Should be picking something up on Monday. Any guesses?
2014 Versa?
Something that begins with the letter M? Maybe C.
ATS-V.... or Mazda 6
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 10, 2019, 06:16:48 AM
2014 Versa?
Oh man I wish. Pinnacle of engineering right there. No finer automobile.
Hint: I think it's about a second quicker 0-60 than the El Camino
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 10, 2019, 07:41:17 AM
Hint: I think it's about a second quicker 0-60 than the El Camino
So, Hyundai Accent :ohyeah:.
Beast-6 Camry... I mean V6
A guessing game?
Doge Dakota.
Quote from: r0tor on August 10, 2019, 10:03:47 AM
Beast-6 Camry... I mean V6
No, but it is a car that I think Cougs approves of, just like he would probably approve of a Camry V6. Both are better than more expensive luxury-badged cars.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 10, 2019, 11:33:20 AM
No, but it is a car that I think Cougs approves of, just like he would probably approve of a Camry V6. Both are better than more expensive luxury-badged cars.
Does it have pooprods?
Honda Accord
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 10, 2019, 11:33:20 AM
No, but it is a car that I think Cougs approves of, just like he would probably approve of a Camry V6. Both are better than more expensive luxury-badged cars.
I think the Camry V6 is the ONLY mainstreamer he approves of, as everything else is turbo
Did you foresake the atmospheric induction gods? :nono:
Is it New New, or just New to ewe?
Slightly used
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 10, 2019, 12:21:26 PM
Slightly used
So you're saying it's a Chevy Trailblazer SS.
Hell yeah, turbo Accord. Great choice man. I'm a huge fan
Quote from: CALL_911 on August 10, 2019, 01:02:34 PM
Hell yeah, turbo Accord. Great choice man. I'm a huge fan
Did he announce it somewhere else?
1974 Dodge Monaco Brougham :praise:
Quote from: CALL_911 on August 10, 2019, 01:02:34 PM
Hell yeah, turbo Accord. Great choice man. I'm a huge fan
Cougs would never approve of that.
He'd be neutral. He loves Accords, but thinks that F/I is a statist conspiracy.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 10, 2019, 11:46:39 AM
Did you foresake the atmospheric induction gods? :nono:
Kinda. But kinda not?
Hybrid? Cougs doesn't like hybrids either.
Did you get a Volt/Bolt...whatever it's called?
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 10, 2019, 04:21:20 PM
Hybrid? Cougs doesn't like hybrids either.
Did you get a Volt/Bolt...whatever it's called?
Maybe it's a train?
Enough vaguebooking, time for more details.
I hope you bought a new Silverado. The only real choice. :ohyeah:
Quote from: Laconian on August 10, 2019, 05:57:35 PM
Enough vaguebooking, time for more details.
FoMoJo is on the money
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 10, 2019, 06:19:51 PM
What do I win? :mask:
I'll give you a ride in the car.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 10, 2019, 06:21:37 PM
I'll give you a ride in the car.
I'll send you my address.
Bring the El Camino, and I'll want to drive it. :ohyeah:
Does it take AA or AAA batteries?
Quote from: r0tor on August 10, 2019, 07:10:33 PM
Does it take AA or AAA batteries?
8.9 trillion CR2032 batteries.
Bolt or Volt?
Bolt!
Teslas drool, Bolts rule!
Isn't there a Spark EV, or is that the Bolt? I don't know things.
There's a Spark EV but it has a way shorter range and isn't on the same level.
Oh sweet! Bolts are awesome :rockon:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 10, 2019, 07:49:46 PM
There's a Spark EV but it has a way shorter range and isn't on the same level.
It's like the Chevrolet equivalent of the Soul EV, or the FIAT 500e. Nasty Leaf-wannabes.
So, Bolt is 266 torks @ 0 RPM, and a 238 mile range. This is much at nothing and far.
Much torks. Throws you back in the seat at WOT. My Mazda is gonna feel so slow now since it has to compete with the El Camino and Bolt
Bolt is fast doge
(https://i.postimg.cc/9ML8Z9Cz/4341880819-c852eb291e-b.jpg)
Congrats man, interesting choice.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 10, 2019, 08:27:00 PM
Much torks. Throws you back in the seat at WOT. My Mazda is gonna feel so slow now since it has to compete with the El Camino and Bolt
WOR (Wide Open Rheostat)
I didn't know you were in the market for a car.
Cougs-silence... unable to articulate his level of devastation.
But seriously congrats man. Lots of Bolts & Volts & Tessies & Prii adorn the employee parking lot where I work. Thoughtful & enlightened engineering chappies.
Congrats, but...
:ttiuwop:
Whoa, en EV!? Bring spare batteries along. :devil: :tounge:
Congrats! We wanna see pics! :cheers:
Tomorrow. I'm on the other side of the country today :lol:
Woah, cool! I really like the bolt. Need details on the deal too. How used and how much?
CR-V
Civic
Viper
Gallardo
Pagani Whoarya?
Dodge Caliber SRT
Reliant Robin
Fucko Magucko
Nissan Sentra
Hyundai Entourage
Chrysler Town & Country
Chrysler Pacifica
DeTomaso Pantera
:wtf:
BMW 507
Mitsubishi Diamante
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 11, 2019, 09:49:52 AM
YES.
My nana has a Regal Presidential edition with the SERIES II 3800. She's legally blind and can't drive anymore. REGAL has 68,000 miles on it. Camino could buy that. Or Nick.
Dude those 3800s are gems. Torquey, smooth, and great highway mileage.
Quote from: Submariner on August 11, 2019, 09:56:17 AM
My nana has a Regal Presidential edition with the SERIES II 3800. She's legally blind and can't drive anymore. REGAL has 68,000 miles on it. Camino could buy that. Or Nick.
Oh man, I don't know if I can even afford such a high end luxury car.
Quote from: Submariner on August 11, 2019, 09:56:17 AM
My nana has a Regal Presidential edition with the SERIES II 3800. She's legally blind and can't drive anymore. REGAL has 68,000 miles on it. Camino could buy that. Or Nick.
In my dreams
I see Raza was drunk last night.
I mean this morning. Time stamps are hard.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 11, 2019, 11:32:38 AM
I mean this morning. Time stamps are hard.
He asked for guesses. I guessed.
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 11, 2019, 10:37:42 AM
Dude those 3800s are gems. Torquey, smooth, and great highway mileage.
Agreed - anyone looking for a used 'Murican barge could do worse than a LaCrosse with the 3800
Great choice in car. Do you have free charging at work?
Quote from: NomisR on August 12, 2019, 09:56:10 AM
Great choice in car. Do you have free charging at work?
Yup. That's how it made sense, since I'm still in an apartment and the landlord didn't want me to charge there since the only outlets outside would be billed to the owner not us. But I can charge once a week at work and be good to go. And the local library has a free level 2 public charger and is only a couple blocks away (easy walking/longboarding distance) in case I need to charge over the weekend.
Next year we'll probably move to a house or townhouse with a garage and be able to charge at home too.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 12, 2019, 11:00:54 AM
Yup. That's how it made sense, since I'm still in an apartment and the landlord didn't want me to charge there since the only outlets outside would be billed to the owner not us. But I can charge once a week at work and be good to go. And the local library has a free level 2 public charger and is only a couple blocks away (easy walking/longboarding distance) in case I need to charge over the weekend.
Next year we'll probably move to a house or townhouse with a garage and be able to charge at home too.
Good idea. My main justification for the Bolt as well. With my Volt, I would still have to charge at home, but the Bolt, I only need to charge every day at work. I don't need to but just because I can. I have forgotten a couple days in a row but was still to get to work without charging.
There are 4 charging cables at my office and probably 6-7 cars that are using them now. But people seem to be getting good at moving their car once it's charged, so if you don't get there early enough to grab a charger in the morning there's usually spots open around lunch time.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 12, 2019, 12:08:48 PM
There are 4 charging cables at my office and probably 6-7 cars that are using them now. But people seem to be getting good at moving their car once it's charged, so if you don't get there early enough to grab a charger in the morning there's usually spots open around lunch time.
That is pretty handy. Basically like free gas. :lol:
Just get a roof rack and mount a couple of 4x8 sheets of plywood on top. Cover them with the most expensive and fancy solar panels. Perpetual motion.
Welcome to the club!
We drove our Bolt 420 kms today.
Quote from: mzziaz on August 12, 2019, 12:35:08 PM
Welcome to the club!
We drove our Bolt 420 kms today.
Wait, so that makes a total of three Bolts on CarSPIN?
Is the Bolt the most commonly owned car model on CarSPIN...? :hmm:
Quote from: SJ_GTI on August 12, 2019, 01:10:54 PM
Wait, so that makes a total of three Bolts on CarSPIN?
Is the Bolt the most commonly owned car model on CarSPIN...? :hmm:
Huh? Who has all these Bolts?
Apparently NomisR, mzziaz, and CaminoRacer.
(https://i.imgur.com/e0ZJqFd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6wBYJJa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rvUrADl.jpg)
Wanna race? I'll drive the Road.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on August 12, 2019, 01:10:54 PM
Wait, so that makes a total of three Bolts on CarSPIN?
Is the Bolt the most commonly owned car model on CarSPIN...? :hmm:
I thought it's the Miata?
Nice colour :ohyeah:.
Quote from: MrH on August 11, 2019, 09:14:32 AM
Woah, cool! I really like the bolt. Need details on the deal too. How used and how much?
77k miles, $18.5k
Mileage is a bit high but the battery doesn't seem to have degraded at all. The car is in fantastic shape.
BWTO*
*Pending charging network buildout
Looks good!
NICE.......
Whenever I see a Bolt, I think of the 12,000 RPM quote "battleclad dodge ball". I find that description so funny :lol:
I like it (your Bolt). I should consider a used/certified Bolt. I'd love one as another car but insurance plus Connecticut vehicle tax makes owning another car not a good option. I'd have to get rid of my Crosstrek which I still have about 15 months left till I own it from the bank.
Quote from: veeman on August 13, 2019, 01:16:58 PM
Whenever I see a Bolt, I think of the 12,000 RPM quote "battleclad dodge ball". I find that description so funny :lol:
WTF, when did I say that :wtf: That was funny :lol:
I am still hoping for some more stylish EVs
I think the front end is sexy but the rear is a bit meh
Here's a fun thing to do: go to autozone.com and "add a vehicle". 2017 Chevy Bolt. Look at the "engine options" it gives you.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 13, 2019, 08:21:28 PM
Here's a fun thing to do: go to autozone.com and "add a vehicle". 2017 Chevy Bolt. Look at the "engine options" it gives you.
15, eh?
Nice! I like the color.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 13, 2019, 07:22:02 PM
WTF, when did I say that :wtf: That was funny :lol:
I am still hoping for some more stylish EVs
General Automotive / Re: EVs
« by 12,000 RPM on November 08, 2018, 05:24:09 am »
...... from the Kona and Bolt if you like battle clad dodgeballs). And hybrids are getting to where the ......
also this one:
Using Tesla as an example of any auto business norm is fallacious. I agree with Soup... people will pay good money for EVs if they are convinced. The problem, as I hate to admit, is as r0tor said- most mainstream EV offerings look like dodgeballs you want to kick into the outfield. An EV from a mainstream manufacturer with the presence of a Model S (and none of Tesla's BS) would do very well. Especially at a decent price point.
I like how it looks, in a battle clad dodgeball way :lol:
Looks sharp! :ohyeah:
Also, rare Fiat 500e charging next to it!
Yeah I like how the Bolt looks, though obviously I like hatches in general.
If the Bolt was AWD it would probably be closest to my ideal electric car (currently on the market).
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 14, 2019, 03:13:13 AM
Looks sharp! :ohyeah:
Also, rare Fiat 500e charging next to it!
There used to be around 10 Fiat 500e in our parking lot. Most of those I believe have transitioned to a Bolt after their lease expired though.
500e drivers are seldom happy about their cars. Huge zpOSes.
Quote from: NomisR on August 14, 2019, 10:12:34 AM
There used to be around 10 Fiat 500e in our parking lot. Most of those I believe have transitioned to a Bolt after their lease expired though.
I can imagine. Supposedly they had very bad range. Fine for the city, terrible for a short hop out of the city.
Yeah, the Bolt and Teslas are the ones that are actually usable as normal cars. Most other EVs are only OK and you need to charge every day.
I was originally looking at 2nd Gen Volts but the back seat headroom was pretty tight and I think the Bolts will be far more reliable due to their simplicity, while Volts are the opposite of simple. Since I'm keeping the Mazda 6, we do have another car to take longer trips in. And we can always rent a car for a roadtrip if we want.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 14, 2019, 12:11:45 PM
I was originally looking at 2nd Gen Volts but the back seat headroom was pretty tight and I think the Bolts will be far more reliable due to their simplicity, while Volts are the opposite of simple. Since I'm keeping the Mazda 6, we do have another car to take longer trips in. And we can always rent a car for a roadtrip if we want.
Volts are a good compromise if you have no means to charge. Bolt in reality is a hot hatch though. It handles really nicely for what it is too.
Here's my list of mods/improvements:
- had to buy another pair of sunglasses to keep in the car. I've bought the same pair like 4 times from Amazon and have 1 in each car. :lol:
- sun shade from Walmart
- Weather tech cut to fit floor mats (1/3 the cost of custom fit weather techs)
- another key/remote
- false floor (Standard on Premieres but not on my LT. Costs about $130 for the parts)
- window tint. I'm thinking 40-50%, maybe ceramic?
I already put a stick on the back window. I can take a pic of it later.
Same color as ours. We've done 70k kms on it. No problems what so ever
I don't think high milage will be problematic. EV batteries so far has held up really well, and drivetrains are really simple.
Quote from: mzziaz on August 14, 2019, 01:30:53 PM
I don't think high milage will be problematic. EV batteries so far has held up really well, and drivetrains are really simple.
Yeah, the batteries are the only thing I'm even remotely worried about, and at 75k miles it's showing no signs of degradation. (btw I lied, it had 74,680 miles on it when I drove off the lot, not 77k)
I don't even touch the brakes since I drive in L. Maybe once a week I should drive in D to clean the brakes off.
Quote from: mzziaz on August 14, 2019, 01:30:53 PM
I don't think high milage will be problematic. EV batteries so far has held up really well, and drivetrains are really simple.
Longer range EVs have much better life b/c you're not frequently dipping into the battery's reserves. Li-ion batteries hate that shit.
Quote from: mzziaz on August 14, 2019, 01:30:53 PM
I don't think high milage will be problematic. EV batteries so far has held up really well, and drivetrains are really simple.
What kind of service/maintenance is needed and at what intervals?
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 14, 2019, 02:02:48 PM
What kind of service/maintenance is needed and at what intervals?
That alone pushes me to get an EV. I'm assuming all you need to do for the first 100,000 miles is tires? I don't know though.
Quote from: Laconian on August 14, 2019, 02:01:26 PM
Longer range EVs have much better life b/c you're not frequently dipping into the battery's reserves. Li-ion batteries hate that shit.
My coworker who is an electrical engineer and owns a second generation Volt says that Chevy designed it to only charge the battery to 80% of capacity and to not let the battery dip below 20% of capacity. He says that the majority of Li-ion battery breakdown happens when you get out of that range so the Volt battery should last a very long time.
Quote from: veeman on August 14, 2019, 03:02:16 PM
That alone pushes me to get an EV. I'm assuming all you need to do for the first 100,000 miles is tires? I don't know though.
You have to replace the battery relay distributor packs every 5000 miles, and realign the plasma manifolds with the antimatter injectors every 50,000 miles.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 14, 2019, 12:41:38 PM
Here's my list of mods/improvements:
- had to buy another pair of sunglasses to keep in the car. I've bought the same pair like 4 times from Amazon and have 1 in each car. :lol:
- sun shade from Walmart
- Weather tech cut to fit floor mats (1/3 the cost of custom fit weather techs)
- another key/remote
- false floor (Standard on Premieres but not on my LT. Costs about $130 for the parts)
- window tint. I'm thinking 40-50%, maybe ceramic?
I already put a stick on the back window. I can take a pic of it later.
heatshield sunshades works really well. The problem with weathertech, just like the OEM floor mat is that it doesn't cover the whole dead pedal. I think the false floor, you need to cut into the trims. It's not a simple add on.
Quote from: RomanChariot on August 14, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
My coworker who is an electrical engineer and owns a second generation Volt says that Chevy designed it to only charge the battery to 80% of capacity and to not let the battery dip below 20% of capacity. He says that the majority of Li-ion battery breakdown happens when you get out of that range so the Volt battery should last a very long time.
Yes the Volt has a good amount of protection. I'm not sure the Bolts are as protective.
Here's the maintenance schedule. LOL
https://my.chevrolet.com/content/dam/gmownercenter/gmna/dynamic/manuals/2017/Chevrolet/BOLT%20EV/Maintenance%20Schedule.pdf
Quote from: NomisR on August 14, 2019, 03:30:35 PM
heatshield sunshades works really well. The problem with weathertech, just like the OEM floor mat is that it doesn't cover the whole dead pedal. I think the false floor, you need to cut into the trims. It's not a simple add on.
I've never had a floor mat that covers a dead pedal. I'm not that picky TBH.
For the false floor there are already bolt holes there, you just have to get the plastic covers off AFAIK. Which may involve a razor blade.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 14, 2019, 03:32:37 PM
I've never had a floor mat that covers a dead pedal. I'm not that picky TBH.
For the false floor there are already bolt holes there, you just have to get the plastic covers off AFAIK. Which may involve a razor blade.
The dead pedal for the Bolt is just carpeted though.
There's bolt hole for your car? I think you have to cut it out if I remember correctly.
Quote from: veeman on August 14, 2019, 03:02:16 PM
That alone pushes me to get an EV. I'm assuming all you need to do for the first 100,000 miles is tires? I don't know though.
Essentially yes. EVs have no fluids and are very gentle on the brake pads.
Quote from: RomanChariot on August 14, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
My coworker who is an electrical engineer and owns a second generation Volt says that Chevy designed it to only charge the battery to 80% of capacity and to not let the battery dip below 20% of capacity. He says that the majority of Li-ion battery breakdown happens when you get out of that range so the Volt battery should last a very long time.
It's good to hear that some mfrs are being responsible with batteries. Tesla's Supercharging makes me a little nervous, it seems like heavily S/C'd batteries will go through a lot more wear and tear over their lifetimes compared to ones that are babied with a L2 home charger.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 14, 2019, 03:13:28 PM
You have to replace the battery relay distributor packs every 5000 miles, and realign the plasma manifolds with the antimatter injectors every 50,000 miles.
Torres is such a grouchy mechanic :rage:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 14, 2019, 03:31:12 PM
Here's the maintenance schedule. LOL
Why do we still drive ICEs again? I want an electric Miata already.
Quote from: Laconian on August 14, 2019, 04:08:46 PM
Why do we still drive ICEs again? I want an electric Miata already.
Honestly, IDK. For any mainstreamer, electric motors are just
better. It's not as cool as my El Camino since you don't get the awesome sounds, but a Civic isn't gonna sound like that either. And the EV has torque for days and way fewer moving parts and maintenance items and no hump in the floor, etc etc etc
Quote from: Laconian on August 14, 2019, 04:08:46 PM
Why do we still drive ICEs again? I want an electric Miata already.
I'll take one, too. But I want a 4-speed manual.
Quote from: Laconian on August 14, 2019, 04:08:46 PM
Why do we still drive ICEs again? I want an electric Miata already.
Cuz I don't have anywhere to charge. Plus they're $$$$$$$$$$$$.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 14, 2019, 04:26:09 PM
Cuz I don't have anywhere to charge. Plus they're $$$$$$$$$$$$.
I think the prices will drop pretty fast over the next 10 years. Not as much engineering is needed for the drivetrain or platform and it can all be shared with the rest of an automaker's lineup. Economies of scale should be better
Quote from: NomisR on August 14, 2019, 03:51:04 PM
The dead pedal for the Bolt is just carpeted though.
There's bolt hole for your car? I think you have to cut it out if I remember correctly.
I mostly want floor mats to protect the carpet from getting worn out. Like where your heel sits constantly. So the dead pedal is kinda meh
Once they figure out the termite fart thing, cars would be going hydrogen as storage instead.
I can't get Android auto to work. For one thing, having to plug into USB for Android auto and car play is stupid. And my phone won't switch to Midi from charge-only for the USB settings. I guess it's probably my cables but I tried 6 of them and none worked. I don't know how to pick a cable that will actually work
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 14, 2019, 07:53:43 PM
I can't get Android auto to work. For one thing, having to plug into USB for Android auto and car play is stupid. And my phone won't switch to Midi from charge-only for the USB settings. I guess it's probably my cables but I tried 6 of them and none worked. I don't know how to pick a cable that will actually work
You don't need all that crap. :huh:
Quote from: NomisR on August 14, 2019, 05:34:45 PM
Once they figure out the termite fart thing, cars would be going hydrogen as storage instead.
?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 14, 2019, 04:25:59 PM
I'll take one, too. But I want a 4-speed manual.
What if it just had force feedback and simulated a gearbox by limiting motor voltage?
Quote from: Laconian on August 14, 2019, 08:37:31 PM
What if it just had force feedback and simulated a gearbox by limiting motor voltage?
:rage:
My wife's phone connected to Android auto. I looked in my app and the car was in the "rejected" vehicle category. What does that mean? I went ahead and deleted it from the category
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 14, 2019, 09:51:15 PM
My wife's phone connected to Android auto. I looked in my app and the car was in the "rejected" vehicle category. What does that mean? I went ahead and deleted it from the category
!? Maybe you misclicked.
I got Android Auto working on my Mazder via mad hax0r skills, but I never use it. I prefer pathfinding with my brain as much as possible, keeps me sharp.
Android Auto works fine in our car, but it is picky on cables.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 14, 2019, 03:13:28 PM
You have to replace the battery relay distributor packs every 5000 miles, and realign the plasma manifolds with the antimatter injectors every 50,000 miles.
But that would affect the linear subspace converters with plasma fluid polarity. The only way around this is to magnetize the multi-isolinear terminals with the auxiliary sub-routines via a portable adjuster.
False floor?
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 15, 2019, 06:09:46 AM
False floor?
It's a second floor for the cargo area that lifts up. So you can store stuff underneath and put groceries on top.
(https://www.chevybolt.org/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4181/34631834136_00e605e303_c.jpg)
Quote from: Laconian on August 14, 2019, 04:08:46 PM
Why do we still drive ICEs again? I want an electric Miata already.
Ew.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 14, 2019, 04:24:25 PM
Honestly, IDK. For any mainstreamer, electric motors are just better.
Ew.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 15, 2019, 08:09:33 AM
It's a second floor for the cargo area that lifts up. So you can store stuff underneath and put groceries on top.
(https://www.chevybolt.org/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4181/34631834136_00e605e303_c.jpg)
I like that.
I got Android Auto to work this morning. My wife's phone worked last night so I assumed the cable and car are fine and it was my phone that was the problem. I deleted the car from the rejected list and made sure all the Google services apps were updated.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 15, 2019, 08:09:33 AM
It's a second floor for the cargo area that lifts up. So you can store stuff underneath and put groceries on top.
(https://www.chevybolt.org/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4181/34631834136_00e605e303_c.jpg)
The perfect size for twelve bricks of cocaine, and an assault rifle.. :rockon:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 15, 2019, 03:43:34 AM
But that would affect the linear subspace converters with plasma fluid polarity. The only way around this is to magnetize the multi-isolinear terminals with the auxiliary sub-routines via a portable adjuster.
Wouldn't be easier to modify the deflector to generate an inverse ionic field and use the EPS relays to generate a multiphasic energy pulse?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 15, 2019, 10:00:28 AM
The perfect size for twelve bricks of cocaine, and an assault rifle.. :rockon:
Or millions of Flintstones vitamins.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 15, 2019, 10:00:28 AM
The perfect size for twelve bricks of cocaine, and an assault rifle.. :rockon:
I see they got my letter.
Appropriate sticker
(https://i.imgur.com/bPaigFb.jpg)
And I lied, I will have to cut/pound out the trunk panel to access the bolt holes for the false cargo floor. Shouldn't be too hard.
(https://i.imgur.com/QNGCwFv.jpg)
I modded the seats and added 1-1.5" of camping pad foam. Just enough to lift the seat foam above the side of the seat frame so it doesn't dig into my hips/thigh while I'm sitting in it. The seat covers are easy to take off. You just slide some plastic clips off.
(https://i.imgur.com/7xwrR80.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qZtFg7W.jpg)
Pre-fix. You can see how low the back of the seat is - basically level with the side of the frame.
(https://i.imgur.com/9EW4Db0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VqlvDIl.jpg)
Congrats on the Bolt. I test drove one and found it a lot of fun. Great value for money.
Nice seat mod. I need to do that to Doge, but the 60/40 bench seat is a single piece. Very heavy to remove.
Quote from: Laconian on August 14, 2019, 08:36:16 PM
?
I was reading a piece of paper fed to a termite can produce 2 lb of hydrogen. and of course CO2. So we can harness that and with the CO2 fed to the plants to produce food for the termite.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 15, 2019, 11:14:13 AM
And I lied, I will have to cut/pound out the trunk panel to access the bolt holes for the false cargo floor. Shouldn't be too hard.
Ok, I was gonna say, it's been a while since I looked back there but I'm pretty sure I wasn't imagining things.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 15, 2019, 11:14:54 AM
I modded the seats and added 1-1.5" of camping pad foam. Just enough to lift the seat foam above the side of the seat frame so it doesn't dig into my hips/thigh while I'm sitting in it. The seat covers are easy to take off. You just slide some plastic clips off.
How long did the seat mod take you? I just tossed on two seat cushions and worked out well but still want to do this or maybe for lumbar support.
Quote from: NomisR on August 15, 2019, 02:29:49 PM
How long did the seat mod take you? I just tossed on two seat cushions and worked out well but still want to do this or maybe for lumbar support.
20 minutes total.
There are two plastic clips in the back under the seat and 1 on each side toward the back. I didn't actually clip the side ones back on when I was done, because it was hard and it looks the same either way. :lol:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 15, 2019, 03:32:02 PM
20 minutes total.
There are two plastic clips in the back under the seat and 1 on each side toward the back. I didn't actually clip the side ones back on when I was done, because it was hard and it looks the same either way. :lol:
I'm going to see if I can take my cushion apart and stuff it in there. Might be a perfect fit.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 15, 2019, 10:07:22 AM
Wouldn't be easier to modify the deflector to generate an inverse ionic field and use the EPS relays to generate a multiphasic energy pulse?
Hmmm, that could work if we baffle the impulse engine with multisubsonic intermix rays with ultraviolet subfusion. Make sense?
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 16, 2019, 06:07:46 AM
Hmmm, that could work if we baffle the impulse engine with multisubsonic intermix rays with ultraviolet subfusion. Make sense?
That could work if we recalibrate the impulse drive with a recursive feedback algorithm to compemsate to harmonic distortions, but that's like reinventing the wheel. What if we modified the warp core to emit a tetryon burst and divert it into the deflector and create a controlled temporal flux. We could diverte power from life support and secondary systems in order to stabilize the reation.
Good ideas, but I don't see how you are going to handle the chroniton radiation.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on August 16, 2019, 07:26:43 AM
Good ideas, but I don't see how you are going to handle the chroniton radiation.
The Doctor will prepare an inoculation to counteract the effects of the radiation.
I don't know what's happening in here.
Unfortunately Corbeau doesn't offer seat brackets for Bolts at the moment. Can't go full racecar yet.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 16, 2019, 07:21:42 AM
That could work if we recalibrate the impulse drive with a recursive feedback algorithm to compemsate to harmonic distortions, but that's like reinventing the wheel. What if we modified the warp core to emit a tetryon burst and divert it into the deflector and create a controlled temporal flux. We could diverte power from life support and secondary systems in order to stabilize the reation.
That's too much for my understanding. Then again I work in Ten-Forward and know nothing about warp theory! :lol:
Time to buy a new Bolt already? :devil:
2020 Chevrolet Bolt To Have Increased Range Of 259 Miles
The Chevrolet Bolt hasn't changed much since it was introduced in 2016, but there appears to be a significant update on the horizon.
As noticed by Car & Driver, the EPA says the 2020 Bolt will have an increased range of 259 miles (417 km). That's 21 miles (34 miles) more than its predecessor and is significantly longer than rivals such as the Nissan Leaf Plus (226 miles / 364 km), Kia Niro EV (239 miles / 385 km) and Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus (240 miles / 386 km). The model even tops the Hyundai Kona Electric which has a range of 258 miles (415 km).
Despite the increased range, the model appears slightly less efficient than before as the 2020 Bolt has an MPGe rating of 127 city, 108 highway and 118 combined. That's a slight dip from the 2019 model which was rated at 128 city, 110 highway and 119 combined. As a result, it costs an extra cent to drive 25 miles (40 km).
Little is known about the updated Bolt, but the publication believes the car has been equipped with a revised battery pack that features an improved chemistry. That sounds like a logical explanation, but nothing is official as of yet.
While the range sees a significant improvement for 2020, there doesn't appear to be any other drastic changes. However, Car & Driver says we can expect a "few new features" and a revised color palette that swaps out Shock Yellow for Cayenne Orange Metallic and Oasis Blue. The publication also says the familiar 200 hp (149 kW / 203 PS) electric motor carries over.
Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/08/2020-chevrolet-bolt-to-have-increased-range-of-259-miles/
So... I bought a 2nd keyless remote. In the owner's manual there's a section on how to program it yourself. Since I only had 1 key, I had to do the longer method than if you have both keys and just want to add 1.
- Do the 5 unlocks on the door handle.
- Wait 10 mins, press Power.
- Wait 10 mins, press Power.
- Wait 10 mins, press Power.
- Put key fob in tray and press Power.
- Remove key fob and press unlock.
- Put in next key fob in tray and press power.
- Remove key fob and press unlock.
- Hold down Power for 12 seconds.
After step 4, all the keys are wiped. I got that far and when I tried to do step 5, nothing happened. I don't have keys for the car anymore. I had to call AAA and have them tow it to the dealership (with the car in Park, so it had to drag it up onto the flatbed...)
The dealership tried to program the keys with their computer and they won't program. Something is wrong with the car. Fucking technology. It costs $2 to copy a normal key and this is gonna cost at least $300.
Did the owners manual also tell you to delete System32?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 30, 2019, 03:23:59 PM
So... I bought a 2nd keyless remote. In the owner's manual there's a section on how to program it yourself. Since I only had 1 key, I had to do the longer method than if you have both keys and just want to add 1.
- Do the 5 unlocks on the door handle.
- Wait 10 mins, press Power.
- Wait 10 mins, press Power.
- Wait 10 mins, press Power.
- Put key fob in tray and press Power.
- Remove key fob and press unlock.
- Put in next key fob in tray and press power.
- Remove key fob and press unlock.
- Hold down Power for 12 seconds.
After step 4, all the keys are wiped. I got that far and when I tried to do step 5, nothing happened. I don't have keys for the car anymore. I had to call AAA and have them tow it to the dealership (with the car in Park, so it had to drag it up onto the flatbed...)
The dealership tried to program the keys with their computer and they won't program. Something is wrong with the car. Fucking technology. It costs $2 to copy a normal key and this is gonna cost at least $300.
In all modern cars I know of, there's a manual over ride somewhere to get the car into neutral.
I hate all that shit too; if I could, I would eliminate the ignition key altogether and go back to actual push-button start with a kill switch hidden somewhere.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 30, 2019, 04:15:52 PM
In all modern cars I know of, there's a manual over ride somewhere to get the car into neutral.
I hate all that shit too; if I could, I would eliminate the ignition key altogether and go back to actual push-button start with a kill switch hidden somewhere.
There's nothing in the manual and nothing online about a manual neutral override. And the dealership only knows a tiny bit about these cars because they're "new technology".
Push button without the key receiver would work for me. Racecar.
our 2005 Subie has a little cover near shifter you can pop open and probably with screwdriver or something move to N...
Oh and Scrappy is old skool key and locks.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 31, 2019, 07:39:53 PM
our 2005 Subie has a little cover near shifter you can pop open and probably with screwdriver or something move to N...
This has an all-electric shifter so I don't think it has anything like that, unfortunately
The beloved ZF 8 speed actually requires you to crawl under the car and thread a bolt into the manual neutral override.
My old Ford Probe had a place by the shifter that you put the ignition key in to turn and put it into neutral... Gotta live "progress"
Do mechanical neutral modes even exist for electric cars? I would think that the inputs and outputs would be permanently and mechanically delitized meshed all the time.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 31, 2019, 07:42:08 PM
This has an all-electric shifter so I don't think it has anything like that, unfortunately
What is it?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 01, 2019, 06:59:28 PM
What is it?
I don't really know what you're asking but here a picture of it. You can buy your own for $65
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/knQAAOSwUQ5bo~iy/s-l400.jpg)
Chevrolet Lumina
Finally got the car back today. After a week and a half at the dealership and $665 later I have 2 keyfobs for the car. Jesus
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 09, 2019, 09:42:01 PM
Finally got the car back today. After a week and a half at the dealership and $665 later I have 2 keyfobs for the car. Jesus
Welcome to The Future™
The alarm/theft module had to be replaced because one of the circuits wasn't working so it wouldn't allow the key programming function to finish. $80 part, $500 in labor for everything. (diagnosis, replacing the module, and programming the keys)
Did you get the false floor put in yet?
No. I might stop by the local dealership and show them the parts and see if they can swap one of the left side brackets for a right side bracket.
I did look and you do have to cut out the holes with a razor blade. Shouldn't be hard, and the holes are covered afterwards so if it's not pretty it's fine.
What is this false floor stuff? I do not comprehend. Where the spare tire is? Or what.
Sounds like CaminoRacer is planning to become a drug runner for Mexican cartels.
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 10, 2019, 10:10:55 PM
What is this false floor stuff? I do not comprehend. Where the spare tire is? Or what.
So there's the normal floor in the trunk. Under that is the charging cable and stuff (no spare tire though - they came with "self-sealing" tires instead). The false floor is a second floor panel that goes 6 inches above the normal floor, allowing you to have a 2 level trunk. That way you can store stuff underneath and leave the top completely open, giving you more cargo space.
(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F5%2F4181%2F34631834136_00e605e303_c.jpg&f=1&nofb=1p)
Quote from: SJ_GTI on September 11, 2019, 06:27:16 AM
Sounds like CaminoRacer is planning to become a drug runner for Mexican cartels.
The El Camino would be even better for that. There's a "smuggler's box" under the front of the bed floor. El Caminos use the same floorpan as the Chevelle wagons, so there's a nice cubby behind the passenger compartment, between the floorpan and bed floor.
Apparently I only buy vehicles that are good for drug running.
https://youtu.be/C7BHXMuG2Cw
4 more SCCA events this year. I think I'll sign up for this weekend's and see how this thing does on the all-seasons. Luckily the current tires are Hankooks and seem better than the stock tires.
I think I've realized why I like this car - it feels similar to my dad's VW Beetle. Small car, sits mostly upright, quick off the line, go-kart handling, and overall a very simple car (if you ignore the touchscreen infotainment). And they're both red!
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 28, 2019, 10:45:51 AM
I think I've realized why I like this car - it feels similar to my dad's VW Beetle. Small car, sits mostly upright, quick off the line, go-kart handling, and overall a very simple car (if you ignore the touchscreen infotainment). And they're both red!
It's because it's red.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 28, 2019, 11:50:49 AM
yes mostly the red
I used to have a red Plymouth Sundance, and I swear that was the fastest, and most fun car ever.
The Chevy Bolt red is not so red as to attract unwanted police officer attention I think. A shade darker. Win win situation.
Let's move this thread to the EV section!
I'm very glad my GFCI outlet replacement is working normally now. No more worrying about the outlet staying on while charging, and I can even charge at 12 amps instead of 8 now. Cuts down the full charge time from 2.6 days to 1.7 days on the slow level 1 charger. We haven't really needed a level 2 charger at home. The daily commute isn't long enough to justify one, and we have other cars if we need to drive long distances multiple days in a row
So over night would get you about 50 miles?
For me I could see full weekend charge then plug in right after work every day, about 12hrs every night plus I drive about 40-50 miles per day.
With 120 volt, 8 amp charging, it's about 45 miles for 12 hours of charging. If you change the settings to charge at 12 amps, it's about 65 miles over 12 hours.
That's assuming an average of 3.8 miles per KW
Do-able..... I seriously do strongly consider a Bolt next. But that may be 2-10 years from now LOL...
With a 220v charger it's only 8 hours for a full charge. I imagine all new garages will come with a 220v outlet in the next few years and old garages can be retrofitted for not much money
Anyone who needs a full charge every day shouldn't get an EV in the first place
I'm guessing the ~35 miles people drive every day will be doable in 2-3 hours max.
what the what
I haven't been worried about the Bolt recall (my car has 91k miles, I feel like it would have caught fire already if it's going to), but this is getting ridiculous.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/gm-warns-some-bolt-ev-owners-dont-park-them-inside-or-charge-them-unattended-overnight.html
Might end up selling it, but any other EV is gonna cost twice as much as I paid, and 3-4x what the car is currently worth. Bolt EUV, Model 3, or Mach E would be the obvious upgrades. Or go back to ICE, probably either a Civic or Accord. But I don't like the recent Civics, I'd want a 2022+ with the new styling.
One of these. 2.5 litre hybrid. Cheap.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hvm5Yc4B/2022-ford-maverick-ogi01.jpg)
You'll be all set for lawn care/landscaping/gardening when you get your house.
It seems that 7 of the ~11 fires have been in 2019 models, 3 from 2017, and 1 from 2018. Mine is a very early build - built in September 2016 as a 2017 model. Given it's been 4+ years and 91k miles, I think the battery is probably fine.
2017-early 2019 models have battery packs built by LG in South Korea. Halfway through the 2019 models, they switched to US made batteries and those haven't had any issues.
"Two of the vehicles caught fire after they were repaired as part of a recall meant to address fire risks."
LOL
The recall "fix" isn't really a fix, it's a software update to try to find the problem before burns the car/garage/house down. I didn't get the "interim fix" or the "final fix" done yet. The interim fix just limited the battery to 85-90% full, which I could do myself. I was going to get the "final fix" at some point, but not until I get the Miata back from the body shop.
New battery packs are the only real fix.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 15, 2021, 02:25:02 PM
The recall "fix" isn't really a fix, it's a software update to try to find the problem before burns the car/garage/house down. I didn't get the "interim fix" or the "final fix" done yet. The interim one straight up just limited the battery to 85-90% full, which I could do myself. I was going to get the "final fix" at some point, but not until I get the Miata back from the body shop.
New battery packs are the only real fix.
I've been charging till 80% since the original recall, I haven't even gone in for the first recall since they never did anything. Probably should for insurance purposes but the lease is up in a few months..
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 15, 2021, 01:41:16 PM
It seems that 7 of the ~11 fires have been in 2019 models, 3 from 2017, and 1 from 2018. Mine is a very early build - built in September 2016 as a 2017 model. Given it's been 4+ years and 91k miles, I think the battery is probably fine.
2017-early 2019 models have battery packs built by LG in South Korea. Halfway through the 2019 models, they switched to US made batteries and those haven't had any issues.
11 fires? That's a slow quarter for Tesla :lol:
Quote from: MrH on July 15, 2021, 02:49:50 PM
11 fires? That's a slow quarter for Tesla :lol:
:thumbsup:
Quote from: MrH on July 15, 2021, 02:49:50 PM
11 fires? That's a slow quarter for Tesla :lol:
:lol:
Total Chevy Bolt Sales: 79,000
Chevy Bolt Conflagrations: 11
Chevy Bolt Conflagration Rate: 0.014%
Total Tesla Sales: 1,820,000
Tesla Conflagrations: 25 (quick Wikipedia count (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents#Tesla_Model_S,_3,_X,_Y))
Tesla Conflagration Rate: 0.00138%
Employing advanced mainstream media statistical analysis techniques: 25 is a number that is about twice as large as 13, therefore Teslas are about twice as lethal as Chevy Bolts.
:lol:
LG vs SK batteries is an interesting background fight in the EV world.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36488021/ford-f-150-lightning-batteries-us-trade-war/
LG batteries have had multiple issues. Hyundai Kona and Chevy Bolt batteries were built by LG in South and Korea and both had issues. I'm getting conflicting information whether the Mach E uses LG or SK. The Lightning will be SK made in the USA. I think the Mach E might be using a battery pack made by LG in Poland?
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 16, 2021, 12:15:24 PM
Total Chevy Bolt Sales: 79,000
Chevy Bolt Conflagrations: 11
Chevy Bolt Conflagration Rate: 0.014%
Total Tesla Sales: 1,820,000
Tesla Conflagrations: 25 (quick Wikipedia count (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents#Tesla_Model_S,_3,_X,_Y))
Tesla Conflagration Rate: 0.00138%
Employing advanced mainstream media statistical analysis techniques: 25 is a number that is about twice as large as 13, therefore Teslas are about twice as lethal as Chevy Bolts.
:lol:
Breaking it down by year really makes the 2019 Bolt's statistics look bad. When I bought my 2017 I could have leased a 2019 for a similar price per month. Maybe it's a good thing I didn't?
2019 Bolts with the Korean-made battery: 14,371
Fires: 7
0.048%
Munro touched on that, & subsequently corrected himself when he was talking about the Mach E in one of the teardown vids. It's LG.
https://youtu.be/hjhKPmTV7Tk?t=90 (https://youtu.be/hjhKPmTV7Tk?t=90)
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 16, 2021, 12:15:24 PM
Total Chevy Bolt Sales: 79,000
Chevy Bolt Conflagrations: 11
Chevy Bolt Conflagration Rate: 0.014%
Total Tesla Sales: 1,820,000
Tesla Conflagrations: 25 (quick Wikipedia count (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents#Tesla_Model_S,_3,_X,_Y))
Tesla Conflagration Rate: 0.00138%
Employing advanced mainstream media statistical analysis techniques: 25 is a number that is about twice as large as 13, therefore Teslas are about twice as lethal as Chevy Bolts.
:lol:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MS2aEfbEi7s
Srsly - Tesla is so far ahead of the rest, and will remain so until the others at least fix their charge fill rates, & availability of simple-to-use and reliable public chargers.
Tesla wishes they only had 25 fires. Actuary tables from insurance companies tell a very very different tale. Tesla immediately tries to get an NDA signed anytime there is a fire
Just a quick update:
There's a Dutch guy on Twitter who has been tracking every Tesla fire. We're up to 144 that he's been able to document.
Are most of them after a big collision? I feel like those are the common Tesla fires I hear about
It's a mixed bag. There are a ton of them just igniting while parked. The difference is not what's starting the fires, but in the OEMs response. Tesla won't recall shit until they are forced to, and even then, they'll fight it.
Quote from: MrH on July 26, 2021, 12:37:17 PM
The difference is not what's starting the fires, but in the OEMs response. Tesla won't recall shit until they are forced to, and even then, they'll fight it.
...this is unique how???
Also the Tesla fire rate is still much lower than the bolt even with internet numbers
Almost all other OEMs do their recalls voluntarily to get out in front of the issue.
Maybe after a few lawsuits
Quote from: MrH on July 26, 2021, 01:05:47 PM
Almost all other OEMs do their recalls voluntarily to get out in front of the issue.
It's also the only company with no PR department
Quote from: NomisR on July 26, 2021, 02:26:49 PM
It's also the only company with no PR department
As long as you don't count the paid flying monkey division on social media, then sure, they don't have a PR department.
Quote from: MrH on July 26, 2021, 02:33:43 PM
As long as you don't count the paid flying monkey division on social media, then sure, they don't have a PR department.
Well, I guess they depend on unpaid fanbois to defend their product non-stop.. but no PR in a traditional sense
They're not all unpaid. That's the point I'm making.
They're buying back my brother's Bolt at full MSRP. He gets to keep the tax credit, of course. His three years and 80,000 miles of driving were free.
Quote from: Laconian on August 02, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
They're buying back my brother's Bolt at full MSRP. He gets to keep the tax credit, of course. His three years and 80,000 miles of driving were free.
Whoa, that is handy.
Edit, actually, if they are paying MSRP, that means he got paid (via the tax credits) to drive it for three years.
Quote from: Laconian on August 02, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
They're buying back my brother's Bolt at full MSRP. He gets to keep the tax credit, of course. His three years and 80,000 miles of driving were free.
I thought they subtracted for mileage?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 02, 2021, 01:00:48 PM
I thought they subtracted for mileage?
Yeah, 15%. But I think he got $7k of tax credits.
Quote from: Laconian on August 02, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
They're buying back my brother's Bolt at full MSRP. He gets to keep the tax credit, of course. His three years and 80,000 miles of driving were free.
Is this because of the Bolt's asslpodin' battery thing?
Quote from: Morris Minor on August 02, 2021, 01:06:02 PM
Is this because of the Bolt's asslpodin' battery thing?
Yep.
Quote from: Laconian on August 02, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
They're buying back my brother's Bolt at full MSRP. He gets to keep the tax credit, of course. His three years and 80,000 miles of driving were free.
I haven't gotten anything, but then again, my car's a lease..2 more months to go.
Quote from: NomisR on August 02, 2021, 04:59:06 PM
I haven't gotten anything, but then again, my car's a lease..2 more months to go.
He had to ask the dealer to get the ball rolling.
Quote from: Laconian on August 02, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
They're buying back my brother's Bolt at full MSRP. He gets to keep the tax credit, of course. His three years and 80,000 miles of driving were free.
LOL This is awesome
https://electrek.co/2021/08/16/exclusive-gm-to-replace-all-battery-modules-in-some-bolts-to-avoid-chevy-bolt-fires/
New batteries!!!
But it looks like early 2019 models are the priority, so our 2017 probably won't get a replacement any time soon. All the batteries that are replaced will be sent to GM/LG and they'll continue to look for a way to detect the issue at dealerships, to try to avoid replacing all of the batteries. So it's possible that they will be able to detect the issue before mine gets automatically replaced. We shall see. Our car has like 8% degradation after 92k miles (so full charge might show 215-220 miles instead of 236) which is pretty acceptable IMO.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 16, 2021, 08:54:34 PM
https://electrek.co/2021/08/16/exclusive-gm-to-replace-all-battery-modules-in-some-bolts-to-avoid-chevy-bolt-fires/
New batteries!!!
But it looks like early 2019 models are the priority, so our 2017 probably won't get a replacement any time soon. All the batteries that are replaced will be sent to GM/LG and they'll continue to look for a way to detect the issue at dealerships, to try to avoid replacing all of the batteries. So it's possible that they will be able to detect the issue before mine gets automatically replaced. We shall see. Our car has like 8% degradation after 92k miles (so full charge might show 215-220 miles instead of 236) which is pretty acceptable IMO.
We are getting new batteries as well on the Opel Ampera-E. New batteries will even be 8% larger than the original and come with full warranty, so we are pretty pleased. We've driven it 137k kms
ALL Bolts have now been recalled, including 2020-2022 models. Not sure which batteries they will be using to replace the old ones now... Originally we all thought they'd just use 2022 Bolt batteries for the 2017-2019 recalled ones.
Interesting. There were 3 Bolts out front of the local Chevy dealership that were gone by Saturday. I thought maybe they had a fire sale (get it?! ba dum cha!) and sold all 3. I'm guessing they just pulled them instead
They should be on a stop sale order at Chevy dealerships again. Unless they sold them right before the latest stop sale.
I got my recall/battery replacement letter in the mail from GM, but it's the "we'll let you know when we have the parts available" letter. Higher priority VINs got a different letter.
Renamed the thread, because it is no longer "new car time", I've had this car for 2 years.
The car has had a rattle for over a year. It has been coming from the front suspension or steering column area when driving over bumps. Kind of unsettling to have your steering components rattle, makes you worry that a wheel will fall off or something. I've searched on the Bolt forums a few times, and one time I saw someone say that the steering column bolts behind the brake pedal can be the culprit. I checked them a couple of months ago and they weren't loose. But neither were the tie rods or ball joints, and the CV axles don't have torn boots or anything.
Yesterday I did a test, and just wiggled the steering wheel in the driveway and listening to the steering column. While the bolts weren't loose, apparently they weren't quite tight enough. I torqued them to 43 lb/ft and the noise went away. :dance:
(https://i.imgur.com/IcNpxVf.jpg)
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/gm-says-chevrolet-bolt-ev-battery-production-resumes-2021-09-20/
QuoteWASHINGTON, Sept 20 (Reuters) - General Motors Co (GM.N) said on Monday that battery production has resumed for its recalled Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicle and that battery replacements will begin next month.
GM said battery supplier LG (003550.KS) battery plants in Holland and Hazel Park, Michigan, have resumed production and LG is adding capacity to provide more battery cells to GM.
Where are they hiding a battery factory in Hazel Park? I can't even think of a place a decent sized factory might be.
edit; oh, its where the horse track used to be...
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 20, 2021, 03:29:16 PM
Where are they hiding a battery factory in Hazel Park? I can't even think of a place a decent sized factory might be.
edit; oh, its where the horse track used to be...
I think it's just battery assembly in Michigan, the cells are still made in Korea from what I've seen
Supply chain is apparently struggling to keep Bolt cabin air filters in stock. Oh no! How will I stick to the maintenance schedule?!
Good news though - I called the local dealership and they have ordered a new battery for the recall. Might be a couple of months until it's delivered, but I'm in line. The car has 95k miles on it and the current battery has <10% degredation. A new battery will help this car last another like 150-200k miles easy. Plus range gets a boost to 259 miles, for free.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 07, 2021, 02:35:10 PM
Supply chain is apparently struggling to keep Bolt cabin air filters in stock. Oh no! How will I stick to the maintenance schedule?!
Good news though - I called the local dealership and they have ordered a new battery for the recall. Might be a couple of months until it's delivered, but I'm in line. The car has 95k miles on it and the current battery has <10% degredation. A new battery will help this car last another like 150-200k miles easy. Plus range gets a boost to 259 miles, for free.
We keep running out of oil filters at work. Supply chain needs grease.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 07, 2021, 02:41:58 PM
We keep running out of oil filters at work. Supply chain needs grease.
I bet all the ones for Bolts are out of stock.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 07, 2021, 02:47:38 PM
I bet all the ones for Bolts are out of stock.
Yeah, we can't even get the oil
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 07, 2021, 02:35:10 PM
Supply chain is apparently struggling to keep Bolt cabin air filters in stock. Oh no! How will I stick to the maintenance schedule?!
Good news though - I called the local dealership and they have ordered a new battery for the recall. Might be a couple of months until it's delivered, but I'm in line. The car has 95k miles on it and the current battery has <10% degredation. A new battery will help this car last another like 150-200k miles easy. Plus range gets a boost to 259 miles, for free.
Niiiiice!
Bolt batteries are filling up the dealerships and cars are getting repaired at a very rapid rate.
Which is good and bad; Its good they're getting fixed.
Its bad there was never a point where one could have picked up a Bolt for pocket change.
Nooooo! We were hoping we would drive the car well past 100k miles before any battery change
Quote from: mzziaz on December 22, 2021, 07:54:59 AM
Nooooo! We were hoping we would drive the car well past 100k miles before any battery change
Do you have one of the recalled batteries?
You could probably wait a few more months if you want. Just don't call the dealership until you want to.
My battery got delivered, so we have an appointment for Dec 28th to do the swap.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 22, 2021, 08:51:24 AM
Do you have one of the recalled batteries?
Yes. We have a 2017 Opel Ampera-E
We haven't had any contact with the dealership, not even to collect the monthly compensations.
Deep dive into the guts of Bolts for owners interested.
https://youtu.be/r37nqfnV9EU
Quote from: mzziaz on December 22, 2021, 07:54:59 AM
Nooooo! We were hoping we would drive the car well past 100k miles before any battery change
I'd be worried about it catching on fire at home.
Quote from: NomisR on December 23, 2021, 10:58:50 AM
I'd be worried about it catching on fire at home.
The risk of a fire is pretty small. I don't think there has been a single fire yet in Norway. Also, the car is parked in a separate garage located well away from the house.
Quote from: mzziaz on December 23, 2021, 11:59:02 PM
The risk of a fire is pretty small. I don't think there has been a single fire yet in Norway. Also, the car is parked in a separate garage located well away from the house.
That's good.
I'm in a row of 6 townhouses, so the financial risk of a fire is big $$. I'm not worried about our car, but we'll get the battery replaced next week anyway.
Quote from: mzziaz on December 23, 2021, 11:59:02 PM
The risk of a fire is pretty small. I don't think there has been a single fire yet in Norway. Also, the car is parked in a separate garage located well away from the house.
I know, it's one of those what if's.. especially when I had the car, I never bother taking the car for the recalls since it was simply limiting the charging which was what I did with the settings anyways.
Quote from: NomisR on December 27, 2021, 10:49:32 AM
I know, it's one of those what if's.. especially when I had the car, I never bother taking the car for the recalls since it was simply limiting the charging which was what I did with the settings anyways.
Yeah I never bothered with the previous recall "fixes". Just set it to the hilltop reserve setting to reduce max charge myself
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 27, 2021, 11:47:45 AM
Yeah I never bothered with the previous recall "fixes". Just set it to the hilltop reserve setting to reduce max charge myself
+1
Got our car back today. Fresh battery, full charge.
Dealership finished up yesterday afternoon but said they wanted to keep it overnight to let the coolant settle and bleed it again this morning. I don't mind since it meant they could charge it overnight too. (I think the new batteries come in at 30%)
So, noticed any better range?
Quote from: mzziaz on December 29, 2021, 02:13:16 PM
So, noticed any better range?
Less than I expected - I think it was saying 169 miles at the dealership. But I'm not sure how much the Guessometer has recalibrated. I'll probably cycle the battery once or twice then see how much range it has with a full battery.
It's a bad time for range right now. Winter + freeway driving at 70-80 mph.
The car tried to strand me in a store parking lot today. It would turn "on" but not shift into gear, and the heater wasn't really turning on. Did a bit of googling and other than the typical module failure, shifter failure, etc. I found someone who mentioned a loose battery cable. So I popped the hood and tested that out. The positive battery cable on the normal 12v car battery was loose. I walked to the other end of the parking lot and got an adjustable wrench from Target ($12 :rage:), tightened up the nut on the cable, and the car finally shifted.
A random guy next to me had jumper cables if the battery was dead, but luckily it was just the loose cable. I should probably get a little jumper box for the car in case the battery ever does die.
I assume the dealership didn't tighten the battery cable enough when they swapped my big battery a couple of weeks ago. Speaking of the dealership, they want me to come back in for a software update that they apparently didn't do when they did the swap. And write down the battery serial number. lol. I am in no rush to go back, maybe later this month.
'the fuck do you jump start an electric car?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 15, 2022, 05:58:55 PM
'the fuck do you jump start an electric car?
Most still have a 12v battery to run the accessories and flip on the big battery when you turn on the car.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 15, 2022, 05:59:56 PM
Most still have a 12v battery to run the accessories and flip on the big battery when you turn on the car.
I think that is the dumbest thing ever. It should be able to jump start itself.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 15, 2022, 06:01:50 PM
I think that is the dumbest thing ever. It should be able to jump start itself.
Haha right?
So the new Turbo Maverick has the battery in the usual spot. The hybrid model has big battery under the bed and the 12v is under the rear seat. :confused:
There's a whole DC-to-DC Converter module thingy deal going on in EVs. The big battery has to keep its baby brother 12V battery fed & happy.
If the 12 volt battery fails in an EV, you're fucked. Ask me how I know. :lol:
Quote from: shp4man on January 16, 2022, 11:21:13 AM
If the 12 volt battery fails in an EV, you're fucked. Ask me how I know. :lol:
Same with an ICE.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 16, 2022, 11:56:24 AM
Same with an ICE.
You can push start an older ICE with a manual transmission.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 16, 2022, 12:05:41 PM
You can push start an older ICE with a manual transmission.
My Miata would still be in trouble, I guess, since it has a push button starter. Or maybe if the battery isn't completely dead, I could hit the start button with my foot off the brake to go into ACC mode, then push start the car?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 16, 2022, 01:54:55 PM
My Miata would still be in trouble, I guess, since it has a push button starter. Or maybe if the battery isn't completely dead, I could hit the start button with my foot off the brake to go into ACC mode, then push start the car?
I never thought about how push-to-start would interfere with actual push starts before...
My '02 Civic could still be push started, which surprised me at the time.
There still has to be enough juice to power fuel injectors and ignition modules, which may vary significantly with different vehicles.
Are you taking the $6000 in lieu of dying in a battery fire?
https://youtu.be/zRX9NysVLZQ
You get $6,000 and waive your right to sue GM over ANYTHING that may arise with your Bolt. So you could end up a vegetative quadriplegic because something else in the car failed, but GM would be off the hook.
So I'm guessing GM must know there are other flaws in the car.
I'd take it, sell the car and buy another Bolt?
I'm guessing the agreement would be tied to the VIN
I didn't watch the video. I skimmed the waiver when they first released it. It read to me like you couldn't join any class action lawsuits about it, but it didn't necessarily exclude you from suing if it burst into flames later?
It's all very overblown.
But I got a brand new battery with 6 kwh extra capacity, so I'm happy.
A new, loaded 2023 Bolt is the deal of the century with that new EV credit bill going through.
Fully loaded Bolt EUV with Super Cruise for $30k is insane.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 05, 2022, 09:14:30 AM
It's all very overblown.
But I got a brand new battery with 6 kwh extra capacity, so I'm happy.
Yeah, but $6000 :lol:
Does the $6000 apply to former owners? I'll take it!
A pretty big thumbs-up from Munro.
https://youtu.be/BgC5e3R0OzU
I think my wife brushed the hazard light button this morning, which killed the 12v battery after flashing for 10 hours. My voltmeter read 5.5v. We could jump the car and get it to turn on, but not shift into gear. Maybe it just needs to sit with the jumper cables for longer, but we left the car there for the night and I will call some dealerships in the morning and see if they have any batteries in stock. If not, it looks like Advanced Auto has a battery that will work (Diehard H4-XEV). Kinda pricey at $250, but I'm not sure if the dealership would be cheaper or not.
These Bolts use a weird LN1 size that I think is common in Korea but not here. It's similar to 140R/H4 but those are hard to find too, and the OEM battery is AGM so I'd like to stick with that. (a lot of stores only have non-AGM 140R size)
Summit Racing, Amazon, and Rock Auto have them in stock but it's ground shipping and might take a week to deliver. I knew I'd probably need to replace the battery soon, since it's 5-6 years old and was likely to die soon. I should have ordered one online and just kept it on the trickle charger in the garage, or installed it as a precaution.
5.5V? Wow, it's deader than a doornail. Fancy a drop-in lithium replacement? Weight savings...
I haven't seen any direct lithium replacements. I don't want to jerry rig anything and have the car light on fire when I'm not the one driving it. This is the one car I don't modify. :lol:
Yeah, that battery is both weird (small) and pricey. Had to replace ours earlier this year. It never recouperated properly after a pretty deep discharge last winter.
Dealership said it's $350, so I'll go with Advance Auto's for $250
how does a discharged 12v prevent the car from starting? there's no starter/engine to turn over
Is there an alternator or how does the 12v get charged?
Quote from: Rich on October 07, 2022, 10:31:38 AM
how does a discharged 12v prevent the car from starting? there's no starter/engine to turn over
Is there an alternator or how does the 12v get charged?
Everything but the motor still runs on a 12-volt system.
Ask me why they can't make an integrated step-down voltage regulator that can jump the 12v system off the high voltage batteries, and I will tell you I don't have a clue.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 07, 2022, 11:07:27 AM
Everything but the motor still runs on a 12-volt system.
Ask me why they can't make an integrated step-down voltage regulator that can jump the 12v system off the high voltage batteries, and I will tell you I don't have a clue.
On boats, it's considered better to have a lead battery in addition to a lithium bank. Lead acids can absorb electronics-frying dump loads on BMS shutoff while DC charging. And if you're going to flatten _a_ battery (which destroys lead acid and lithium alike), lead acids are the ones you want to kill. Dunno how much of that applies to EVs though. Certainly weight is less of an issue on boats than it is on cars.
Quote from: Laconian on October 07, 2022, 11:17:19 AM
On boats, it's considered better to have a lead battery in addition to a lithium bank. Lead acids can absorb electronics-frying dump loads on BMS shutoff while DC charging. And if you're going to flatten _a_ battery (which destroys lead acid and lithium alike), lead acids are the ones you want to kill. Dunno how much of that applies to EVs though. Certainly weight is less of an issue on boats than it is on cars.
Electric cars could be better and lighter if ancillary systems ran on higher voltage, but 12vdc systems are so prolific across so many vehicular industries.
I'm stoned and I just made that up, but it sounds good.
Quote from: Rich on October 07, 2022, 10:31:38 AM
how does a discharged 12v prevent the car from starting? there's no starter/engine to turn over
Is there an alternator or how does the 12v get charged?
The 12v battery flips the big relay or whatever to activate the big battery pack system.
The remotes also operate on the 12v system. We couldn't get into the car with the remote, had to use the backup physical key.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 07, 2022, 11:54:31 AM
The 12v battery flips the big relay or whatever to activate the big battery pack system.
That checks out. You need something to manage the BMS.
Quote from: Laconian on October 07, 2022, 11:58:22 AM
That checks out. You need something to manage the BMS.
When I have BMS, I use Metamucil.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 07, 2022, 11:24:45 AM
Electric cars could be better and lighter if ancillary systems ran on higher voltage, but 12vdc systems are so prolific across so many vehicular industries.
well, you're right.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 07, 2022, 11:07:27 AM
Everything but the motor still runs on a 12-volt system.
Ask me why they can't make an integrated step-down voltage regulator that can jump the 12v system off the high voltage batteries, and I will tell you I don't have a clue.
Its actually quite a bit more difficult changing voltages in a DC system. It could be done through the main motor's inverters, but it would be really inefficient.
I'm a way from home at the moment and I left the Infiniti, with an own-band four-year-old Autozone battery, on a Ctek battery-minder thingy. My understanding is that heat is usually what brings batteries to a premature end.
I got Cross Climate 2s installed today. The old tires still had decent tread on them but not enough to inspire any confidence in light snow or slush.
Now that the car is better prepared, I'm sure it won't snow again all winter.
(https://i.imgur.com/aJkgGt6.jpeg)
I had a set installed on my car a couple of months ago; mainly because I like the tread pattern.
I love our CrossClimate 1's. Great tires. They perform well in all conditions.
I test drove a Bolt EUV in the same outing as the EV6 and Ioniq5. It's a really great car. Very fun to drive. It's so easy to spin the front wheels. :lol: GM's redesign of the front seats was a great success. I had no issues with the seat width or bolstering.
At some point I might try to find newer seats to swap in.
I need to test drive a Bolt EUV. If it was AWD and better looking it'd be an even bigger success :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on December 10, 2022, 05:25:24 PM
I love our CrossClimate 1's. Great tires. They perform well in all conditions.
I test drove a Bolt EUV in the same outing as the EV6 and Ioniq5. It's a really great car. Very fun to drive. It's so easy to spin the front wheels. :lol: GM's redesign of the front seats was a great success. I had no issues with the seat width or bolstering.
:hesaid: I have the 2s on the Infiniti, put them on just over a year ago. It never effing stops raining here (plus the autumn leaf goop, plus the wintery stuff.) They transformed the car - recommended. These will replace the CX5's OEMs when the time comes.
Quote from: MrH on December 11, 2022, 08:21:50 AM
I need to test drive a Bolt EUV. If it was AWD and better looking it'd be an even bigger success :lol:
Nah, it'd be much more expensive. Whatever the Bolt EUV is, it nails it. Great car that drives and feels much nicer than the pricetag suggests.
I have the CC2s on the Alfa... Work really well year round, minor lack of lateral grip in the summer
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 10, 2022, 05:05:21 PM
I got Cross Climate 2s installed today. The old tires still had decent tread on them but not enough to inspire any confidence in light snow or slush.
Now that the car is better prepared, I'm sure it won't snow again all winter.
(https://i.imgur.com/aJkgGt6.jpeg)
How do the tyres affect range?
Quote from: heelntoe on December 13, 2022, 03:33:51 PM
How do the tyres affect range?
I didn't expect much reduction since the car had Hankooks on it, not the OEM Michelins. But the range does seem to have taken a small hit. I'm waiting until the tires are broken in a little bit more before I fully judge the difference. I've heard some Bolt owners say the range of any new, non-OEM tire is bad at first and then improves after a few hundred/thousand miles.
Quote from: Laconian on December 11, 2022, 01:05:10 PM
Nah, it'd be much more expensive. Whatever the Bolt EUV is, it nails it. Great car that drives and feels much nicer than the pricetag suggests.
AWD is also much less efficient. There's more of a range hit from AWD than decent tires. I don't see much need for AWD. I've driven to work in my Miata in the snow all week without much issue.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 15, 2022, 10:36:04 PM
AWD is also much less efficient. There's more of a range hit from AWD than decent tires. I don't see much need for AWD. I've driven to work in my Miata in the snow all week without much issue.
EV6 LR batt AWD: 274 miles
EV6 LR batt RWD: 310 miles
That's a 12% range reduction. Not the end of the world. But yeah, people have been absolutely fine with FWD for many decades.
These wheels looks awesome, I should get some.
(https://i.redd.it/u9rxitk94bqa1.jpg)
Hou should get ultra light forged 13" wheels, or the smallest that fit over the brakes
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 27, 2023, 12:20:17 PM
Hou should get ultra light forged 13" wheels, or the smallest that fit over the brakes
I looked at getting 16" wheels before I bought the CrossClimate 2s in December. Would probably have better ride quality
Those do look really good. I saw that earlier on Reddit. I like the gold + red combo.
How did the CrossClimates impact range and efficiency? That's probably what I'll go with once these stock tires wear out in a couple years.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 27, 2023, 12:25:24 PM
I looked at getting 16" wheels before I bought the CrossClimate 2s in December. Would probably have better ride quality
I love fat tires. They make all the sense on these crappy public roads. I have convinced more than one person to give up their rubber band tires.
Quote from: MrH on March 27, 2023, 01:24:51 PM
How did the CrossClimates impact range and efficiency? That's probably what I'll go with once these stock tires wear out in a couple years.
Probably reduces range by a couple percent. I don't have great numbers yet since winter range is all over the place depending on temp and snow. I'll know a bit better this summer. They're totally worth it though, great grip in snow and dry. I floored it at a light today with no wheelspin.
With good spring weather, the car is averaging like 4.2 mi/kwh with the CrossClimates. Not a huge difference with decent weather and some miles on the tires. (I've heard brand new CrossClimates have more rolling resistance that affects the range)
My dad is getting 4.6 on his OEM tires. Range estimates are well above spec.
That sounds about right from what I've heard. OEM tires can be in the mid 4s and regular tires are closer to 4. The past 2 weeks I've actually been down to around 3.7 driving at 80 mph on the freeway.
The flip down cover for the sun visor mirror snapped off recently. I think I'll use this opportunity to upgrade to a 2018+ visor that extends
I just looked up the Bolt 1/4 mile time. Around 15 seconds @ 92.7 mph. AKA it's top speed. It hits the speed limiter in less than a 1/4 mile.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 10, 2023, 04:22:40 PMI just looked up the Bolt 1/4 mile time. Around 15 seconds @ 92.7 mph. AKA it's top speed. It hits the speed limiter in less than a 1/4 mile.
LOLOLOL
I found TUNDRA's limiter just shy of 110. I don't think it ever needs to go that fast again.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 10, 2023, 04:22:40 PMI just looked up the Bolt 1/4 mile time. Around 15 seconds @ 92.7 mph. AKA it's top speed. It hits the speed limiter in less than a 1/4 mile.
So wild. I really don't care much about ICE hp anymore- can't really compare. (except for more than a few rapid accelerations in a row..... :thumbsup: )
The Bolt's A/C can't always keep up with the 100 degree heat here. I finally got the windows tinted today, hopefully that helps. Went with Autobahn i3 ceramic 30%.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 11, 2023, 05:22:18 PMThe Bolt's A/C can't always keep up with the 100 degree heat here. I finally got the windows tinted today, hopefully that helps. Went with Autobahn i3 ceramic 30%.
IMG_0949.jpg
You already have electricity, so you can skip the generator.
I might need to check the A/C pressure but it's the newer refrigerant and idk if I feel like buying it myself, would probably just take it to a shop
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 11, 2023, 06:50:59 PMI might need to check the A/C pressure but it's the newer refrigerant and idk if I feel like buying it myself, would probably just take it to a shop
1234567yf is expensive AF
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 11, 2023, 05:22:18 PMThe Bolt's A/C can't always keep up with the 100 degree heat here. I finally got the windows tinted today, hopefully that helps. Went with Autobahn i3 ceramic 30%.
This is a whinge I have about newer cars. The a/c on my 2010 Infiniti will freeze the bollocks off an arctic seal at 20 paces. My 2021 Mazda's a/c is completely pathetic (tho' marginally helped by ventilated seats.) The a/c on the 2018 CRV I had was equally worthless.
This is because of environmentalists insisting on organic kombucha tea for the refrigerant.
Got the AC recharged today. They did a leak test too and couldn't find anything.
Other than recalls this is only the second thing it's been in the shop for. (First time was the bad security module when I tried to program a new key)
Big maintenance today - new hatchback lift supports!
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 01, 2023, 06:48:12 PMBig maintenance today - new hatchback lift supports!
Wow, what a lemon.
I'm gonna buy a level 2 charger for Christmas. We have a subpanel in the garage so it should be cheap to get an outlet installed right next to it (just to the side of the garage door)
I'm looking at the Grizzl-E Classic since I don't need wifi or anything fancy. I just need to decide between NEMA 6-50 and 14-50. I want an outlet that can also support a welder, which would normally be a 6-50. But it seems like everyone is going with 14-50 nowadays, and it does seem more adaptable.
Fun fun fun!
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 19, 2023, 04:21:31 PMI'm gonna buy a level 2 charger for Christmas. We have a subpanel in the garage so it should be cheap to get an outlet installed right next to it (just to the side of the garage door)
I'm looking at the Grizzl-E Classic since I don't need wifi or anything fancy. I just need to decide between NEMA 6-50 and 14-50. I want an outlet that can also support a welder, which would normally be a 6-50. But it seems like everyone is going with 14-50 nowadays, and it does seem more adaptable.
Awesome. How are you charging the Bolt, ahem, currently?
(2024 project but.. this house has two single garage doors, with room between them for a wall connector that would cover both bays. I like the idea of hanging the cable from a tool balancer to keep it off the floor.)
Yeah, how have you been charging this entire time...??? :confused:
We've just been using the level 1 charger for years. It's been fine. Only times it wasn't enough was when we drive 60+ miles Saturday and then again on Sunday, but we could find a public charger while we're out and about, or drive a different car one of the days.
For commuting the level 1 has always been plenty
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 20, 2023, 07:38:23 AMWe've just been using the level 1 charger for years. It's been fine. Only times it wasn't enough was when we drive 60+ miles Saturday and then again on Sunday, but we could find a public charger while we're out and about, or drive a different car one of the days.
For commuting the level 1 has always been plenty
?!
Wow. I had to level 1 charge for a week while waiting for my level 2 charger. There is no way I could put up with that long term.
When we first bought the car, we didn't even have level 1 at home since we were in an apartment. I had to charge it at my office or the library 10 blocks away.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 20, 2023, 07:38:23 AMFor commuting the level 1 has always been plenty
I would guess for "most" people they could get by for 5 days of commuting IF they could fully top off during weekend.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 20, 2023, 08:57:15 AMI would guess for "most" people they could get by for 5 days of commuting IF they could fully top off during weekend.
Yep the weekends really help to get back up to 100%.
It's currently only commuting 6 miles/day since we moved into our new house, so we only have to plug it in once a week to make up for that.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 20, 2023, 09:20:51 AMYep the weekends really help to get back up to 100%.
It's currently only commuting 6 miles/day since we moved into our new house, so we only have to plug it in once a week to make up for that.
:rockon:
I would expect my EV experience to be the same. I live close to work so it would only need to charge up ~10-20 miles of usage each night anyway, and then it would have most of the weekend to recharge.
Charger is installed!
(https://i.imgur.com/7CYFDSw.jpg)
The subpanel has a breaker on the main panel that keeps tripping, even after I turned down the amp setting on the charger. Might need to replace it, hopefully it's just old and a new one might fix it. It's a double breaker and only 1 side is tripping so it seems like an age issue.
I don't understand how only 1 pole on a 2 pole breaker trips... That should not be possible
The connector between the two isn't very stiff or sturdy, so that alone probably warrants replacement.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 09, 2023, 01:25:37 PMThe subpanel has a breaker on the main panel that keeps tripping, even after I turned down the amp setting on the charger. Might need to replace it, hopefully it's just old and a new one might fix it. It's a double breaker and only 1 side is tripping so it seems like an age issue.
What's the breaker's limit and what are you trying to run the charger at?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 09, 2023, 06:29:16 PMThe connector between the two isn't very stiff or sturdy, so that alone probably warrants replacement.
I'd turn that off pronto. The charger is only getting 1/2 voltage on that odd config, which means if it doesn't trip off the breaker that on is pulling 2x the amps which could lead to a fire
I'm just guessing that as soon as the one phase breaks the charger shuts off so the other power is safe?
Quote from: MrH on December 09, 2023, 07:00:08 PMWhat's the breaker's limit and what are you trying to run the charger at?
40a breaker, so I'm well under the limits. Started at 32a, went down to 24a, and now I'm at 16a and it's finally not tripping.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 09, 2023, 09:42:45 PMI'm just guessing that as soon as the one phase breaks the charger shuts off so the other power is safe?
Yeah the charger shuts off
I'm guessing there's been an upswing in people scrutinizing their electric feeds: capacities, panels, breakers etc. I think these L2 chargers can go to 48A - which needs a 60A double-pole breaker.
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 10, 2023, 06:24:18 AMI'm guessing there's been an upswing in people scrutinizing their electric feeds: capacities, panels, breakers etc. I think these L2 chargers can go to 48A - which needs a 60A double-pole breaker.
Especially in my 1974 house.
I realized this week that most of my house project list is electrical. Car charger, lighting in a few rooms, replacing old outlets/switches, and eventually solar and battery storage.
Is there a way to limit the AC charging rate in the Bolt? I know Teslas have the feature because they are famous for owners not doing it and tripping off L2 chargers
If you can it should be limited below 7.5kw/h
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 10, 2023, 10:13:46 AMEspecially in my 1974 house.
I realized this week that most of my house project list is electrical. Car charger, lighting in a few rooms, replacing old outlets/switches, and eventually solar and battery storage.
My son's in a 1955 mid-century modern. They had to get the utility to bump up the gauge of the service feed to something like 250A to accommodate all the upgrades they were doing inside, which included an EV charger outlet.
Quote from: r0tor on December 10, 2023, 11:15:53 AMIs there a way to limit the AC charging rate in the Bolt? I know Teslas have the feature because they are famous for owners not doing it and tripping off L2 chargers
If you can it should be limited below 7.5kw/h
Earlier Bolts are limited to 7.7 kw charging (2023 models can go up 11.5)
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 10, 2023, 11:21:17 AMMy son's in a 1955 mid-century modern. They had to get the utility to bump up the gauge of the service feed to something like 250A to accommodate all the upgrades they were doing inside, which included an EV charger outlet.
Yeah I'm gonna need to increase from 100a to 200a/250a for solar/battery storage. I think I might be lucky and it'll be cheaper than usual, since the wire to the house is above ground and the breaker panel is next to the meter, so it's all right there and easy to upgrade.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 10, 2023, 11:53:47 AMEarlier Bolts are limited to 7.7 kw charging (2023 models can go up 11.5)
My question was if you can limit the charge rate in the infotainment somewhere like a Tesla. The Bolt is capable of pulling in way more than a household L2 will provide. A Tesla is similar and owners need to manually set a limiter.
My experience with installing Chargepoint chargers is the chargers are massively poor at self limiting and cars by default will try to pull as much as they are capable of - and in the case of Tesla will trip breakers if not limited.
Quote from: r0tor on December 10, 2023, 06:36:14 PMMy question was if you can limit the charge rate in the infotainment somewhere like a Tesla. The Bolt is capable of pulling in way more than a household L2 will provide. A Tesla is similar and owners need to manually set a limiter.
My experience with installing Chargepoint chargers is the chargers are massively poor at self limiting and cars by default will try to pull as much as they are capable of - and in the case of Tesla will trip breakers if not limited.
Installers have an app they use when commissioning the Tesla wall connector, where they set the breaker size. If they did that right, the car should never pull more than the connector tells it it can handle.
Quote from: r0tor on December 10, 2023, 06:36:14 PMMy question was if you can limit the charge rate in the infotainment somewhere like a Tesla. The Bolt is capable of pulling in way more than a household L2 will provide. A Tesla is similar and owners need to manually set a limiter.
My experience with installing Chargepoint chargers is the chargers are massively poor at self limiting and cars by default will try to pull as much as they are capable of - and in the case of Tesla will trip breakers if not limited.
The Bolt's onboard AC charger is only 32a/7.7 kw. Only the DC charger can go higher
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 10, 2023, 10:06:48 PMThe Bolt's onboard AC charger is only 32a/7.7 kw. Only the DC charger can go higher
Keep in mind 7.7KW is a full 40A or more depending on power factor.
Quote from: r0tor on December 11, 2023, 07:26:25 AMKeep in mind 7.7KW is a full 40A or more depending on power factor.
The power factor is over 9000
A new 50a breaker on the main panel seems to have fixed it. The wiring between the panel and subpanel is beefy enough for even more than 50a, which is surprising but nice
A larger fuse easily solves many electrical problems. :lol:
A new 40a would have fixed it too, but might as well match the subpanel's breaker.
The Bolt's windshield washer pump wasn't working last week. It has two pumps, for the front and rear, but they share a fuse. Neither was working, so I checked & replaced the fuse. It all works fine now, but I'm curious if it will pop the fuse again soon. I hope not, because I think replacing the pump(s) would require removing the front bumper.
I finally replaced the headlight bulbs today. The driver's side HID bulb has been on & off since this summer. Replacing them involves almost taking off the whole front bumper to get to the last bolt holding the housing on, since there's not enough clearance behind the housing to swap the bulb while it's in the car.
Took about 2 hours to swap both bulbs, but I think it would only take an hour if I did it again. I've heard shops charge $500-800 to do the job, definitely not worth paying that much. I got Hella bulbs from RockAuto for $40 each.
I'm hoping the bulb was the issue and not the ballast, otherwise I'll have to take it all apart again and the ballasts are like $130.
The car has 121k miles now. All the EV stuff is still rock-solid but the other normal car parts need some maintenance now, as you can tell from the last page or two of this thread.
Still that's a lot better than oil changes and timing belts and... and....
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 20, 2024, 05:12:38 PMStill that's a lot better than oil changes and timing belts and... and....
... suspension bushings, steering bushings, dampers. The degradation introducing slop & looseness so slowly you don't notice it.