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Re: No Garage
« Reply #1440 on: June 20, 2022, 04:15:29 pm »
I always thought that was a particular arrogance of the British car makers: shipped them over here thinking something rated for the domestic no-extremes climate would work fine too in desert heat, tropical humidity & arctic cold. Clueless management.
Oh and the electrics...

The electrics never made sense.

Its a fucking island, and it pisses down rain constantly. You'd think British carmakers would adjust accordingly and set the world standard for weather resistance when it came to water.
And then, I spent a week as a lemon, jumping in and out of a gin and tonic.

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« Reply #1441 on: June 20, 2022, 04:29:31 pm »
The electrics never made sense.

Its a fucking island, and it pisses down rain constantly. You'd think British carmakers would adjust accordingly and set the world standard for weather resistance when it came to water.
Their cars and engineering were both amazingly good and amazingly bad.  That still holds true.
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Re: No Garage
« Reply #1442 on: June 20, 2022, 09:00:41 pm »
So what are the actual reasons for Lucas being so terrible?
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« Reply #1443 on: June 21, 2022, 07:09:30 am »
So what are the actual reasons for Lucas being so terrible?
PRINCE OF DARKNESS – JOSEPH LUCAS

A good article...

The fact of the matter is that old Joe Lucas has received a bad rap and that the faults of others are often attributed to him and his misunderstood products. He has nothing to do with the failure of your car to start or caused your lights to flicker. Truth be told – he was gone from the scene long before any of our British sports cars were a glimmer in the eye of Messrs. Healey, Black, Lyon or Enever.

However...

But first, let us get the jokes out of the way to clear out our system for the knowledge to come.

The Lucas corporate motto: “Get home before dark.”
If Lucas made guns, wars would not start.
Lucas holds the patent for the short circuit.
Lucas – Inventor of the intermittent wiper.
Lucas – Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.
The three position Lucas switch – Dim, Flicker and Off
The Original Anti-Theft Device – Lucas Electrics.
Lucas is an acronym for Loose Unsoldered Connections and Splices
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« Reply #1444 on: June 22, 2022, 06:27:34 am »
I bought an XJ.

I never expected to keep Jeep this long.
Over 2 years and 17K miles later, it has never needed a tow truck.
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« Reply #1445 on: June 22, 2022, 06:56:36 am »
So what are the actual reasons for Lucas being so terrible?
Crap quality control, bad layouts of their components, shoddy final vehicle production line assembly. Poor connections, poor grounding.

Austin/Morris putting the Mini's distributor 2" behind the radiator, where it gets deluged in bad weather. Stuff like that.
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« Reply #1446 on: June 22, 2022, 07:54:14 am »
So what are the actual reasons for Lucas being so terrible?

Try to find an original Lucas fuse. You mostly can't, because all of them sold today are "improved" versions in some way.

For starters, the conductor is on the outside of the fuse, unprotected. They're basically a thin, almost foil piece stretched over a small torpedo shaped piece of ceramic. The idea originally was you didn't replace the whole fuse; you peeled off the conductor and put another one on. The contact points to the fuse block were often barely larger than the fuse itself- which meant it was often that the fuse didn't blow, but the fuse block contact did.
And then, I spent a week as a lemon, jumping in and out of a gin and tonic.

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« Reply #1447 on: June 22, 2022, 05:25:04 pm »
So what are the actual reasons for Lucas being so terrible?
To be fair, all auto electrics in the '50s and '60s were pretty crap, which is when Lucas got its reputation.  We generally had a can of ignition spray in the car at all times, especially in the wet weather.  When you opened the hood and turned the engine over, you'd see blue sparks dancing along the ignition wires.  Most Euro cars, and especially imports, were usually worse.  I recall in the mid sixties a Toyota (Corona I believe), with Toyoglide, parked under our balcony at the apartment we rented trying to start every morning around 7:00am grinding over and over trying to fire up.  Put me off Toyotas to this day.

The materials, especially the ignition wires were good for about a year, and then hardened and developed cracks.
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Re: No Garage
« Reply #1448 on: June 22, 2022, 08:35:03 pm »
My old truck still has the factory wiring harness. Working well. A few bad light bulb sockets. That's it. 57 years old. GM built a good vehicle then.

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« Reply #1449 on: June 22, 2022, 08:54:19 pm »
That's pretty amazing.  Thought you'd have a bit of moister in the air out there being by the Ocean.
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Re: No Garage
« Reply #1450 on: July 02, 2022, 02:51:07 pm »
Exhaust manifold cracked again. Yep.
I’m looking at the Banks Revolver header. Claims 22.5HP gain at the wheels. $472 on Amazon.
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« Reply #1451 on: July 02, 2022, 03:43:32 pm »
Exhaust manifold cracked again. Yep.
I’m looking at the Banks Revolver header. Claims 22.5HP gain at the wheels. $472 on Amazon.

You could strap a Harbor Freight Predator engine onto the flywheel or something for like $250 and get almost the same gainz.

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« Reply #1452 on: July 02, 2022, 03:57:01 pm »
You could strap a Harbor Freight Predator engine onto the flywheel or something for like $250 and get almost the same gainz.

Yeah, but the nearest Harbor Freight is like 30 miles away. That is like $17 in gas.
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« Reply #1453 on: July 02, 2022, 09:15:45 pm »
Yeah, but the nearest Harbor Freight is like 30 miles away. That is like $17 in gas.

Fair enough. I went to get a $12 pizza the other day and realized it cost me about $8 in gas. Was worth it tho.

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« Reply #1454 on: July 04, 2022, 07:21:11 am »
Peanut butter and crack sandwich, the ignition coil is cracked, too. MSD on the way.
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