The new Supra

Started by Payman, September 07, 2016, 08:34:16 AM

Payman

What got us excited...

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What looks like we are getting...

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MX793

So will this be a 4300 lbs pig based on the Lexus GS like the RC?  Or is this a hot version of the Frisbee?
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I think it's a new platform developed with BMW.

But Toyota being Toyota, made their nose as ugly as can be
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Payman

Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2016, 08:58:05 AM
So will this be a 4300 lbs pig based on the Lexus GS like the RC?  Or is this a hot version of the Frisbee?

Definitely looks like a tarted up 86, and definitely not the Corvette competitor that the prototype promised.

12,000 RPM

It looks like a sports car :huh:

Whatever happened with the LC? That thing came and went like the wind.
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: Rockraven on September 07, 2016, 09:09:41 AM
Definitely looks like a tarted up 86, and definitely not the Corvette competitor that the prototype promised.
How is a tarted up 86 with way more HP and refinement not a Corvette competitor? That actually sounds awesome and a lot like what people wanted the 86 to be in the first place.
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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2016, 09:13:32 AM
How is a tarted up 86 with way more HP and refinement not a Corvette competitor? That actually sounds awesome and a lot like what people wanted the 86 to be in the first place.

In this segment, you need to look the part. It's not only about numbers.

Do you want it with 4 doors as well?

12,000 RPM

Quote from: Rockraven on September 07, 2016, 09:17:46 AM
In this segment, you need to look the part. It's not only about numbers.

Do you want it with 4 doors as well?
In what segment? This looks as sporty as a Cayman or Corvette. Plus it's heavily camouflaged. It's definitely way more aggressive than the 86 too.
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Xer0

The 86 was developed by Subaru so I doubt it's a tarted up frisbee.  It's probably a ground up design. 

Either way, it doesn't look bad so I'm looking forward to it.


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Payman

Quote from: Xer0 on September 07, 2016, 11:24:04 AM
The 86 was developed by Subaru so I doubt it's a tarted up frisbee.  It's probably a ground up design. 

Either way, it doesn't look bad so I'm looking forward to it.


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Apparently it's an all new platform co-developed with BMW. It just looks like a tarted up Frisbee.

12,000 RPM

What about it exactly looks like the Frisbee? The short deck long hood proportions literally every front engine sports car ever has? :confused:

I'm personally excited about this; I thought this project was dead.
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CaminoRacer

Looks kinda disappointing. More downmarket than it should be.
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CALL_911

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2016, 11:40:38 AM
What about it exactly looks like the Frisbee? The short deck long hood proportions literally every front engine sports car ever has? :confused:

I'm personally excited about this; I thought this project was dead.
Agreed


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Payman

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2016, 11:40:38 AM
What about it exactly looks like the Frisbee? The short deck long hood proportions literally every front engine sports car ever has? :confused:

I'm personally excited about this; I thought this project was dead.
Quote from: CALL_911 on September 07, 2016, 11:44:36 AM
Agreed






Payman

I do see some Mustang in it though. If this is its new target, well then a sub-40k Japanese Pony car is good news indeed.

12,000 RPM

I'm really not seeing the problem. It's not like the BRZ is an ugly car, and again this looks way more aggressive.
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Cookie Monster

Quote from: Rockraven on September 07, 2016, 12:32:31 PM
I do see some Mustang in it though. If this is its new target, well then a sub-40k Japanese Pony car is good news indeed.

Considering Rustangs and Cameros are already $40-50k for a decent one there's no way this is coming in under $40k, especially given the FRS/BRZ is a $30k+ car with options.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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CaminoRacer

Definitely more of a Mustang competitor than a Corvette killer.
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2016, 12:41:23 PM
Considering Rustangs and Cameros are already $40-50k for a decent one there's no way this is coming in under $40k, especially given the FRS/BRZ is a $30k+ car with options.
They could pull a Z, but do it right.....
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FlatBlackCaddy

What would be "right" that the Z didn't do.

You really have to consider the price of the Z and realize why it doesn't have Twin turbo's, DSG's and carbon fiber.

It's a light(ish) 30K 2 seat sports car that is actually adequately fast. I think nissan made the right choice with regards to pricing vs performance. That said, I'd love to see the next Z get the company TT V6 and shed maybe 100lbs. For that I'd pay more, but the market as a whole may not.

Payman

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2016, 12:36:57 PM
I'm really not seeing the problem. It's not like the BRZ is an ugly car, and again this looks way more aggressive.

All I'm saying is the show car had the semi-exotic looks that stylistically made it a legitimate Corvette slayer. But to me, stylistically it looks more like a sport coupe in the vein of the Nissan Z and Mustang. But admittedly, we're looking at a camo'd car and it's still to early to say for sure.

12,000 RPM

Quote from: Rockraven on September 07, 2016, 02:20:08 PM
All I'm saying is the show car had the semi-exotic looks that stylistically made it a legitimate Corvette slayer. But to me, stylistically it looks more like a sport coupe in the vein of the Nissan Z and Mustang. But admittedly, we're looking at a camo'd car and it's still to early to say for sure.
You can't beat a benchmark by cloning it and putting your badge on it. Haven't we learned anything from the ATS?

Plus not everyone wants a Corvette. I find the C7 to be ugly and overwrought with cartoonish proportions. This looks way way more appealing to me than a Corvette.... even if it's a gussied up Febreeze. Let's not forget the original Supra was just a fancy Celica :huh:

I think it looks great and should offer a real alternative to the Vette. More legitimate variety is a good thing.
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Quote from: Rockraven on September 07, 2016, 09:09:41 AM
Definitely looks like a tarted up 86, and definitely not the Corvette competitor that the prototype promised.
And nail has been hit on the head........
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Cookie Monster

You guys are really complaining about spy pics of a relatively affordable, RWD sports car? Really? :facepalm:

I'm just excited automakers are still willing to give a damn about fun cars and are willing to take a chance on a not bread-and-butter car. Will I buy one? Probably not, because I want the RX7/RX Vision thing that Mazda is working on, but still, I'm not going to be complaining about shitty pics of a car in camo.

Sheesh.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2016, 05:29:38 PM
You guys are really complaining about spy pics of a relatively affordable, RWD sports car? Really? :facepalm:

I'm just excited automakers are still willing to give a damn about fun cars and are willing to take a chance on a not bread-and-butter car. Will I buy one? Probably not, because I want the RX7/RX Vision thing that Mazda is working on, but still, I'm not going to be complaining about shitty pics of a car in camo.

Sheesh.
I'm complaining about a car priced at 40K that looks just like a 25k BRZ.....
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2016, 05:29:38 PM
You guys are really complaining about spy pics of a relatively affordable, RWD sports car? Really? :facepalm:

I'm just excited automakers are still willing to give a damn about fun cars and are willing to take a chance on a not bread-and-butter car. Will I buy one? Probably not, because I want the RX7/RX Vision thing that Mazda is working on, but still, I'm not going to be complaining about shitty pics of a car in camo.

Sheesh.

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Cookie Monster

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on September 07, 2016, 05:31:47 PM
I'm complaining about a car priced at 40K that looks just like a 25k BRZ.....

You can't tell what it looks like other than the general shape... :wtf: :confused:
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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ifcar

Visually, I agree with the complaints that it's nothing special, unless it's a major trick of the cladding or even some mule parts. I don't know that there's a rule for what a performance car has to look like at a given price point, but it just looks old -- it does look a lot like the FR-S/BRZ, and those were already nothing special visually when they came out four years ago.

On the other hand, I'd still pick understated over garish, and I'd pick either over oversized. It does at least look compact.

Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2016, 05:47:15 PM
You can't tell what it looks like other than the general shape... :wtf: :confused:
Look at the link I posted! Even Ray Charles could see it's a FRS in disguise!
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