Rivian

[Morris Minor]

If Rivian were to go down into the mid-$70s I might take a nibble.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/RIVN

[AutobahnSHO]

https://www.teslarati.com/rivian-r1t-towing-test-range-loss/

[Morris Minor]

https://www.teslarati.com/rivian-r1t-towing-test-range-loss/

Snips from the article.
"which evidently resulted in a 62% degradation of the battery"
"one of the more stressful tasks for an EV to perform, as it requires excessive energy from the vehicle"

Rivian needs to to cease production and recall all vehicles sold. The cause of the battery degradation & excessive energy use needs to be fixed.

Or it could be that the writer has a weak command of English.

[RomanChariot]

My F250 suffers from fuel storage degradation when I use it to tow Seriously though, towing heavy stuff affects the range of a vehicle. The impact on my F250 isn't 62% only because it sucks all the time. Big trucks with large inefficient engines start out with horrible gas mileage and go down from there. Smaller trucks are more efficient when unladen but they take a bigger hit when they tow a heavy load.

[CaminoRacer]

I like how they excuse Tesla for the same exact thing just because they have more Tesla-branded chargers, which doesn't change the dismal range of towing with a Tesla or any EV. Adding more air resistance will quickly reduce range.

Towing with an EV truck/SUV might not make sense for a while. And that's fine.

[Soup DeVille]

Depends if degradation means "degradation" or if it means "discharges."

[MX793]

I like how they excuse Tesla for the same exact thing just because they have more Tesla-branded chargers, which doesn't change the dismal range of towing with a Tesla or any EV. Adding more air resistance will quickly reduce range.

Towing with an EV truck/SUV might not make sense for a while. And that's fine.

It's Teslarati, what would you expect?

[GoCougs]

Also towing at what looks to be 70+ mph, which will greatly accelerate "degradation."

Back it down to the advisable 55 mph and it'll be about what you'd get with a ICE truck (~50% drop, as Rivian noted).

[Laconian]

Probably. Since drag increases at velocity cubed, that delta v stings.

[AutobahnSHO]

yeah, totally not surprised, just cements what I figured- electric pickups won't be great for cross-country trailer camping trips.

Imagine having to stay at the camp site more days than you want because the 110v(low amps) takes forever to charge the ginormous batteries...  :)

IF there's power available, if you have to go somewhere else to charge back up even further complicates things.

And that wind resistance is Defintely a thing!   But no one drives 55mph, not even the people towing "max speed 55mph" Uhaul trailers.

When I towed Scrappy with the minivan from VA to SC, I put the transmission on "no overdrive" which puts it into 3rd (of five) gear. RPMs were high so I set the cruise at 60mph and was getting passed by EVERYONE. And the 8hr drive took more like 10hrs. Hopefully my transmission lasts many more years though!

[Morris Minor]

Also towing at what looks to be 70+ mph, which will greatly accelerate "degradation."

Back it down to the advisable 55 mph and it'll be about what you'd get with a ICE truck (~50% drop, as Rivian noted).

My gas tank suffers accelerated "degradation' when the car's loaded & in hilly terrain.


Edit - oh wow - I just read another Teslarati article. The standard of writing is at academically weak middle-schooler level.

[NomisR]

My gas tank suffers accelerated "degradation' when the car's loaded & in hilly terrain.


Edit - oh wow - I just read another Teslarati article. The standard of writing is at academically weak middle-schooler level.

lol, have you read the comment section?   

[SJ_GTI]

lol, have you read the comment section?

I suspect reading the comments would cause degradation to your mental state.

[AutobahnSHO]

I suspect reading the comments would cause degradation to your mental state.

[NomisR]

I suspect reading the comments would cause degradation to your mental state.

It wasn't that bad, it's people actually calling out the author and people saying that it's typical for this author to write about things he doesn't know anything about. 

[Morris Minor]

When writing for public consumption, writing abilities count for far more than enthusiasm for the subject. Teslarati, Jalopnik & the rest need editors with English language degrees. But then you're into paid-content territory.

[Morris Minor]

It's plausible that these guys will be major players. Most difficult challenge is scaling up to volume production - they won't want to repeat Tesla's 2017 Fremont nightmare.

Rivian to Build $5B Electric Truck Plant in Georgia
Sources briefed on the decision say electric truck maker Rivian Automotive will announce Thursday that it's building a $5 billion battery and assembly plant east of Atlanta projected to employ 7,500 workers.
More...
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/michigan/articles/2021-12-15/sources-rivian-to-build-5b-electric-truck-plant-in-georgia

[MrH]

Tesla is the exception to scaling production in automotive, not the rule.

[Submariner]

Is Rivian only selling in America or abroad too?

[Morris Minor]

Thumbs-up from Car and Driver.

Tested: 2022 Rivian R1T Launch Edition
The first electric pickup of the modern era proves to be a practical workhorse and an impressive bit of electric-vehicle technology.
BY K.C. COLWELL
FEB 2, 2022
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38904754/2022-rivian-r1t-launch-edition-by-the-numbers/

[CaminoRacer]

Wow I'm glad I didn't order an R1S already. Definitely out of my price range now.

https://motorlinks.net/rivian-changes-specs-increases-prices-for-r1t-and-r1s-affects-all-pre-orders/

[NomisR]

What's the deal with everyone going to pleather?  What if I prefer a real dead cow under my ass?  And I thought these people are all about renewables, cows are renewable, but pleather is made from oil..

[SJ_GTI]

Why does NomisR support the torture and murdering of innocent animals?

[Eye of the Tiger]

What's the deal with everyone going to pleather?  What if I prefer a real dead cow under my ass?  And I thought these people are all about renewables, cows are renewable, but pleather is made from oil..

Cow leather is meh. I prefer full grain black rhino leather.

[CaminoRacer]

Cloth is best for real renewable/sustainable/not murdering animals.

[MrH]

What's the deal with everyone going to pleather?  What if I prefer a real dead cow under my ass?  And I thought these people are all about renewables, cows are renewable, but pleather is made from oil..

There's too much crossover between vegans and EV owners, so they go pleather to try to placate them.  But yeah, I agree.  Leather is a co-product from the meat industry.  Polyurethane materials is probably much dirtier than leather from an environmental standpoint.

[Morris Minor]

Nothing beats the fart-permeability of cloth.

[SJ_GTI]

Cloth is best for real renewable/sustainable/not murdering animals.

Sorry, cloth requires way to much water and industrial farming.

The real answer is that we should all have to stand while we drive.

[NomisR]

Sorry, cloth requires way to much water and industrial farming.

The real answer is that we should all have to stand while we drive.

What about rocks?  We can't make seat from wood since it requires chopping down trees, so rocks!

[NomisR]

Cloth is best for real renewable/sustainable/not murdering animals.

Since cloth seats are not made from cotton but instead made from nylon or polyester, both of which are made from petroleum.   Alcantara of course is also a petroleum based product since it's a synthetic material.  And then there's pleather/leatherette/vinyl/vegan leather which is also petroleum based.

The only thing that's actually not petroleum based is leather.