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Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: BMWDave on July 30, 2005, 07:56:57 PM
Family Hyundai moves upmarket

(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_41/car_portal_pic_20776.jpg)

(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_41/car_portal_pic_20777.jpg)


The Accent is on quality for Hyundai. These official pictures show the look of the new family car, due here in the autumn.

Our images, taken from US sales literature, reveal how the designers have given the hatch a more European appearance, with large, upswept headlamps, integrated body-coloured bumpers and a wide slatted grille. It's similar to the new Getz, revealed in issue 867. As with the supermini, the Accent benefits from improved cabin build quality, plus more equipment.

Changes have also been made to the engine line-up. The 1.3-litre unit is dropped in favour of a 95bhp 1.4, while a new 1.6 offers 110bhp and 45mpg. Also, the 1.5-litre turbodiesel is uprated to boost refinement and economy. Expect a slight price rise, with the new Accent costing from ?8,500 to ?11,500.

Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: TBR on July 30, 2005, 08:00:54 PM
This car looks fine (though bland), except for the molding along the side.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Run Away on July 30, 2005, 08:01:08 PM
I seriously thought that was a Corolla for a bit.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: BMWDave on July 30, 2005, 08:07:48 PM
QuoteI seriously thought that was a Corolla for a bit.
Same here...it has a very Corolla like tint to it, IMO.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Run Away on July 30, 2005, 08:09:41 PM
First thing that tipped me off that it wasn't was that the badge seemed too high.

No i"m not joking. <_<
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: BMWDave on July 30, 2005, 08:18:39 PM
(http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/01images/03corollaexterior.jpg)

The front of the two cars are very similar.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2005, 09:21:41 PM
It does give a Corolla feel.  
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: TurboDan on July 30, 2005, 09:39:54 PM
That thing is reaching Civic and Mazda3 prices.  I can see them pricing the Sonata a bit higher, but let's be honest - this thing is still one step above a KIA Rio.  Who's going to buy it when you can get a superior car?
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2005, 09:41:06 PM
QuoteThat thing is reaching Civic and Mazda3 prices.  I can see them pricing the Sonata a bit higher, but let's be honest - this thing is still one step above a KIA Rio.  Who's going to buy it when you can get a superior car?
The same people who buy Cavaliers and what not.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Colonel Cadillac on July 30, 2005, 10:03:03 PM
Ugh, the Cavalier. Everything about that car is just...crap.  
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: TBR on July 30, 2005, 10:16:09 PM
QuoteThat thing is reaching Civic and Mazda3 prices.  I can see them pricing the Sonata a bit higher, but let's be honest - this thing is still one step above a KIA Rio.  Who's going to buy it when you can get a superior car?
Two things:

1. Where did you get pricing info? I have seen nothing released yet.
2. How do you know that the Corolla and 3 are superior? No one has test driven the new Accent yet (which doesn't even compete with the Corolla or 3 anyway, the Elantra does which placed above the Corolla in the last C/D econo car comparo IIRC).
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2005, 10:32:41 PM
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QuoteThat thing is reaching Civic and Mazda3 prices.  I can see them pricing the Sonata a bit higher, but let's be honest - this thing is still one step above a KIA Rio.  Who's going to buy it when you can get a superior car?
Two things:

1. Where did you get pricing info? I have seen nothing released yet.
2. How do you know that the Corolla and 3 are superior? No one has test driven the new Accent yet (which doesn't even compete with the Corolla or 3 anyway, the Elantra does which placed above the Corolla in the last C/D econo car comparo IIRC).
I just checked...it finished ahead of the Civic, Corolla, Focus, and all but one of the cars featured, the Mazda Protege.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: TBR on July 30, 2005, 10:33:56 PM
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QuoteThat thing is reaching Civic and Mazda3 prices.  I can see them pricing the Sonata a bit higher, but let's be honest - this thing is still one step above a KIA Rio.  Who's going to buy it when you can get a superior car?
Two things:

1. Where did you get pricing info? I have seen nothing released yet.
2. How do you know that the Corolla and 3 are superior? No one has test driven the new Accent yet (which doesn't even compete with the Corolla or 3 anyway, the Elantra does which placed above the Corolla in the last C/D econo car comparo IIRC).
I just checked...it finished ahead of the Civic, Corolla, Focus, and all but one of the cars featured, the Mazda Protege.
That is what I thought. thanks. :)
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2005, 10:49:06 PM
An upmarket move for Hyundai is dangerous because of perception.  The Koreans are really making leaps and bounds.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: TBR on July 30, 2005, 10:57:37 PM
QuoteAn upmarket move for Hyundai is dangerous because of perception.  The Koreans are really making leaps and bounds.
Toyota used to have the same perception but they made the move to luxury and were very successful in doing so.  
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: thewizard16 on July 30, 2005, 11:14:51 PM
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QuoteAn upmarket move for Hyundai is dangerous because of perception.  The Koreans are really making leaps and bounds.
Toyota used to have the same perception but they made the move to luxury and were very successful in doing so.
Good point. I wonder how long it will be until Hyundai goes for the luxury market.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: TBR on July 30, 2005, 11:16:44 PM
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QuoteAn upmarket move for Hyundai is dangerous because of perception.  The Koreans are really making leaps and bounds.
Toyota used to have the same perception but they made the move to luxury and were very successful in doing so.
Good point. I wonder how long it will be until Hyundai goes for the luxury market.
A V8, RWD sedan is rumored to come in 2008.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: ifcar on July 31, 2005, 08:12:06 AM
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QuoteThat thing is reaching Civic and Mazda3 prices.  I can see them pricing the Sonata a bit higher, but let's be honest - this thing is still one step above a KIA Rio.  Who's going to buy it when you can get a superior car?
Two things:

1. Where did you get pricing info? I have seen nothing released yet.
2. How do you know that the Corolla and 3 are superior? No one has test driven the new Accent yet (which doesn't even compete with the Corolla or 3 anyway, the Elantra does which placed above the Corolla in the last C/D econo car comparo IIRC).
Fully-loaded subcompacts have often reached the base prices of comparable compacts. A Civic starts at only $13,160, and a fully-loaded current Accent runs a little above that. And the Echo and Aveo go even higher.

But the price difference is much higher between comparably-equipped models, especially considering the Accent's new standard equipment.

But Dan outlined the perfect reason that subcompacts rarely sell very well. They don't appear that much less expensive than a larger vehicle; it's only too easy to upgrade to the compact.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Raza on July 31, 2005, 02:35:34 PM
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QuoteAn upmarket move for Hyundai is dangerous because of perception.  The Koreans are really making leaps and bounds.
Toyota used to have the same perception but they made the move to luxury and were very successful in doing so.
That's different--Toyota sells luxury cars under a different nameplate.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: TBR on July 31, 2005, 03:34:57 PM
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QuoteAn upmarket move for Hyundai is dangerous because of perception.  The Koreans are really making leaps and bounds.
Toyota used to have the same perception but they made the move to luxury and were very successful in doing so.
That's different--Toyota sells luxury cars under a different nameplate.
A name plate that had absolutely no recognition, besides there is nothing saying that Hyundai won't go the same route.  
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Raza on July 31, 2005, 03:37:03 PM
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QuoteAn upmarket move for Hyundai is dangerous because of perception.  The Koreans are really making leaps and bounds.
Toyota used to have the same perception but they made the move to luxury and were very successful in doing so.
That's different--Toyota sells luxury cars under a different nameplate.
A name plate that had absolutely no recognition, besides there is nothing saying that Hyundai won't go the same route.
Not being recognized is a good way of not being associated with your lower cars.  That's why Scion was created, but oppositely as well.  They thought the target market wouldn't want to be associated with Camrys and Highblanders.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: TBR on July 31, 2005, 03:39:24 PM
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QuoteAn upmarket move for Hyundai is dangerous because of perception.  The Koreans are really making leaps and bounds.
Toyota used to have the same perception but they made the move to luxury and were very successful in doing so.
That's different--Toyota sells luxury cars under a different nameplate.
A name plate that had absolutely no recognition, besides there is nothing saying that Hyundai won't go the same route.
Not being recognized is a good way of not being associated with your lower cars.  That's why Scion was created, but oppositely as well.  They thought the target market wouldn't want to be associated with Camrys and Highblanders.
True, no recognition is better than negative recognition. However, I still think it is likely that Hyundai will introduce a new brand. In fact, I hope they do, three is the perfect number of brands imho.  
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Raza on July 31, 2005, 03:46:21 PM
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QuoteAn upmarket move for Hyundai is dangerous because of perception.  The Koreans are really making leaps and bounds.
Toyota used to have the same perception but they made the move to luxury and were very successful in doing so.
That's different--Toyota sells luxury cars under a different nameplate.
A name plate that had absolutely no recognition, besides there is nothing saying that Hyundai won't go the same route.
Not being recognized is a good way of not being associated with your lower cars.  That's why Scion was created, but oppositely as well.  They thought the target market wouldn't want to be associated with Camrys and Highblanders.
True, no recognition is better than negative recognition. However, I still think it is likely that Hyundai will introduce a new brand. In fact, I hope they do, three is the perfect number of brands imho.
It would make sense, but it's risky.  At least they won't need to establish a new dealer network.  
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: TBR on July 31, 2005, 03:49:09 PM
I don't see how it is any more risky than Toyota establishing Lexus.  
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Raza on July 31, 2005, 03:50:08 PM
QuoteI don't see how it is any more risky than Toyota establishing Lexus.
It's not--but that was also exceptionally risky.  
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: ifcar on July 31, 2005, 04:34:27 PM
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QuoteI don't see how it is any more risky than Toyota establishing Lexus.
It's not--but that was also exceptionally risky.
If Honda, Nissan, and Toyota could all pull it off, so can Hyundai.  
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Raza on July 31, 2005, 05:14:40 PM
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QuoteI don't see how it is any more risky than Toyota establishing Lexus.
It's not--but that was also exceptionally risky.
If Honda, Nissan, and Toyota could all pull it off, so can Hyundai.
Are you sure about that?
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: ifcar on July 31, 2005, 05:18:00 PM
Absolutely. It will almost certainly have a rocky start, but if they can get sufficient sport into their car, they're set.
Title: Family Hyundai moves upmarket
Post by: Tom on July 31, 2005, 07:43:17 PM
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QuoteI don't see how it is any more risky than Toyota establishing Lexus.
It's not--but that was also exceptionally risky.
If Honda, Nissan, and Toyota could all pull it off, so can Hyundai.
I agree.  Most people, I think, don't even associate Lexus with Toyota or Infiniti with Nissan.