http://www.autoblog.com/2016/08/16/2017-genesis-g90-first-drive/
The Genesis/Equus looked cheap but I would put this interior up with any of the non Benz Germans
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Supposed 3 fighter on the way too.... hopefully they buy Lotus to sort the dynamics out by then....
Yeah, my Genesis had big dynamic issues. The newer one was a lot better in that regard.
Still looks old and non-descript
Quote from: 2o6 on August 16, 2016, 11:15:58 AM
Still looks old and non-descript
I feel like that interior could be inserted in to any random car.
I mean it looks reasonably high quality (always tough to tell in pictures), but the design is very bland.
That steering wheel is truly awful.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 16, 2016, 11:15:58 AM
Still looks old and non-descript
Will fit right in with the new 7 series then :lol:
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Reminds me of my steering wheel
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I hope that bottom spoke is metal otherwise :nono:
I still think Lexus' current interior design language is the best in the business though. Very high quality, distinctive and unapologetically Japanese.
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I agree.
I like the Genesis interior design over that Lexus. Can't comment on materials, obviously.
I'd also prefer the Genesis steering wheel over the BMW or Lexus wheel because I can grip the wheel at the 6 o'clock position. That's my preferred long distance hand placement.
Hyundai does this thing, they keep a model around and try to improve it, thereby making it a better product through successive generations.
It's something the japanese used to do pretty well.
That is the biggest threat hyundai poses to it's competition. they are stubborn, and don't just throw a model out(cough, general motors) when it doesn't shatter the market.
That said, I like it, they really need to put some focus on the gen coupe.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 16, 2016, 02:17:17 PM
Hyundai does this thing, they keep a model around and try to improve it, thereby making it a better product through successive generations.
It's something the japanese used to do pretty well.
That is the biggest threat hyundai poses to it's competition. they are stubborn, and don't just throw a model out(cough, general motors) when it doesn't shatter the market.
That said, I like it, they really need to put some focus on the gen coupe.
The Gen Coupe has been discontinued without replacement.
Quote from: MX793 on August 16, 2016, 02:26:24 PM
The Gen Coupe has been discontinued without replacement.
It's coming back under the Genesis brand. The question is how. They are supposedly putting the V6TT in, which could be good or bad. Good if they pair it with a good transmission and keep it light, bad if they make it a literal Genesis Coupe. For the latter I'd rather just have a "coupeified" sedan (or crossover :wub:).
I do think the Genesis Coupe was a bit confused, and ugly too. Too big, not sensual or sexy enough. That 3.8 V6 made great noises and pulled like a freight train though, particularly in the second iteration. People were getting some serious power out of them.
wen u read the first paragraph and think "what in the fuck is this guy talking about?"
"The Genesis G90, new flagship of a new brand, makes me think of Shakespeare. Specifically, the tragedy of Troilus and Cressida, one of the Bard's more obscure and difficult works. But not because that play has much to do with the G90, but because that oft-forgotten work lent the Toyota Cressida, itself an obscure thing, its name."
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 16, 2016, 02:53:38 PM
wen u read the first paragraph and think "what in the fuck is this guy talking about?"
"The Genesis G90, new flagship of a new brand, makes me think of Shakespeare. Specifically, the tragedy of Troilus and Cressida, one of the Bard's more obscure and difficult works. But not because that play has much to do with the G90, but because that oft-forgotten work lent the Toyota Cressida, itself an obscure thing, its name."
:wtf:
Trying to be too deep.
There's rumor that a luxury coupe will eventually be added to the Genesis brand at some point in the future. Something that aligns with the brand better than the current car. There are no immediate plans, though. I expect that if/when this new model arrives, it will not be in the same affordable price bracket as the current model.
Maybe Kia will get a variant the is more in keeping with the current car's mission as a pony car competitor.
Quote from: MX793 on August 16, 2016, 02:57:55 PM
There's rumor that a luxury coupe will eventually be added to the Genesis brand at some point in the future. Something that aligns with the brand better than the current car. There are no immediate plans, though. I expect that if/when this new model arrives, it will not be in the same affordable price bracket as the current model.
Maybe Kia will get a variant the is more in keeping with the current car's mission as a pony car competitor.
That would make the most sense from a branding POV.
Quote from: MrH on August 16, 2016, 11:05:12 AM
Yeah, my Genesis had big dynamic issues. The newer one was a lot better in that regard.
Did you have a coupe or sedan?
My dad has a 2012 sedan. I suppose it drives well if you never drive a BMW...
Quote from: Vinsanity on August 16, 2016, 06:36:38 PM
Did you have a coupe or sedan?
My dad has a 2012 sedan. I suppose it drives well if you never drive a BMW...
I had an R spec sedan for a bit.
Quote from: MrH on August 16, 2016, 06:45:50 PM
I had an R spec sedan for a bit.
I drove one of those around the block at an auto show event a few years back. Lovely engine, but yes, it felt like the engineers didn't spend very much time making the car into a coherent package, at least to the extent the Germans do.
It felt like a pig on stilts with a rocket strapped to its back. It was a weird vehicle.
South Korean suspension engineer's idea of luxury ride is is that of a 1970s Cadillac.
It wasn't even soft. It was harsh and also handled poorly. The suspension geometry was fucked up. You couldn't get enough caster to prevent it from wandering all over the road. Any curve of the road or unevenness sent the thing all over the place. Power steering was really, really, heavy and inconsistent so it got tiring to keep correcting all the time.
I'd like to see the camber curve on that thing. It felt like you didn't get anything as the car leaned. Had really goofy displacement based variable damping shocks on it.
The current Genesis is much better but they had to bring in Lotus to help.
The R-Spec was pretty stiff, but other first-gen Genesis sedans were fine. Not perfect, but respectably comfortable without being wallowy.
The materials look top notch. :mrcool:
It's just the cabin design appears so uninspired and boring.
It's in the league of the A8 and 7 series as far as design goes. Neither of those set the world on fire. But you know my motto.... when you are a new challenger in as established segment, "good enough is not enough". Interior of these things have to make you glaze your underoos.
Quote from: MrH on August 16, 2016, 07:27:58 PM
It felt like a pig on stilts with a rocket strapped to its back. It was a weird vehicle.
Sounds like a typical "american tuned" suspension.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 18, 2016, 05:42:16 AM
It's in the league of the A8 and 7 series as far as design goes. Neither of those set the world on fire. But you know my motto.... when you are a new challenger in as established segment, "good enough is not enough". Interior of these things have to make you glaze your underoos.
Design is a highly subjective issue. I do think the materials look top notch and the cabin is definitely a nice and wonderful place to sit in, but the overall design just comes across as bland to me. Obviously they were going for a conservative look and they succeeded, but it does come across as a tad bland. Just my opinion. ;)
And without trying to sound biased, I do think that the Audi A8 interior is fairly conservative as well, but design-wise it does come across as more interesting and "balanced" than the Hyundai cabin. Again, just my opinion. :cheers:
Do you think Benz has the best interiors of the Germans?
I don't know who you're asking but I do.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 18, 2016, 08:36:26 PM
I don't know who you're asking but I do.
Really? Better than BMW, sure, but they lag far behind Audi.
Quote from: Raza on August 18, 2016, 09:05:35 PM
Really? Better than BMW, sure, but they lag far behind Audi.
Audi relies too much on common VW/Audi switchgear and the materials aren't as rich
Quote from: Raza on August 18, 2016, 08:28:22 PM
Do you think Benz has the best interiors of the Germans?
The material quality is definitely there on most of their models, but design wise I am not feeling most of their interiors. The only Benz interior which I really like from a design point of view are the current C-Class and the S-Class / S-Class Coupe.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 18, 2016, 09:22:25 PM
Audi relies too much on common VW/Audi switchgear and the materials aren't as rich
Richness of the materials doesn't matter much when they're breaking and falling off your dashboard. #beentheredonethatmercsucks.
Quote from: Raza on August 18, 2016, 09:05:35 PM
Really? Better than BMW, sure, but they lag far behind Audi.
It depends on which era you are talking about. The current S-Class and all the Benzes that ape it blow everything else out of the water. The last gen of Mercedes interiors were pretty bad. Audi definitely had the crown in that era. But Benz took the crown back decisively. If you don't need a driver's car, and can afford it, I don't get why anyone in this market wouldn't buy a Benz.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 16, 2016, 11:03:58 AM
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/08/16/2017-genesis-g90-first-drive/
The Genesis/Equus looked cheap but I would put this interior up with any of the non Benz Germans
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Supposed 3 fighter on the way too.... hopefully they buy Lotus to sort the dynamics out by then....
The build and materials are decidedly a notch or two lower, though.
Still, very nice for the price.
Quote from: Submariner on August 20, 2016, 11:06:58 AM
The build and materials are decidedly a notch or two lower, though.
Still, very nice for the price.
Aren't you the same one who said the materials looked cheap on the CGI picture of a Cadullac interior? :lol:
Quote from: MrH on August 20, 2016, 11:16:01 AM
Aren't you the same one who said the materials looked cheap on the CGI picture of a Cadullac interior? :lol:
I've also sat in the new Genesis.
And as predicted, the CT6 felt desperately cut-rate inside once I actually did sit in it.
You don't need to sit in a GM car to know the look of their garbage molded texture plastic.
Idk man GM has been on a roll in regards to interiors, easily beating the brakes off BMW
I would still rank a lot of brands ahead of GM. Only brands behind it are not really luxury IMO (Lincoln & Acura). GM is still using piano black trim FFS
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 20, 2016, 12:19:56 PM
I would still rank a lot of brands ahead of GM. Only brands behind it are not really luxury IMO (Lincoln & Acura). GM is still using piano black trim FFS
BMW and Merc use piano black trim as well. Not sure why that's a problem. Hell, BMW and MB charge extra for piano black trim.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 20, 2016, 12:19:56 PM
I would still rank a lot of brands ahead of GM. Only brands behind it are not really luxury IMO (Lincoln & Acura). GM is still using piano black trim FFS
You been inside a modern 3 series? It's not great, and BMW uses Piano black trim all the time. GM interiors are really excellent right now.
I'm still not sure why you guys are massaging your interior trim pieces.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 20, 2016, 01:22:56 PM
I'm still not sure why you guys are massaging your interior trim pieces.
It's a fetish. :lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on August 20, 2016, 12:02:53 PM
Idk man GM has been on a roll in regards to interiors, easily beating the brakes off BMW
Styling is subjective, but in terms of fit and finish? No way.
Quote from: MrH on August 16, 2016, 07:27:58 PM
It felt like a pig on stilts with a rocket strapped to its back. It was a weird vehicle.
I still think "rocket couch" whenever I see one. :lol:
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Teaser image:
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Are we sure that's not an Infiniti?
Infiniti has that stupid inverted C pillar now. That's a Genesis for sure, the C pillar is identical to the G80. Should be interesting, but where are the crossovers? Nobody is gonna buy this thing.
Not in this country, anyway. But who knows. Some of the most successful companies start by pushing through as the underdog, never giving up, and eventually taking a valuable share.
G70 looks really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krdc-kTkqxM
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QuoteGenesis G70 Resets Expectations of Customer-Focused Performance and Luxury
September 15, 2017 – A new era dawned today as Genesis officially presented the highly anticipated G70 luxury performance sedan at the Hyundai·Genesis Design Center in Namyang.
Dr. Woong-Chul Yang, Vice Chairman of the Hyundai Motor Group's R&D Division, key Genesis brand officials, and approximately 300 international automotive journalists participated in the activities. The G70 goes on sale in Korea on September 20th, with timing for its rollout in other markets to be announced soon.
"The Genesis G70 is the latest demonstration of our dedication to delivering innovative, customer-oriented vehicles," said Vice Chairman Yang. "We will continue to focus our R&D efforts on the development and expansion of the Genesis brand. It is a great point of pride to have Genesis showcase what a true luxury brand of Korean origin can present to our discerning customers."
The Genesis G70 is an athletic sedan characterized by its graceful and dynamic exterior styling; elegant and intuitively designed interior; choice of three different powertrains. Customers will be able to select between a turbocharged 3.3-liter gasoline V6, a 2.0-liter turbocharged gasoline I4, and a 2.2-liter I4 diesel models.
The G70 also incorporates numerous advanced driver assist systems such as Highway Driving Assist (HDA), best-in-class safety with nine standard airbags and active hood function, and a high level of connectivity with server-based voice recognition technology, using Kakao Corp's artificial intelligence platform.
Hot stamping methods and extended use of structural adhesives have been employed to enhance torsional rigidity and improve overall body stiffness.
"G70 Seoul 2017"
To commemorate this important moment, 15,000 people will celebrate the official unveiling of the G70 at "G70·Seoul 2017," a global launch festival held on September 15th in Seoul's Olympic Park.
"The launch of the Genesis G70 is an important milestone for our brand," said Manfred Fitzgerald, Head of Genesis Division. "We deliberately chose Seoul, as this is our place of origin. This is where we are coming together with our customers and friends in the music industry to celebrate as a people's festival."
"G70 Seoul 2017" is a brand celebration of Genesis and the new G70, featuring global music superstars Gwen Stefani, Andra Day and CL. While attendance is capped at 15,000, more than 80,000 people expressed interest in being part of the festivities.
Completing the Genesis sedan lineup
The G70 completes the Genesis brand's sedan lineup, along with the G90 flagship and mid-luxury G80. The arrival of G70 further strengthens the Genesis brand's presence in the global luxury market.
In November 2015, Genesis launched and set out to compete with the world's top luxury automakers as a Korean brand. To differentiate itself in the luxury segment, Genesis strives to make a positive impact in the lifestyles of its discerning customers through a progressive and innovative approach to performance and design excellence.
Genesis launched the flagship G90 sedan in December 2015, followed by the G80 sedan in July 2016 in Korea. Since the brand's inception, Genesis has sold more than 150,000 units, with strong performances in both Korea and the U.S.
Genesis has also received many accolades, most recently, ranking highest among premium automakers in the J.D. Power 2017 U.S. Initial Quality Study (IQS), topping all 13 brands in the premium segment.
The G70 marks the completion of Genesis sedan line-up and the brand will now start strengthening its lineup with SUVs and alternative powertrains. Genesis plans to roll out new products to expand its presence and coverage across the global market and six models are expected in its product portfolio by 2021.
An Exterior with Genesis' Unique Design Identity
The all-new G70 showcases the future direction of the Genesis brand's design identity.
Athletic elegance is represented in the exterior styling, as the car captures both beauty and tension, like an athlete poised to perform.
Luc Donckerwolke, Head of Genesis Design, said, "At Genesis, we shape fascination and desire with the passion, dedication and talent from our designers. We modulated all parameters from the Genesis DNA to tailor a sports sedan. This challenge required the highest skills and know-how. The G70 is designed to captivate all senses with its sensuous and tensioned muscular volumes."
The long hood and short front overhang, elegant roofline and assertive multi-spoke alloy wheels combine to form a sleek, dynamic profile, subtly highlighted by dark chrome aero trim.
The hockey stick daylight opening and parabolic sidelines further express the unique design signatures of Genesis, displaying fast and dramatic energy with voluptuous forms and smooth surfaces.
From the front and side, the G70's prominent crest-type grille, character lines extending from the hood emblem, and pronounced air intakes communicate the muscular performance that the car is capable of.
Two distinctive linear LED DRLs on each side of the large crest grille foreshadow the future Genesis signature quad lamps.
In the rear, the LED rear combination lamps continue the quad lamp theme, while the raised trunk lid and compact bumper designs give the G70 a poised character. The rear lamps, evolved from the G80, have been stretched to the end of the rear to convey a wide and dynamic stance.
A Sophisticated, Driver-Focused Interior
G70's interior is configured to prioritize an excellent user experience, with superb fit and finish throughout. The interior packaging reflects the thoughtfulness that drives the Genesis brand, with a priority on simplicity and an emphasis on genuine functionality instead of gimmickry.
A horizontal layout brings a sense of stability and the driver-focused packaging provides a comfortable driving environment, with intuitively laid out switchgear and a comfortable, assertive sport steering wheel.
Genesis designers employed premium materials throughout, including aluminum door handles, quilted leather door panels, metal speaker grills and high-quality soft touch surfaces. Nappa leather seats further add to the dynamic yet elegant interior.
The G70 offers a wide range of unique and sophisticated color options that properly reflect global trends to meet client demand.
Ten exterior colors are available: Platinum Silver, Carbon Metal, Marble White, Titanium Black, Racing Gray, Graceful Gray, Lapis Blue, Royal Blue, Blazing Red and Umber Brown.
A new paint-finishing method separates small, evenly distributed aluminum particles and high luminosity colors, maximizing the brilliance of the exterior colors.
The passenger cabin is available in five different colors: Obsidian Black, Sandstorm Gray, Velvet Burgundy, Tobacco Brown and Vanilla Beige. Two additional interior colors, which are Sports Gray and Sports Red will be dedicated to the G70 Sport and the high-end trim level for the 2.0T.
Driving Character -- Agile Yet Safe, Dynamic Yet Quiet
The G70 offers three powertrains – a 3.3-liter V6 gasoline turbo, 2.0-liter I4 gasoline turbo and a 2.2-liter I4 diesel. The 3.3-liter V6 turbo is the backbone of the enthusiast-focused "G70 Sport."
The G70 Sport is equipped with the Lambda II 3.3-liter V6 turbo GDI engine, with 370 PS and maximum torque of 52.0kgf·m.
G70 Sport is a dynamic and powerful performer with 0 to 100 kph (62.5 mph) acceleration in 4.7 seconds and a top speed of 270 kph (167/168 mph). Variable-ratio steering and electronically controlled suspension are standard to provide agile steering response and an optimal ride-and-handling experience.
The G70 2.0 turbo gasoline model is equipped with the Theta-II 2.0-liter turbo GDI engine, with 252 PS and maximum torque of 36.0kgf·m. (Sports package: 255 PS)
The G70 2.2 diesel model is equipped with the R 2.2 VGT engine with 202 PS horsepower and maximum torque of 45.0kgf·m.
Dynamic performance features include:
1. Launch Control - Maximizes power control in acceleration mode
2. Rack-mounted, motor-driven power steering (R-MDPS) and multi-link rear suspension - Provides precise handling and comfortable ride
3. Dynamic torque vectoring system - Improves vehicle cornering control
4. Mechanical limited slip differential (M-LSD) - Allows safe driving capabilities in low friction road conditions such as rain, snow and ice
The seat positions have been adjusted to lower the center of gravity of the car to maximize performance. To augment the driving experience, the Active Sound Design (ASD) system creates an aural character that reflects the engine load and driving mode settings.
Noise, vibration and harshness have been minimized in the G70 through enhancements in multiple areas including vehicle body structure; exhaust system; sound absorption and isolation; suspension and body frame connection; and the design of the side mirrors and door sealing systems.
The performance-focused sedan has been tested under the most challenging environments and surfaces in the world, including Death Valley (U.S.), northern Sweden, the Nürburgring (Germany) and the Alps (Austria) for driving stability, handling, durability and power delivery.
■ Best-in-Class Safety
Following the trend of the G90 and G80, the G70 offers the most comprehensive levels of safety in its class. Overall body stiffness and rigidity have been dramatically strengthened.
The G70 has also been designed to help protect pedestrians – when imminent impact with a pedestrian is detected, its active hood function operates by lifting the hood to absorb shock and minimize the risk of injury.
An unparalleled suite of advanced driver assist systems such as Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA), Highway Driving Assist (HDA), Blind spot Collision Warning (BCW) and Driver Awareness Warning (DAW) have been added as part of the 'Genesis Active Safety Control' to offer the highest level of safety and convenience in its class.
The FCA system provides added safety with newly developed technology designed not only to protect vehicles and pedestrians, but also cyclists on the road. It automatically activates emergency braking through integrated radar-camera sensors when detecting bicycles.
'Genesis Active Safety Control' is the brand's newly labeled advanced driver assist system package previously known as 'Genesis Smart Sense.'
Genesis aims to receive the highest ratings from both international and domestic organizations including the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) and Korea New Car Assessment Program (KNCAP).
Exceptional Comfort and Convenience
The G70 incorporates a diverse range of advanced technologies that deliver ultimate convenience and connectivity.
An example includes the smart posture control system, initially introduced in the G90. When the driver's body information is input, the system automatically adjusts the seat, steering wheel, outside mirror and heads-up display to the optimal position, ensuring minimal stress even on long journeys.
The G70 provides a diverse range of advanced convenience and connectivity, including an 8-inch touch screen display supporting MirrorLink, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
The G70 will also be the first vehicle in Korea to feature server-based voice recognition technology, using Kakao's artificial intelligence platform 'Kakao I.'
For the best audio performance, a 15-speaker Lexicon surround-sound system is available to provide an audiophile-level acoustic experience.
Overseas product specifications in markets including North America, Russia and the Middle East are planned to be announced in early 2018.
※ Note: All specifications are based on Korean market models
About Genesis
Genesis, the luxury automotive brand, strives to make a positive difference in the lives of discerning customers, thus becoming an important element of their lifestyle. As a design-focused brand, Genesis has introduced fascinating models that embody athletic elegance, starting from the brand's flagship model G90, mid-size luxury sedan G80 and its derivative G80 Sport. The G70 sedan made its world debut in September 2017, completing the brand's sedan lineup. Genesis will be opening dedicated brand stores in major cities in the near future. Experience more at https://www.genesis.com.
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The reveal color is almost as bad as that wheel gap. At least there will be Korean coilovers in no time
Those seats look amazing.
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HNNG
So sexy inside and out. Plus brown and Lapis Blue. :wub:
Looks good, though it seems to be such a mishmash of things already out. Like a Ghibli, TLX and 2 series had their DNA spliced and combined. Will need it to get #CoiloverNation citizenship before I give final judgment
I still think I would get the Stinger GT over this. Only question left is how well the transmissions will do. That programming makes or breaks performance cars now.
Yeah, it's very nice, but the Stinger still interests me more.
I have mixed feelings about the lower air inlets. Seems a little too aggressive.
It's a better looking G37 with a Jaguar-like interior
Is this essentially the Hyundai version of the Stinger? Same powertrain and chassis?
Stinger is bigger. I'd be disappointed if they weren't on the same platform though.
Pretty sure it's a cut down G80/Stinger
Quote from: 2o6 on September 15, 2017, 08:05:00 AM
It's a better looking G37 with a Jaguar-like interior
+1
Quote from: MrH on September 15, 2017, 08:19:18 AM
Is this essentially the Hyundai version of the Stinger? Same powertrain and chassis?
Yes, but this is a direct 3 series competitor. I assume weight will be around 3800lbs though.
I'm digging that not-British-Racing-Green they are using on some of the promo material cars. The interior looks nice enough, but seems way too derivative; like a strange Mazda/Audi hybrid. The exterior has a nice shape and the proportions look right, but like the 3rd Gen G37(I literally still don't know Infinit's new naming scheme) it has weird details thrown in for no reason. This car was probably like 90% done before all the poached European big wigs came on, but the 2nd gen version will probably be the one to watch.
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The South Korean city of Seoul is a modern metropolis with densely packed apartment towers, great food, and terrible traffic.
FAST FACTS
Engine: 3.3L turbo V6/2.0L turbo 4-cyl
Output: 365 hp, 376 lb-ft/249 hp, 260 lb-ft
Transmission: 6-speed manual or 8-speed auto
US Fuel Economy (MPG): 27 combined (V6 AWD)
CAN Fuel Economy (L/100 km): 8.6 combined (V6 AWD)
US/CAN Pricing: Not yet available
Cocooned within the expansive backseat of a chauffeur-driven Genesis G90 for a two-hour, bumper-to-bumper grind from Incheon Airport to my hotel, I had plenty of time to take in the big car's finely appointed interior.
Korean drivers, it seems, are generally patient and respectful of one another despite the maddening congestion, and after a particularly determined lane-change move, my driver powered his window down, offered a friendly wave of thanks, and filled the cabin with the cacophony of traffic noise. Seconds later, the window was back up and the sheer serenity of the G90 struck me.
Genesis is Korea's first true luxury automotive brand, and despite its relative infancy, the G90 is absolute proof that it has already got this luxury thing figured out. But what about making a nimble, fun-to-drive, sport sedan — the sort that could hang with a Mercedes C-Class or Audi A4? Can Genesis succeed in this arena too?
The all-new 2018 Genesis G70 compact luxury sedan is a machine designed to do just that. And there's a long-held belief that amidst this popular gang of dapper athletic cars, BMW's 3 Series is the dynamic benchmark.
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Leading up to our first drive of the G70, some people were sensationalizing the role of this newest Genesis, proclaiming that this could be a real BMW slayer. Given that the executive vice-president for Hyundai and Genesis' performance machines is none other than former BMW M division boss, Albert Biermann, it's a fair prediction.
Following our time behind the wheel, both on the road and track, I can tell you the Genesis G70 is not the proverbial 3 Series killer, and that's OK.
Instead, Biermann freely admits that aspects of all the top competitors – including the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes C-Class – were carefully dissected with the intent of creating what is perhaps the most well-rounded machine in the segment. The G70 is intended to be the car that balances performance and luxury better than the rest.
World Class Interior and Powertrain
Like its mid-size G80 and full-size G90 luxury siblings, the G70's interior is beautifully finished with available Nappa leather stitched in a quilted pattern. Real aluminum trim, a suede-like headliner, and quality plastics make the G70's cabin a great place to be.
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The controls are arranged around the driver, creating a more intimate and pilot-centric space than in the larger Genesis models. I found the driving position perfect, and the seats are among the most comfortable I have experienced, yet offer great lateral support during aggressive cornering.
Rear seat space seems on par for the class in terms of width and legroom, though headroom is a bit tighter than in some of the G70's competitors.
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In North America, the G70 will be offered with two different drivetrains: a 2.0-liter turbocharged, inline four-cylinder engine providing 249 horsepower (251 with the Sport package) and 260 pound-feet of torque, or a 3.3-liter turbocharged V6 delivering 365 hp and 376 lb-ft of torque.
Stateside, both the V6 and four-cylinder models will be available with rear-wheel drive or all-wheel drive, whereas Canadian buyers will have all-wheel drive standard for both engines, and a rear-wheel-drive Sport trim available with the 2.0-liter engine only.
As a pleasant surprise and further proof that Genesis is trying to make this car engaging, a six-speed manual option will be available on a specific performance-oriented 2.0-liter trim. All other G70s will be fitted with an eight-speed automatic.
For our drive through Seoul and northeast winding up into the lush green mountains toward Inje Speedium race circuit, our convoy of sport sedans encountered a wide variety of driving experiences and a lot of positive reactions from the Korean motoring public.
It seems the locals like the G70's tidy dimensions and sporty appearance. The rear three-quarter view is the best angle with a squat look, hunkered down over the wide fenders, reminiscent of a BMW 3 or 5 Series. The profile is a bit derivative in terms of styling with its trendy fender vents and a profile that could've been pillaged from any number of the G70's competitors. Overall, it's a properly handsome machine that looks even better in person than it does in photos. That said, I still wish Genesis designers could find a way to better hide the front sensor panel so it's not such an obvious blemish within the large front grille.
Even early on a Saturday morning, the traffic traveling east out of the metropolis was repressive as active Koreans headed for the hills to hike, bike, or camp. The G70's adaptive cruise control system and lane departure assistance proved welcome features and worked well to help reduce the burden on the driver. The infotainment system, which comes with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, is controlled by a large, bright touchscreen. The system operated smoothly and without lag, and the Lexicon sound system is rich and full.
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Impressive Performance
The manufacturer claims the 3.3T will go from zero to 62 mph (100 km/h) in 4.7 seconds, and each time my driving partner and I exited a tollbooth, we'd put that figure to the test. I wouldn't be surprised if Genesis is being conservative with its claim. Launch control is offered on the G70, though we never had an opportunity to test it.
Eventually, our route left the masses on the freeway behind, and the roads twisted and turned up into the mountains toward Inje Speedium race circuit. Where at first in the urban traffic I found the throttle a little abrupt from a standstill and the brakes somewhat grabby, both familiarity with the car and higher speeds smoothed things out. The G70 is definitely comfortable ripping along aggressively and responds with excellent on-road manners.
The staggered Michelin Pilot Sport tires (225/40/19 up front, 255/35/19 rear) on our Sport trim car, coupled with the H-Trac all-wheel-drive system tuned to direct the majority of power to the rear in Sport Mode, means grip – even on some loose surfaces – is exceptional. Genesis has also fitted a mechanical limited-slip differential on the G70 to help get power to the ground in cornering.
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As good as many of the Korean performance cars have become in recent years, they've generally fallen short of matching the handling prowess of their European competitors. The G70, however, shows that Genesis is fully capable of tuning a suspension that perfectly balances ride comfort appropriate for a luxury car, with the handling chops to dance on twisty back roads.
And at the track.
They Let Us Go on a Track?
Following a warm-up gymkhana competition, we were turned loose to lap the beautiful Inje track. The G70's poise and stability, even at considerable speed and driven by a group of journalists with varying on-track ability, never faltered. The Brembo brakes also delivered great results with a strong bite and good, linear braking power.
The cars on hand were tuned to Korean market specification, which we're told, offer a softer suspension setup than we are likely to receive in other markets. Even still, the G70 is a long way off becoming harsh, even with the Sport driving mode in play. In fact, the difference between Sport and Comfort modes are better heard than felt, with Active Sound Design digitally pumping in a louder (and deeper) driving soundtrack to the cabin, than in Comfort or Eco modes. That said, compared to the more aggressive intake and exhaust noises delivered by the European competition, the G70 falls flat with its engine noise.
Steering feel from the electrically assisted system is light and lacking some of the feedback we used to associate with sporty cars. Still, it's a complaint I've leveled against the 3 Series, C-Class and A4 these days, too. Genesis engineers had one pre-production rear-wheel-drive 3.3T Genesis, set up with stickier tires and a more dynamic suspension setting for us to sample as well. This car was absolutely alive on the track, delivering more immediacy in the steering and livelier handling, showcasing the tremendous job the suspension engineers have done with the G70.
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If there's one further complaint to raise against the G70 from a performance standpoint, it's that the eight-speed transmission feels tuned much more for grand touring or environment-saving duties than full-on performance driving. In Sport mode, I'd like to see quicker shifts and a more aggressive tune enabling greater driver control when the paddles are used. As it is now, the G70 is too eager to upshift, and often reluctant to downshift. Fortunately, the prodigious torque helps offset that problem in driveability.
The Verdict: 2018 Genesis G70 Review
Albert Biermann spoke of Korea being the land of the morning calm – a situation he relishes when he can escape the city early on a Sunday morning and enjoy the serpentine mountain roads. The G70 is an excellent machine for just such a scenario, ensuring a perfect blend of luxurious comfort and amenities in the city, but a wholly capable and vigorous driving experience out on the open road.
Genesis has already proven it can make a world-class luxury car. Now it has shown us it can make an exceptional sport sedan too.
The 2018 Genesis G70 is expected to hit North American dealerships in the second quarter of 2018. Pricing will be announced closer to its release.
LOVE IT
Luxurious interior
Capable driving dynamics
Pricing sure to be competitive
LEAVE IT
Transmission not sporty enough
Lacks steering feel
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It looks good. Really big, but good. And since there will be a manual, I'm interested.
Quote from: Raza on September 19, 2017, 05:41:33 AM
It looks good. Really big, but good. And since there will be a manual, I'm interested.
Big? It sit smack-dab between the 3 series and A4 in size.
It's larger than a first gen z4, thus it's a huge car.
Quote from: MX793 on September 19, 2017, 06:27:05 AM
Big? It sit smack-dab between the 3 series and A4 in size.
It's hard to tell with no context. It looks visually large. Without seeing it next to another car of which I know the size, I would have guessed that it's a midsize, not a compact.
Quote from: 68_427 on September 19, 2017, 02:48:02 PM
It's larger than a first gen z4, thus it's a huge car.
That's also true.
Quote from: Raza on September 19, 2017, 05:18:22 PM
It's hard to tell with no context. It looks visually large. Without seeing it next to another car of which I know the size, I would have guessed that it's a midsize, not a compact.
I think the latest generations of 3 series and A4 are technically midsize now...
Quote from: MX793 on September 19, 2017, 05:36:18 PM
I think the latest generations of 3 series and A4 are technically midsize now...
I cry for the world.
Go back to the essence and buy a 2 series. F30 is right sized IMO; E90 was doable but everything was too small to be a real family car. F30 is about as roomy as the G while being lighter and smaller. And burning like 20% less fuel while being faster. It's on the short list
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 20, 2017, 05:54:56 AM
Go back to the essence and buy a 2 series. F30 is right sized IMO; E90 was doable but everything was too small to be a real family car. F30 is about as roomy as the G while being lighter and smaller. And burning like 20% less fuel while being faster. It's on the short list
With the world ending any day now, I'm thinking about saying fuck it all and just buying an E90 M3. If my brother and I actually do get an SUV to share, I wouldn't need an AWD car only for the purpose of winter driving. It's been nice having the Z4 and S4 as a two car combination, but S4 falls short on driving enjoyment for me. Plus, I've never owned a V8 before. An RS4 is also in the running.
Have you driven an E90 M3?
Quote from: Raza on September 20, 2017, 07:20:31 AM
With the world ending any day now, I'm thinking about saying fuck it all and just buying an E90 M3. If my brother and I actually do get an SUV to share, I wouldn't need an AWD car only for the purpose of winter driving. It's been nice having the Z4 and S4 as a two car combination, but S4 falls short on driving enjoyment for me. Plus, I've never owned a V8 before. An RS4 is also in the running.
In that case why not opt for a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport or, at least, a Koenigsegg CCR. :huh:
Quote from: FoMoJo on September 20, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
In that case why not opt for a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport or, at least, a Koenigsegg CCR. :huh:
:hesaid:
:lol:
Quote from: FoMoJo on September 20, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
In that case why not opt for a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport or, at least, a Koenigsegg CCR. :huh:
No manual.
Real motoring engagement requires a hand operated clutch and/or left foot braking anyway.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 22, 2017, 09:29:03 PM
Real motoring engagement requires a hand operated clutch and/or left foot braking anyway.
Hand clutch? That's a kind of purse.
Quote from: Raza on September 22, 2017, 09:35:45 PM
Hand clutch? That's a kind of purse.
Naw, a hand operated clutch, like on a motorcycle or shifter kart. The kind of vehicles a real enthusiast is willing to drive to experience true man-machine engagement. :praise:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 23, 2017, 08:52:08 AM
Naw, a hand operated clutch, like on a motorcycle or shifter kart. The kind of vehicles a real enthusiast is willing to drive to experience true man-machine engagement. :praise:
Or a bulldozer?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 23, 2017, 09:59:23 AM
Or a bulldozer?
Operating earth-moving equipment is pretty engaging.
I'd be stoked to drive a bulldozer.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 23, 2017, 01:07:45 PM
I'd be stoked to drive a bulldozer.
Find an old one, you might get a clutch for each hand!