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Is It Still a Miata If They Make It Bigger and Drop the Name? Yes.
By Kevin Smith
Date posted: 09-08-2005
The rollout of the new 2006 Mazda MX-5 represents what is nominally the Miata's third generation, but it's actually the first total rework of everyone's darling roadster. And that makes it a high-stakes gamble. Confronting a new-generation Mazda Miata is charming and bubbly, yet at the same time scary and momentous, because so much could go wrong.
Ever since we first saw the Miata's Lotus Elan routine in 1989, the car has stood as a monument to basic driving fun. But light, balanced, responsive cars rarely benefit from the impulse to make them roomier, more comfortable and more civilized as they mature, in pursuit of a broader audience. And even though the Miata does not represent huge sales numbers (its projected 16,000 units a year in the U.S. equals two fair weeks of Camry traffic), it is still Mazda's defining product and a benchmark car for devotees of the driving arts and sciences.
So a lot is riding on how the Miata's new "upgrade" plays out. It is frighteningly important that Mazda not screw up.
Mazda, we can report with real relief, has not screwed up.
It's true the new Mazda Miata parts with tradition in one way: it isn't called the 2006 Mazda Miata at all. For marketing reasons that must have sounded convincing in the meetings, Mazda is going with just MX-5 henceforth. Fine. The world will always call it a Miata.
Remains True to Mission
As Richard Homan reported in our First Drive: 2006 Mazda MX-5, the new car does indeed remain true to the original Miata mission: be a lively, sweetly balanced little roadster with so much feel and reactivity in the controls that no one will even think about straight-line speed, luggage space or interior noise. True, the '06 is longer, wider, heavier and roomier inside than before, and it's packing more motor and more amenities. All of this could have deadened that characteristic Miata feel, but it hasn't. Not significantly, at least.
You know the car is bigger and more refined, but it still changes direction like a roller skate, speaks to you clearly through the steering wheel and driver seat, accelerates adequately with a classic inline-four growl and writes the book on manual-shifter precision, effort and feel. In other words, it nails the fundamentals.
Better Drive
That's not to say the new MX-5 is functionally indistinguishable from any old Miata. Longer-travel suspension (sourced from the RX-8 in back) provides nicely controlled compliance over choppy surfaces where Miatas used to feel harsh while bouncing and flailing about. Also, running vibration is better managed, so day-long 75-mph freeway cruising is notably less fatiguing. All of which makes the MX-5 a better car without making it a less effective Miata.
Sheer thrust has never been a critical ingredient in the Miata brew, but obviously, nothing happens without a little horsepressure. With 170 horsepower from 2.0 liters, the 2006 MX-5 nearly matches the peak output of the previous hotted-up, turbocharged Mazdaspeed 1.8 engine (it made 178 horses), and does so with newfound low-to-medium-rev flexibility. Though hardly a torque monster, the new engine pulls willingly and revs freely. It's a delightful instrument to play, especially in combination with the optional six-speed manual box.
Our test 2006 MX-5 ran zero to 60 mph in 7.5 seconds, clearly quicker than previous normally aspirated Miatas (we got 8.1 seconds from a 2001) and close to the 2004 Mazdaspeed version (6.7 seconds). Quarter-mile numbers line up similarly; the '06 ran 15.3 seconds at 89.4 mph compared to 16.2 at 84.7 for the 2001 model and 15.2 at 90.4 mph for the Mazdaspeed.
Ask it to erase speed and the new MX-5 again delivers. Its 60-0 stopping distance of 116 feet was 5 feet shorter than we recorded in a 2001 Miata. Credit slightly larger disc brake rotors (diameter increased from 270mm to 290mm in front, 276 to 280mm in back) plus a larger vacuum booster, new linkage ratios and more rigidity in the lines and calipers. Response is crisp and pedal feel is excellent. The P205/45R17 tires that come on the Grand Touring package didn't hurt here either.
Weight is the enemy of performance, both having too much and carrying it in the wrong places, and Mazda sweated the details to trim mass wherever possible, shift some weight rearward, and move major masses closer to the center of the car to reduce polar moment of inertia. In theory, that means happier balance and more eager changes of direction, and it was key to retaining Miata-like behavior despite adding 2.6 inches to the wheelbase, 1.6 inches to both length and width, more beef to stiffen the unibody and the bigger engine.
Major changes (such as using aluminum instead of iron for the engine's block and mounting it 5.3 inches farther aft) as well as obsessively small ones (paring 0.19 pound from the rearview mirror) kept the overall weight increase to a claimed 22 pounds. Mazda says the front-to-rear weight distribution is just slightly nose-heavy at the curb, and comes back to 50/50 with two occupants aboard.
More Hospitable
Those passengers will appreciate the more spacious layout inside. Big guys, especially, won't be rubbing elbows all the time now, and they'll find that the tastefully finished and flat-shaped dash seems to be mounted farther away and higher above the deeper, broader footwells. It's simply a bigger car. Still snug, but much more livable.
Tasteful and functional style plus richer finishing (in three choices of trim) make the MX-5 interior nicer as well as more spacious. We especially liked the bright-trimmed gauges in their new binnacle (though the orange markings can disappear through sunglasses, and the tach's redline is not obvious at night) and we welcomed the generous new storage pockets, cubbies, nets and cupholders.
Of course, the Miata's best interior feature has always been the ease with which it opens up. You don't even have to leave your seat, just unlatch the top and toss it back. The MX-5 actually improves on that tradition by using just a single central latch (instead of two) and cleverly folding into the well in a way that presents a finished appearance, almost as if you'd affixed a hard boot over it. And with the top down, turbulence and wind racket are considerably improved by reshaping the header, adding front-quarter window panels in the "V" of the A-pillars and providing a wind blocker behind the seats. All very tidy.
Better Than Ever
This bigger new non-Miata Miata is packaged in sheet metal intended to give it a stronger character and ? though Mazda doesn't care to put it this way ? a less feminine look. Being a chick car has always been a rap on Miatas, and moving beyond that image is likely one rationale for dropping the Miata name. It's certainly one goal of the redesign, with its stronger face, more rakish lines and accentuated fender contours.
At $27,095, our top-of-the-range Grand Touring model crowds closer to the $30,000 mark than a light-hearted roadster maybe should. But the 2006 Mazda MX-5 still strikes us as decent value for the money. Especially since the driving experience's fun quotient was not lost as the car got bigger and nicer. We all survived the scary and momentous part of a new Miata introduction to enjoy the charming and bubbly part.
I'm warming up to the looks, which means this might be the clear winner in the 20K roadster segment.
Will mazda make a stripper like Pontiac?
Honestly, I think it needs a bit more acceleration...
It certainly isn't slow, but a little more pounce wouldn't be a bad thing...
QuoteHonestly, I think it needs a bit more acceleration...
It certainly isn't slow, but a little more pounce wouldn't be a bad thing...
Thats what
Mazdaspeed is for.
Um, did they forget to switch the e-brake position for the U.S. market? <_< Seems kind of awkard on the right, but no big deal, I guess.
edit: nevermind, they probably wanted to keep the window switches closer to the driver.
QuoteUm, did they forget to switch the e-brake position for the U.S. market? <_< Seems kind of awkard on the right, but no big deal, I guess.
edit: nevermind, they probably wanted to keep the window switches closer to the driver.
What they do, they do for their reasons. I like the position of it on my VW, right next to me. BMWs and SLKs have them in the middle, right behind the shifter, if I recall correctly, Jaguars have them on the left side of the driver's seat (as it was pointed out, so do some older Porsches). I think they stick 'em where they fit, honestly.
QuoteUm, did they forget to switch the e-brake position for the U.S. market? <_< Seems kind of awkard on the right, but no big deal, I guess.
edit: nevermind, they probably wanted to keep the window switches closer to the driver.
It does look a little awkard on the right, but you hardly ever look at the interior when your tearin up the twisties ;)
QuoteQuoteUm, did they forget to switch the e-brake position for the U.S. market? <_< Seems kind of awkard on the right, but no big deal, I guess.
edit: nevermind, they probably wanted to keep the window switches closer to the driver.
What they do, they do for their reasons. I like the position of it on my VW, right next to me. BMWs and SLKs have them in the middle, right behind the shifter, if I recall correctly, Jaguars have them on the left side of the driver's seat (as it was pointed out, so do some older Porsches). I think they stick 'em where they fit, honestly.
Beamers still have them on the left, I believe.
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I must have been thinking of the Z4 and Z8 only then.
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QuoteWill mazda make a stripper like Pontiac?
It's called the Club Spec Edition and is the model they're referring to when they say "starting at $20,500". No AC, 5MT instead of a 6MT, no cruise control, no power locks (though it has power windows). It's about $1000 cheaper than the "base" trim. It is also about 50 lbs lighter than any of the other trims.
Just took a look--the Solstice has it to the right of the shifter as well.
QuoteQuoteWill mazda make a stripper like Pontiac?
It's called the Club Spec Edition and is the model they're referring to when they say "starting at $20,500". No AC, 5MT instead of a 6MT, no cruise control, no power locks (though it has power windows). It's about $1000 cheaper than the "base" trim. It is also about 50 lbs lighter than any of the other trims.
Oh, i see. That's nice. So when they say it gained only 22 pounds, is that the Club spec edition?
QuoteQuoteWill mazda make a stripper like Pontiac?
It's called the Club Spec Edition and is the model they're referring to when they say "starting at $20,500". No AC, 5MT instead of a 6MT, no cruise control, no power locks (though it has power windows). It's about $1000 cheaper than the "base" trim. It is also about 50 lbs lighter than any of the other trims.
That would certainly make a good Autocross car.
QuoteQuoteWill mazda make a stripper like Pontiac?
It's called the Club Spec Edition and is the model they're referring to when they say "starting at $20,500". No AC, 5MT instead of a 6MT, no cruise control, no power locks (though it has power windows). It's about $1000 cheaper than the "base" trim. It is also about 50 lbs lighter than any of the other trims.
So taking out an air conditioner along with some other smaller stuff only saves 50 lbs?
QuoteQuoteQuoteWill mazda make a stripper like Pontiac?
It's called the Club Spec Edition and is the model they're referring to when they say "starting at $20,500". No AC, 5MT instead of a 6MT, no cruise control, no power locks (though it has power windows). It's about $1000 cheaper than the "base" trim. It is also about 50 lbs lighter than any of the other trims.
So taking out an air conditioner along with some other smaller stuff only saves 50 lbs?
The AC system in a small car like the Miata wouldn't be particularly heavy.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWill mazda make a stripper like Pontiac?
It's called the Club Spec Edition and is the model they're referring to when they say "starting at $20,500". No AC, 5MT instead of a 6MT, no cruise control, no power locks (though it has power windows). It's about $1000 cheaper than the "base" trim. It is also about 50 lbs lighter than any of the other trims.
So taking out an air conditioner along with some other smaller stuff only saves 50 lbs?
The AC system in a small car like the Miata wouldn't be particularly heavy.
I see :)
The Subaru's handbrake is also on the right.
I really like the BMW's handbrakes.
QuoteI really like the BMW's handbrakes.
why
QuoteQuoteI really like the BMW's handbrakes.
why
they look nice and symettrical behind the shifter.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI really like the BMW's handbrakes.
why
they look nice and symettrical behind the shifter.
I concer :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI really like the BMW's handbrakes.
why
they look nice and symettrical behind the shifter.
I concer :praise:
concur. ;)
QuoteThe Subaru's handbrake is also on the right.
My Mazda's handbrake is on the right of the shifter. My old Nissan's was to the left of the shifter. I find it makes no difference in ease of use. I'm one of those who will, on occasion, use the handbrake when taking off on an incline to hold the car in place and don't find either position more or less comfortable when it comes to using the handbrake.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI really like the BMW's handbrakes.
why
they look nice and symettrical behind the shifter.
I concer :praise:
concur. ;)
I was close, ;)
QuoteQuoteThe Subaru's handbrake is also on the right.
My Mazda's handbrake is on the right of the shifter. My old Nissan's was to the left of the shifter. I find it makes no difference in ease of use. I'm one of those who will, on occasion, use the handbrake when taking off on an incline to hold the car in place and don't find either position more or less comfortable when it comes to using the handbrake.
Me too
Especially since people like to sit an inch away from my bumper :rolleyes:
Tonight I attempted to use the regular brakes when starting on an incline, it didn't work very well.
QuoteTonight I attempted to use the regular brakes when starting on an incline, it didn't work very well.
It's quite a bit trickier than using the handbrake, that's for sure.
yeah, but I imagine once you get it figured out it requires a lot less effort.
QuoteQuoteTonight I attempted to use the regular brakes when starting on an incline, it didn't work very well.
It's quite a bit trickier than using the handbrake, that's for sure.
Yea, with teh e brake you can leave it one until the very last second when you want to move.....
You can do the same with the foot brake, you just have to use your heel for the brake and your toes for the gas, I pulled it off successfully the first time, but after that I couldn't get quite right after that.
QuoteYou can do the same with the foot brake, you just have to use your heel for the brake and your toes for the gas, I pulled it off successfully the first time, but after that I couldn't get quite right after that.
Yea, but in our mustang the brake is alot higher than the gas (or the other way around) so it is almost impossible to heel-toe that car
I wanna try driving a stick in SF. :o
QuoteTonight I attempted to use the regular brakes when starting on an incline, it didn't work very well.
How big are your feet? I find that mine are large enough to use the both to press down all three pedals efficiently (in some cars, I can push in all three with one foot). That helps. Also, if you are used to the stick, you can just bring it up to the point where it catches and bring your revs up very slowly, and release the brake and hold the car by the clutch alone. I hear it's not great for the clutch and what not, but if you don't do it too much, I can't imagine it doing too much damage.
Why would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my left foot for the clutch and my right foot for the gas and brake,
QuoteWhy would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my right foot for the clutch and my left foot for the gas and brake,
:blink:
QuoteQuoteWhy would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my right foot for the clutch and my left foot for the gas and brake,
:blink:
What can I say, I am a little eccentric ;) :lol:
Actually, as you probably figured, that was just a typo. I am about to fix it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my right foot for the clutch and my left foot for the gas and brake,
:blink:
What can I say, I am a little eccentric ;) :lol:
Actually, as you probably figured, that was just a typo. I am about to fix it.
:lol: :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my right foot for the clutch and my left foot for the gas and brake,
:blink:
What can I say, I am a little eccentric ;) :lol:
Actually, as you probably figured, that was just a typo. I am about to fix it.
Yeah, I figured it was either a typo or you had some weird car with backwards controls or you're really talented.
#3 of course :lol:
Quote#3 of course :lol:
you wish. :rolleyes:
;) :lol:
Bet I'm better with a manual than you are :praise:
QuoteBet I'm better with a manual than you are :praise:
Yeah. :(
My mom doesn't want a manual tranny car. :angry: <_<
Which probably means she doesn't know how to drive one?
QuoteWhich probably means she doesn't know how to drive one?
Yeah... My dad tried to teach her but she wouldn't learn...
It isn't that hard to learn good enough to get by in an emergency.
QuoteIt isn't that hard to learn good enough to get by in an emergency.
For some reason she said it's too hard, so we're stuck with autos. And i asked my dad if i could get a manual tranny car, and he said yes, but he said that he'd also steal it to take it to work... <_<
QuoteQuoteIt isn't that hard to learn good enough to get by in an emergency.
For some reason she said it's too hard, so we're stuck with autos. And i asked my dad if i could get a manual tranny car, and he said yes, but he said that he'd also steal it to take it to work... <_<
Tell her if an 11 year old kid who can barely get the clutch all the way in can drive a stick then surely she can do it..BTW i really did learn stick at 11, and i was a natural at it :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt isn't that hard to learn good enough to get by in an emergency.
For some reason she said it's too hard, so we're stuck with autos. And i asked my dad if i could get a manual tranny car, and he said yes, but he said that he'd also steal it to take it to work... <_<
Tell her if an 11 year old kid who can barely get the clutch all the way in can drive a stick then surely she can do it..BTW i really did learn stick at 11, and i was a natural at it :praise:
LUCKY!
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt isn't that hard to learn good enough to get by in an emergency.
For some reason she said it's too hard, so we're stuck with autos. And i asked my dad if i could get a manual tranny car, and he said yes, but he said that he'd also steal it to take it to work... <_<
Tell her if an 11 year old kid who can barely get the clutch all the way in can drive a stick then surely she can do it..BTW i really did learn stick at 11, and i was a natural at it :praise:
LUCKY!
I learned in our old 97 jeep 4 banger, and i would drive it around our 10 acre hay field until i was really good :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt isn't that hard to learn good enough to get by in an emergency.
For some reason she said it's too hard, so we're stuck with autos. And i asked my dad if i could get a manual tranny car, and he said yes, but he said that he'd also steal it to take it to work... <_<
Tell her if an 11 year old kid who can barely get the clutch all the way in can drive a stick then surely she can do it..BTW i really did learn stick at 11, and i was a natural at it :praise:
I was 10 when I learned the art of the clutch, so right about the same age. Although I learned manual transmission basics on dirtbikes and 4-wheelers and then later transfered it to cars and other vehicles with the 3-pedal control setup (vs hand controlled clutch and throttle with a foot shifter like a bike or quad).
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt isn't that hard to learn good enough to get by in an emergency.
For some reason she said it's too hard, so we're stuck with autos. And i asked my dad if i could get a manual tranny car, and he said yes, but he said that he'd also steal it to take it to work... <_<
Tell her if an 11 year old kid who can barely get the clutch all the way in can drive a stick then surely she can do it..BTW i really did learn stick at 11, and i was a natural at it :praise:
LUCKY!
I learned in our old 97 jeep 4 banger, and i would drive it around our 10 acre hay field until i was really good :praise:
I wish i lived on a farm thingy. i could drive all i want in the wide open.
QuoteWhy would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my left foot for the clutch and my right foot for the gas and brake,
It's not that I'd want to, but I could. I've got massive clown feet (not massive, but they're big).
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt isn't that hard to learn good enough to get by in an emergency.
For some reason she said it's too hard, so we're stuck with autos. And i asked my dad if i could get a manual tranny car, and he said yes, but he said that he'd also steal it to take it to work... <_<
Tell her if an 11 year old kid who can barely get the clutch all the way in can drive a stick then surely she can do it..BTW i really did learn stick at 11, and i was a natural at it :praise:
I was 10 when I learned the art of the clutch, so right about the same age. Although I learned manual transmission basics on dirtbikes and 4-wheelers and then later transfered it to cars and other vehicles with the 3-pedal control setup (vs hand controlled clutch and throttle with a foot shifter like a bike or quad).
I really wasnt tall enough to actually try it in the jeep at 10, i had, however, been watching my father and my brother drive stick for a few years, so when it came time i just hopped in and took off on the first try. B)
QuoteQuoteWhy would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my left foot for the clutch and my right foot for the gas and brake,
It's not that I'd want to, but I could. I've got massive clown feet (not massive, but they're big).
What's your shoe size?
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my left foot for the clutch and my right foot for the gas and brake,
It's not that I'd want to, but I could. I've got massive clown feet (not massive, but they're big).
What's your shoe size?
13. Not super huge, but if I go any bigger I have to start special ordering my shoes.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my left foot for the clutch and my right foot for the gas and brake,
It's not that I'd want to, but I could. I've got massive clown feet (not massive, but they're big).
What's your shoe size?
13. Not super huge, but if I go any bigger I have to start special ordering my shoes.
I've got 14's. :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my left foot for the clutch and my right foot for the gas and brake,
It's not that I'd want to, but I could. I've got massive clown feet (not massive, but they're big).
What's your shoe size?
13. Not super huge, but if I go any bigger I have to start special ordering my shoes.
I've got 14's. :praise:
And still growing. :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my left foot for the clutch and my right foot for the gas and brake,
It's not that I'd want to, but I could. I've got massive clown feet (not massive, but they're big).
What's your shoe size?
13. Not super huge, but if I go any bigger I have to start special ordering my shoes.
I've got 14's. :praise:
Good luck in small cars.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would you try to hold all 3 pedals with one foot? I used my left foot for the clutch and my right foot for the gas and brake,
It's not that I'd want to, but I could. I've got massive clown feet (not massive, but they're big).
What's your shoe size?
13. Not super huge, but if I go any bigger I have to start special ordering my shoes.
I've got 14's. :praise:
Good luck in small cars.
Yeah... I guess i'll have to drive shoeless...
You know what they say about big fe...well...nevermind. :lol:
I'm always surprised when I hear people say they can't drive stick or know someone that can't. Its really easy...just takes a small bit of practise. Everyone in my family can drive a stick (even though only two of us actually have our cars with manuals).
But compared to something like ice-skating or roller-blading driving a stick is a no-brainer.
QuoteI'm always surprised when I hear people say they can't drive stick or know someone that can't. Its really easy...just takes a small bit of practise. Everyone in my family can drive a stick (even though only two of us actually have our cars with manuals).
But compared to something like ice-skating or roller-blading driving a stick is a no-brainer.
A lot of it depends on when you were born, I think. For instance, I don't think I've met someone from the baby boomer generation or older who doesn't know how to drive a manual transmission. They all, at least at some point in their lives, know how to drive a stick. However, by the 1980s, the automatic gearbox was really the new "standard" transmission and a lot of people just stopped learning how to drive stick and most driver's education classes stopped bothering to teach it. When I took driver's ed in the late 90s, the extent of manual transmission instruction consisted of part of a class period using the manual mode in the simulators. There was no hands on manual driving (and the sims were pretty bad at simulating a stick shift). If somebody went into that class not knowing how to drive a stick, they certainly didn't walk out with the know-how to jump in a manual equipped vehicle and drive off.
QuoteI'm always surprised when I hear people say they can't drive stick or know someone that can't. Its really easy...just takes a small bit of practise. Everyone in my family can drive a stick (even though only two of us actually have our cars with manuals).
But compared to something like ice-skating or roller-blading driving a stick is a no-brainer.
People who can't drive a stick either don't want to learn how or don't have the opportunity to learn.