What the fuck am I gonna do
Its so easy to speed in this damn car. And damn near everyone else in Jersey drives that fast. Lot of folks got ambushed with me
Brutal.
Pay attention to your speed and this won't happen.
Is there reciprocity between NJ and NC? If not, then there's no points on your license. Just pay the fine.
Quote from: CJ on December 07, 2013, 04:52:34 PM
Pay attention to your speed and this won't happen.
I accept full responibility.
Quote from: CJ on December 07, 2013, 04:52:34 PM
Pay attention to your speed and this won't happen.
Who did I blame? I accept full responsibility for what I did.
Quote from: MX793 on December 07, 2013, 05:00:19 PM
Is there reciprocity between NJ and NC? If not, then there's no points on your license. Just pay the fine.
There is reciprocity between most states including NC and NJ
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 07, 2013, 05:10:31 PM
Who did I blame? I accept full responsibility for what I did.
There is reciprocity between most states including NC and NJ
I guess that's on of the perks of being a NY resident. With the exception of drug/alcohol related offenses (or any ticket issued in Ontario or Quebec), out of state tickets/violations don't end up on your driving record.
I gave them my NY license
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 07, 2013, 05:35:23 PM
I gave them my NY license
Don't beat yourself up about it. That's a damn fine ticket.
If you gave them your NY license, you should be fine. You'll do well if you choose to go to court. You have a likeable disposition and present well. But you probably don't have to go.
Don't sweat it, man.
I can't go to court. Its in Jersey. I am thinking about hiring a lawyer
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 07, 2013, 05:35:23 PM
I gave them my NY license
As long as you pay the fine then it will probably never show up on your record.
Do you have licenses for both NY and NC? If so, I'd be more concerned that they find out you're an NC resident and have an NC license but gave them a NY license. I'm pretty sure you can't have licenses in two different states.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 07, 2013, 06:01:11 PM
I can't go to court. Its in Jersey. I am thinking about hiring a lawyer
When did this happen?
What you need most now is information to make a clear-headed decision. The first question is, was your speed fast enough that the charge was more serious than speeding? I imagine that you could tell that by looking at the ticket.
If you gave the cop your NY license, I already know that it won't translate unless it's a more serious charge like drunk driving. So that's one thing you don't need to worry about.
The fact that you weren't taken off in 'cuffs leads me to believe that it's no more serious than a heavy speeding ticket that will, at worst, carry a heavy fine.
One you determine that the fine is the only issue, then it just becomes an issue of whether the fine is high enough that you could save money by hiring a lawyer. Unless it's a really steep fine, that's doubtful. People don't hire lawyers to get them out of fines; they hire lawyers because they're in danger of penalties more serious than a fine (Cougs excepted, of course).
Just be cool about it, man, and get all your information together. I think you'll find that it's not that big a deal once you get all the facts. Considering how much you can speed without getting busted, it's really cheap entertainment when you look at it over the long run. Think that way and keep a positive attitude about it. If I can do anything at all to help, let me know. We're your buddies here.
Quote from: CJ on December 07, 2013, 04:52:34 PM
Pay attention to your speed and this won't happen.
Did you ever see "Guy Code?" This is a major violation. If the dude wants a lecture, he'll go to some older female relative. We're his buddies and should offer only support. He didn't do anything really wrong.
What does the ticket state? Summons required?
I just dont want my insurance to spike. Thats the main thing. Thats really the only thing. I'd rather pay a lawyer $1000 and get no points than just pay the fine and have my shit spike. I was like 4 months away from my bike crash clearing.
The ticket is in the car... I will look at it tomorrow.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 07, 2013, 06:56:10 PM
I just dont want my insurance to spike. Thats the main thing. Thats really the only thing. I'd rather pay a lawyer $1000 and get no points than just pay the fine and have my shit spike. I was like 4 months away from my bike crash clearing.
The ticket is in the car... I will look at it tomorrow.
If the ticket doesn't show up on your license, I don't think you need to worry about insurance. They'll never know about it.
I got an out of state speeding ticket about 6 months ago. DMV told me it wouldn't go on my driving record. I was glad to get a freebie. I don't think you need to worry.
Radar detectors come in handy sometimes.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 07, 2013, 06:56:10 PM
I just dont want my insurance to spike. Thats the main thing. Thats really the only thing. I'd rather pay a lawyer $1000 and get no points than just pay the fine and have my shit spike. I was like 4 months away from my bike crash clearing.
The ticket is in the car... I will look at it tomorrow.
My most significant ticket was in Wisconsin (technically my license was "suspended" in Wisconsin for 90 days due to it) and it never showed up on my insurance. Out of state tickets seem to not show up very often unless it's a criminal penalty.
Quote from: thewizard16 on December 07, 2013, 09:27:34 PM
My most significant ticket was in Wisconsin (technically my license was "suspended" in Wisconsin for 90 days due to it) and it never showed up on my insurance. Out of state tickets seem to not show up very often unless it's a criminal penalty.
How fast were you going?
Quote from: dazzleman on December 07, 2013, 07:38:02 PM
If the ticket doesn't show up on your license, I don't think you need to worry about insurance. They'll never know about it.
I got an out of state speeding ticket about 6 months ago. DMV told me it wouldn't go on my driving record. I was glad to get a freebie. I don't think you need to worry.
I am scared to ask anyone anything as they might go digging. I guess I can ask anonymously
In some cities/states 20+ over the limit is a mandatory court appearance...
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on December 07, 2013, 10:16:28 PM
In some cities/states 20+ over the limit is a mandatory court appearance...
It varies by state. In New York, it's 30+ over the speed limit. In CT, it's over 85 mph.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 07, 2013, 10:08:33 PM
I am scared to ask anyone anything as they might go digging. I guess I can ask anonymously
Dude, if you want to send me a scan of the ticket privately, I'll look it over and inquire on your behalf (not using your name) if you'd like.
I've had a few buddies with New York licenses who have gotten speeding tickets outside New York in recent years, and they were the ones who told me that only a couple of Canadian provinces are reciprocal with New York in terms of violations appearing on your license. The NYS DMV website is pretty clear about it.
Don't get confused about the much broader compact among states to suspend home state licenses of drivers who fail to answer out-of-state tickets. Many people think that means violations are reciprocal among those states, but that's not true. The home state only gets informed if you fail to pay the ticket or appear in court to get it dismissed.
You really need to take a closer look at the ticket. As I said, I can help look it over for you if you'd like. But just the fact that he gave you a ticket and let you drive off makes me think the ticket is no more serious than speeding. Heavy speeding, yes, but not at the next level.
Is this your first ticket? I don't remember you ever mentioning one before. Trust me, by the 5th or 6th, they get a lot easier to deal with.... :lol:
When I got my ticket in New York back in late May, I checked the CT DMV website to see about out-of-state violations, but it was very vague. So I emailed my question to the DMV and they came back telling me it would not appear on my license as long as I paid it.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 07, 2013, 09:48:13 PM
How fast were you going?
93 in a 70 if I remember correctly. It was a few years ago.
Quote from: thewizard16 on December 07, 2013, 11:22:16 PM
93 in a 70 if I remember correctly. It was a few years ago.
Good job, man. Consider me impressed. :rockon:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 07, 2013, 04:35:54 PM
Lot of folks got ambushed with me
By "ambushed" do you mean, "Posted speed signs in accordance with state and possibly federal laws"?
Yeah, I hate when they do that.
Quote from: hounddog on December 07, 2013, 11:41:51 PM
By "ambushed" do you mean, "Posted speed signs in accordance with state and possibly federal laws"?
Yeah, I hate when they do that.
You know what he meant. This isn't the time to bust balls.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 07, 2013, 11:51:39 PM
You know what he meant. This isn't the time to bust balls.
What is this, the Little Old Ladies Knitting Club?
FYI, Dave, it is always time to bust balls in ManLand.
I think you may be looking for this thread, Dave:
http://www.carspin.net/index.php?topic=30005.0 (http://www.carspin.net/index.php?topic=30005.0)
Quote from: hounddog on December 08, 2013, 01:10:42 AM
What is this, the Little Old Ladies Knitting Club?
FYI, Dave, it is always time to bust balls in ManLand.
I think you may be looking for this thread, Dave:
http://www.carspin.net/index.php?topic=30005.0 (http://www.carspin.net/index.php?topic=30005.0)
:lol: Great to have you back, Tony...
Sporty's ticket is something he should be proud of. If it were me, I'd frame it... :evildude:
Quote from: dazzleman on December 08, 2013, 02:17:21 AM
:lol: Great to have you back, Tony...
Sporty's ticket is something he should be proud of. If it were me, I'd frame it... :evildude:
:lol: Thanks. My being back is likely temporary, as I have found myself with considerable downtime lately with not feeling 100% and so on.
I was not aware that was Sporty.
Why did he start an entirely new account instead of just having the boss's rename it for him?
Quote from: hounddog on December 08, 2013, 02:44:25 AM
:lol: Thanks. My being back is likely temporary, as I have found myself with considerable downtime lately with not feeling 100% and so on.
I was not aware that was Sporty.
Why did he start an entirely new account instead of just having the boss's rename it for him?
Long story...I'll let him tell it.
Sorry to hear you're not feeling great. Hope to hear you're feeling much better soon.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 07, 2013, 11:06:36 PM
Dude, if you want to send me a scan of the ticket privately, I'll look it over and inquire on your behalf (not using your name) if you'd like.
I've had a few buddies with New York licenses who have gotten speeding tickets outside New York in recent years, and they were the ones who told me that only a couple of Canadian provinces are reciprocal with New York in terms of violations appearing on your license. The NYS DMV website is pretty clear about it.
Don't get confused about the much broader compact among states to suspend home state licenses of drivers who fail to answer out-of-state tickets. Many people think that means violations are reciprocal among those states, but that's not true. The home state only gets informed if you fail to pay the ticket or appear in court to get it dismissed.
You really need to take a closer look at the ticket. As I said, I can help look it over for you if you'd like. But just the fact that he gave you a ticket and let you drive off makes me think the ticket is no more serious than speeding. Heavy speeding, yes, but not at the next level.
Is this your first ticket? I don't remember you ever mentioning one before. Trust me, by the 5th or 6th, they get a lot easier to deal with.... :lol:
When I got my ticket in New York back in late May, I checked the CT DMV website to see about out-of-state violations, but it was very vague. So I emailed my question to the DMV and they came back telling me it would not appear on my license as long as I paid it.
Alright I am going to unpack the car today so I will send you a scan. I do appreciate it. I got a few speeding tickets in my youth, but wisened up to where enforcement is stricter and also just started driving like *less* of an asshole. I do believe there is a court date on it but only if I choose to plead not guilty. It's $220 which is nothing. I looked up the law and NJ only gets serious for speeding 30 MPH+. I was only doing 26 over. Its still 5 points though.
NC seems a lot stricter. Long story short if I were convicted of this here my license would be suspended for 30 days which would be a real pain. So I am definitely hoping it doesn't get sent over.
Another weird thing was my plates don't match my registration. When the cop saw that all his buddies came by like I was a potential felon, but then I guess they saw the shit was registered and insured under my name and calmed down. That was fucking scary. No issue though and no ticket for that.
hounddog I needed a break. I went to the NYC GTG and people said to sign back up, so I thought about it and I did.
Ok, first question:
Do you have an NC issued driver's license or a NY license?
If you are still licensed in NY and haven't switched over to an NC license, then NC cannot under any circumstances suspend your license, nor do they have any control over your driving record. NJ will report to NY and NY won't add anything to your driving record unless it was a drug/alcohol related offense. NY will suspend your license only if you fail to respond to the ticket (either pay the fine or manage to get it thrown out in court). And since it doesn't show up on your driving record, you insurance company shouldn't find out about it either. Pay the fine and you're home free.
If your valid license is in NC and you gave the police your old, technically invalid (you can't be licensed in two states simultaneously) NY license, well, you gave the police a bogus ID. It probably won't ever get picked up as long as you pay the fine. Since you gave them a NY license, it shouldn't get back to NC unless NY's system identifies that you changed your license over to NC and directs information there. I somehow doubt interstate communication between DOTs/DMVs is that good.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 08, 2013, 07:36:12 AM
Alright I am going to unpack the car today so I will send you a scan. I do appreciate it. I got a few speeding tickets in my youth, but wisened up to where enforcement is stricter and also just started driving like *less* of an asshole. I do believe there is a court date on it but only if I choose to plead not guilty. It's $220 which is nothing. I looked up the law and NJ only gets serious for speeding 30 MPH+. I was only doing 26 over. Its still 5 points though.
NC seems a lot stricter. Long story short if I were convicted of this here my license would be suspended for 30 days which would be a real pain. So I am definitely hoping it doesn't get sent over.
Another weird thing was my plates don't match my registration. When the cop saw that all his buddies came by like I was a potential felon, but then I guess they saw the shit was registered and insured under my name and calmed down. That was fucking scary. No issue though and no ticket for that.
hounddog I needed a break. I went to the NYC GTG and people said to sign back up, so I thought about it and I did.
I'm happy to help. I don't think you really have a problem. I just want to get you from the point where you're worried about your ticket to the point where you're proud of it. Because you should be. As I said before, that's a damn fine ticket and I have to confess that I'm a bit jealous that I've never gotten nailed at such an impressive speed.
Quote from: MX793 on December 08, 2013, 08:09:10 AM
Ok, first question:
Do you have an NC issued driver's license or a NY license?
If you are still licensed in NY and haven't switched over to an NC license, then NC cannot under any circumstances suspend your license, nor do they have any control over your driving record. NJ will report to NY and NY won't add anything to your driving record unless it was a drug/alcohol related offense. NY will suspend your license only if you fail to respond to the ticket (either pay the fine or manage to get it thrown out in court). And since it doesn't show up on your driving record, you insurance company shouldn't find out about it either. Pay the fine and you're home free.
If your valid license is in NC and you gave the police your old, technically invalid (you can't be licensed in two states simultaneously) NY license, well, you gave the police a bogus ID. It probably won't ever get picked up as long as you pay the fine. Since you gave them a NY license, it shouldn't get back to NC unless NY's system identifies that you changed your license over to NC and directs information there. I somehow doubt interstate communication between DOTs/DMVs is that good.
I have an NC license now. I needed it to register my car.
From the sounds of this, I will just pay the fine. Sounds like too much has to line up for it to get back to my insurer.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 08, 2013, 08:57:39 AM
I have an NC license now. I needed it to register my car.
From the sounds of this, I will just pay the fine. Sounds like too much has to line up for it to get back to my insurer.
I'm confused. You said you gave them a NY license when you got pulled over. When I switched my license to Connecticut, I had to surrender my NY license. How do you have a license from 2 states?
I'm waiting for Cougs to weigh in on this. He'll probably advise you to spend $1,000 on a lawyer to try to get out of a $220 fine... :lol:
What road did you get nailed on? The New Jersey Turnpike? I had a great drive up that road once from Washington early on a Sunday morning and I was driving at a similar speed to you. I did see at one point on the other side that a whole bunch of cars got ambushed the way you did. The troopers had what looked like about 10 cars pulled over and lined up getting tickets. Seeing that only made me want to go faster.... :lol:
It's funny how much more comfortable many of us are in confiding stuff to our CarSPIN buddies than some people in real life. When I got my speeding ticket, I wouldn't have dreamed of posting it on Facebook, but of course I posted it here. I see Sporty has done the same thing.
When I got my NC license they didn't make me suspend by NY license. I know they knew I had it because they wouldn't let me register my cars in NC without an NC license.
I got dinged on I-78. My last speeding ticket was on the Turnpike about 4-5 years ago. I definitely still speed, but I usually keep it to within 10-15 MPH above the limit.
And only SPINNERs would understand basically racing an X5 on public streets which is pretty much what was going on. Thankfully I didn't get dinged for that too or I probably wouldn't be here posting. I'm not complaining about the consequences... I knew what the deal was. Still sucks though. I just wanted to get home to my baby
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 08, 2013, 09:18:57 AM
When I got my NC license they didn't make me suspend by NY license. I know they knew I had it because they wouldn't let me register my cars in NC without an NC license.
I got dinged on I-78. My last speeding ticket was on the Turnpike about 4-5 years ago. I definitely still speed, but I usually keep it to within 10-15 MPH above the limit.
And only SPINNERs would understand basically racing an X5 on public streets which is pretty much what was going on. Thankfully I didn't get dinged for that too or I probably wouldn't be here posting. I'm not complaining about the consequences... I knew what the deal was. Still sucks though. I just wanted to get home to my baby
It is what it is. I speed for sport, mostly, and like you, I know the deal and that you have to accept the consequences if you get nailed. I learned long ago that I can control how I react to these things, and I choose to react with good humor rather than getting upset.
Don't let an occasional ticket slow you down. Man up and keep speeding. :devil:
5 POINTS!! Are you sure?
Quote from: dazzleman on December 08, 2013, 09:23:09 AM
It is what it is. I speed for sport, mostly, and like you, I know the deal and that you have to accept the consequences if you get nailed. I learned long ago that I can control how I react to these things, and I choose to react with good humor rather than getting upset.
Don't let an occasional ticket slow you down. Man up and keep speeding. :devil:
No way. I enjoy pushing my car but I should really take it to the track. I'd rather put my money towards track days and upgrades than tickets and insurance. I just need to control myself.
Quote from: MX793 on December 08, 2013, 10:05:07 AM
It'd be a 6 point offense in NY.
WOW! I thought Ohio was tough. My friend Will got caught 100+ (he actually was originally clocked at 96 but the LEO clocked him at 140 while trying to chase him down) in a 65 and "Only" got 4 points.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 08, 2013, 10:11:52 AM
No way. I enjoy pushing my car but I should really take it to the track. I'd rather put my money towards track days and upgrades than tickets and insurance. I just need to control myself.
I don't mean race. But we all know how painful it is to drive within 10 mph of the speed limit. It feels like crawling.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 08, 2013, 09:18:57 AMWhen I got my NC license they didn't make me suspend by NY license. I know they knew I had it because they wouldn't let me register my cars in NC without an NC license.
You can't hold two valid licenses from two different states. You either live in NY or NC and your state of residence is where your license should be from. It's not the state's responsibility to "make" you suspend or destroy your old license when you get a new one in another state...it's yours. You're potentially committing a criminal act (much more than just a simple traffic infraction) by applying for and keeping two different licenses, not to mention giving one to an officer on a stop that you know is no longer valid. That neither NY or NC has discovered that you have two licenses is surprising, since most states check such things. You're probably lucky that you didn't get hooked up for some form of criminal falsification for providing your old license to the officer who stopped you.
Yes, absolutely if it were me I'd pay that $1,000 to a lawyer. I have a perfect track record fighting tickets so I'd have no qualms about it. But that is this state. I don't know how easy it is to game NY's system.
It saves big money on insurance, and protecting reputation is vital as driving record can be used against you - for anything from eligibility to rent a car, to getting a job, to being used against you in a civil proceeding esp. one involving an accident.
And your license would get suspended for 91 in a 65 in NC? Jesus holy hell that his laughable "speed kills" hegemony personified. I'd absolutely never live in such a messed up state. This whole concept of points is ridiculous too. I'd never put up with it.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 08, 2013, 11:29:29 AM
Yes, absolutely if it were me I'd pay that $1,000 to a lawyer. I have a perfect track record fighting tickets so I'd have no qualms about it. But that is this state. I don't know how easy it is to game NY's system.
It saves big money on insurance, and protecting reputation is vital as driving record can be used against you - for anything from eligibility to rent a car, to getting a job, to being used against you in a civil proceeding esp. one involving an accident.
And your license would get suspended for 91 in a 65 in NC? Jesus holy hell that his laughable "speed kills" hegemony personified. I'd absolutely never live in such a messed up state. This whole concept of points is ridiculous too. I'd never put up with it.
So if you got the perfect job in a cool neighborhood in a state with plenty of drag strips and race tracks you wouldn't move there because of overly tough traffic laws :wtf:
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on December 08, 2013, 10:26:20 AM
WOW! I thought Ohio was tough. My friend Will got caught 100+ (he actually was originally clocked at 96 but the LEO clocked him at 140 while trying to chase him down) in a 65 and "Only" got 4 points.
For NY
1-10 over = 3 pts
11-20 over = 4 pts
21-30 over = 6 pts
31-40 over = 8 pts
41+ over = 11 pts (automatic suspension)
A total of 11 points in 18 months or 3 speeding infractions in 18 months (regardless of total points) results in license suspension.
Quote from: MX793 on December 08, 2013, 11:41:02 AM
For NY
1-10 over = 3 pts
11-20 over = 4 pts
21-30 over = 6 pts
31-40 over = 8 pts
41+ over = 11 pts (automatic suspension)
A total of 11 points in 18 months or 3 speeding infractions in 18 months (regardless of total points) results in license suspension.
I have 3 points on my NY record because of my ticket there last May. It would have been 6 points if the trooper hadn't reduced my speed on the ticket.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 08, 2013, 11:29:29 AM
Yes, absolutely if it were me I'd pay that $1,000 to a lawyer. I have a perfect track record fighting tickets so I'd have no qualms about it. But that is this state. I don't know how easy it is to game NY's system.
It saves big money on insurance, and protecting reputation is vital as driving record can be used against you - for anything from eligibility to rent a car, to getting a job, to being used against you in a civil proceeding esp. one involving an accident.
And your license would get suspended for 91 in a 65 in NC? Jesus holy hell that his laughable "speed kills" hegemony personified. I'd absolutely never live in such a messed up state. This whole concept of points is ridiculous too. I'd never put up with it.
You've changed your tune in the last 6 years.... :lol:
Quote from: GoCougs on May 14, 2007, 09:49:31 PM
I think most would agree 15 over does deserve a ticket on all but the largest and most barren of freeways. IMO, the no-ticket threshold should be 10 over or less; unless it's a crowded arterial, school zone, etc.
I just got popped two weeks ago for 65 in a 55 on a four lane controlled access highway. The citing officer didn't even check my insurance, or call in my license. It was literally a two minute process.
Nonetheless, as at least a few have stated, that's the game: people know the consequences if caught.
I, like many, don't want to take at least half a day to go to a court date; in this specific case my only recourse would be to lie - which I'm not going to do.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 08, 2013, 11:37:30 AM
So if you got the perfect job in a cool neighborhood in a state with plenty of drag strips and race tracks you wouldn't move there because of overly tough traffic laws :wtf:
Impossible premise, as was mine - I'd never leave the Seattle area.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 08, 2013, 12:04:51 PM
You've changed your tune in the last 6 years.... :lol:
Oh, I think that's consistent. 91 in a 65 on a vacant modern freeway ain't nothing. Throw in heavy traffic or driving rain and it starts to be a problem. Oh, and I still don't waste half a day going to court ;) - I'll let someone else lie for me! (Though in reality my traffic lawyers don't argue the merits of the case.)
Quote from: GoCougs on December 08, 2013, 01:04:50 PM
Oh, I think that's consistent. 91 in a 65 on a vacant modern freeway ain't nothing. Throw in heavy traffic or driving rain and it starts to be a problem. Oh, and I still don't waste half a day going to court ;) - I'll let someone else lie for me! (Though in reality my traffic lawyers don't argue the merits of the case.)
You're very good at mental gymnastics. So 10 over in a 55 zone = take your medicine and pay up, while 91 in a 65 ain't nothing. Got you.... ;) :lol:
Speeding in Jersey? Come on, man, rookie mistake. Fascist speed limit enforcement out there.
Quote from: Raza on December 08, 2013, 02:38:43 PM
Speeding in Jersey? Come on, man, rookie mistake. Fascist speed limit enforcement out there.
I thought Pennsylvania was worse.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 08, 2013, 02:39:51 PM
I thought Pennsylvania was worse.
Pennsylvania is bad, but NJ is much, much worse. Of the states I drive in regularly, namely NJ, PA, and DE, PA is the easiest to speed in regularly.
Quote from: Raza on December 08, 2013, 02:41:07 PM
Pennsylvania is bad, but NJ is much, much worse. Of the states I drive in regularly, namely NJ, PA, and DE, PA is the easiest to speed in regularly.
Do you actually refrain from speeding in New Jersey?
Quote from: dazzleman on December 08, 2013, 02:47:00 PM
Do you actually refrain from speeding in New Jersey?
I take it easier, that's for sure. On some highways it's difficult because the average speed there is insane sometimes. I remember doing 90+ on the NJT and being passed left and right.
Most of my driving in NJ these days is on the ACE, so I usually don't do more than 10 over on that. Too many piggies and too many spots for them to hide.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 08, 2013, 11:29:29 AM
Yes, absolutely if it were me I'd pay that $1,000 to a lawyer. I have a perfect track record fighting tickets so I'd have no qualms about it. But that is this state. I don't know how easy it is to game NY's system.
The ticket was in NJ, and you don't even need to game the system here. They actually give you a mulligan called "unsafe operation" which you can use once every two years, or something like that. Basically, the moving violation goes away and you pay a very inflated fine (between $300 and $400). People use it if they're on the brink of license suspension or fearful of big insurance hikes (young people use it a lot).
I don't understand the point of trying to "game" the system for a simple speeding ticket that you know you're guilty of in the first place, but that's a debate for another day.
Quote from: Raza on December 08, 2013, 02:38:43 PM
Speeding in Jersey? Come on, man, rookie mistake. Fascist speed limit enforcement out there.
New Jersey's speed enforcement is pretty tame compared to a lot of places. Delaware is terrible, Maryland is slightly worse and Virginia is absolutely nuts. Pennsylvania gets bad on I-95 north of Philly when you're heading towards Trenton. Philly PD doesn't really do a lot of traffic stuff but the troopers are brutal when you get outside the city limits.
Quote from: TurboDan on December 08, 2013, 03:59:07 PM
New Jersey's speed enforcement is pretty tame compared to a lot of places. Delaware is terrible, Maryland is slightly worse and Virginia is absolutely nuts. Pennsylvania gets bad on I-95 north of Philly when you're heading towards Trenton. Philly PD doesn't really do a lot of traffic stuff but the troopers are brutal when you get outside the city limits.
You've had a long dry spell. You need to step up your game.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 08, 2013, 04:03:38 PM
You've had a long dry spell. You need to step up your game.
Yeah, I believe it was the fall of 2004 when I got my last ticket. It was 87 in a 65. It's tougher to speed in an SUV... the "thrill" isn't really there.
Quote from: TurboDan on December 08, 2013, 10:32:55 PM
Yeah, I believe it was the fall of 2004 when I got my last ticket. It was 87 in a 65. It's tougher to speed in an SUV... the "thrill" isn't really there.
Get a better vehicle then. The emperor of a car forum needs a suitable car for fun driving.
Quote from: TurboDan on December 08, 2013, 03:59:07 PM
New Jersey's speed enforcement is pretty tame compared to a lot of places. Delaware is terrible, Maryland is slightly worse and Virginia is absolutely nuts. Pennsylvania gets bad on I-95 north of Philly when you're heading towards Trenton. Philly PD doesn't really do a lot of traffic stuff but the troopers are brutal when you get outside the city limits.
I've literally done tens of thousands of miles on I-95 between Princeton and Wilmington. Jersey and DE are definitely worse.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 09, 2013, 04:00:11 AM
Get a better vehicle then. The emperor of a car forum needs a suitable car for fun driving.
Ehh, we'll see. I do need something that can A) drive on the beach and B) tow a boat. Not many (any?) fun cars can do that. We'll see what the next purchase will be. If the LR can stay around to do "utilitarian" stuff I wouldn't mind getting a GTI or a used Z4.
I had a nightmare in which I was caught doing 120 in a 35. I blame this thread.
Quote from: Laconian on December 09, 2013, 07:45:43 PM
I had a nightmare in which I was caught doing 120 in a 35. I blame this thread.
Were you arrested in the dream?
Quote from: dazzleman on December 09, 2013, 07:49:56 PM
Were you arrested in the dream?
Yes. I didn't remember speeding so I was vehement about my innocence. The cop was saying things like, "you have too much power in that car, it's no wonder why you sped so fast", etc.
This is probably what police interactions are like in Russia if you can't muster the bribe.
Quote from: Laconian on December 09, 2013, 08:19:07 PM
Yes. I didn't remember speeding so I was vehement about my innocence. The cop was saying things like, "you have too much power in that car, it's no wonder why you sped so fast", etc.
This is probably what police interactions are like in Russia if you can't muster the bribe.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: GoCougs on December 08, 2013, 11:29:29 AM
Yes, absolutely if it were me I'd pay that $1,000 to a lawyer. I have a perfect track record fighting tickets so I'd have no qualms about it. But that is this state. I don't know how easy it is to game NY's system.
It saves big money on insurance, and protecting reputation is vital as driving record can be used against you - for anything from eligibility to rent a car, to getting a job, to being used against you in a civil proceeding esp. one involving an accident.
And your license would get suspended for 91 in a 65 in NC? Jesus holy hell that his laughable "speed kills" hegemony personified. I'd absolutely never live in such a messed up state. This whole concept of points is ridiculous too. I'd never put up with it.
In practice probably not, but it could be. NC's speed code and point system is a little draconian, but in the real world enforcement isn't particularly stringent, and there are usually remedies available to protect your license should you get caught.
As far as the "I'd never live" nonsense, I sincerely doubt speeding tickets have the slightest impact on your major life decisions, or that you have the foggiest notion of the different nuances in interstate motor vehicle statutes.
Although in case you actually care, Washington regards any amount of speed in excess of the posted limits as prima facie evidence of reckless driving (RCW 46.61.465) and authorizes suspension for reckless driving convictions (RCW 46.61.500).
Quote from: Laconian on December 09, 2013, 07:45:43 PM
I had a nightmare in which I was caught doing 120 in a 35. I blame this thread.
I had a similar nightmare once, where I was pulled over by the cops who shot Amadou Diallo. It was not a fun dream. This was before CarSPIN existed though. I was working on a paper and presentation on hate crime legislation.
Quote from: Raza on December 10, 2013, 02:08:07 PM
I had a similar nightmare once, where I was pulled over by the cops who shot Amadou Diallo. It was not a fun dream. This was before CarSPIN existed though. I was working on a paper and presentation on hate crime legislation.
Yeah, I guess if you were an illegal alien who ran from the cops and didn't speak any English and refused to comply with their orders, you'd have something to worry about there. Legal immigration rules include knowing the language for a reason. :rolleyes:
Well NJ lawyers got word of my ticket and started sending stuff over... looks like I'm screwed, I already paid the ticket. I wonder if I can reverse my plea
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 14, 2013, 02:13:19 PM
Well NJ lawyers got word of my ticket and started sending stuff over... looks like I'm screwed, I already paid the ticket. I wonder if I can reverse my plea
Why are you screwed?
They sent the letters to this address. If the lawyers know odds are the court and state know, so this shit will come back to my NC record. I should have just waited and called some lawyers down there. I paid the ticket so I plead guilty. I'm fucked
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 14, 2013, 02:28:03 PM
They sent the letters to this address. If the lawyers know odds are the court and state know, so this shit will come back to my NC record. I should have just waited and called some lawyers down there. I paid the ticket so I plead guilty. I'm fucked
But I thought you gave the cop you're New York license? Just forget the fucking thing. It's a lot harder for it to show up on your license than it is for an ambulance chaser lawyer to find out about it.
I did. I can't just forget it. The world doesn't work that way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_License_Compact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_License_Compact)
Almost all states exchange citation information. New Jersey asesses only 2 points per civil infraction, regardless if the penalties are higher in other states.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 14, 2013, 02:37:59 PM
I did. I can't just forget it. The world doesn't work that way.
I don't know what to tell you now. I offered to anonymously make the necessary inquiries for you so you could have all the facts before you just paid it. I think you just reacted too emotionally to the whole thing and weren't really thinking logically. What's done is done. I don't think anything is going to happen anyway.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 14, 2013, 02:42:27 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_License_Compact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_License_Compact)
Almost all states exchange citation information. New Jersey asesses only 2 points per civil infraction, regardless if the penalties are higher in other states.
IIRC, you get the points that your home state would give you for the infraction, not what the state where the actual infraction occurred would give you.
According to the NC driver's manual:
"Convictions occurring outside North Carolina may result in your license being
suspended or revoked just as if the violations occurred in this state."
The key word here being "may". Also, we don't know if word of the ticket will ever reach NC because he gave the police a NY license. The NJ lawyers likely used an address service to locate his current, NC mailing address.
Quote from: MX793 on December 14, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
IIRC, you get the points that your home state would give you for the infraction, not what the state where the actual infraction occurred would give you.
According to the NC driver's manual:
"Convictions occurring outside North Carolina may result in your license being
suspended or revoked just as if the violations occurred in this state."
The key word here being "may". Also, we don't know if word of the ticket will ever reach NC because he gave the police a NY license. The NJ lawyers likely used an address service to locate his current, NC mailing address.
That's correct.
The most currently issued license is the one that all the points will attach to, regardless of which one he gave them. Penalty points wil be "awarded" according to the North Carolina schedule, not the New Jersey schedule.
He gave the cop a New York license and New York doesn't transfer violations from New Jersey. I think it ends there.
Though I haven't seen a real explanation for why he has more than one license.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 03:04:01 PM
He gave the cop a New York license and New York doesn't transfer violations from New Jersey. I think it ends there.
Though I haven't seen a real explanation for why he has more than one license.
They don't transfer points, but they do exchange information. If he has been issued a North Carolina license, then his information will also transfer to North Carolina, which will likely assess points.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 14, 2013, 03:06:58 PM
They don't transfer points, but they do exchange information. If he has been issued a North Carolina license, then his information will also transfer to North Carolina, which will likely assess points.
Maybe. I don't know the interplay between NC and NY since my understanding is NC should have made him surrender his NY license when they him a license.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 03:10:52 PM
Maybe. I don't know the interplay between NC and NY since my understanding is NC should have made him surrender his NY license when they him a license.
They don't usually ask. I've had a Michigan, a Georgia, and a Colorado license at the same time before. There's a line saying that he has to in the paperwork, but nobody ever actually asked if I had one to turn in.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 14, 2013, 03:37:07 PM
They don't usually ask. I've had a Michigan, a Georgia, and a Colorado license at the same time before. There's a line saying that he has to in the paperwork, but nobody ever actually asked if I had one to turn in.
Interesting. When I switched my license from New York to Connecticut, I was required to surrender my New York license at the Connecticut DMV. There was a special part of the license application for reciprocity that included waiving the written and road test and surrenduring the other license.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 03:45:23 PM
Interesting. When I switched my license from New York to Connecticut, I was required to surrender my New York license at the Connecticut DMV. There was a special part of the license application for reciprocity that included waiving the written and road test and surrenduring the other license.
It may be different because this was a CDL. I would think it would be more stringent, but maybe not.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 14, 2013, 03:47:10 PM
It may be different because this was a CDL. I would think it would be more stringent, but maybe not.
I don't have a CDL but I imagine a CDL would be more stringent.
It must have been nice for you to have multiple state licenses. Being able to play "ticket roulette" is a nice advantage. :devil:
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 03:45:23 PM
Interesting. When I switched my license from New York to Connecticut, I was required to surrender my New York license at the Connecticut DMV. There was a special part of the license application for reciprocity that included waiving the written and road test and surrenduring the other license.
The driver's manual in NY reads the same.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 03:51:35 PM
I don't have a CDL but I imagine a CDL would be more stringent.
It must have been nice for you to have multiple state licenses. Being able to play "ticket roulette" is a nice advantage. :devil:
Actually, it had to do with getting oversize permits cheaper.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 14, 2013, 02:37:59 PM
I did. I can't just forget it. The world doesn't work that way.
Are you sure they're not sending it to your NY address and it's being forwarded to NC?
Regardless, do you really think the New Jersey State Police is going to send a trooper down to North Carolina to arrest you over a traffic ticket that you already paid and has been cleared from the system? If they thought you did something illegal with the licenses, you would have been charged at the scene. They're not in the business of triple checking a random speeding ticket that has already been paid to see if addresses match up. You paid the damn thing. That's all they really care about.
Or are you just worried about the points?
Quote from: TurboDan on December 14, 2013, 04:53:40 PM
Are you sure they're not sending it to your NY address and it's being forwarded to NC?
Regardless, do you really think the New Jersey State Police is going to send a trooper down to North Carolina to arrest you over a traffic ticket that you already paid and has been cleared from the system? If they thought you did something illegal with the licenses, you would have been charged at the scene. They're not in the business of triple checking a random speeding ticket that has already been paid to see if addresses match up. You paid the damn thing. That's all they really care about.
Or are you just worried about the points?
I think his bigger concern is points ending up on his NC license and other penalties. Per NC traffic laws, if you're going 15+ over the limit and your vehicle is traveling over 55 mph, it's an automatic 30-day license suspension.
Quote from: MX793 on December 14, 2013, 05:02:52 PM
I think his bigger concern is points ending up on his NC license and other penalties. Per NC traffic laws, if you're going 15+ over the limit and your vehicle is traveling over 55 mph, it's an automatic 30-day license suspension.
I'm guessing that's unlikely since the NC license wasn't the one to which the ticket was issued.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 08:54:09 PM
I'm guessing that's unlikely since the NC license wasn't the one to which the ticket was issued.
It's probably likely. Man paying that ticket was a bad decision. I'm probably gonna have to sell the car.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 14, 2013, 09:20:30 PM
It's probably likely. Man paying that ticket was a bad decision. I'm probably gonna have to sell the car.
Talk to a lawyer in North Carolina, if only to get the information you need. You might be able to put your mind to rest. If not, then count on the incompetence and inefficiency of government that we're always talking about. Maybe they'll never connect the dots.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 14, 2013, 09:20:30 PM
It's probably likely. Man paying that ticket was a bad decision. I'm probably gonna have to sell the car.
Ride it out and see what happens first. No need to fret over it now.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 14, 2013, 09:23:27 PM
Ride it out and see what happens first. No need to fret over it now.
I agree. I still think it will probably come to nothing.
Still, it's always good to have all available information before making a decision.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 08:54:09 PM
I'm guessing that's unlikely since the NC license wasn't the one to which the ticket was issued.
Did he hand over his registration or maybe they can see his address from the license plate # on the ticket?
Quote from: HotRodPilot on December 15, 2013, 12:24:49 AM
Did he hand over his registration or maybe they can see his address from the license plate # on the ticket?
That's exactly how the troopers got it.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 15, 2013, 06:47:07 AM
That's exactly how the troopers got it.
Talk to a New Jersey lawyer. Maybe they'll let you withdraw your guilty plea and plead it down. All they care about is getting your money.
Also, talk to a lawyer in North Carolina to get the real scoop. Sorry about your troubles, man. I think if you make the right moves, you'll come out OK.
I dunno if I'm the odd one out, but I would think as soon as you sign that ticket and mail it in pleading guilty, there's no going back unless you claim someone fraudulently signed it and mailed it in...
Quote from: SVT_Power on December 15, 2013, 09:17:43 AM
I dunno if I'm the odd one out, but I would think as soon as you sign that ticket and mail it in pleading guilty, there's no going back unless you claim someone fraudulently signed it and mailed it in...
Probably true, but it can't hurt to investigate.
Ain't looking good:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/north-carolina/730976-out-state-ticket-suspended-license-nc.html (http://www.city-data.com/forum/north-carolina/730976-out-state-ticket-suspended-license-nc.html)
Talk about ass-backwards traffic laws in that state. Sorry Sporty. :frown:
Quote from: TurboDan on December 15, 2013, 01:44:15 PM
Ain't looking good:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/north-carolina/730976-out-state-ticket-suspended-license-nc.html (http://www.city-data.com/forum/north-carolina/730976-out-state-ticket-suspended-license-nc.html)
Talk about ass-backwards traffic laws in that state. Sorry Sporty. :frown:
I hope they don't make the connection between the NY and NC licenses. Sporty should definitely talk to a NJ lawyer.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 15, 2013, 02:15:33 PM
I hope they don't make the connection between the NY and NC licenses. Sporty should definitely talk to a NJ lawyer.
Pretty sure once you swear your guilt to the court under the threat of perjury and write the state a check, it's a settled matter. His saving grace will be if NJ MVC notifies New York and not N.C. I don't know how the NJ MVC computers work and how well the states are connected to each other, and whether it goes by the license presented at the scene or if there's a larger database that just searches out the driver wherever he or she may be licensed.
Car is registered in NC probably connected to my license. So yea, I'm fucked. I might get dropped from my insurer and a whole slew of other fun stuff. Whatever. I'm gonna hit up some NJ lawyers tomorrow and see if there is anything I can do.
Why would your insurance company drop you? Is your record that bad?
Quote from: MX793 on December 15, 2013, 05:35:26 PM
Why would your insurance company drop you? Is your record that bad?
With this ticket, it might be. Depending on how it plays out.
I still say wait and see.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 15, 2013, 05:39:29 PM
With this ticket, it might be. Depending on how it plays out.
I still say wait and see.
Must depend on the insurance company. Based on my policy description, mine only seems to care about incidents that result in damage and a claim. As best as I can tell, they only assign one point (if that, it's not clear in the literature) for a traffic conviction in which there was not accident or injury.
I just find it hard to believe that one accident from a couple of years ago (?) and a speeding ticket (not reckless driving, just speeding) would result in someone getting the boot unless there's more on Sporty's driving record than I'm aware of. An increase in rates, maybe, but not being dropped outright.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 15, 2013, 05:22:45 PM
Car is registered in NC probably connected to my license. So yea, I'm fucked. I might get dropped from my insurer and a whole slew of other fun stuff. Whatever. I'm gonna hit up some NJ lawyers tomorrow and see if there is anything I can do.
Does it have NC plates? I'm surprised the cop didn't ask you if you had an NC license (or question the NY license) since you were driving a car, registered to you, at a North Carolina address with North Carolina plates.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 15, 2013, 05:22:45 PM
Car is registered in NC probably connected to my license. So yea, I'm fucked. I might get dropped from my insurer and a whole slew of other fun stuff. Whatever. I'm gonna hit up some NJ lawyers tomorrow and see if there is anything I can do.
Relax.
Thousands of people have cars registered in a state other than where they live, read: vacation properties.
It is a non-issue as far as that goes. The only reason to bring this to the attention of pretty much anyone is if someone asks you about it from an official department. The easiest way to make your screw up go away is to pay the ticket and make it just go away.
And put your NY license in a desk drawer for when you are 50 to laugh at how young you looked.
Quote from: SVT_Power on December 15, 2013, 09:17:43 AM
I dunno if I'm the odd one out, but I would think as soon as you sign that ticket and mail it in pleading guilty, there's no going back unless you claim someone fraudulently signed it and mailed it in...
No, as long as you just admit the "accident" when confronted you should be fine.
"Accidents" happen all the time like this. :huh:
All I have on my record in the last 3 years is that bike accident and this ticket. So they probably won't drop me. But I am thinking my license will get suspended, which along with the violation will spike the hell out of my rates. I was less than a year from the bike thing being off my record too :facepalm:
And I could have just paid a lawyer to make it go away. Whatever you live and you learn.
In a couple of months the bike should clear and your rates should go back down if they do spike.
Sadly another classic example of the irrational hegemony of speed enforcement rearing ts ugly head after all is said and done...
Example #14 as why ALL moving violations MUST be fought with a lawyer WITHOUT exception.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 03:45:23 PM
Interesting. When I switched my license from New York to Connecticut, I was required to surrender my New York license at the Connecticut DMV. There was a special part of the license application for reciprocity that included waiving the written and road test and surrenduring the other license.
A lot of states do that, NC doesn't for whatever reason. They don't even punch VOID on the old one.
Quote from: TurboDan on December 15, 2013, 01:44:15 PM
Ain't looking good:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/north-carolina/730976-out-state-ticket-suspended-license-nc.html (http://www.city-data.com/forum/north-carolina/730976-out-state-ticket-suspended-license-nc.html)
Talk about ass-backwards traffic laws in that state. Sorry Sporty. :frown:
That was NJ notifying NC of the infraction because the ticket was written on a NC license.
Since he (improperly) used the old NY license, I am not sure NC will find out about it. Maybe, if NJ just sends out all out of state tickets to all 49 other states as a matter of course (which I cannot imagine they do).
I think you are worried about the chick with the egg yet to be hatched.
If this results in a suspended license, the 'ball' is already in motion so it cannot be stopped. Your focus should be less on "what-if" and more on future potential damage control. No need to talk to any lawyers and start racking up costs until you have notifications from NC.
Worrying about what "might be" is really much ado about nothing, and an honest act of futility. Until something happens, go about your normal life and quit worrying about things you no longer have control over.
Agreed. One time, I got pulled over for speeds and acts on a country road that I was pretty sure was going to land me at least without a license, and all I got was a stern warning. Don't jump to chickens before they're concluded.
Any update on this, sporty?
Just waiting, watching the mail.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 04, 2014, 05:02:11 PM
Just waiting, watching the mail.
Nothing like waiting for that letter or call to find out how much trouble you're in.
Hoping nothing comes of it.
It is what it is. I should have hired a lawyer instead of taking the advice of people who said not to worry about it. It is what it is
Sorry to hear. I would have never done that. I have ALWAYS gone to court and have never gotten a lawyer. I've never had a major infraction like a DUI, so this doesn't count for things like that.
The first step is the initial kangaroo court. The officer has a date to show up, so the court corrals all his tickets together to a convenient time and place. Just go, dress fairly well, bring a book, be polite and state your case. It's on the officer to prove his case. Be prepared to lose. No problem. Ask to take it to the next court, don't pay the fine and schedule a time as far out as they let you.
Then work it up from there to the next court. You and probably one or two other people out of many will probably be the only ones to contest it up the to the next level. The court has always given me a few times to choose from, so I know it's not necessarily in the officer's most convenient time. I've gotten out a several tickets, because they never show in the higher court. I don't know how that works, because it's a failure to appear, but they don't. You can also talk to the prosecutor beforehand and try to work something out. I don't surrender $$$ to the money making machine easily. They have to work for it and it keeps your point count down. I'd say I've gotten away with about 60% of the stuff and the rest is reduced, most importantly in point count.
Quote from: Klackamas on January 08, 2014, 03:44:39 PM
Sorry to hear. I would have never done that. I have ALWAYS gone to court and have never gotten a lawyer. I've never had a major infraction like a DUI, so this doesn't count for things like that.
The first step is the initial kangaroo court. The officer has a date to show up, so the court corrals all his tickets together to a convenient time and place. Just go, dress fairly well, bring a book, be polite and state your case. It's on the officer to prove his case. Be prepared to lose. No problem. Ask to take it to the next court, don't pay the fine and schedule a time as far out as they let you.
Then work it up from there to the next court. You and probably one or two other people out of many will probably be the only ones to contest it up the to the next level. The court has always given me a few times to choose from, so I know it's not necessarily in the officer's most convenient time. I've gotten out a several tickets, because they never show in the higher court. I don't know how that works, because it's a failure to appear, but they don't. You can also talk to the prosecutor beforehand and try to work something out. I don't surrender $$$ to the money making machine easily. They have to work for it and it keeps your point count down. I'd say I've gotten away with about 60% of the stuff and the rest is reduced, most importantly in point count.
Did you read the thread? Dude lives in North Carolina. Ticket was issued in NJ. Not exactly practical to go to court when the courthouse is 500 miles away.
Where in joisey? I just drove my sister to Logan township muni court for a 68/45 she got
where the heck is that!
Quote from: J86 on January 08, 2014, 07:34:13 PM
where the heck is that!
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Gloucester county, all the way down south
Quote from: Klackamas on January 08, 2014, 03:44:39 PM
Sorry to hear. I would have never done that. I have ALWAYS gone to court and have never gotten a lawyer. I've never had a major infraction like a DUI, so this doesn't count for things like that.
The first step is the initial kangaroo court. The officer has a date to show up, so the court corrals all his tickets together to a convenient time and place. Just go, dress fairly well, bring a book, be polite and state your case. It's on the officer to prove his case. Be prepared to lose. No problem. Ask to take it to the next court, don't pay the fine and schedule a time as far out as they let you.
Then work it up from there to the next court. You and probably one or two other people out of many will probably be the only ones to contest it up the to the next level. The court has always given me a few times to choose from, so I know it's not necessarily in the officer's most convenient time. I've gotten out a several tickets, because they never show in the higher court. I don't know how that works, because it's a failure to appear, but they don't. You can also talk to the prosecutor beforehand and try to work something out. I don't surrender $$$ to the money making machine easily. They have to work for it and it keeps your point count down. I'd say I've gotten away with about 60% of the stuff and the rest is reduced, most importantly in point count.
Sounds a lot more expensive than hiring a lawyer.
FWIW, at least IME, traffic lawyers don't argue the facts. They go after technicalities - suppressing evidence/reports, etc. I had a carpool lane ticket and thus zero material defense. She simply had the officer's report suppressed, thus the case was tossed.
Haha, just now reading this thread for the first time.
As I am reading through 12,000's posts, all I can think is "This guy is trolling the forum, right?" I cannot wrap my head around someone being this worried about a speeding ticket. I have gotten probably close to a dozen out of state tickets (PA, DE, MD, and NY) and I don't think I have ever seen it come back to me on my NJ license. WHile it may be true that NJ (and lots of other states) have the authority to send all this information back and forth, my impression is that they usually don't. We are talking about government bureaucracies, after all.
I have never fought an out of state ticket. One ticket I got in NY was so high I thought about it, but then realized that even though the trooper had the authority to impound my vehicle on the spot he didn't bother (because he didn't want the hassle, I am sure) I just paid the ticket and of course never heard back from them again. Technically I think they could have even suspended my right to drive in that state if they wanted. :huh: I got pulled over again in the same state (NY) a couple years later and since they didn't haul me off to jail I also assumed they never bothered to suspend my driving privileges. :muffin:
Quote from: SJ_GTI on April 01, 2014, 10:54:20 AM
Haha, just now reading this thread for the first time.
As I am reading through 12,000's posts, all I can think is "This guy is trolling the forum, right?" I cannot wrap my head around someone being this worried about a speeding ticket. I have gotten probably close to a dozen out of state tickets (PA, DE, MD, and NY) and I don't think I have ever seen it come back to me on my NJ license. WHile it may be true that NJ (and lots of other states) have the authority to send all this information back and forth, my impression is that they usually don't. We are talking about government bureaucracies, after all.
I have never fought an out of state ticket. One ticket I got in NY was so high I thought about it, but then realized that even though the trooper had the authority to impound my vehicle on the spot he didn't bother (because he didn't want the hassle, I am sure) I just paid the ticket and of course never heard back from them again. Technically I think they could have even suspended my right to drive in that state if they wanted. :huh: I got pulled over again in the same state (NY) a couple years later and since they didn't haul me off to jail I also assumed they never bothered to suspend my driving privileges. :muffin:
A dozen? I'm impressed.
Quote from: dazzleman on April 01, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
A dozen? I'm impressed.
Well, I said "close to a dozen. 7 is close to 12, right? :lol:
Just kidding. I actually don't know how many I have had. Off the top of my head something like:
NY: 3-4 (paid them...I can remember 3 specifically, but I am pretty sure I got 4)
PA: 2 (paid both)
NJ: 2 (fought one, paid the other)
DE: 1 (paid it)
MD: 1-2 (paid them, I got one a couple years ago, but I am pretty sure I got one when I was just out of college while I as out with my cousins)
Oddly enough, I have never been pulled over for speeding in Canada, despite living there almost 5 years. The PA and NY tickets were all achieved while driving to/from Canada though.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on April 04, 2014, 01:34:05 PM
Well, I said "close to a dozen. 7 is close to 12, right? :lol:
Just kidding. I actually don't know how many I have had. Off the top of my head something like:
NY: 3-4 (paid them...I can remember 3 specifically, but I am pretty sure I got 4)
PA: 2 (paid both)
NJ: 2 (fought one, paid the other)
DE: 1 (paid it)
MD: 1-2 (paid them, I got one a couple years ago, but I am pretty sure I got one when I was just out of college while I as out with my cousins)
Oddly enough, I have never been pulled over for speeding in Canada, despite living there almost 5 years. The PA and NY tickets were all achieved while driving to/from Canada though.
I think your record is almost as impressive as L. Ed Foote's. And you have the right attitude. Persistent defiance of rules regardless of penalty is the way to go.
What ever happened to that guy?
Quote from: J86 on April 04, 2014, 05:16:35 PM
What ever happened to that guy?
He's in Florida. I talk to him on Facebook. I haven't seen him here for a while.
Quote from: dazzleman on April 04, 2014, 05:37:43 PM
He's in Florida. I talk to him on Facebook. I haven't seen him here for a while.
Well, tell him to show up...we miss him.
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 04, 2014, 05:40:46 PM
Well, tell him to show up...we miss him.
I hope he comes back. I'm sure he has his reasons for not posting for a while. Maybe he got bored, or he's trying to build up his life in Florida, make new friends there, etc.
Any update on this, sporty? I guess no news is good news.
Quote from: dazzleman on April 04, 2014, 06:25:42 PM
I hope he comes back. I'm sure he has his reasons for not posting for a while. Maybe he got bored, or he's trying to build up his life in Florida, make new friends there, etc.
Didn't he come to the NYIAS GTG last year despite not having posted for a while? He was a cool guy, it'd be nice to have him back.
Quote from: TurboDan on April 24, 2014, 10:08:30 PM
Didn't he come to the NYIAS GTG last year despite not having posted for a while? He was a cool guy, it'd be nice to have him back.
L. Ed Foote came last year to the auto show. I don't remember when he stopped posting.
It would be great to have him back. I invited him to the auto show this year (before I realized I couldn't go myself) but he wasn't able to get up to New York for it as far as I know.