You can feel the difference with MS Windows. They laid off a lot of their QA team and now they just let the "insiders" find the bugs on their home computers for free.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 09, 2024, 12:06:18 PMHow does Toyota get updates out there if it needs to fix something, or improve/add functionality?

They validate design and process before selling them to customers.  Crazy idea, I know.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/05/nissan-allows-dealers-to-sell-cars-at-a-loss-up-to-15-below-invoice-to-spur-sales/

Last few years Nissan has upped their game a lot regarding design and interiors. I know the Altima has a reputation for being driven by asshats. If I was in the market for a Camcord, I'd look at the Altima and if I was in the market for a CRX or RAV4, I'd look at the Rogue. They don't win comparisons but they aren't horrible either. Usually get high marks for their interiors.

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 02, 2024, 01:16:45 PMI have no memory of ever being in a car seat or using a booster seat. I was born in 1990.

Kids these days are probably gonna have PTSD from being strapped/locked in to a car seat because they can actually remember it since it's required 'til they're in 2nd or 3rd grade.

I was out of car seats no later than 5 years old (I distinctly remember riding around in the car without a booster when my folks moved to their home back in 1994).  At that time, my folks thought it was safest for me to sit in the front seat because the air bag would offer me additional protection! 

I had no idea children were required to sit in a booster until 8.  From what I have seen, I get the feeling most parents don't abide by that rule.

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 09, 2024, 11:30:43 AMYup, I was thinking the same thing.

I don't want to buy a car that needs updates and DLC. I want something fully fleshed outta the box. (aka, a Toyota )

How does Toyota get updates out there if it needs to fix something, or improve/add functionality?

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 09, 2024, 10:06:39 AMSimilar to video games nowadays. Before consoles were connected to the internet, games had to be tested and fixed before the launch, but now they just launch it and figure they can patch any issues later.

Yup, I was thinking the same thing.

I don't want to buy a car that needs updates and DLC. I want something fully fleshed outta the box. (aka, a Toyota )

Why use a carrot to test when you can loose a finger on Instagram and become instafamous

This world just continues to reward complete assholes

Similar to video games nowadays. Before consoles were connected to the internet, games had to be tested and fixed before the launch, but now they just launch it and figure they can patch any issues later.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 08, 2024, 02:09:52 PMJay Leno jokes that the received wisdom was that it was best to be "thrown clear." I remember that exact thing being said by the adults when I was a kid.
My friend's dad got in a wreck and was thrown out forwards through the windscreen, bounced along the road like skipping a stone on a pond. Covered in agonizing abrasion injuries. He swore he'd have died if used his seatbelt.

Far more die from ejections than survive.