The European reviewers are having a go at these purebred EVs... man, they're pretty compelling!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNdeLDeUBMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECQZZ7R8SQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHIG-3xLFIg
My favorite is still the EV6.
Quote from: Laconian on November 09, 2021, 11:09:53 AM
The European reviewers are having a go at these purebred EVs... man, they're pretty compelling!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNdeLDeUBMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECQZZ7R8SQ
Watching the Ioniq 5 video now.
I love the concept. Super long wheelbase, flat floor, short overhangs. It's kind of like an ultra practical, bigger, hatchback.
Sadly, EV credit bill going through, this will only be $7,500, not $12,500.
Quote from: Laconian on November 09, 2021, 11:09:53 AM
The European reviewers are having a go at these purebred EVs... man, they're pretty compelling!
Purebred EVs are the only way to go. I'd never buy an ICE vehicle that's an EV crossdresser.
When I was in London a couple of weeks ago I saw an Ioniq 5 on the forecourt of a Hyundai dealer. It was not the most salubrious part of town, & I thought, "Why can't we have these back home?" They're now available to order - if you live in one of the right states. Not to us knuckle-draggers in GA :cry:
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/2022-ioniq-5 (https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/2022-ioniq-5)
It's your penance for rolling coal.
We're going to test drive both of these cars as soon as they hit dealerships. They've gotten under our skin. I don't think they're taking preorders any more, though.
The Inoiq style really reminds me of an 80s UR quattro rally car
Ioniq 5 is the first V2G (Vehicle To Grid) compatible car. The car can exchange energy bidirectionally with the grid, acting as an offpeak buffer.
https://twitter.com/AukeHoekstra/status/1387514347518365698
Robert Llewelyn - he's a committed greenie and dislikes its size and, through the lens of life for drivers in the UK, it is a big car. Over there you're really better off in something really small - particularly in & around the cities. But hey, we all buy more than we "need."
https://youtu.be/2-oUAyD6q9I (https://youtu.be/2-oUAyD6q9I)
Quote from: Laconian on November 10, 2021, 11:11:59 PM
Ioniq 5 is the first V2G (Vehicle To Grid) compatible car. The car can exchange energy bidirectionally with the grid, acting as an offpeak buffer.
https://twitter.com/AukeHoekstra/status/1387514347518365698
Also proves the rather obvious thing that something like a AAA service truck in the future can be outfitted to recharge a dead EV roadside
Quote from: Morris Minor on November 11, 2021, 04:17:33 AM
Robert Llewelyn - he's a committed greenie and dislikes its size and, through the lens of life for drivers in the UK, it is a big car. Over there you're really better off in something really small - particularly in & around the cities. But hey, we all buy more than we "need."
https://youtu.be/2-oUAyD6q9I (https://youtu.be/2-oUAyD6q9I)
Big for the UK is ideal for the US. It's actually smaller than the Outback.
I'm seeing a lot of Renault Avantime in the profile of the Ioniq in blue... and I like what I see...
Quote from: Morris Minor on November 10, 2021, 05:46:30 AM
Purebred EVs are the only way to go. I'd never buy an ICE vehicle that's an EV crossdresser.
Yet the Ford Maverick hybrid is getting 42+mpg city. And can still do ICE duties!
https://carbuzz.com/news/kia-ev6-smashes-teslas-world-record
Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record
During the seven-day trip, the Kia EV6 was charged for a total of seven hours, 10 minutes, and one second. That was fast enough for it to set a new Guinness World Record for shortest charging time to cross the United States in an electric vehicle. Impressively, it shattered the previous record set by Tesla by more than five and a half hours. For reference, the Tesla needed to be charged for a total of 12 hours, 48 minutes, and 19 seconds.
https://youtu.be/RRlZnpLNvFA
Good review. I'll happily take build quality and a double digit CR reliability score over having my heart tickled with delicate fingers.
Interesting, the Ioniq 5 has a heat pump for its cabin heating. That's going to be huge for folks in cold climates.
Deets about feature content, from the Canadian preorder forms:
https://www.insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/feature-list-for-canadian-ioniq-5.11615/
Quote from: Laconian on November 27, 2021, 01:05:02 PM
Interesting, the Ioniq 5 has a heat pump for its cabin heating. That's going to be huge for folks in cold climates.
Heat pumps are power hungry (basically an air conditioner working in reverse). There's a reason why they aren't used to heat homes in places that actually get sustained cold in the winter. For as power hungry as it is, you'll find more homes with electric baseboard in cold climates than you will heat pumps.
??? Heat pumps are much more efficient than resistive heating. Switching a home heat pump to "emergency heating" (toaster mode) makes the electric meter spin like a mofo...
Quote from: Laconian on November 27, 2021, 01:17:39 PM
??? Heat pumps are much more efficient than resistive heating. Switching a home heat pump to "emergency heating" (toaster mode) makes the electric meter spin like a mofo...
Not when temperatures get below freezing. Heat pumps are fine when you're talking about providing heat when ambient air is chilly (40s and 50s). Below 40, their efficiency really takes a dive. Below 30F, you're better off with a different heat source. They have to work very hard to pull heat from air that's sub freezing.
Like I said, you won't find heat pumps used for homes in places that experience sustained sub-freezing temperatures. NY, Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, Ohio, Maine.... You'll find electric baseboard before you'll find a place relying on a heat pump in these climates. If heat pumps were more efficient and cost effective than resistive heating elements in these climates, you would see them widely used over resistive heat.
I think the IONIQ 5 looks ok, but it's HUGE for a supposed compact. I saw two of them today and they barely fit on the designated parking spots for EVs. One I saw today was parked next to a BMW X3 or X5 Plug-In Hybrid (can't tell them part) and the IONIQ 5 made the BMW SUV look tiny. Literally.
Quote from: MX793 on November 27, 2021, 01:33:48 PM
Not when temperatures get below freezing. Heat pumps are fine when you're talking about providing heat when ambient air is chilly (40s and 50s). Below 40, their efficiency really takes a dive. Below 30F, you're better off with a different heat source. They have to work very hard to pull heat from air that's sub freezing.
Like I said, you won't find heat pumps used for homes in places that experience sustained sub-freezing temperatures. NY, Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, Ohio, Maine.... You'll find electric baseboard before you'll find a place relying on a heat pump in these climates. If heat pumps were more efficient and cost effective than resistive heating elements in these climates, you would see them widely used over resistive heat.
There is heat pump tech out there that now goes down to around 10deg F and remain efficient. Combine that with some heat recovery from the batteries and motors and the system would probably serve most places pretty well.
I think Tesla also used a heat pump in the model y
Quote from: cawimmer430 on November 27, 2021, 04:50:08 PM
I think the IONIQ 5 looks ok, but it's HUGE for a supposed compact. I saw two of them today and they barely fit on the designated parking spots for EVs. One I saw today was parked next to a BMW X3 or X5 Plug-In Hybrid (can't tell them part) and the IONIQ 5 made the BMW SUV look tiny. Literally.
Coming from an Outback owner: sweeeet!
Quote from: Laconian on November 27, 2021, 01:01:12 PM
Good review. I'll happily take build quality and a double digit CR reliability score over having my heart tickled with delicate fingers.
I've told Morris Jr to get one. His ancient Pilot is wheezing at 200k miles, & soon you will need an EV to maintain a Silicon Valley residency permit.
Quote from: Morris Minor on November 28, 2021, 01:18:10 PM
I've told Morris Jr to get one. His ancient Pilot is wheezing at 200k miles, & soon you will need an EV to maintain a Silicon Valley residency permit.
A car that's more than 10 years old, how can he stand the ignominy? Doesn't he qualify for a welfare Mercedes CLA250?
Quote from: r0tor on November 27, 2021, 08:07:21 PM
There is heat pump tech out there that now goes down to around 10deg F and remain efficient. Combine that with some heat recovery from the batteries and motors and the system would probably serve most places pretty well.
I think Tesla also used a heat pump in the model y
Yes. The Y was the first. Now all Teslas have them.
Snowy weather test drive impressions: https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/rjkgnu/test_drove_an_ioniq_5_today_in_blustery_snowy/
Sandy Munro - my favorite right-leaning, jaded, grumpy & irascible old white guy.
Getting into obsessive detail on the Hyundai's fit & finish. They like it.
https://youtu.be/E3_0tc3qBt8
He talked shit about the hard HVAC controls... wotta Tesla shill!
I don't think he realizes how distracting modal user interfaces can be. Assessing the state of the MMI requires attention span. Locating the touch target and then using your fine motor control to press it requires some focus. Boom, you rear ended someone. I'd rather just grab a dial which has only ONE function and crank it.
Quote from: Laconian on January 21, 2022, 02:22:50 PM
He talked shit about the hard HVAC controls... wotta Tesla shill!
I don't think he realizes how distracting modal user interfaces can be. Assessing the state of the MMI requires attention span. Locating the touch target and then using your fine motor control to press it requires some focus. Boom, you rear ended someone. I'd rather just grab a dial which has only ONE function and crank it.
I guess you can just set everything on auto and forget it
Quote from: Laconian on January 21, 2022, 02:22:50 PM
He talked shit about the hard HVAC controls... wotta Tesla shill!
I don't think he realizes how distracting modal user interfaces can be. Assessing the state of the MMI requires attention span. Locating the touch target and then using your fine motor control to press it requires some focus. Boom, you rear ended someone. I'd rather just grab a dial which has only ONE function and crank it.
I agree - I'll keep my HVAC buttons thank you very much. End of conversation.
Quote from: NomisR on January 21, 2022, 02:27:53 PM
I guess you can just set everything on auto and forget it
Until you want to change it. Touchscreen just shouldn't be used for some things. Like anything a driver needs to adjust while moving.
The Genesis variation of the Ioniq 5 and EV6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLbBx1Swq6A
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 22, 2022, 01:10:16 PM
Until you want to change it. Touchscreen just shouldn't be used for some things. Like anything a driver needs to adjust while moving.
I've changed my heat settings once since I got my car I set it to auto and 70 degrees and leave it there. Just like my E38 that I set once right after I got it, and left it for 5 years.
I don't get the incessant need to fiddle with everything.
"Hey, I may want to change this" is not incessant fiddling.
As if people never get cold feet, or the windows never need to be defrosted; or different drivers want different settings, or that you may want a different temperature in the summer when wearing shorts and t-shirt versus winter and five layers of gear. Or that you may want to take your coat off sometimes on linger trips and leave it on for short ones.
That Genesis version is hideous!
The Ioniq 5 is growing on me a lot. Call me outdated, but I really like the frozen matte paint they offer on it. EV6 GT with 575 hp will be something.
Unfortunately, the roll outs for these is going to be soooo slow. They just aren't making them in all that big of numbers. Europe will get them first, then all the US states that follow California ZEV rules. It'll be a few years before I could get either.
I think the Genesis version is pretty hot..
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 24, 2022, 06:33:03 AM
"Hey, I may want to change this" is not incessant fiddling.
As if people never get cold feet, or the windows never need to be defrosted; or different drivers want different settings, or that you may want a different temperature in the summer when wearing shorts and t-shirt versus winter and five layers of gear. Or that you may want to take your coat off sometimes on linger trips and leave it on for short ones.
All of that is incessant fiddling. If you have a decent auto setting, it automatically (hence the name) keeps your feet warm in the winter and comfortable in the summer, all through the season. I want my car to be 70 degrees year round, I don't need it different in the summer and winter, and even if I did that's TWO WHOLE TIMES A YEAR it'd need to get changed to a different temperature... Probably could do that before you start driving
that season. Same with different drivers that need different typical settings. Set it as you get into the car and leave it. Done. Anything more IS incessant fiddling. If you're fucking with it 3-4-5 times a drive WHILE DRIVING, you're doing it wrong,
even with buttons!This is like the anti-EV threads where people go out of their way to come up with scenarios that make life more difficult than it needs to be just to justify edge cases.
My wife keeps fiddling with the climate controls. She doesn't accept that the engine needs to warm up before it can produce heat. I remind her from time to time, but it makes no difference.
I want one, a Crystal Sphere™.
Fear the Crystal Spheres, Tesla.
Quote from: ChrisV on January 24, 2022, 12:33:46 PM
All of that is incessant fiddling. If you have a decent auto setting, it automatically (hence the name) keeps your feet warm in the winter and comfortable in the summer, all through the season. I want my car to be 70 degrees year round, I don't need it different in the summer and winter, and even if I did that's TWO WHOLE TIMES A YEAR it'd need to get changed to a different temperature... Probably could do that before you start driving that season. Same with different drivers that need different typical settings. Set it as you get into the car and leave it. Done. Anything more IS incessant fiddling. If you're fucking with it 3-4-5 times a drive WHILE DRIVING, you're doing it wrong, even with buttons!
This is like the anti-EV threads where people go out of their way to come up with scenarios that make life more difficult than it needs to be just to justify edge cases.
Having cold wet feet is not some sort of "edge case," any more than having different comfort levels at different times, and its not much to ask to have easy to access basic controls.
The automatic system does not know whether I'm wearing wet running shoes or insulated boots. It doesn't know if I have a jacket on, or a sweater. Yes, the best automatic systems have all kinds of sensors; including photoeyes to know which side the sun is on. They're all told, pretty good at what they do.
And I still want to be able to change them easily, and on demand, without taking my eyes off the road simply because I suddenly changed my mind. If I want to turn the foot heaters on full blast, while keep g the windows and sunroof open on a 20 degree day, that's what I want.
The hubris and condescension that says otherwise- that automatic knows what you want better than you do is ridiculous. If the customer wants to control something, they're writing the check.
The simple fact is that touchscreen controls are cheaper to build than discreet controls. Its not about being right or wrong; its about being cost effective
The back door area of the Genesis reminds me of a Toyota C-HR which is not a good thing.
Another point in favor of hard HVAC controls: the buttons and knobs won't spontaneously rearrange themselves overnight.
https://jenson.org/tesla/
Oof, the comments in this thread.. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/ro2y36/i_think_the_holiday_update_is_a_step_backwards_in/
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 24, 2022, 01:44:54 PM
Having cold wet feet is not some sort of "edge case," any more than having different comfort levels at different times, and its not much to ask to have easy to access basic controls.
The automatic system does not know whether I'm wearing wet running shoes or insulated boots. It doesn't know if I have a jacket on, or a sweater. Yes, the best automatic systems have all kinds of sensors; including photoeyes to know which side the sun is on. They're all told, pretty good at what they do.
And I still want to be able to change them easily, and on demand, without taking my eyes off the road simply because I suddenly changed my mind. If I want to turn the foot heaters on full blast, while keep g the windows and sunroof open on a 20 degree day, that's what I want.
The hubris and condescension that says otherwise- that automatic knows what you want better than you do is ridiculous. If the customer wants to control something, they're writing the check.
The simple fact is that touchscreen controls are cheaper to build than discreet controls. Its not about being right or wrong; its about being cost effective
I agree with you here. I never use automatic temperature setting, unlike in my house where I rarely fiddle with the temperature. My car, my small space, I like the convenience of changing the temperature as many times in a given period as I want; just like I do the radio. I agree it varies a lot depending on how I'm dressed and whether or not I had to walk outside in the cold or the heat to get to my car.
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2022, 09:01:42 PM
Another point in favor of hard HVAC controls: the buttons and knobs won't spontaneously rearrange themselves overnight.
https://jenson.org/tesla/
Oof, the comments in this thread.. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/ro2y36/i_think_the_holiday_update_is_a_step_backwards_in/
The most valuable assets Tesla has are their fans.
The biggest liabilities Tesla has are their fans.
Quote from: veeman on January 30, 2022, 09:36:24 PM
I agree with you here. I never use automatic temperature setting, unlike in my house where I rarely fiddle with the temperature. My car, my small space, I like the convenience of changing the temperature as many times in a given period as I want; just like I do the radio. I agree it varies a lot depending on how I'm dressed and whether or not I had to walk outside in the cold or the heat to get to my car.
You don't fiddle with the temperature at home because you don't sit on the couch wearing the same clothes you go skiing in on one day, and gym clothes the next; if you do, its because you're on the way in or out. And I'd also bet you don't hang out at home with the heat vents two feet away from your face.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 31, 2022, 06:03:18 AM
You don't fiddle with the temperature at home because you don't sit on the couch wearing the same clothes you go skiing in on one day, and gym clothes the next; if you do, its because you're on the way in or out. And I'd also bet you don't hang out at home with the heat vents two feet away from your face.
It's about 8 feet above my head..
In a motel/hotel, I fiddle with the temperature/fan settings a lot.
At home I don't fiddle with the settings because I've learned through 15 years of home ownership that the more I fiddled with the HVAC settings, the more stuff broke. Last several years I rarely adjust anything (even when leaving for out of town), and the HVAC gets a lot less repaired.
The wise furnace repairman told me "The less you fiddle with this, the less it will break. Trust me. It's not worth the $20 you save in a month by constantly adjusting the temperature setting in a particular room depending on whether it's being used or not."
Quote from: veeman on January 31, 2022, 12:42:42 PM
In a motel/hotel, I fiddle with the temperature/fan settings a lot.
At home I don't fiddle with the settings because I've learned through 15 years of home ownership that the more I fiddled with the HVAC settings, the more stuff broke. Last several years I rarely adjust anything (even when leaving for out of town), and the HVAC gets a lot less repaired.
The wise furnace repairman told me "The less you fiddle with this, the less it will break. Trust me. It's not worth the $20 you save in a month by constantly adjusting the temperature setting in a particular room depending on whether it's being used or not."
I have a couple of "smart" thermostats, Ecobee in my case, but any will do. There was about a week of fiddling to get things right & that was it, barely touch them unless we're going on vacation or something.
Sandy Munro's nerd team got an Ioniq up on a lift. The point about adding crash protection mass... Mass breeds mass I guess. All those batteries. Anyway - they liked what they saw.
https://youtu.be/igFytqIMp0A
I saw an EV6 on the road in LA a few weeks ago. It was jaw dropping, a really cool looking car.
Quote from: afty on March 15, 2022, 10:48:49 PM
I saw an EV6 on the road in LA a few weeks ago. It was jaw dropping, a really cool looking car.
I've seen one around town, and a friend texted me a message an hour later with a photo of the same car when it was in a neighboring city with a comment like "this car's so hot". It must be doing something right to stand out like that. The tail is really something to behold, all crisp curves and concavities.
I'm not sure about the EV6 yet. I didn't care for the press release photos but I saw one last week on the freeway and it looked nice (mainly from behind). It's very large for its styling so I'm curious how it ages
I was going to test drive the Kia/Hyundai siblings this weekend, but the inventory just disappeared and the prices of what's left are very gougey.
Ah well. I'm fine waiting anyways.
Quote from: Laconian on March 19, 2022, 05:03:14 PM
I was going to test drive the Kia/Hyundai siblings this weekend, but the inventory just disappeared and the prices of what's left are very gougey.
Ah well. I'm fine waiting anyways.
I'm not seeing any listed near me either. My local dealership doesn't even mention it anywhere on their site.
Is Utah one of the states for the limited rollout?
Guess not. I can't even find info about their release plan. Europe has been able to get these for a short while, but their US rollout sucks.
I saw an EV6 GT-line at a parking lot. I had a chance to study the lines and peek through the glass. The roofline is surprisingly low, with fairly narrow windows, kind of like the Magnum/300. I wonder if it feels claustrophobic on the inside.
Make no mistake, it is a pretty stunning car in the flesh, but I just hope the styling doesn't impact the usability too much.
I talked with an Ioniq 5 owner. He's a picky car guy but he positively gushed about his new car. Smooth, fun, refined, well put together were all things he said about it.
Quote from: Laconian on April 29, 2022, 11:37:01 AM
I talked with an Ioniq 5 owner. He's a picky car guy but he positively gushed about his new car. Smooth, fun, refined, well put together were all things he said about it.
I saw one in a restaurant parking lot here... it looks cool. People were stopping to have a look.
Hyundai/Kia are positioning themselves well for the next decade.
Tesla needs a fresh look to compete!
My friend put a deposit down for an Ioniq 5. I might go check one out and order an Ioniq 5 or EV6. The Bolt isn't always comfortable for me due to the seats and sometimes harsh suspension.
I emailed a local dealership back and forth a few times about getting one of their incoming Ioniq 5's. They're charging $5k over MSRP :facepalm:
If I could just get it for MSRP, I probably would have pulled the trigger. $55k for a fully loaded AWD. $7500 EV credit, $35k for the outback. Gas savings alone would be something like $220/month I think, so when you amortize that, it's a <$5k trade...
I saw an EV6 on the road the other day in black. It looks like a previous gen Honda Civic hatch, but scaled 1.5x. It's way bigger in person than I imagined. Even though the Ioniq 5 is uglier than the EV6, it's much easier to get your hands on one. I like the insane wheelbase idea of it too. The interior appears to be better packaged. The Ioniq 5 is 10" shorter than the outback, but 10" longer wheelbase. It's 20" less total overhang :wtf:
I know that specific dealer will do an Ioniq 5 at MSRP. Come to Utah!
$5k over MSRP at a dealership is chump change these days.
https://youtu.be/30-ekwjajJY
I have a friend that's looking for an EV because his lease on this Clarity EV expired. He was originally looking at a Mach-E, I told him to hurry up and order one but they're no longer taking orders, so I'm trying to convince him to get a i4 M50, for the standard i4, they're asking for MSRP but you have to buy the "Teflon coating" whatever thing for $1200.. so the car is basically MSRP + $1200 markup. He might actually be interested in going to Utah for Ioniq 5 since he already flew to Wyoming for a Sienna at MSRP in Jan.
Getting an EV back from Utah sounds like a major pain in the ass.
Quote from: MrH on May 02, 2022, 07:00:04 AM
Getting an EV back from Utah sounds like a major pain in the ass.
I-70 has chargers all the way to Ohio.
But yes, it's a long way for a car. Although you can ship it for a lot less than $5k
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 02, 2022, 09:29:33 AM
I-70 has chargers all the way to Ohio.
But yes, it's a long way for a car. Although you can ship it for a lot less than $5k
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Yeah probably $1500 to ship.
What's the dealer name? Most dealers are only selling to people within a radius of the dealer, to prevent people from buying, shipping across country, and reselling at a markup.
What's really interesting: the Hyundai dealer told me that Hyundai has increased the invoice to be identical to the MSRP, and that's why they have to charge a $5k markup.. That sounded really strange and the typical BS a dealer would say to justify charging a markup. I checked though, and sure enough, he's right. I'm sure there's a kickback of some sort on the vehicles, but that's a really odd situation.
Murdock Hyundai
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 04, 2022, 09:13:17 AM
Murdock Hyundai
They're adding $10k to out-of-state buyers.
https://murdockhyundailindon.roadster.com/express/KM8KMDAF0NU065725?deal_type=cash
Quote from: MrH on May 04, 2022, 08:46:41 AM
What's the dealer name? Most dealers are only selling to people within a radius of the dealer, to prevent people from buying, shipping across country, and reselling at a markup.
What's really interesting: the Hyundai dealer told me that Hyundai has increased the invoice to be identical to the MSRP, and that's why they have to charge a $5k markup.. That sounded really strange and the typical BS a dealer would say to justify charging a markup. I checked though, and sure enough, he's right. I'm sure there's a kickback of some sort on the vehicles, but that's a really odd situation.
Sounds like Hyundai's decided not to share its profits with its dealers while also not wanting the negative public symbolism of raising its prices. So they're telling the world to blame their middlemen for all the special markups.
(https://www.psychologicalscience.org/redesign/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/lundegaard.jpg)
Quote from: Morris Minor on May 04, 2022, 10:27:40 AM
Sounds like Hyundai's decided not to share its profits with its dealers while also not wanting the negative public symbolism of raising its prices. So they're telling the world to blame their middlemen for all the special markups.
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Basically. What a slimy tactic. It's right up there with Ford's trim situation with the F-150 lightning. It'd be better for everyone if they were just honest about it.
Quote from: MrH on May 04, 2022, 09:35:49 AM
They're adding $10k to out-of-state buyers.
https://murdockhyundailindon.roadster.com/express/KM8KMDAF0NU065725?deal_type=cash
I'll buy one and sell it to you for $4k markup
I thought Hyundai/Kia warranties doesn't transfer? So wouldn't it make this a horrible idea to buy a used or resold Hyundai/Kia?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 04, 2022, 02:09:51 PM
I'll buy one and sell it to you for $4k markup
So tempting :lol:
Quote from: NomisR on May 04, 2022, 02:15:39 PM
I thought Hyundai/Kia warranties doesn't transfer? So wouldn't it make this a horrible idea to buy a used or resold Hyundai/Kia?
If it's a "certified" used car, the full warranty transfers. I know this because I bought a certified used Hyundai Veloster. Otherwise a second owner gets a reduced warranty. Hyundais/Kias sold in Canada also have a reduced warranty compared with those sold in the U.S.
Quote from: veeman on May 05, 2022, 07:12:51 AM
If it's a "certified" used car, the full warranty transfers. I know this because I bought a certified used Hyundai Veloster. Otherwise a second owner gets a reduced warranty. Hyundais/Kias sold in Canada also have a reduced warranty compared with those sold in the U.S.
But its only certified if its sold through a dealer
Getting underneath:
https://youtu.be/Ca3nrIBVW4w
Speaking of markups-
https://markups.org/
And their new interiors guy takes a look. I must say that I strongly believe that we should avoid bad neckties. When criticizing a car's interior design, a crisp white shirt & plain navy tie lends more stylistic knowledge credibility than the junior car salesman look.
Anyway, this guy knows his subject.
https://youtu.be/HtuS5hNk5OA
My favorite Internet person got an Ioniq 5!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZOuz_laH9I
I had no idea that the charging cables had active cooling.
It's ridiculous how efficient EVs are. 328kWh of power for an 18 hour road trip from Detroit to Florida. He burned the energy equivalent of 9 gallons of gasoline.
That's why diesel locomotives are EVs with a portable charging station :lol:
Quote from: Morris Minor on May 14, 2022, 05:59:18 AM
And their new interiors guy takes a look. I must say that I strongly believe that we should avoid bad neckties. When criticizing a car's interior design, a crisp white shirt & plain navy tie lends more stylistic knowledge credibility than the junior car salesman look.
Anyway, this guy knows his subject.
https://youtu.be/HtuS5hNk5OA
His dislike of piano black interior components I agree with. Looks cool when new. A few weeks later, looks terrible. On my former Beetle the upper half of the two compartment glove box was piano black. Nice looking I thought when I bought the car. I gently rested the side of a large cardboard box which was sitting on the passenger seat on the upper half glove box for 10 seconds. When I took out the box there were small light scratches easily visible on the piano black surface. Bugged me for the next three years whenever I got in the car.
Quote from: Laconian on May 17, 2022, 12:25:56 AM
It's ridiculous how efficient EVs are. 328kWh of power for an 18 hour road trip from Detroit to Florida. He burned the energy equivalent of 9 gallons of gasoline.
I think the biggest problem we run into is this..
https://www.wsj.com/articles/electricity-shortage-warnings-grow-across-u-s-11652002380
And there's no solution in sight because like California's stupid decision to not try to replenish our water supplies or build desalination, America won't build nuclear either.
Look at gas prices, we're already in deep shit with our exploding fossils. :lol:
Honestly, daily suburban drives would probably barely dent the meter. Topping up after 40 miles of daily use (American average) is 10kWh of power on an Ioniq 5. The HVAC bill in a sunny climate is going to be 4-6 times worse than that. If you want to worry about electricity consumption, direct your ire at McMansions.
Quote from: Laconian on May 16, 2022, 11:58:43 PM
My favorite Internet person got an Ioniq 5!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZOuz_laH9I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZOuz_laH9I)
I had no idea that the charging cables had active cooling.
Added to my already too-long watch later list. I'm jealous of his hair.
Quote from: Laconian on May 17, 2022, 07:56:20 PM
Look at gas prices, we're already in deep shit with our exploding fossils. :lol:
Honestly, daily suburban drives would probably barely dent the meter. Topping up after 40 miles of daily use (American average) is 10kWh of power on an Ioniq 5. The HVAC bill in a sunny climate is going to be 4-6 times worse than that. If you want to worry about electricity consumption, direct your ire at McMansions.
Looking at my stats for the last 30 days, it looks like charging accounts for 1/2 of my total electricty usage. So it's still doubling what my normal usage would be.
Our Bolt is like $15/month for electricity. (Total bill is $50-100 depending on the month)
The styling could use a lot of work, but it is an enviably thick head of hair. It would be fun to have a beer with him.
Quote from: NomisR on May 18, 2022, 04:39:49 PM
Looking at my stats for the last 30 days, it looks like charging accounts for 1/2 of my total electricty usage. So it's still doubling what my normal usage would be.
Really? You must get a lot of use out of your car. I drive about 80 miles a week. A WEEK! (:cry: in WFH)
Quote from: Laconian on May 16, 2022, 11:58:43 PM
My favorite Internet person got an Ioniq 5!
I had no idea that the charging cables had active cooling.
Tesla needs to migrate North Americans to CCS ASAP. If they don't do it voluntarily the regulators will do it eventually anyway. Like Apple and their stupid Lightning cables.
Quote from: Laconian on May 18, 2022, 06:50:20 PM
Really? You must get a lot of use out of your car. I drive about 80 miles a week. A WEEK! (:cry: in WFH)
I have almost 13000 miles since Sept, we use it as a regular car and don't drive my wife's car as much now a days.
My electricity use over the last 31 days and roughly 1000 miles:
(https://i.imgur.com/9dV53lB.jpg)
Note that these are Bay Area electric rates, which are higher than the rest of the country (but so are our gas prices).
Quote from: afty on May 19, 2022, 01:37:20 PM
My electricity use over the last 31 days and roughly 1000 miles:
Note that these are Bay Area electric rates, which are higher than the rest of the country (but so are our gas prices).
Yeah I think that's about twice as much as I'd pay in Utah
And their ADAS guy takes a look. I'm super impressed.
https://youtu.be/mgh-Za_PFIk
So far I've seen about a half dozen EV6s around me, but only one Ioniq5. Both look great, glad there are more stylish EV options coming out lately!
I wonder when the buzz will die down so I can actually get one without giving up a kidney.
Quote from: Laconian on May 20, 2022, 11:46:11 AM
I wonder when the buzz will die down so I can actually get one without giving up a kidney.
I wouldn't expect any normalcy from the car market for at least another 18 months.
I'm going to try a coworker's EV6 next week. My best view of an EV6 in a parking lot was a bust; the interior was basically an episode of Hoarders.
Saw an Ioniq out in the wild for the first time yesterday. Didn't get a great look at they were going in the other direction but I thought it looked good without being super attention grabbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLseHL42cM
Man, that's appealing.
I priced one out: $59k. Only a few grand more than the Hyundai. Damn.
It's so ugly though.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on June 20, 2022, 07:02:30 AM
Saw an Ioniq out in the wild for the first time yesterday. Didn't get a great look at they were going in the other direction but I thought it looked good without being super attention grabbing.
I saw one the other day for the first time. I thought it kinda looked like a circus wagon from the back. A bit too glitzy for my taste.
Quote from: MrH on June 21, 2022, 06:56:39 AM
It's so ugly though.
The Genesis? I think it looks pretty nice for an egg car.
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 21, 2022, 06:58:35 AM
I saw one the other day for the first time. I thought it kinda looked like a circus wagon from the back. A bit too glitzy for my taste.
The pixel art rear is near and dear to my heart.
Quote from: Laconian on June 21, 2022, 09:45:26 AM
The Genesis? I think it looks pretty nice for an egg car.
It's by far the ugliest of the 3. The whole exterior is a mess. The interior is nice though. I love the blue interior. Shame they ruin it with that lime green stitching though.
While shopping for EV6es, I found that a number of stealerships had GTs coming in stock without buyers lined up. Mike, you should get one. 300hp, big brake kit, and 21" wheels for a 3-5k premium. It's the performance bargain of the century. Do it! :devil:
IIRC he'd need to slice off part of his head
Just drive with the seat in Zero G mode. Maybe install a mirror on the ceiling to give you a view of the road ahead.
I tried. Had to gangster lean to keep my head off the roof. But then I was too far from the steering wheel with my arms. So I had to move the seat up, and then my legs were crunched. The whole thing was an ergonomic nightmare for me.
Yeah the roofline is quite low. I think that's what is giving me TSX wagon vibes. Too bad for you. Sucks to be tall... for this one case :lol:
Might just be an EV thing -- with the battery under the floor and aerodynamics pushing for a low roof, there's only so much you can do.
Quote from: afty on December 05, 2022, 04:55:59 PM
Might just be an EV thing -- with the battery under the floor and aerodynamics pushing for a low roof, there's only so much you can do.
Plus they might want a more upright seating position because that's what people seem to want these days. The Toyota Crown seems to have similar proportions - higher seat, low roof, normal ground clearance. Doesn't make much sense to me personally. I like sitting as low as possible.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 10, 2022, 05:17:02 PM
Plus they might want a more upright seating position because that's what people seem to want these days. The Toyota Crown seems to have similar proportions - higher seat, low roof, normal ground clearance. Doesn't make much sense to me personally. I like sitting as low as possible.
That also has terrible head room apparently. I don't get it.
Maybe it's you that has terrible headroom. Thought about losing a vertebra or two?
Quote from: Laconian on December 11, 2022, 01:00:41 PM
Maybe it's you that has terrible headroom. Thought about losing a vertebra or two?
Given my back issues, maybe I should just get a few removed and fused together.
Quote from: MrH on December 11, 2022, 12:49:18 PM
That also has terrible head room apparently. I don't get it.
The current Avalon seems a lot nicer.
Quote from: MrH on December 14, 2022, 07:17:45 AM
Given my back issues, maybe I should just get a few removed and fused together.
Eeeeeh. I'm sorry to hear they're still around.
https://youtu.be/HiZ64IEVQ6g
Lots of fun and crazy fast, but porky!