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Question:
this situation is purely hypothetical
Option 1: one car
votes: 1
Option 2: two cars
votes: 4
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two cars:
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What about just driving the Focus?
I can't see the point of having a payment on an NC when you'll likely just end up in the Focus all of the time. Or maybe if the Focus was not an ST - those ST's aren't comfortable, and I don't see the point of buying two "uncomfortable" cars.
Sometimes I miss having a small 2-seat roadster. Sometimes.
Or just sack up and buy a Boxster
Quote from: Vinsanity on October 01, 2016, 09:59:55 AM
Sometimes I miss having a small 2-seat roadster. Sometimes.
Buy an NB with cash
Depends a lot on your usage, man. The 5er you will enjoy every day at the expense of that special weekend drive. It is a MUCH nicer place to spend time in vs the Focus. But with the Focus you'd get the chance of that weekend roadster drive.
Only you can decide on the trade-off. Very personal.
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Split the difference - 528i Msport.
Two cars for sure. You're in California. You'll be able to enjoy the NC almost year round and you have amazing roads to drive on. The ST is also more practical than the 5 since it's a hatch and is very comfortable with the Recaros ( I didn't see if that one has the seats though).
Sure, the 5 will be incrementally nicer than the ST but you're giving up so much more in enjoyment. The ST has all the creature comforts you need and you're only giving up some small luxuries from the BMW.
Plus you probably end up driving the NC a lot more anyways and the BMW can't compare with the top down pleasure.
The only thing I'd recommend is getting an older NC and saving some cash. You can save $4-6k by going with an older one. An '09-10 is the same car as what you're looking at other than some small cosmetic changes. You could go even cheaper and spend half that on an NC1 but you'd be giving up the forged engine.
Either way you could save $5-6k over that 5 by getting an older NC2.
Two cars for sure. I've played this game over in my head a million times. I always end up at two cars.
Don't pick a focus ST as your practical ride. It's harsh and not all that roomy. Get something good for road trips and lots of space.
Two cars. But get a roadster and an old beat up SUV. Miata can be driven every day, SUV for utility reasons.
One car that runs kinda okay, and two or three in various states of repair or disrepair.
Quote from: MrH on October 01, 2016, 01:33:27 PM
Two cars for sure. I've played this game over in my head a million times. I always end up at two cars.
Agreed. Two cars is the way.
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Don't pick a focus ST as your practical ride. It's harsh and not all that roomy. Get something good for road trips and lots of space.
Just don't be like this soft little bitch and get some rolling mattress for your daily driver. :devil:
Quote from: MrH on October 01, 2016, 01:33:27 PM
Two cars for sure. I've played this game over in my head a million times. I always end up at two cars.
Don't pick a focus ST as your practical ride. It's harsh and not all that roomy. Get something good for road trips and lots of space.
There's a certified 320i for just under 2 grand more than the FoST. I know I said this is purely hypothetical, but this is a tempting idea.
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You're going to have a loan on both cars?
Nah
Two cars but not something like the Focus for a daily. It's too compromised as far as comfort goes and too much overlap with a potential Miata. Buy something like a GS400/430 and then a Miata. Get something comfortable but something that will make you crave that fun and exciting weekend car.
Quote from: Rich on October 02, 2016, 12:29:44 AM
You're going to have a loan on both cars?
Nah
IF...I were to entertain this idea, it would probably be financing something like a 320i or Infiniti Q50 for 3 years, then buying an ND Miata after.
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Focus ST not a good daily? Maybe for massive, bleeding pussies.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 02, 2016, 09:32:20 AM
Focus ST not a good daily? Maybe for massive, bleeding pussies.
Just already a compromise between commuting and actual driving, that's all. If you have two, you can get more specialized.
You know, like an Ariel Atom for fun, and a USSV Rhino for zombie apocalypse.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 02, 2016, 10:00:18 AM
Just already a compromise between commuting and actual driving, that's all. If you have two, you can get more specialized.
You know, like an Ariel Atom for fun, and a USSV Rhino for zombie apocalypse.
Then get a Kawasaki Ninja 1000 for commuting and a Focus ST for driving.
One very important thing you left out is your motorcycle. With that in the mix, a sports car is redundant, especially in CA if I remember correctly. Bike + 528i is a pretty good combo, but if you plan on riding a lot, like any day the weather permits, something like a 335xi or S4 would probably be worth a look too.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 02, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
One very important thing you left out is your motorcycle. With that in the mix, a sports car is redundant, especially in CA if I remember correctly. Bike + 528i is a pretty good combo, but if you plan on riding a lot, like any day the weather permits, something like a 335xi or S4 would probably be worth a look too.
Yeah, the existence of the bike makes this pretty much just a thought exercise, but I would conceivably be driving the roadster nearly as much as the practical car.
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That's the thought, but when I had the Civic + 350Z + bike the Z rarely got driven. It was still fun and a nice "night out with the wife" car, but it didn't do the daily grind as well as the Civic or make my hairs stand on end like the bike.
Well, besides a ride height that leaves you staring straight into minivan bumpers, I don't see how a Miata would be that much worse to commute in than a Focus ST.
A 320i, I would imagine to be considerably better, though.
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Miata is cramped and loud. I just drove a regular Focus wagon around France for the past week.... those things are refined AF, I doubt the ST would be much rougher.
But for the daily grind I would damn near want a Lexus or something if I had a bike.
Rented a Focus Titanium hatchback for two weeks in July. It's a seriously nice car with a shitty transmission (which wouldn't be an issue if you got the ST). Comfortable, all the creature comforts I could ask for, and practical. I really like that car.
Quote from: MrH on October 01, 2016, 01:33:27 PM
Two cars for sure. I've played this game over in my head a million times. I always end up at two cars.
Don't pick a focus ST as your practical ride. It's harsh and not all that roomy. Get something good for road trips and lots of space.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 02, 2016, 08:54:11 AM
Two cars but not something like the Focus for a daily. It's too compromised as far as comfort goes and too much overlap with a potential Miata. Buy something like a GS400/430 and then a Miata. Get something comfortable but something that will make you crave that fun and exciting weekend car.
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You guys for real? A Focus ST is too uncomfortable for DD'ing? When did this turn into GrandmaSPIN?
The ST is not uncomfortable at all. My friend had one and it was a very nice place to be. The only downside with the one in the OP is no Recaros.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 02, 2016, 04:12:43 PM
Miata is cramped and loud. I just drove a regular Focus wagon around France for the past week.... those things are refined AF, I doubt the ST would be much rougher.
But for the daily grind I would damn near want a Lexus or something if I had a bike.
Depends on how tall Vin is, but the NC is not cramped nor loud. It would make a great DD if you don't need a lot of space.
It is redundant with the motorcycle, though. Sometimes I wish I had a hatch or wagon but I love the NC too much to get rid of it ever.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 02, 2016, 04:44:24 PM
You guys for real? A Focus ST is too uncomfortable for DD'ing? When did this turn into GrandmaSPIN?
Your frame of reference is different. You are OK with commuting by motorcycle in bad weather 100% of the time.
I think a Focus ST being uncomfortable is a bit of an exaggeration, but I also think it's too compromised to fit in a multiple car garage. It's made for people who want a little of everything. Every vehicle in a multiple car situation should compromise as little as possible to the end goal. So if one of the cars has to be a comfy daily driver, it should be as comfy and daily driverish as possible. I'd say a regular Focus would be a better choice for example. If someone wants a thrill ride, obvious choice is motorcycle, but if it has to have 4 wheels, I'm thinking something like an Elise, Cayman S, Z4M Coupe or a kit car or something. Has to go as far as possible in the direction of the intended purpose.
If I can daily drive a Z4 year round in the northeast, you can daily drive a Focus ST. You guys all went soft.
Quote from: Raza on October 02, 2016, 06:32:34 PM
If I can daily drive a Z4 year round in the northeast, you can daily drive a Focus ST. You guys all went soft.
You can't though, that's why you're getting an SUV :lol:
I daily drove a Miata for years then a brz. It's not a matter of going "soft". If you're going to spend the dollars to get two cars, why have a sports car and a sort of sporty, compromised hatchback too?
Exactly. Too much overlap there. At some point you're either going to say "well the Focus is almost as fun as the Miata I'll just drive that and have a better stereo and better ride" or say "well the Miata is almost as comfortable as the Focus I'll take the open top car today!"
Then you have one car that barely gets used because it's too similar to your other car. For example I never question which car to take when I need to drive somewhere because the Outback and Sierra drive so differently.
For the record, since lane-splitting is a thing here in CA, the bike is actually my main commuter right now, so I don't doubt that a Focus ST would be nice enough for me to commute in if I were so inclined. Or heck, at 5'9, the Miata wouldn't be cramped for me at all for daily use. However, if the noise levels are similar to the AP1 S2000, that might get old quickly.
I totally get the FoST being too "Focused" as a performance car (sorry for the pun) to be used as a commuter, and there being too much overlap between the 2 cars and a bike, so perhaps something less frantic should be called for. Kinda hard to find something in this price range that's not a Camcord, though.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 02, 2016, 06:17:10 PM
Your frame of reference is different. You are OK with commuting by motorcycle in bad weather 100% of the time.
I think a Focus ST being uncomfortable is a bit of an exaggeration, but I also think it's too compromised to fit in a multiple car garage. It's made for people who want a little of everything. Every vehicle in a multiple car situation should compromise as little as possible to the end goal. So if one of the cars has to be a comfy daily driver, it should be as comfy and daily driverish as possible. I'd say a regular Focus would be a better choice for example. If someone wants a thrill ride, obvious choice is motorcycle, but if it has to have 4 wheels, I'm thinking something like an Elise, Cayman S, Z4M Coupe or a kit car or something. Has to go as far as possible in the direction of the intended purpose.
I can see how there is overlap, but I don't see how that's a bad thing. It's not like you're giving up comfort or usability compared to a standard Focus. In fact, I don't see how a Focus ST is compromised for a DD at all. It's comfortable, has a ton of creature comforts, practical, but is still decently engaging to drive. It still doesn't touch a Miata or bike for engagement, though.
Quote from: Vinsanity on October 02, 2016, 10:36:01 PM
For the record, since lane-splitting is a thing here in CA, the bike is actually my main commuter right now, so I don't doubt that a Focus ST would be nice enough for me to commute in if I were so inclined. Or heck, at 5'9, the Miata wouldn't be cramped for me at all for daily use. However, if the noise levels are similar to the AP1 S2000, that might get old quickly.
I totally get the FoST being too "Focused" as a performance car (sorry for the pun) to be used as a commuter, and there being too much overlap between the 2 cars and a bike, so perhaps something less frantic should be called for. Kinda hard to find something in this price range that's not a Camcord, though.
In your case, I'd just get the Focus ST (or similar) and just skip the fun car since you have the bike already.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 02, 2016, 06:48:35 PM
You can't though, that's why you're getting an SUV :lol:
The SUV isn't for daily driving. It's for hauling and days when there's snow on the road. And maybe when it's under like 30 degrees.
Do you really think there's even a possibility I could give up driving a sports car with a manual everyday for some tall suburban status symbol with an automatic everyday?
Quote from: MrH on October 02, 2016, 08:00:11 PM
I daily drove a Miata for years then a brz. It's not a matter of going "soft". If you're going to spend the dollars to get two cars, why have a sports car and a sort of sporty, compromised hatchback too?
So basically it comes down to the MX-5 not being hardcore enough, then?
I will just chime in here and say that if I lived in a place that gets less than a foot of snow per year, I would only have the Mustang and the bike. My second car sits in storage from late April until November.
Quote from: Raza on October 03, 2016, 06:15:26 AM
So basically it comes down to the MX-5 not being hardcore enough, then?
...what?
Quote from: Raza on October 03, 2016, 06:15:26 AM
So basically it comes down to the MX-5 not being hardcore enough, then?
Sounds right to me.
Quote from: MrH on October 03, 2016, 06:34:16 AM
...what?
The issue is that neither the Focus not the MX-5 go far enough into their respective categories to be considered viable options to share a garage; apparently some have expressed the concern that they are too similar.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 03, 2016, 12:24:15 AM
I can see how there is overlap, but I don't see how that's a bad thing. It's not like you're giving up comfort or usability compared to a standard Focus. In fact, I don't see how a Focus ST is compromised for a DD at all. It's comfortable, has a ton of creature comforts, practical, but is still decently engaging to drive. It still doesn't touch a Miata or bike for engagement, though.
It's louder and stiffer. For what I'm guessing is a bumper to bumper highway slog, these are negatives, IMO.
Quote from: Raza on October 03, 2016, 07:01:12 AM
The issue is that neither the Focus not the MX-5 go far enough into their respective categories to be considered viable options to share a garage; apparently some have expressed the concern that they are too similar.
Exactly. Especially with a motorcycle.
Driving engagement is good, but not all the time. If I had a shitty commute, I would want a car that's relaxing and disengaging if anything.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 03, 2016, 07:18:37 AM
It's louder and stiffer. For what I'm guessing is a bumper to bumper highway slog, these are negatives, IMO.
And more expensive/worse gas mileage, and maybe higher insurance costs.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 03, 2016, 07:18:37 AM
It's louder and stiffer. For what I'm guessing is a bumper to bumper highway slog, these are negatives, IMO.
Exactly. Especially with a motorcycle.
Driving engagement is good, but not all the time. If I had a shitty commute, I would want a car that's relaxing and disengaging if anything.
Yeah. Going through traffic every day is awful. Isolation from the grind is a good thing. In the S2000, sitting on the highway going between 0-30 mph, bumper to bumper with the top down isn't fun. Can't even listen to podcasts because semi trucks are everywhere and all you can hear if their exhausts. If I take the S2000 now, I usually either leave early or late to avoid sitting for awhile.
I mean I know he wrote off the Camcords..... but the V6 versions of those cars are faster than the FoST by a decent margin, and if anything would be nicer in the bumper to bumper grind :mask:
The TTAC loudmouth BigTruckSeriesReview said it best.... I'm paraphrasing but basically he said something like Ring times and Brembo brakes don't matter when you're sitting in traffic. I'll extend that to even more basic shit like steering feel and a third pedal.
Quote from: MX793 on October 03, 2016, 06:28:27 AM
I will just chime in here and say that if I lived in a place that gets less than a foot of snow per year, I would only have the Mustang and the bike. My second car sits in storage from late April until November.
Hell yeah. Since we got the S2000 I've been alternating between it and the GTI. If it was consistently nice here, I'd prob ditch the GTI altogether.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 03, 2016, 07:18:37 AM
It's louder and stiffer. For what I'm guessing is a bumper to bumper highway slog, these are negatives, IMO.
Exactly. Especially with a motorcycle.
Driving engagement is good, but not all the time. If I had a shitty commute, I would want a car that's relaxing and disengaging if anything.
How much experience do you have with the Focus ST? It's barely loud at all and not very stiff either. Yes, stiffer than a pillow but it's not harsh at all. Say what you will about my standards being skewed from a motorcycle and a stripped out Miata, but the ST is not an uncomfortable car to be in in any circumstance.
Anyways, since Vin has the motorcycle, he can get whatever he wants as a commuter since it's going to be used relatively rarely. I'd go NC if he doesn't need a lot of room, or Focus ST or maybe the Honda Civic turbo hatch if he wants some practicality. There is no way I'd ever get a more boring version of a car, especially when the performance version is still a great commuter.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 03, 2016, 10:10:15 AM
How much experience do you have with the Focus ST? It's barely loud at all and not very stiff either. Yes, stiffer than a pillow but it's not harsh at all. Say what you will about my standards being skewed from a motorcycle and a stripped out Miata, but the ST is not an uncomfortable car to be in in any circumstance.
Anyways, since Vin has the motorcycle, he can get whatever he wants as a commuter since it's going to be used relatively rarely. I'd go NC if he doesn't need a lot of room, or Focus ST or maybe the Honda Civic turbo hatch if he wants some practicality. There is no way I'd ever get a more boring version of a car, especially when the performance version is still a great commuter.
Your frame of reference + preference is a motorcycle and a completely stripped out straight pipe coilover'd track car. I didn't say it was loud, just that it was louder than the base version. I haven't been in an ST but I've driven the new Focus.
The best complement to a motorcycle isn't something sporty. That would be a waste of time. Something like a luxury car or an SUV makes more sense. Again there are times when more engagement is not a plus- prob the most obvious case is bumper to bumper traffic.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 03, 2016, 10:35:23 AM
Your frame of reference + preference is a motorcycle and a completely stripped out straight pipe coilover'd track car. I didn't say it was loud, just that it was louder than the base version. I haven't been in an ST but I've driven the new Focus.
The best complement to a motorcycle isn't something sporty. That would be a waste of time. Something like a luxury car or an SUV makes more sense. Again there are times when more engagement is not a plus- prob the most obvious case is bumper to bumper traffic.
How is it a waste of time? With your scenario, you give up any sense of driving enjoyment at all just because you have a motorcycle. Just because I ride doesn't mean I don't enjoy driving, either. I absolutely would miss a manual transmission, good steering feedback and an overall engaging drive no matter how much I rode. Sometimes I jump in the Miata to do errands I could do on the bike just because I still do enjoy driving.
You seem to want to replace driving with riding completely. I think they complement each other well and would still want an engaging car to drive when I'm not riding.
I don't get why you're hating on the ST so hard when you've had zero experience with one. My roommate/friend had one and it was a very nice car for driving around in. He ended up putting in stiffer motor mounts, which caused more vibration than most people would like but stock it was great.
IDK man, the Focus ST is a stiff and loud car
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 03, 2016, 10:38:36 AM
How is it a waste of time? With your scenario, you give up any sense of driving enjoyment at all just because you have a motorcycle. Just because I ride doesn't mean I don't enjoy driving, either. I absolutely would miss a manual transmission, good steering feedback and an overall engaging drive no matter how much I rode. Sometimes I jump in the Miata to do errands I could do on the bike just because I still do enjoy driving.
You seem to want to replace driving with riding completely. I think they complement each other well and would still want an engaging car to drive when I'm not riding.
I don't get why you're hating on the ST so hard when you've had zero experience with one. My roommate/friend had one and it was a very nice car for driving around in. He ended up putting in stiffer motor mounts, which caused more vibration than most people would like but stock it was great.
Yeeee
Driving this Element erryday makes me crave anything even remotely fun to drive.
But driving a Miata/ST/bike/racecar does not make me crave an Element.
When I test drove the Element, it seemed like it would make a great commuter car. I'd definitely want an additional fun car along with it even if I already do have a bike, though.
I like the idea of a Civic turbo, but I'm sure I'd be fine with a Focus ST as my practical car if I became dead set on one. If anything, it would be harder to justify getting a Miata, as it would essentially be a third vehicle.
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Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 03, 2016, 10:38:36 AM
How is it a waste of time? With your scenario, you give up any sense of driving enjoyment at all just because you have a motorcycle. Just because I ride doesn't mean I don't enjoy driving, either. I absolutely would miss a manual transmission, good steering feedback and an overall engaging drive no matter how much I rode. Sometimes I jump in the Miata to do errands I could do on the bike just because I still do enjoy driving.
Again, an M/T and responsive chassis is meaningless in bumper to bumper traffic. The fact that dude lane splits and mostly rides indicates that's what driving on the same route would be like.
And whimsical errand runs are a completely different bag from commuting. I doubt your milk runs were during bumper to bumper traffic during rush hour. They can't be compared. Commuting is what made me go from enjoying to dreading the Z.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 03, 2016, 10:38:36 AMYou seem to want to replace driving with riding completely. I think they complement each other well and would still want an engaging car to drive when I'm not riding.
If I could drive like you (i.e. 100% milk runs and track days) then yes, engagement would be a priority. I'm not knocking engagement.... in the right context. Cali rush hour traffic is not that context.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 03, 2016, 10:38:36 AMI don't get why you're hating on the ST so hard when you've had zero experience with one. My roommate/friend had one and it was a very nice car for driving around in. He ended up putting in stiffer motor mounts, which caused more vibration than most people would like but stock it was great.
I'm not "hating on the ST so hard" :facepalm: I think it's an awesome car. I am probably going to check one out for the next ride, actually, because I'm fortunate enough to have a commute that would let me enjoy it everyday. Vinsanity doesn't, which, motorcycle or not, makes it a bad choice for him in my opinion.
It all comes down to picking the right tool for the job. Saying a car is not a good fit for a certain kind of driving is not dumping on the car :huh:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 03, 2016, 11:35:38 AM
Again, an M/T and responsive chassis is meaningless in bumper to bumper traffic. The fact that dude lane splits and mostly rides indicates that's what driving on the same route would be like.
And whimsical errand runs are a completely different bag from commuting. I doubt your milk runs were during bumper to bumper traffic during rush hour. They can't be compared. Commuting is what made me go from enjoying to dreading the Z.
Yes, he's going to be commuting on the bike, so why not have something somewhat engaging for said "milk runs"? I don't have to sit in traffic in the car, and neither does he, so why are you still recommending a boring vehicle?
QuoteIf I could drive like you (i.e. 100% milk runs and track days) then yes, engagement would be a priority. I'm not knocking engagement.... in the right context. Cali rush hour traffic is not that context.
Again, it doesn't sound like he's going to be stuck in traffic, either. He even just said he wants a fun car alongside the bike, too.
QuoteI'm not "hating on the ST so hard" :facepalm: I think it's an awesome car. I am probably going to check one out for the next ride, actually, because I'm fortunate enough to have a commute that would let me enjoy it everyday. Vinsanity doesn't, which, motorcycle or not, makes it a bad choice for him in my opinion.
It all comes down to picking the right tool for the job. Saying a car is not a good fit for a certain kind of driving is not dumping on the car :huh:
So if you can't enjoy the car on your commute, you shouldn't get a fun car is what you're saying? I have a terrible commute and I still have a fun car for the times I'm not commuting. I'm just confused by your logic because he's got his commuter covered already, and no car is ever going to touch a bike for commuting in CA. Why not get something engaging and fun on the side when he wants to drive? Personally, I'd rather just go bike-only than have something boring like a CamCord. It has to be something engaging or something super practical (like a pickup for motorcycle track days), in which case said practical vehicle would also pretty much never get used either.
And FWIW the ST is absolutely the right tool for the job IMO. If he didn't want a manual transmission, he wouldn't have linked two manual transmission cars in his first post in his two car scenario.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 03, 2016, 11:50:18 AM
Yes, he's going to be commuting on the bike, so why not have something somewhat engaging for said "milk runs"? I don't have to sit in traffic in the car, and neither does he, so why are you still recommending a boring vehicle?
He can go on milk runs on the bike too.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 03, 2016, 11:50:18 AMAgain, it doesn't sound like he's going to be stuck in traffic, either. He even just said he wants a fun car alongside the bike, too.
He said he lane splits on the bike basically every day. How could that be if his commute has no traffic?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 03, 2016, 11:50:18 AMSo if you can't enjoy the car on your commute, you shouldn't get a fun car is what you're saying? I have a terrible commute and I still have a fun car for the times I'm not commuting. I'm just confused by your logic because he's got his commuter covered already, and no car is ever going to touch a bike for commuting in CA. Why not get something engaging and fun on the side when he wants to drive? Personally, I'd rather just go bike-only than have something boring like a CamCord. It has to be something engaging or something super practical (like a pickup for motorcycle track days), in which case said practical vehicle would also pretty much never get used either.
And FWIW the ST is absolutely the right tool for the job IMO. If he didn't want a manual transmission, he wouldn't have linked two manual transmission cars in his first post in his two car scenario.
I am just speaking to the specific parameters and things I know about Vin. His current car is a CTS- not even a V. He's not out at track days every weekend or whatever. We know from the fact that he lane splits every day that his commute by car will be 0% fun. He is on his own, so he needs something at least a little practical.
Like I said, it's about picking the right tool for the job. Ultimately I think it comes down to how many miles he's gonna put on this car, and where those miles are gonna be. If this is just a rain/errand/road trip car, and like 80%+ of his miles are on the bike, I still think the 528i is a better choice.... again, if he wants engagement, he has the bike. If he wants to relax, which people do, he will have the 528i :huh:
Chevy SS + bike
Alright here's the thing: I don't drive nearly enough to justify 3 vehicles in rotation. But if I wanted them anyway, the best way to avoid one just sitting around in neglect, it should be something that I'd look forward to driving. The Civic turbo is a lovely commuter car, I'm sure, but I don't imagine myself looking forward to driving it. Would commuting in a Focus ST be a miserable experience? I think I'll be fine, especially with 2 other vehicles to juggle, and considering that it would be more of a "milk run" car anyway. Is it an ideal commuter car? Not really, but it would be something that would be fun to hop into when I need more than 2 seats and a tiny trunk.
That said, in the much more likely case that I'd decide on one car instead of two, the game changes a bit. I'd want something further from the bike and more pleasant overall for when a car is needed (but definitely still fun, though), so I like the 528i idea as well.
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Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 03, 2016, 12:26:23 PM
Chevy SS + bike
I'd be down for that if used ones fall to $30k next year. There few that are for sale around me are on sketchy used car lots
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72 month financing! :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 03, 2016, 12:05:28 PM
He can go on milk runs on the bike too.
He said he lane splits on the bike basically every day. How could that be if his commute has no traffic?
I am just speaking to the specific parameters and things I know about Vin. His current car is a CTS- not even a V. He's not out at track days every weekend or whatever. We know from the fact that he lane splits every day that his commute by car will be 0% fun. He is on his own, so he needs something at least a little practical.
Like I said, it's about picking the right tool for the job. Ultimately I think it comes down to how many miles he's gonna put on this car, and where those miles are gonna be. If this is just a rain/errand/road trip car, and like 80%+ of his miles are on the bike, I still think the 528i is a better choice.... again, if he wants engagement, he has the bike. If he wants to relax, which people do, he will have the 528i :huh:
I'm saying if he's already commuting on the bike, why does he need to commute in the car? I'm assuming his situation is like mine - 90-100% of his commuting is by bike, so all the comforts and luxuries of a nice commuter car would be wasted. On the occasional days he has to drive, I still don't think an ST is a bad choice.
I also like the SS idea. Good luck finding a manual one for $30k ever, though. :lol:
You guys are saying this:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 03, 2016, 07:18:37 AM
Driving engagement is good, but not all the time. If I had a shitty commute, I would want a car that's relaxing and disengaging if anything.
Quote from: MrH on October 03, 2016, 07:49:29 AM
Yeah. Going through traffic every day is awful. Isolation from the grind is a good thing. In the S2000, sitting on the highway going between 0-30 mph, bumper to bumper with the top down isn't fun. Can't even listen to podcasts because semi trucks are everywhere and all you can hear if their exhausts. If I take the S2000 now, I usually either leave early or late to avoid sitting for awhile.
But what I hear is this:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 03, 2016, 07:18:37 AM
I've gone soft.
Quote from: MrH on October 03, 2016, 07:49:29 AM
Yeah, I've gone soft too. And bald.
:devil:
In your scenario, it's "drive the boring car as much as possible, then in the one day of the year when the planets align and it's absolutely perfect, get your hat AND sunglasses and put the top down". I hope I never become one of those Sunday drivers. Just a couple of days ago I was driving top down in the rain with a huge smile on my face. No fucking rolling mattress can ever compete with that.
Man, when the guy with the fifteen step daily skin regimen calls y'all out on being soft...
Quote from: Raza on October 03, 2016, 12:52:56 PM
You guys are saying this:
But what I hear is this:
:devil:
In your scenario, it's "drive the boring car as much as possible, then in the one day of the year when the planets align and it's absolutely perfect, get your hat AND sunglasses and put the top down". I hope I never become one of those Sunday drivers. Just a couple of days ago I was driving top down in the rain with a huge smile on my face. No fucking rolling mattress can ever compete with that.
Nobody said any of that. You are hearing weird things because you take car ownership way way way too seriously.
Puss. Ease.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 03, 2016, 01:19:19 PM
Man, when the guy with the fifteen step daily skin regimen calls y'all out on being soft...
When he prances around in white loafers and wears scarves, hard to take him seriously about calling people soft.
I have to say, this has taken an oddly personal turn.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 03, 2016, 03:44:26 PM
I have to say, this has taken an oddly personal turn.
Poo sees?
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on October 03, 2016, 07:46:14 PM
Sounds like my stable! LOL!
:rockon:
But you need a damn C7 already ;)
Quote from: MrH on October 03, 2016, 03:22:32 PM
When he prances around in white loafers and wears scarves, hard to take him seriously about calling people soft.
Guess I touched a nerve, eh? I guess you get touchy when you spend so much time driving around in a suburban mom's SUV. :devil:
Damn, folks. I only wanted to have a thought exercise :mask:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 03, 2016, 08:00:00 PM
:rockon:
But you need a damn C7 already ;)
I've been eyeballing used ones! They cost too damn much for me to make the plunge! Hell I'm still trynna catch a cheap C6 GS!!!! LOL!!!!
I'm late to the thread, but count me with the folks who are puzzled by the choice between two cars that are quite sporty versus one car that really isn't. How about one car that's more fun, or a greater difference between two cars? I'll admit I haven't driven one, but the current 5 Series just doesn't get great marks for driving enjoyment compared to a CTS or A6; there's also a nice class of models one size smaller yet still roomier and fancier than a Focus or Miata.
Its an interesting thread that took an odd turn.
I think you guys are either way overestimating how "stiff" some cars are or maybe I am just unusual.
I mean, I bought the car I did mainly because it is going to be used as a daily driver. But to me what I want in my daily driver is a manual transmission, a firm suspension, and something that is fun to be in and drive. Regarding stiffness in particular, my car has three settings (comfort, normal, and sport/race) and I have kind of settled on leaving it on sport/race all the time (have tried each for a week at a time). I mean comfort was definitely softer but I don't see much advantage in a cushier ride when I am just by myself.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on October 04, 2016, 09:39:15 AM
Its an interesting thread that took an odd turn.
I think you guys are either way overestimating how "stiff" some cars are or maybe I am just unusual.
I mean, I bought the car I did mainly because it is going to be used as a daily driver. But to me what I want in my daily driver is a manual transmission, a firm suspension, and something that is fun to be in and drive. Regarding stiffness in particular, my car has three settings (comfort, normal, and sport/race) and I have kind of settled on leaving it on sport/race all the time (have tried each for a week at a time). I mean comfort was definitely softer but I don't see much advantage in a cushier ride when I am just by myself.
Golf R is good for a one car stable
Would you have bought it if you could have two cars? I'm thinking no
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 04, 2016, 10:54:06 AM
Golf R is good for a one car stable
Would you have bought it if you could have two cars? I'm thinking no
Yes of course...its my daily driver. If I was buying a second car (Miata for example) that doesn't change the fact that the Golf R is a good daily driver. :huh:
Quote from: SJ_GTI on October 04, 2016, 11:30:45 AM
Yes of course...its my daily driver. If I was buying a second car (Miata for example) that doesn't change the fact that the Golf R is a good daily driver. :huh:
Nah you're wrong. You would have bought a camcord. The SPIN is never wrong. There is too much overlap.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 04, 2016, 12:14:37 PM
Nah you're wrong. You would have bought a camcord. The SPIN is never wrong. There is too much overlap.
Why does this infuriate you? :lol:
Quote from: ifcar on October 04, 2016, 07:03:47 AM
I'm late to the thread, but count me with the folks who are puzzled by the choice between two cars that are quite sporty versus one car that really isn't. How about one car that's more fun, or a greater difference between two cars? I'll admit I haven't driven one, but the current 5 Series just doesn't get great marks for driving enjoyment compared to a CTS or A6; there's also a nice class of models one size smaller yet still roomier and fancier than a Focus or Miata.
eh, I was really just wondering how much car I can get for $30k that would be useful and enjoyable in my day-to-day. Wasn't really worried with "oh no this is too much sportiness for my liking"
E9x M3
Cayman S
CTS-V
TT Benz
IS-F
997 C2
G37 6MT
997 C2 for $30k?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 04, 2016, 07:29:00 PM
E9x M3
Cayman S
CTS-V
TT Benz
IS-F
997 C2
G37 6MT
Please remember that this whole thing started because I started to become annoyed with repair costs on my V6 Caddy
I vote S2000
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 04, 2016, 07:29:00 PM
E9x M3
Cayman S
CTS-V
TT Benz
IS-F
997 C2
G37 6MT
What the hell is a TT Benz?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 04, 2016, 12:47:25 PM
Why does this infuriate you? :lol:
Nah I'm not infuriated. At least I'm not the one hurling insults at Raza's dainty scarves and shoes. :lol:
I can't resist a few jabs at our forum metrosexual calling people soft :lol:
Valuing one's appearance is not "metrosexual". People hate on Raza because they themselves can't dress :hammerhead: I imagine the most tailoring they've had done their entire lives is having a Men's Warehouse suit hemmed.
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 04, 2016, 07:50:08 PM
What the hell is a TT Benz?
TT Benz, you know, the little 2+2 based on the Mercedes Golf.
Or maybe he's talking about the 4.0/5.5L TT V8 benzos. Ie the 550s
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 05, 2016, 05:57:00 AM
Valuing one's appearance is not "metrosexual". People hate on Raza because they themselves can't dress :hammerhead: I imagine the most tailoring they've had done their entire lives is having a Men's Warehouse suit hemmed.
TT Benz, you know, the little 2+2 based on the Mercedes Golf.
Isn't that exactly what metrosexual means?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 05, 2016, 06:28:25 AM
Isn't that exactly what metrosexual means?
See also: Fop; Dandy
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 05, 2016, 06:28:25 AM
Isn't that exactly what metrosexual means?
No, metro above and beyond, like getting manicures or getting your eyebrows waxed
Taking some pride in your appearance and doing shit like wearing clothes that fit well is just that. America is probably the only place in the world where people take pride in dressing awful.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 05, 2016, 07:04:34 AM
No, metro above and beyond, like getting manicures or getting your eyebrows waxed
Taking some pride in your appearance and doing shit like wearing clothes that fit well is just that. America is probably the only place in the world where people take pride in dressing awful.
Yeah, sounds like Raza to me. Don't know why you think it's an insult though, other than I decided to rib him about it a bit.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 05, 2016, 06:00:03 AM
Or maybe he's talking about the 4.0/5.5L TT V8 benzos. Ie the 550s
That's what I thought he meant. If he really meant the CLA, those wouldn't be a bad idea, but for the prices they're currently listed at, I'll probably pass.
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Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 05, 2016, 07:18:56 AM
Yeah, sounds like Raza to me. Don't know why you think it's an insult though, other than I decided to rib him about it a bit.
No beef with your ribbing. I thought it was a bigger burn on the people I was calling soft than on me.
Quote from: MrH on October 04, 2016, 09:29:33 PM
I can't resist a few jabs at our forum metrosexual calling people soft :lol:
If I'm the forum metro and Dave is the forum dad, does that make you the forum soccer mom? :devil:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 05, 2016, 07:04:34 AM
No, metro above and beyond, like getting manicures or getting your eyebrows waxed
Taking some pride in your appearance and doing shit like wearing clothes that fit well is just that. America is probably the only place in the world where people take pride in dressing awful.
met·ro·sex·ual
noun
a young, urban, heterosexual male with liberal political views, an interest in fashion, and a refined sense of taste.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 05, 2016, 05:57:00 AM
Valuing one's appearance is not "metrosexual". People hate on Raza because they themselves can't dress :hammerhead: I imagine the most tailoring they've had done their entire lives is having a Men's Warehouse suit hemmed.
You do realize how expensive it is to wear tailored clothes or dress like Raza, right? Fuck, you can hardly buy a decent suit for less than a month's rent depending on where you live. Must be nice. :rolleyes:
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 05, 2016, 03:14:48 PM
met·ro·sex·ual
noun
a young, urban, heterosexual male with liberal political views, an interest in fashion, and a refined sense of taste.
I'm not that liberal, but I take no umbrage with the rest of the description.
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 05, 2016, 03:18:38 PM
You do realize how expensive it is to wear tailored clothes or dress like Raza, right? Fuck, you can hardly buy a decent suit for less than a month's rent depending on where you live. Must be nice. :rolleyes:
Calm down. 1, I was being a little hyperbolic. You don't need to have everything tailored, just buy shit that mostly fits out of the box. Only tailored stuff I have are button down shirts and those cost a total of a whopping $50 (shirt + tailoring). As for suits H&M has great stuff. My wedding suit was from there, cost like $100, fit pretty well and I still have it. Looking at pictures I probably should have got it hemmed but w/e.
You don't need to spend a million bucks to have good clothes, you just have to take a little care and look.
Quote from: Raza on October 05, 2016, 02:21:19 PM
No beef with your ribbing. I thought it was a bigger burn on the people I was calling soft than on me.
Good.
That was the intent.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 05, 2016, 04:13:26 PM
Calm down. 1, I was being a little hyperbolic. You don't need to have everything tailored, just buy shit that mostly fits out of the box. Only tailored stuff I have are button down shirts and those cost a total of a whopping $50 (shirt + tailoring). As for suits H&M has great stuff. My wedding suit was from there, cost like $100, fit pretty well and I still have it. Looking at pictures I probably should have got it hemmed but w/e.
You don't need to spend a million bucks to have good clothes, you just have to take a little care and look.
Can't recall the last time I paid $50+ for any article of clothing outside of jackets/boots/shoes. It's totally possible to look good and dress to yourself and body without needing to be metrosexual or buying tailored items. I know you know this and were being a bit sarcastic/hyperbolic.
The most tailoring I've ever had done is none...unless you count being fitted for a rental tux three times in my life (prom, bro's wedding, buddy's wedding). :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 05, 2016, 11:09:04 PM
Can't recall the last time I paid $50+ for any article of clothing outside of jackets/boots/shoes. It's totally possible to look good and dress to yourself and body without needing to be metrosexual or buying tailored items. I know you know this and were being a bit sarcastic/hyperbolic.
The most tailoring I've ever had done is none...unless you count being fitted for a rental tux three times in my life (prom, bro's wedding, buddy's wedding). :lol:
Only things I buy that cost more than $50 are shoes and coats. All my shirts and pants are <$40
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 06, 2016, 06:09:17 AM
Only things I buy that cost more than $50 are shoes and coats. All my shirts and pants are <$40
Good. :devil: :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 06, 2016, 06:09:17 AM
Only things I buy that cost more than $50 are shoes and coats. All my shirts and pants are <$40
What? How?
Quote from: 2o6 on October 07, 2016, 08:42:06 AM
What? How?
I'm guessing Walmart or Costco. No fitting rooms though. 12,000 RPM doesn't strike me as
a coupon cutter but maybe he is. More likely, my guess, is that he just doesn't shop for shirts and pants and relies on his wife, parents, and in-laws to buy him those things for his birthday and Christmas. :lol:
Also an adult male can get away with wearing the same 10 -
20 shirts and same 10 pants year after year if you don't need fancy clothes for work. I haven't bought a suit for 15 years. I've gotten 4 of them from close relatives in that time.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 07, 2016, 08:42:06 AM
What? How?
ASOS, H&M, Uniqlo
$50 is prob a more realistic cap but yea it doesn't cost anything to make plain clothes that fit well.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 07, 2016, 09:35:47 AM
ASOS, H&M, Uniqlo
$50 is prob a more realistic cap but yea it doesn't cost anything to make plain clothes that fit well.
Oh yea, then we shop at the same places then lol. (Except Uniqlo; their fitment is so awkward to me - I have to go in person and there's no Uniqlo close to me)
I love ASOS. I just spent $100 there this week.
Uniqlo takes work for sure, all their shirt cuts are basura. Still though, $30 for a button down + $20 for my tailor to make it decent is nice. Their slim fit jeans/chinos fit me perfect.
Basura?
Garbage! You work for Google lol.
Quote from: Laconian on October 08, 2016, 12:08:17 AM
Basura?
Trash. Come on, man, it's Spanish. We're building a wall to keep those people out, and you can't learn a little of their language?
Quote from: Raza on October 08, 2016, 09:32:12 AM
Trash. Come on, man, it's Spanish. We're building a wall to keep those people out, and you can't learn a little of their language?
We're building a wall around Spain too?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 08, 2016, 10:50:48 AM
We're building a wall around Spain too?
Galleta, construimos paredes de todo el mundo.
Quote from: Raza on October 08, 2016, 03:59:07 PM
Galleta, construimos paredes de todo el mundo.
Putting the Aliens back into Illegal Aliens?