Quote from: giant_mtb on May 09, 2024, 04:12:19 PMI believe it's called a recall.

Ironically out of the 4 new vehicles my family purchased in 2022 2023, the Cadillac, the BMW, and the Tesla all did not need a major safety recall that couldn't be done over the air.  Only my father's Toyota, 2022 Tundra, had a major safety recall.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/toyota-tundra-pickup-recalled-for-fire-risk-a3546900499/#:~:text=Toyota%20is%20recalling%20over%20168%2C000,installed%20near%20metallic%20brake%20lines.

Apparently they used some flimsy plastic fuel line that wears through and causes fires.  They didn't have the parts for months, so the trucks were brought in for some temp fix which I think was some zip ties until they could actually fix it.

Also the Toyota needed it to have it's driver's seat plastic panel replaced due to a known issue with it cracking.

It also needed a transmission tuning recall for a known and widespread hesitation issue.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 09, 2024, 03:35:22 PMHow do they fix it if the validators fuck up? Or if they figure out something new or better post-product launch?

I believe it's called a recall.

Quote from: MrH on May 09, 2024, 12:53:10 PMThey validate design and process before selling them to customers.  Crazy idea, I know.

How do they fix it if the validators fuck up? Or if they figure out something new or better post-product launch?

You can feel the difference with MS Windows. They laid off a lot of their QA team and now they just let the "insiders" find the bugs on their home computers for free.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 09, 2024, 12:06:18 PMHow does Toyota get updates out there if it needs to fix something, or improve/add functionality?

They validate design and process before selling them to customers.  Crazy idea, I know.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/05/nissan-allows-dealers-to-sell-cars-at-a-loss-up-to-15-below-invoice-to-spur-sales/

Last few years Nissan has upped their game a lot regarding design and interiors. I know the Altima has a reputation for being driven by asshats. If I was in the market for a Camcord, I'd look at the Altima and if I was in the market for a CRX or RAV4, I'd look at the Rogue. They don't win comparisons but they aren't horrible either. Usually get high marks for their interiors.

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 02, 2024, 01:16:45 PMI have no memory of ever being in a car seat or using a booster seat. I was born in 1990.

Kids these days are probably gonna have PTSD from being strapped/locked in to a car seat because they can actually remember it since it's required 'til they're in 2nd or 3rd grade.

I was out of car seats no later than 5 years old (I distinctly remember riding around in the car without a booster when my folks moved to their home back in 1994).  At that time, my folks thought it was safest for me to sit in the front seat because the air bag would offer me additional protection! 

I had no idea children were required to sit in a booster until 8.  From what I have seen, I get the feeling most parents don't abide by that rule.

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 09, 2024, 11:30:43 AMYup, I was thinking the same thing.

I don't want to buy a car that needs updates and DLC. I want something fully fleshed outta the box. (aka, a Toyota )

How does Toyota get updates out there if it needs to fix something, or improve/add functionality?

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 09, 2024, 10:06:39 AMSimilar to video games nowadays. Before consoles were connected to the internet, games had to be tested and fixed before the launch, but now they just launch it and figure they can patch any issues later.

Yup, I was thinking the same thing.

I don't want to buy a car that needs updates and DLC. I want something fully fleshed outta the box. (aka, a Toyota )