How about instead of ticketing speeding they ticket everyone with those lame license plate covers?
They serve NO legitimate purpose. I saw one the other day that was so dark that during regular daylight (slightly overcast) I could not see the plate.
Oh and ticket idiots without lights working. Just sit at a stoplight and watch whoever's brake lights don't work. Or have turn signals doing the double-fast blink because one is burnt out.
I have never understood the point of license plate covers. Why do people install them? It is to intentionally obscure their license plate...?
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 10, 2018, 07:40:59 AM
I have never understood the point of license plate covers. Why do people install them? It is to intentionally obscure their license plate...?
Yes, so red-light or speed cameras don't nab them.
Nothing says "pull me over" quite like a license plate cover.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 10, 2018, 08:06:52 AM
Nothing says "pull me over" quite like a license plate cover.
Should be guaranteed pull over and ticket. But I don't think I've ever seen action.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 10, 2018, 09:03:24 AM
Should be guaranteed pull over and ticket. But I don't think I've ever seen action.
It's one of those things they use when they're looking for a reason to pull you over.
Lemme add to the list people with head lights burnt out OR not on at all!
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 10, 2018, 12:01:16 PM
Lemme add to the list people with head lights burnt out OR not on at all!
I've been guilty of the head lights not turned on. I get spoiled with the AUTO setting on the headlight's switch and expect it to be consistently set. I recently had service on our car and returning from the movies one evening, this guy kept flashing his lights behind me. Couldn't figure out what his problem was and, as he pulled up beside me, my wife rolled the window down ready to give he a piece of her mind, but before she could do that he yelled "your lights are off". Apparently, during the service, they had turned the head light switch to off. I have to admit, after having the car for a year, I couldn't, at the moment figure out where the head light switch was, besides, we were only a couple of block away from home.
Auto headlights seem to have made the problem worse.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: instruments and other dash lights that are always on should be illegal.
Quote from: 93JC on January 10, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: instruments and other dash lights that are always on should be illegal.
Unfortunately new dashes are all electronic screens. I didn't realize headlights were off in company van at night. Lots of streetlights so didn't need them to see. Got pulled over. Stupid dash was bright as bright could be.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 10, 2018, 01:00:12 PM
Auto headlights seem to have made the problem worse.
Yes, it's like how a muscle atrophies if you don't use it.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 10, 2018, 01:32:41 PM
Unfortunately new dashes are all electronic screens. I didn't realize headlights were off in company van at night. Lots of streetlights so didn't need them to see. Got pulled over. Stupid dash was bright as bright could be.
If the vehicles sense that it's dark outside & the lights aren't on, it should turn on a loud buzzer.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 10, 2018, 01:57:34 PM
If the vehicles sense that it's dark outside & the lights aren't on, it should turn on a loud buzzer.
Or, it could just turn the lights on.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 10, 2018, 01:32:41 PM
Unfortunately new dashes are all electronic screens.
I stand by what I said. If there are knock-on ramifications to the interior design of new cars that preclude the (over-)use of certain technologies, so be it.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 10, 2018, 01:00:12 PM
Auto headlights seem to have made the problem worse.
And DTRLs that, to idiots, seem as bright as headlights. Plus their dashboard lights are always on, so, eh, everything is normal!
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 10, 2018, 01:32:41 PM
Unfortunately new dashes are all electronic screens. I didn't realize headlights were off in company van at night. Lots of streetlights so didn't need them to see. Got pulled over. Stupid dash was bright as bright could be.
Checking to see that your headlights are on at night should be as instinctual as putting on your seat belt. And by that I mean physically reaching down and, god forbid, checking to make sure the headlight switch is "on."
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 10, 2018, 05:25:49 PM
Checking to see that your headlights are on at night should be as instinctual as putting on your seat belt. And by that I mean physically reaching down and, god forbid, checking to make sure the headlight switch is "on."
DRLs do make things a bit more complicated.
Quote from: Laconian on January 10, 2018, 06:18:54 PM
DRLs do make things a bit more complicated.
Not really. (Physically) check that your headlights are on if it's dark. It's that simple.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 10, 2018, 06:39:36 PM
Not really. Check that your headlights are on if it's dark. It's that simple.
Can't I just ask Alexa is they're on?
Quote from: 93JC on January 10, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: instruments and other dash lights that are always on should be illegal.
Or those cars (all of them) should come with auto lights where either you can't turn the auto feature off, or it's not intuitive and then resets next time you start the car.
Quote from: Rupert on January 10, 2018, 07:12:50 PM
Or those cars (all of them) should come with auto lights where either you can't turn the auto feature off, or it's not intuitive and then resets next time you start the car.
Corvette resets each time to auto.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 10, 2018, 05:24:41 PM
And DTRLs that, to idiots, seem as bright as headlights. Plus their dashboard lights are always on, so, eh, everything is normal!
Yup! See this all the time!
Quote from: 93JC on January 10, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: instruments and other dash lights that are always on should be illegal.
Also this! Even with the lil indicator to let you know if your lights are on it's still no good!
if your car has an auto light system, I don't see the need to even have a switch.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 10, 2018, 08:16:40 PM
if your car has an auto light system, I don't see the need to even have a switch.
I disagree. There are lots of times where I'd like to have my lights on where an automatic switch may not turn them on.
A heavier daytime snowfall, for instance.
I run my headlights on a lot. Makes you more visible. Makes it a lot easier for people driving into the sun to see you coming.
You may need to turn the lights on in inclement weather during the day or turn them off while the car is running at night. I like having total control of my lights at all times. And I also despise DRLs with a passion. I love that I can turn them off in the Vette! In my corolla I snipped the wire that controls the DRLs........
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 10, 2018, 08:21:43 PM
I disagree. There are lots of times where I'd like to have my lights on where an automatic switch may not turn them on.
A heavier daytime snowfall, for instance.
I run my headlights on a lot. Makes you more visible. Makes it a lot easier for people driving into the sun to see you coming.
DRLs are mandatory up here. Some lights are on whenever the car is running.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 10, 2018, 08:21:46 PM
You may need to turn the lights on in inclement weather during the day or turn them off while the car is running at night. I like having total control of my lights at all times. And I also despise DRLs with a passion. I love that I can turn them off in the Vette! In my corolla I snipped the wire that controls the DRLs........
Why is that? I never quite understood that sentiment.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 10, 2018, 08:27:20 PM
DRLs are mandatory up here. Some lights are on whenever the car is running.
DRLs are dimmer than headlights and don't include tail lights...it's not equivalent.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 10, 2018, 08:28:14 PM
Why is that? I never quite understood that sentiment.
I just think cars look goofy driving around with dim headlights on all day.
Goofiness inspires passion?
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 10, 2018, 08:16:40 PM
if your car has an auto light system, I don't see the need to even have a switch.
Drive any GM car on auto on a grey overcast day and you'll watch the lights continually go on and off on about a 15 second cycle. Most people don't even notice, but it drives me nuts.
I Want to turn the lights on and off. Sometimes I want em in the day. Maybe I want to signal somebody with them. Maybe I want to sit on a hillside and make obscene Morse code messages to passing airplanes.
Maybe I want to sit in my car at night with the sunroof open listening to the radio and look at the stars with the
Lights off.
Just because you don't see a reason for it doesn't mean there isn't one.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 10, 2018, 09:51:15 PM
Drive any GM car on auto on a grey overcast day and you'll watch the lights continually go on and off on about a 15 second cycle. Most people don't even notice, but it drives me nuts.
I Want to turn the lights on and off. Sometimes I want em in the day. Maybe I want to signal somebody with them. Maybe I want to sit on a hillside and make obscene Morse code messages to passing airplanes.
Maybe I want to sit in my car at night with the sunroof open listening to the radio and look at the stars with the
Lights off.
Just because you don't see a reason for it doesn't mean there isn't one.
+1
Give me full control. And give me real gauges, not a damn screen with digital gauges.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 10, 2018, 09:19:12 PM
I just think cars look goofy driving around with dim headlights on all day.
Do you not think that the reason for DRLs is valid?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 10, 2018, 09:51:15 PM
Drive any GM car on auto on a grey overcast day and you'll watch the lights continually go on and off on about a 15 second cycle. Most people don't even notice, but it drives me nuts.
I Want to turn the lights on and off. Sometimes I want em in the day. Maybe I want to signal somebody with them. Maybe I want to sit on a hillside and make obscene Morse code messages to passing airplanes.
Maybe I want to sit in my car at night with the sunroof open listening to the radio and look at the stars with the
Lights off.
Just because you don't see a reason for it doesn't mean there isn't one.
I don't see a reason for a lot of things whereas others might...freedom on thought and all that.
What does listening to a radio at night have to do with the car's lights?
I have had many times where I need to have my vehicle running in campgrounds or parking lots but I do not want my DRLs annoying other people. In my Suburban I can put on the parking brake and it will override the DRLs but I have not found a way to do that in my BMW. There are also drive through Christmas light displays around here where you are supposed to turn your lights off as you drive through but many cars won't give you that option.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 11, 2018, 10:02:30 AM
Do you not think that the reason for DRLs is valid?
If you think all cars should have automatic lights and no switch, then the default should be always on. Fuck that.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 11, 2018, 11:56:26 AM
If you think all cars should have automatic lights and no switch, then the default should be always on. Fuck that.
There are daytime and nighttime/darkness modes.
Just FYI, the reason you could get a vehicle with the autolamps turned off after service is because of weak batteries. You have to leave the key on to perform some electronic testing procedures and a weak battery with die a painful death, causing us techs to have to recharge the goddamn thing for nothing, and typically a pissed off customer saying "It wasn't like that when I brought it in! I want a new battery!"
Ya, right. The fucking thing is 5 years old, but it's my fault it died. :facepalm:
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 11, 2018, 10:02:30 AM
Do you not think that the reason for DRLs is valid?
No.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 11, 2018, 10:07:44 AM
I don't see a reason for a lot of things whereas others might...freedom on thought and all that.
What does listening to a radio at night have to do with the car's lights?
Maybe I don't want to be that asshole shining his lights for no reason? It also helps your eyes adjust to the darkness better.
There are also tunnels, campgrounds where driving around at night with just the parking lights on is a lot more polite than blinding every poor sap in the place, and about a dozen or so other reasons that just haven't occurred to me yet.
This argument is one step above Rotor's "why would you want to adjust the heating vents" argument.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2018, 12:58:54 PM
No.
Whether you accept it or not, studies show that DRLs do reduce crash rates.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Maybe I don't want to be that asshole shining his lights for no reason? It also helps your eyes adjust to the darkness better.
There are also tunnels, campgrounds where driving around at night with just the parking lights on is a lot more polite than blinding every poor sap in the place, and about a dozen or so other reasons that just haven't occurred to me yet.
This argument is one step above Rotor's "why would you want to adjust the heating vents" argument.
I would concur with most of your reasons, but how is it going to help your eyes adjust to the darkness better?
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 11, 2018, 01:43:45 PM
I would concur with most of your reasons, but how is it going to help your eyes adjust to the darkness better?
Having the lights off? How do you not know this.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 11, 2018, 01:42:29 PM
Whether you accept it or not, studies show that DRLs do reduce crash rates.
The studies I know of were done in one of two ways;
The first one is doing a controlled test, measuring th distance from which people could spot a car on a road.
The second one was looking at statistics and finding crash rates differed between drivers who kept their lights on and which ones didn't.
The first the answer is rather obvious; the second one is not controlled for any number of driver's behaviors and is inconclusive.
People will also point to different injury/fatality rates before and after DRLS became mandatory. Again; lots of other things happened in that time frame and that in no way can be considered a controlled test.
I maintain that there are times when having lights on makes sense and times when it doesn't; and educating people on using them in low visibility situations would be more sensible and effective.
As the NHTSA concluding in this study, the results were "not statistically significant" https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811029
DRLs first became popular on Volvos, and the data they gathered was from Nordic countries that have significantly more grey and darker days than most of the US and even most populous places in Canada. This makes sense to me, but also reinforces that lights are effective in (shockingly) low light conditions.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2018, 02:01:03 PM
Having the lights off? How do you not know this.
It takes mere seconds, 2 or 3, for my old eyes to adjust to darkness.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 11, 2018, 10:02:30 AM
Do you not think that the reason for DRLs is valid?
Not really! Motorcycles should be the ONLY vehicles with Headlights on during daylight hours! Maybe THAT would save a few lives per year!
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2018, 02:12:03 PM
The studies I know of were done in one of two ways;
The first one is doing a controlled test, measuring th distance from which people could spot a car on a road.
The second one was looking at statistics and finding crash rates differed between drivers who kept their lights on and which ones didn't.
The first the answer is rather obvious; the second one is not controlled for any number of driver's behaviors and is inconclusive.
People will also point to different injury/fatality rates before and after DRLS became mandatory. Again; lots of other things happened in that time frame and that in no way can be considered a controlled test.
I maintain that there are times when having lights on makes sense and times when it doesn't; and educating people on using them in low visibility situations would be more sensible and effective.
As the NHTSA concluding in this study, the results were "not statistically significant" https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811029
DRLs first became popular on Volvos, and the data they gathered was from Nordic countries that have significantly more grey and darker days than most of the US and even most populous places in Canada. This makes sense to me, but also reinforces that lights are effective in (shockingly) low light conditions.
There will always be questions concerning the results of testing.
The first time I became aware of DRLs, or DRL as it was a single small light similar to what one might see attached to a truck's roof stuck in the middle of the grille, was on a friend's '63 Plymouth Fury which was some sort of option back then. I thought it was kind of silly. I also thought seat belts were kind of silly as well back then.
I do believe now that DRLs do help to make vehicles more visible, even on a bright day when visibility is not impaired. Not so much in the sense that we can't see the vehicle, but more in that sense that we notice it. This may be because so much of driving becomes a reflexive process and glancing becomes the norm rather than looking. Glancing at something lit up is more likely to be noticed.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 11, 2018, 03:05:06 PM
Not really! Motorcycles should be the ONLY vehicles with Headlights on during daylight hours! Maybe THAT would save a few lives per year!
That is true regarding motorcycles. It seems many drivers do not notice motorcycles approaching even when in plain view; something about expecting only to see cars.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 11, 2018, 02:54:18 PM
It takes mere seconds, 2 or 3, for my old eyes to adjust to darkness.
No it doesn't.
It takes 2 or 3 seconds for them to start to. It takes about 20 minutes for them to finish.
But even if those two or three are all you need; why leave lights on you don't want just so you have to wait there?
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 11, 2018, 03:08:58 PM
There will always be questions concerning the results of testing.
The first time I became aware of DRLs, or DRL as it was a single small light similar to what one might see attached to a truck's roof stuck in the middle of the grille, was on a friend's '63 Plymouth Fury which was some sort of option back then. I thought it was kind of silly. I also thought seat belts were kind of silly as well back then.
I do believe now that DRLs do help to make vehicles more visible, even on a bright day when visibility is not impaired. Not so much in the sense that we can't see the vehicle, but more in that sense that we notice it. This may be because so much of driving becomes a reflexive process and glancing becomes the norm rather than looking. Glancing at something lit up is more likely to be noticed.
So you've gone from "studies show" to "this is what I think," which makes your opinion no more valid than mine now.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2018, 03:11:59 PM
No it doesn't.
It takes 2 or 3 seconds for them to start to. It takes about 20 minutes for them to finish.
But even if those two or three are all you need; why leave lights on you don't want just so you have to wait there?
I suppose I don't park any place that's that dark anymore.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2018, 03:13:08 PM
So you've gone from "studies show" to "this is what I think," which makes your opinion no more valid than mine now.
I'm willing to adjust my opinion if I become convinced that there is more merit to a different or enhanced view. Certainly your opinion is as valid as mine, from your perspective. As insinuated, I've changed my opinion on both DRLs and seat belts over the years.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 11, 2018, 02:54:18 PM
It takes mere seconds, 2 or 3, for my old eyes to adjust to darkness.
No, it doesn't, especially after an intense bright light like a headlight.
"Human eyes take several hours to fully adapt to darkness and reach their optimal sensitivity to low light conditions. The quickest gains in vision sensitivity are made in the first few minutes after exposure to darkness. For this reason, many people think that after only a few minutes, their eyes have reached their peak sensitivity."http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/08/09/how-long-does-it-take-our-eyes-to-fully-adapt-to-darkness/
(http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/images/darkadaptationcurve.gif)
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 11, 2018, 03:46:28 PM
No, it doesn't, especially after an intense bright light like a headlight.
"Human eyes take several hours to fully adapt to darkness and reach their optimal sensitivity to low light conditions. The quickest gains in vision sensitivity are made in the first few minutes after exposure to darkness. For this reason, many people think that after only a few minutes, their eyes have reached their peak sensitivity."
http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/08/09/how-long-does-it-take-our-eyes-to-fully-adapt-to-darkness/
(http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/images/darkadaptationcurve.gif)
I only base my view on personal observation.
When getting up in the middle of the night to use the washroom, which happens far too frequently, I walk down a very dimly lighted hallway to the washroom where I turn the light on because it's really dark in there. Upon returning, I switch the light off and enter the very dimly lit hallway where I see practically nothing. Within 2 to 3 seconds, my vision has adjusted whereby everything looks pretty much the same as when I first walked down the hall from the opposite direction.
Perhaps if I waited for 50 minutes, I might see slightly better in the dark, but we should know that, when driving, we don't stare at the bright lights coming towards us because the 2 or 3 seconds that it takes our eyes to readjust could be fatal.
Fun fact, sailors wore eyepatches so they could maintain night vision on one eye at all times. If they had to go below deck, they'd move the patch to the other eye.
Quote from: Laconian on January 11, 2018, 04:51:27 PM
Fun fact, sailors wore eyepatches so they could maintain night vision on one eye at all times. If they had to go below deck, they'd move the patch to the other eye.
I should try that when I have to go to the washroom at night. I have, at times, kept one eye closed after turning the light on so that I wouldn't have to wait the 2 or 3 seconds for my vision to adjust after turning the light off. It works.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 11, 2018, 05:07:40 PM
I should try that when I have to go to the washroom at night. I have, at times, kept one eye closed after turning the light on so that I wouldn't have to wait the 2 or 3 seconds for my vision to adjust after turning the light off. It works.
Arrr, an' maybe ye wench would be into having a pirate in the bedroom, arrr
Quote from: Laconian on January 11, 2018, 08:27:08 PM
Arrr, an' maybe ye wench would be into having a pirate in the bedroom, arrr
She'd be more likely to call for an ambulance.
There are a lot of instances during daylight where DRLs are good, or at least better than nothing. Dim skies at dawn and dusk, rain, heavy cloud cover, long tunnels, sun directly behind you, etc. A lot of people don't turn their lights on in these situations, and IMO that ranges from unimportant to dangerous depending on the conditions. It's amazing to me that people don't turn their lights on in the rain in a place like Seattle, you'd think they would be used to it!
I would like to see all cars with DRLs that include rear lights. Headlights on any car, especially with an always lit dash, should be automatic and come on in dim conditions as well as night (auto lights I've seen have all had a few seconds delay so they don't go on and off every time you drive through a shadow). All cars should have lights that come on when the wipers are in one of the middle delay settings.
All auto lights should have an off switch, but then go back to auto the next time the car is started. I think GM (?) trucks (?) have a switch that goes off (until the transmission is put back in drive or reverse IIRC), auto, parking, on. I think fog lights should be able to be put on with the brights and without the lows on at all, though this should probably not be real intuitive (the 944 can do it, you turn the headlights on, then the fogs, then turn the headlights to parking only). I don't really see many reasons to turn DRLs off (sorry GQC6), but I'd be good with having that option, especially if the full headlights are automatic and come on in dim conditions.
All these new features and safety regs...Jesus, I have to know them as part of my job, but I just get tired of idiots that can't operate a car when the stupid electronic shit fails.
In 1965, the shit didn't exist, and somehow they made it without it. I hate modern car turn signals, controlling then is distracting. And lane change warnings. And adaptive cruise control. And complex audio system controls. And ridiculous, over complicated electronic automatic temperature controls. And back up cameras, don't trust them. And fucking power tailgates. If you can't lift a tailgate, then buy a fucking car.
Even electronic engine controls, and trouble codes and all the rest.
That's why I love my old truck. None of that stupid shit.
The Mazda has a blurry license plate cover. Maybe I'll take it off when it's renewal time.
(nevermind the fact that it renews in June and I'll have forgotten all about this thread by then)
Quote from: Rupert on January 11, 2018, 09:49:45 PM
There are a lot of instances during daylight where DRLs are good, or at least better than nothing. Dim skies at dawn and dusk, rain, heavy cloud cover, long tunnels, sun directly behind you, etc. A lot of people don't turn their lights on in these situations, and IMO that ranges from unimportant to dangerous depending on the conditions. It's amazing to me that people don't turn their lights on in the rain in a place like Seattle, you'd think they would be used to it!
I would like to see all cars with DRLs that include rear lights. Headlights on any car, especially with an always lit dash, should be automatic and come on in dim conditions as well as night (auto lights I've seen have all had a few seconds delay so they don't go on and off every time you drive through a shadow). All cars should have lights that come on when the wipers are in one of the middle delay settings.
All auto lights should have an off switch, but then go back to auto the next time the car is started. I think GM (?) trucks (?) have a switch that goes off (until the transmission is put back in drive or reverse IIRC), auto, parking, on. I think fog lights should be able to be put on with the brights and without the lows on at all, though this should probably not be real intuitive (the 944 can do it, you turn the headlights on, then the fogs, then turn the headlights to parking only). I don't really see many reasons to turn DRLs off (sorry GQC6), but I'd be good with having that option, especially if the full headlights are automatic and come on in dim conditions.
It's a state law here in Ohio that you must have you headlights on any time you're using your wipers! As far as off switched the C6 DRLs can be switched off but will come back on after a restart! Honestly they aren't as bad as the (dim) Headlight style since they use the Blinkers. But I still don't like them..........
Quote from: shp4man on January 11, 2018, 11:36:17 PM
All these new features and safety regs...Jesus, I have to know them as part of my job, but I just get tired of idiots that can't operate a car when the stupid electronic shit fails.
In 1965, the shit didn't exist, and somehow they made it without it. I hate modern car turn signals, controlling then is distracting. And lane change warnings. And adaptive cruise control. And complex audio system controls. And ridiculous, over complicated electronic automatic temperature controls. And back up cameras, don't trust them. And fucking power tailgates. If you can't lift a tailgate, then buy a fucking car.
Even electronic engine controls, and trouble codes and all the rest.
That's why I love my old truck. None of that stupid shit.
I think some of these things are part of the reason why some mid-'80s SUVs are fetching as much as 30 grand.
They had what people really want, and not much more.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2018, 08:01:29 PM
I think some of these things are part of the reason why some mid-'80s SUVs are fetching as much as 30 grand.
They had what people really want, and not much more.
+7
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2018, 08:01:29 PM
I think some of these things are part of the reason why some mid-'80s SUVs are fetching as much as 30 grand.
They had what people really want, and not much more.
I've been watching K5 Blazers! Those things are bringing big bucks!
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 11, 2018, 03:46:28 PM
No, it doesn't, especially after an intense bright light like a headlight.
"Human eyes take several hours to fully adapt to darkness and reach their optimal sensitivity to low light conditions. The quickest gains in vision sensitivity are made in the first few minutes after exposure to darkness. For this reason, many people think that after only a few minutes, their eyes have reached their peak sensitivity."
http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/08/09/how-long-does-it-take-our-eyes-to-fully-adapt-to-darkness/
(http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/images/darkadaptationcurve.gif)
This is why for my astronomy class 10yrs ago, the assignments said to read all the assignment instructions, then use red light ONLY if needed, but go outside away from all lights and wait 20min before trying to look for certain features/ constellations.
The reason why mid 80s SUVs are fetching big money is the same reason why 60s/70s muscle cars were huge money a decade ago.
People in their mid 40s remember them from their childhood. Modern base model non-luxury SUVs don't have a lot of the electronic doo-dads like lane departure noises or adaptive cruise control. Who complains about the presence of a back up camera? Auto climate control can always be turned off. Most annoying thing for me are seat belt chimes.
Quote from: veeman on January 14, 2018, 12:52:02 PM
The reason why mid 80s SUVs are fetching big money is the same reason why 60s/70s muscle cars were huge money a decade ago.
People in their mid 40s remember them from their childhood. Modern base model non-luxury SUVs don't have a lot of the electronic doo-dads like lane departure noises or adaptive cruise control. Who complains about the presence of a back up camera? Auto climate control can always be turned off. Most annoying thing for me are seat belt chimes.
Yeah, there are still plenty of things present on even base level SUVs that some find superfluous or annoying.
And to be honest, I don't cate for backup cameras either.
80s Broncos and Wagoneers also have a cool honest ruggedness factor that is missing in new vehicles
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 14, 2018, 01:25:50 PM
80s Broncos and Wagoneers also have a cool honest ruggedness factor that is missing in new vehicles
http://wagonmaster.com/inventory/
Quote from: JWC on January 14, 2018, 01:29:01 PM
http://wagonmaster.com/inventory/
Slightly more reasonable here.
http://www.grandwagoneerbyclassicgentleman.com
I've always liked the Grand Wagoneer. I remember neighbors had a new one when I lived in Livermore in 1977 and I paid them for a ride to work in Menlo Park---a very comfortable commute across the Bay.