The new Supra

Started by Payman, September 07, 2016, 08:34:16 AM

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If Toyota brought that Supra back, just with Apple car play and Bluetooth, people would flock to it.


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12,000 RPM

Im pretty sure you can get a Corolla with Apple Carplay and BT. That's the ground floor, not a competitive advantage.

My dream for this would be a mild hybrid + high revving V6 with either a 7MT or DCT at less than 3500lbs. Even then though that package sounds a lot better as a Lexus IS. Prob won't cost much more either.
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Quote from: MrH on September 20, 2016, 10:28:10 PM
A 340i with parts will definitely provide day to day headaches :lol:

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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 21, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
Im pretty sure you can get a Corolla with Apple Carplay and BT. That's the ground floor, not a competitive advantage.

My dream for this would be a mild hybrid + high revving V6 with either a 7MT or DCT at less than 3500lbs. Even then though that package sounds a lot better as a Lexus IS. Prob won't cost much more either.

Mild hybrid?

Dream bigger, man.
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MX793

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 21, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
Im pretty sure you can get a Corolla with Apple Carplay and BT. That's the ground floor, not a competitive advantage.

My dream for this would be a mild hybrid + high revving V6 with either a 7MT or DCT at less than 3500lbs. Even then though that package sounds a lot better as a Lexus IS. Prob won't cost much more either.

Toyota doesn't do mild hybrid.  If they go hybrid, we'll end up with the drivetrain out of that new Lexus GT car that's basically the engine and CVT out of an RX hybrid with a 4AT bolted to the output to make it feel like it has fixed ratios.
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Rich

https://jalopnik.com/the-toyota-supra-debut-is-going-to-be-in-a-camouflaged-1827445584

Welcome to the next Demon unveil.  Yet the Dodge's wasn't this prolonged either.
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MX793

Quote from: Rich on July 09, 2018, 12:20:32 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/heres-the-new-toyota-supra-as-a-nascar-racer

A terrible looking road car makes a terrible looking racecar.

NASCAR is basically a spec series.  They all run the same body shapes.  Take the decals off and it's impossible to tell a Camry from a Mustang or Camaro, and none of them really look like their production counterparts.  Wouldn't let the stock car version affect my opinion of the street car.
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giant_mtb

Yeah I was gonna say...I thought all NASCARs were basically identical.

Rich

Quote from: MX793 on July 09, 2018, 01:40:34 PM
  Take the decals off and it's impossible to tell a Camry from a Mustang or Camaro

Yeah you can
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Payman

https://driving.ca/toyota/auto-news/news/2020-supra-leaked-in-full-by-toyota-germany

It looks better now that we see it with the camo off, especially the rear 3/4 view.

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MX793

Expensive, mediocre power, and slushy-only.  Hard pass.  BMW or MB might be able to ask 60K for a car like this, but Toyota probably should have broken out the L badge for this one.
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FoMoJo

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on September 07, 2016, 06:01:36 PM
Look at the link I posted! Even Ray Charles could see it's a FRS in disguise!
With a BMW engine?

I admit, it doe's absolutely nothing for me.
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12,000 RPM

Looks..... lumpy.

I'm trying to make the case for this in my head but I can't. GT350 costs less and does more. RC-F costs the same but will have better dealership experience, and has a God-fearing rip snorting naturally aspirated V8. OK both are bigger, but I doubt this or the Z4 will outhandle the GT350. Boxster/Cayman sound like ass but will probably run circles around this thing and are available with 3 pedals. Does Alfa still make the 4C?

It bums me out because cars like this have to be phenomenal to justify their existence. The dynamic/fun baseline set by hatchbacks and sedans is super high.
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Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: FoMoJo on December 29, 2018, 09:52:13 AM
With a BMW engine?

I admit, it doe's absolutely nothing for me.
Ditto! This car should be a rip snortin Corvette competitor!
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Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 29, 2018, 09:53:14 AM
Looks..... lumpy.

I'm trying to make the case for this in my head but I can't. GT350 costs less and does more. RC-F costs the same but will have better dealership experience, and has a God-fearing rip snorting naturally aspirated V8. OK both are bigger, but I doubt this or the Z4 will outhandle the GT350. Boxster/Cayman sound like ass but will probably run circles around this thing and are available with 3 pedals. Does Alfa still make the 4C?

It bums me out because cars like this have to be phenomenal to justify their existence. The dynamic/fun baseline set by hatchbacks and sedans is super high.
We thought this car was gonna be 40K but it's coming in at 60K!!!!! No way I'd spend that type of coin on it when there's all the cars you mention AND Corvettes and Camaros (Even V6 versions) that have more power and handling to rival cars costing twice as much! SMH!
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cawimmer430

Looks less offensive than the concept.

Pretty expensive for a Toyota. Must be the BMW engine that drives up the price.  :lol:
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FoMoJo

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on December 29, 2018, 10:02:47 AM
We thought this car was gonna be 40K but it's coming in at 60K!!!!! No way I'd spend that type of coin on it when there's all the cars you mention AND Corvettes and Camaros (Even V6 versions) that have more power and handling to rival cars costing twice as much! SMH!
C'mon man, you can say it, GT350 :lol:.
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giant_mtb

As far as bitching about the price...you'd have paid ~40k for a Supra in the year 2000, which is about the same as 60k today... :huh:

Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: giant_mtb on December 29, 2018, 11:45:24 AM
As far as bitching about the price...you'd have paid ~40k for a Supra in the year 2000, which is about the same as 60k today... :huh:
And that car had 320hp! Roughly the same as my 1999 Z28 and 25 less than a C5 Vette. This new one cost C7 Money with only 335hp while the C7 and current (waaay cheaper) Camaro have 460hp!  :nutty:

Quote from: FoMoJo on December 29, 2018, 11:02:00 AM
C'mon man, you can say it, GT350 :lol:.
:lol:  :cheers:
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MX793

Quote from: giant_mtb on December 29, 2018, 11:45:24 AM
As far as bitching about the price...you'd have paid ~40k for a Supra in the year 2000, which is about the same as 60k today... :huh:

They discontinued the last Supra in '98 (or at least they stopped selling it in America).  '98 was the 6th model year, so it was an old model by then, as well.  Also, Toyota drastically slashed prices in the last few years as the car was considered overpriced back then.  Back in the early/mid-90s when it came out, ~320 hp was a big deal.  That was Corvette territory and more than the pony cars (Mustang GT and F bodies).  Today, ~320 hp is about what the 4 or 6 cylinder base pony cars make.  The V8s are well into the 400s.  As is the Corvette.  At only ~330 hp, at $60K, this thing had better be a featherweight.  I'm of the mind that Toyota doesn't know how to make a lightweight street car anymore (Lexus RC somehow weighs over 2 tons?!) and BMWs tend to be pretty portly as well.  So I think what we're going to end up with here is an expensive, under-powered, overweight personal luxury coupe that will flop spectacularly.
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2o6

It's not a 2+2 either???

giant_mtb

Quote from: MX793 on December 29, 2018, 03:44:38 PM
They discontinued the last Supra in '98 (or at least they stopped selling it in America).  '98 was the 6th model year, so it was an old model by then, as well.  Also, Toyota drastically slashed prices in the last few years as the car was considered overpriced back then.  Back in the early/mid-90s when it came out, ~320 hp was a big deal.  That was Corvette territory and more than the pony cars (Mustang GT and F bodies).  Today, ~320 hp is about what the 4 or 6 cylinder base pony cars make.  The V8s are well into the 400s.  As is the Corvette.  At only ~330 hp, at $60K, this thing had better be a featherweight.  I'm of the mind that Toyota doesn't know how to make a lightweight street car anymore (Lexus RC somehow weighs over 2 tons?!) and BMWs tend to be pretty portly as well.  So I think what we're going to end up with here is an expensive, under-powered, overweight personal luxury coupe that will flop spectacularly.

That's fair.

12,000 RPM

Toyota already had the blueprint for the Supra....

Take FR-S....

Put 6 cylinder in it. Subaru H6, Camry V6, any 6 cylinder. Add turbos for top trim. Fin

What a disaster.
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It needs coilovers ... and some Koni shocks would save about two pounds and give it for better traction for the hole shot. I should probably be going to MIT or something.
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Quote from: MX793 on December 29, 2018, 03:44:38 PM
They discontinued the last Supra in '98 (or at least they stopped selling it in America).  '98 was the 6th model year, so it was an old model by then, as well.  Also, Toyota drastically slashed prices in the last few years as the car was considered overpriced back then.  Back in the early/mid-90s when it came out, ~320 hp was a big deal.  That was Corvette territory and more than the pony cars (Mustang GT and F bodies).  Today, ~320 hp is about what the 4 or 6 cylinder base pony cars make.  The V8s are well into the 400s.  As is the Corvette.  At only ~330 hp, at $60K, this thing had better be a featherweight.  I'm of the mind that Toyota doesn't know how to make a lightweight street car anymore (Lexus RC somehow weighs over 2 tons?!) and BMWs tend to be pretty portly as well.  So I think what we're going to end up with here is an expensive, under-powered, overweight personal luxury coupe that will flop spectacularly.

The 4th gen Supra was a bit of an anomaly - this new Supra is in the spirit of the previous generations, particularly 1 and 2.

Lexus RC (and LC500) are luxo GTs, which are by definition heavy.

I'm pretty sure Toyota knows that "sports cars" have long since fallen out of favor. I suspect this is just a halo Hail Mary a la LF-A - sales results I'm guess likely irrelevant.

The German motor is what totally kills it for me.