Ok, so we'll be moving to León in about 3 months. This is 400km away from Mexico City. There is an airport there but door-to-door travel times are very close in a car. Best case scenario flying takes 2.5 hours if there are absolutely no delays and light traffic on both ends. Typical drive is 4 hours.
I'll have to commute back here a ton (we're holding on to our rented apt) for work. Possibly weekly at first. The drive is on multi lane superhighways in fair to good state of repair. Road repair works and accidents are relatively common so there is the occasional large jam, not to mention that entering and exiting Mexico City can be quite stressful to say the least. The roads present a lot of chances for high speed driving "autobahn style". The drive is mostly on flat straight roads except for maybe 30 or 40km of relatively fun mountain driving.
I want to get a car specifically to pile on a ton of miles on for these drives over the next two to three years. These are my requirements:
- Comfortable. It must have great seats and a nice plush interior.
- Active cruise control/driver assists. I want these features to relax a bit when I want on those long drives.
- Good highway power. Must reach 200 plus km/h and have reasonable passing power above 150kph
- Not terrible fuel economy. I prefer if it makes 25+ mpg highway.
- Good sound system. To enjoy music on the road.
- New or CPO with some warranty. I don't want to budget for anything extra repair-wise.
- A bit fun on the twisty parts.
- Stylish. I am a snob, so no "non-premium" brands.
- Budget varies wildly between say 40K and 80K. This mostly depends on whether I want to hold on to my M5 which I love but can't be relied on for this. Too high mileage for such a finicky car.
This car would be driven in Mexico City but mostly stay parked in León where I'd keep the fun fleet. I am open to something not BMW.
So far I've thought of :
- New 911 Carrera manual with very few options. This is at the top of my price range. I'd have to let go of the M5 and one of the other two cars at least.
- New 5er in 30i, 40i or 50i guise.
- CPO 6er Coupe or grand Coupe
- Jag XF S
- New loaded 440i Coupe
- merc c class Coupe
- merc e class Coupe
- Volvo S90
This will take 3 to 9 months to decide. What does the spin think?
911 Carerra. Chubby cheddar did the same kind of thing. He traded in one of the turbo BMWs for one or was cross shopping them, I can't remember. He factory ordered it with only 2-3k in options and got the non S.
6 coupe. :wub:
I like the 911 but I don't think I'd want one if I was racking up that kind of miles (~25k miles a year if weekly).
Can you trade w/ your wife and take the X5 on the days you commute? Man, you have a lot of cars I definitely would not be looking to add another one.
Quote from: Rich on March 29, 2017, 08:53:02 AM
911 Carerra. Chubby cheddar did the same kind of thing. He traded in one of the turbo BMWs for one or was cross shopping them, I can't remember. He factory ordered it with only 2-3k in options and got the non S.
Quote from: Lebowski on March 29, 2017, 09:22:59 AM
I like the 911 but I don't think I'd want one if I was racking up that kind of miles (~25k miles a year if weekly).
Can you trade w/ your wife and take the X5 on the days you commute? Man, you have a lot of cars I definitely would not be looking to add another one.
The 911 is a "dream car" for me. A step up from what I have. However, I am not sure if it's the best car for this job. To get active cruise control I'd have to get the PDK which I don't want. The combo of those options is very expensive on an already expensive car. Also, I'd have to keep the MINI in Mexico City for use here. Too risky security-wise to drive every day on the 911. It's almost an exotic here.
Lebowski, mostly forget about the financial wisdom of this. There is none. I could of course manage with what I have. But cars are my toys. Financially it makes more sense to run the M5 to the ground even factoring in the huge repair bills it would probably generate.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 29, 2017, 09:07:37 AM
6 coupe. :wub:
I like this option. I probably could get a large discount on a new one because it is approaching its end of life. Or a less expensive CPO. Only problem is if I want to get ACC new is probably the only choice as the default config here doesn't include it. Almost impossible to find a used one with it.
http://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-578366802-bmw-grand-coupe-650ia-2014-perfecto-estado-_JM
http://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-575500685-bmw-650-i-coupe-2016-v8-biturbo-nuevo-_JM
Audi A6.
Two words:
Camry on coilovers.
I would seriously consider getting an econocar rather than racking up that kind of mileage on something nicer or higher end (and with expensive maintenance costs). A Civic or Corolla or Mazda3 will slip fuel, be cheap to run, and not kill your wallet as badly when you unload them with 6-figure mileage after 4 years.
On second though I think helicopter and landing pad at work or the apartment. There's a car there waiting for you anyway
Quote from: Rich on March 29, 2017, 10:30:54 AM
On second though I think helicopter and landing pad at work or the apartment. There's a car there waiting for you anyway
I was thinking that as well. As a plan B.
Quote from: MX793 on March 29, 2017, 10:24:15 AM
I would seriously consider getting an econocar rather than racking up that kind of mileage on something nicer or higher end (and with expensive maintenance costs). A Civic or Corolla or Mazda3 will slip fuel, be cheap to run, and not kill your wallet as badly when you unload them with 6-figure mileage after 4 years.
The Turbo I4s are capable of great mileage; even in a semi-luxury vehicle. I was surprised that I was able to get 6.3 L/100 K on our Discovery Sport with a 2 litre turbo (EcoBoost); 37+ mpg. Of course, at 240 kph, it wouldn't do as good.
E-Class coupe
Dat interior
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 29, 2017, 10:08:34 AM
Lebowski, mostly forget about the financial wisdom of this. There is none. I could of course manage with what I have. But cars are my toys. Financially it makes more sense to run the M5 to the ground even factoring in the huge repair bills it would probably generate.
Nah, financially it would make the most sense to sell all your cars and buy you and your wife each a used economical car. I'm not suggesting you do that, and you still have a damn nice stable of cars.
I get the owning 911 being a dream thing, it used to be for me too.
Personally and I'm obviously not you but I'm "trying" to put myself in your shoes.
- I wouldn't get the Porsche. As you said it's an exotic down there and I wouldn't want the added stress of looking over my shoulder making sure no one is following me on a weekly long commute. That's just adding unnecessary stress. You have the track to appease your adrenaline rush and are a part owner of a high end Porsche already to boot.
- Are you seriously going to go away from BMW or is all this just bullshit. Mini is BMW owned. Other than the high end Porsche, every car you've ever owned is BMW and you are President of the BMW fan club or something like that. Doesn't really jive to get a Mercedes, Audi, or Jaguar when you can get an equivalent BMW and you already know all the shops which can work on your BMW.
- In your shoes, I'd say screw it and I'd get something different than a BMW. Just for variety's sake. I'd want something with a cabin different than all my other cars with different design elements and layout. So I would remove all BMWs from the list purposely to force myself to go outside my comfort zone.
- I'd get a Mercedes E class sedan or coupe. I don't know if they sell bluetec (the diesel) over there but a bluetec sedan is a great long distance car. The E250 Bluetec get's > 40 miles per gallon highway and at that rate gets around 840 miles per tank full of gas.
https://www.aerotrader.com/dealers/AirplanesUSA-Aircraft-Sales-of-Chicago-2926310/listing/1966-British-Aerospace-Folland-Gnat---N316RF-113119970
Used S-class?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 29, 2017, 12:39:58 PM
https://www.aerotrader.com/dealers/AirplanesUSA-Aircraft-Sales-of-Chicago-2926310/listing/1966-British-Aerospace-Folland-Gnat---N316RF-113119970
That cockpit looked a bit sketchy. Except for that, pure win!
Quote from: mzziaz on March 29, 2017, 01:15:02 PM
That cockpit looked a bit sketchy. Except for that, pure win!
That big hole in the middle is the perfect spot for your infotainment screen...
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 29, 2017, 12:39:58 PM
https://www.aerotrader.com/dealers/AirplanesUSA-Aircraft-Sales-of-Chicago-2926310/listing/1966-British-Aerospace-Folland-Gnat---N316RF-113119970
/thread
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 29, 2017, 12:39:58 PM
https://www.aerotrader.com/dealers/AirplanesUSA-Aircraft-Sales-of-Chicago-2926310/listing/1966-British-Aerospace-Folland-Gnat---N316RF-113119970
Does the local credit union give out loans for that?
Quote from: MX793 on March 29, 2017, 10:24:15 AM
I would seriously consider getting an econocar rather than racking up that kind of mileage on something nicer or higher end (and with expensive maintenance costs). A Civic or Corolla or Mazda3 will slip fuel, be cheap to run, and not kill your wallet as badly when you unload them with 6-figure mileage after 4 years.
No. I'll be spending a ton of time in this car. I want to pamper myself a bit.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 29, 2017, 01:11:05 PM
Used S-class?
Possibly. I've also looked at a couple of last year previous gen 7 series and there are a few CPO for sale. Hadn't thought of an S class.
Quote from: veeman on March 29, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
Personally and I'm obviously not you but I'm "trying" to put myself in your shoes.
- I wouldn't get the Porsche. As you said it's an exotic down there and I wouldn't want the added stress of looking over my shoulder making sure no one is following me on a weekly long commute. That's just adding unnecessary stress. You have the track to appease your adrenaline rush and are a part owner of a high end Porsche already to boot.
- Are you seriously going to go away from BMW or is all this just bullshit. Mini is BMW owned. Other than the high end Porsche, every car you've ever owned is BMW and you are President of the BMW fan club or something like that. Doesn't really jive to get a Mercedes, Audi, or Jaguar when you can get an equivalent BMW and you already know all the shops which can work on your BMW.
- In your shoes, I'd say screw it and I'd get something different than a BMW. Just for variety's sake. I'd want something with a cabin different than all my other cars with different design elements and layout. So I would remove all BMWs from the list purposely to force myself to go outside my comfort zone.
- I'd get a Mercedes E class sedan or coupe. I don't know if they sell bluetec (the diesel) over there but a bluetec sedan is a great long distance car. The E250 Bluetec get's > 40 miles per gallon highway and at that rate gets around 840 miles per tank full of gas.
I am really open to something different. I like the new 5er but it is a bit boring styling wise. A coupe would be better for this. Jaguar, Merc, Volvo all possible. Alfa too. Not Audi though. I am not paying through the nose for a VW. No disrespect to Dave here. Or Raza. Or half the spin that loves them VWs.
I like the new E class coupe a lot. We'll see how it's priced and equipped in a few months when it arrives here. A C43 coupe could be nice as well. It is priced right here.
Quote from: Rich on March 29, 2017, 10:30:54 AM
On second though I think helicopter and landing pad at work or the apartment. There's a car there waiting for you anyway
Lol. Wouldn't that be grand.
Quote from: FoMoJo on March 29, 2017, 10:56:08 AM
The Turbo I4s are capable of great mileage; even in a semi-luxury vehicle. I was surprised that I was able to get 6.3 L/100 K on our Discovery Sport with a 2 litre turbo (EcoBoost); 37+ mpg. Of course, at 240 kph, it wouldn't do as good.
Fuel cost is part of the equation. Wear and tear, routine maintenance and service, etc... It's going to cost a lot more visiting your local BMW/MB/Jag/Audi/LR dealer or certified mechanic than to get your Honda/Toyota/Mazda worked on. Parts will be cheaper, too (remember that radiators are a "wear item" on BMWs that have routine replacement intervals). If you're racking up 25-30K miles a year on this car, you're looking at more service visits per year, more parts needing replacement sooner (by calendar) due to wear, etc... Not to mention depreciation. An E class or 5er with 150K miles isn't going to be worth much more than an Accord at the same mileage, but will cost a lot more when new, cost a lot more to maintain, and probably be harder to sell (lots of folks are leery of really high mileage luxury/premium cars).
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 29, 2017, 02:04:46 PM
Does the local credit union give out loans for that?
Yes, most likely. Most do.
Quote from: MX793 on March 29, 2017, 04:16:25 PM
Fuel cost is part of the equation. Wear and tear, routine maintenance and service, etc... It's going to cost a lot more visiting your local BMW/MB/Jag/Audi/LR dealer or certified mechanic than to get your Honda/Toyota/Mazda worked on. Parts will be cheaper, too (remember that radiators are a "wear item" on BMWs that have routine replacement intervals). If you're racking up 25-30K miles a year on this car, you're looking at more service visits per year, more parts needing replacement sooner (by calendar) due to wear, etc... Not to mention depreciation. An E class or 5er with 150K miles isn't going to be worth much more than an Accord at the same mileage, but will cost a lot more when new, cost a lot more to maintain, and probably be harder to sell (lots of folks are leery of really high mileage luxury/premium cars).
You got me to look at the local Acura site. A loaded TLX would be literally half the price of a similarly equipped 540i. That Acura would be the FWD V6. It's about 33K FFS. A bit tempting, I might go test drive one.
A Porsche sounds like the worst idea
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 29, 2017, 04:33:49 PM
You got me to look at the local Acura site. A loaded TLX would be literally half the price of a similarly equipped 540i. That Acura would be the FWD V6. It's about 33K FFS. A bit tempting, I might go test drive one.
Just out of curiosity, what makes Acura acceptable but Audi not?
Quote from: BimmerM3 on March 29, 2017, 04:51:09 PM
Just out of curiosity, what makes Acura acceptable but Audi not?
The Acura is half the price of an equivalent Audi (or BMW or Benz).
Quote from: 2o6 on March 29, 2017, 04:38:46 PM
A Porsche sounds like the worst idea
Please elaborate.
Space/comfort, running/maintenance costs, depreciation with the high mileage, and that's even before this twist that you would need to leave a second car there because it's too "exotic". Terrible choice for the intended role, imo.
If you really want the Porsche and can justify and afford having a seventh? car go for it, but don't try to rationalize it by telling yourself it would make an ideal long distance commuter
You've already kinda got the ultimate highway cruiser in your stable. This one really comes down to how badly you want the autonomous driving features; I was looking at the Macan S as a wildcard to the ones you had mentioned and even it only got 20ish mpg. You could replace your world's-most-expensive-transmission-this-side-of-a-Ferrari like 3X before it makes the same kind of dent as a new car.
If you're looking at the 440 and C-Class just go with the XE or F-Type instead of the XF, or get the Porsche 'cause that's what you really want.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 29, 2017, 03:43:36 PM
Lol. Wouldn't that be grand.
https://www.aerotrader.com/listing/2014-Mosquito-XEL-121441032
Less money than any of the cars in question. :rockon:
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 29, 2017, 05:33:06 PM
https://www.aerotrader.com/listing/2014-Mosquito-XEL-121441032
Less money than any of the cars in question. :rockon:
Not enough range to make it from Leon to MC without stopping for fuel about halfway. And it'll likely not be much faster than a car save for if there is a traffic jam. Also not sure how well it would do at Mexico City's altitude. Max altitude on those things is maybe 8000 ft. MC is over 7200'.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 29, 2017, 05:05:25 PM
Please elaborate.
As a toy? Sure. On a long journey thru Mexico, 3 hours one way? All the time? What's the point? Especially since you can't even drive it around the city because it may get stolen, vandalized, etc. What's the point of buying it if you can't really use it, and you're using it in a banal way?
Or at least a more basic Porsche? Boxster? Cayman??
A 911 seems like a waste for that commute.
You guys are right about the Porsche. Wrong car for this use. It would work as a 1M/E46 replacement. Weekend toy/ocassional track car. And to putter around Leon where conditions are better than in MC.
Quote from: Tave on March 29, 2017, 05:24:07 PM
You've already kinda got the ultimate highway cruiser in your stable. This one really comes down to how badly you want the autonomous driving features; I was looking at the Macan S as a wildcard to the ones you had mentioned and even it only got 20ish mpg. You could replace your world's-most-expensive-transmission-this-side-of-a-Ferrari like 3X before it makes the same kind of dent as a new car.
If you're looking at the 440 and C-Class just go with the XE or F-Type instead of the XF, or get the Porsche 'cause that's what you really want.
I agree with your M5 math too. Even at say, 5K in repairs per year it would end up less expensive than a new car. The only thing is that it will probably leave me in the middle of nowhere waiting for a tow a few times. But it is a fucking highway missile that thing. Anything short of the engine blowing would be manageable. The engine shouldn't blow for the next 20K miles or so. Then I need to do a rod bearing preventive replacement maintenance for about 3K or so.
I guess we need an option called "Run the E60 M5 to the ground for 150K miles". The M5 is worth about 25K today in the local market here. Meaning to a few club friends who have expressed firm interest in buying it from me.
The Macan S and the BMW X4 M40i are also options.
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 29, 2017, 05:33:06 PM
https://www.aerotrader.com/listing/2014-Mosquito-XEL-121441032
Less money than any of the cars in question. :rockon:
Quote from: MX793 on March 29, 2017, 05:40:50 PM
Not enough range to make it from Leon to MC without stopping for fuel about halfway. And it'll likely not be much faster than a car save for if there is a traffic jam. Also not sure how well it would do at Mexico City's altitude. Max altitude on those things is maybe 8000 ft. MC is over 7200'.
Mexico City airport has no private aviation. It is saturated with commercial flights. Maybe the new airport coming online in 3 years or so will have them. For now, you have to fly into Toluca which is a hassle. Plus, the running costs on a plane I can't even fathom. I am far, very far from being able to even consider that.
The Mosquito is a kit aircraft. They actually aren't all that expensive to own or run. Not like a "normal" plane.
What about a Mustang?
They're surprisingly thrifty, and offers a lot of performance and comfort.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 29, 2017, 06:52:03 PM
What about a Mustang?
They're surprisingly thrifty, and offers a lot of performance and comfort.
No active cruise control, not really that comfortable IMO. I've driven a few V6s. They're ok but not that impressed. Not my style I think.
Given your stable, I can't see you in a Mustang, either. :lol:
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 29, 2017, 07:01:11 PM
No active cruise control, not really that comfortable IMO. I've driven a few V6s. They're ok but not that impressed. Not my style I think.
New Mustangs have active cruise. At least in the US.
Quote from: MX793 on March 29, 2017, 07:06:20 PM
New Mustangs have active cruise. At least in the US.
No mention of it in the mexican site. Just checked. One thing that sucks here is that other than BMW, Porsche, Audi and to some extent Mercedes the configurable options on most other brands are extremely limited. Cars are sold in a few standard configs only. And for the european ones that you can configure, the wait to delivery is 3-4 months.
Active cruise is strange and awesome. I drove my first vehicle with driver assists last summer. A Subaru I detailed. I felt it tugging at the steering wheel and shit and it was freaking me out...then I realized "ahhhh, is this what lane departure control is?!" The adaptive cruise I figured out pretty quick, but the steering thing was so weird since I wasn't expecting it. Super beneficial for that customer, too, as she is handicapped with a bum arm and some other movement handicaps that I've never really asked about.
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 29, 2017, 07:12:27 PM
Active cruise is strange and awesome. I drove my first vehicle with driver assists last summer. A Subaru I detailed. I felt it tugging at the steering wheel and shit and it was freaking me out...then I realized "ahhhh, is this what lane departure control is?!" The adaptive cruise I figured out pretty quick, but the steering thing was so weird since I wasn't expecting it. Super beneficial for that customer, too, as she is handicapped with a bum arm and some other movement handicaps that I've never really asked about.
I've driven only two cars with autonomous features. A friend's Tesla (awesome) and a new 5er briefly (very good). For long highway drives in traffic I think these features are fantastic.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 29, 2017, 07:17:17 PM
I've driven only two cars with autonomous features. A friend's Tesla (awesome) and a new 5er briefly (very good). For long highway drives in traffic I think these features are fantastic.
I agree.
Well, minutes ago I got the new Car and Driver May issue. They compare 540i, XF-S, A6, E43 and CTS-VSport. Gave it a glance.
It seems their recent anti-BMW rhetoric continues. Order is:
E43 > CTS > A6 > 540i > XF-S
540i has the best engine, drivetrain, interior, and is the best luxury car of the group they say. The CTS-V Sport is not for sale here. The Merc we get only in E400 form, not E43. Worth a look but in that case I think it´d be best to wait for the coupe.
For a few years now BMW seems to win on euro mags (the new 5er has beaten all comers in euro mags so far like CAR and Autocar) and gets dragged to the ground in the american press, both C&D and Motor Trend.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 29, 2017, 07:01:11 PM
No active cruise control, not really that comfortable IMO. I've driven a few V6s. They're ok but not that impressed. Not my style I think.
The most current shape one?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 29, 2017, 07:38:26 PM
The most current shape one?
Ford's offerings in foreign markets aren't the same as in the US. I'm not sure they offer adaptive cruise outside of the US and Canada. I believe it was docked points by EuroNCAP for not having any kind of automated driving features (they view adaptive cruise as a safety feature).
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 29, 2017, 07:27:53 PM
Well, minutes ago I got the new Car and Driver May issue. They compare 540i, XF-S, A6, E43 and CTS-VSport. Gave it a glance.
It seems their recent anti-BMW rhetoric continues. Order is:
E43 > CTS > A6 > 540i > XF-S
540i has the best engine, drivetrain, interior, and is the best luxury car of the group they say. The CTS-V Sport is not for sale here. The Merc we get only in E400 form, not E43. Worth a look but in that case I think it´d be best to wait for the coupe.
For a few years now BMW seems to win on euro mags (the new 5er has beaten all comers in euro mags so far like CAR and Autocar) and gets dragged to the ground in the american press, both C&D and Motor Trend.
If it was the best luxury car or the group what was their beef?
Quote from: Lebowski on March 29, 2017, 08:25:22 PM
If it was the best luxury car or the group what was their beef?
Steering and handling as has become usual with C&D and BMWs.
Yeah I would keep the M5. That's already the perfect highway cruiser. Plus, it's not like any of the newer cars' maintenance and upkeep will be any better.
Only reason I'd dump the M5 is to get something super fuel efficient like a Volt.
Prius V.
On coilovers.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 29, 2017, 07:17:17 PM
I've driven only two cars with autonomous features. A friend's Tesla (awesome) and a new 5er briefly (very good). For long highway drives in traffic I think these features are fantastic.
How about the model S or X?
Quote from: mzziaz on March 30, 2017, 12:16:48 AM
How about the model S or X?
I think he said Teslas are not available in Mexico yet
Quote from: mzziaz on March 30, 2017, 12:16:48 AM
How about the model S or X?
Why? So he can be stranded halfway when the battery dies?
Electric cars are junk, garbage, basura, gomi, poubelle, søppel.
Unless they're on coilovers.
Quote from: Raza on March 30, 2017, 12:26:13 AM
Why? So he can be stranded halfway when the battery dies?
Electric cars are junk, garbage, basura, gomi, poubelle, søppel.
Unless they're on coilovers.
Say hi to my new commuter friend:
(http://images.dealer.com/ddc/vehicles/2017/Chevrolet/Bolt%20EV/SUV/trim_LT_93ff56/color/Cajun%20Red%20Tintcoat-GPJ-84%2C0%2C17-640-en_US.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on March 30, 2017, 12:20:48 AM
I think he said Teslas are not available in Mexico yet
https://www.tesla.com/es_MX/findus/list/stores/Mexico?redirect=no
Quote from: mzziaz on March 30, 2017, 12:16:48 AM
How about the model S or X?
Quote from: 68_427 on March 30, 2017, 12:20:48 AM
I think he said Teslas are not available in Mexico yet
Quote from: mzziaz on March 30, 2017, 03:56:31 AM
Say hi to my new commuter friend:
I'd need the 90D at least to get enough range. I really like the Tesla but it is priced stupidly high here. The car I'd need would be about 125K here. Can't afford that.
Bolt is not available yet Here. I doubt I'd like it enough but maybe.
Do they sell Diesel engine Mercedes and BMW in Mexico? Since you mention fuel economy as a factor, if they sell them you should consider them. Also huge cruising range.
New Lexus LS. Or a GS-F.
If you're driving 25k miles a year, you'll soon really appreciate cars that are reliable :lol: I have no idea what those cost down in Mexico though.
Yeah, reliability and low maintenance (tires and shit, $400 911 oil change etc) would be priorities for me. Honestly a non luxury brand might be the best bet esp given what you said about how "exotics" are viewed in Mexico City, I'd want something low profile.
Quote from: veeman on March 30, 2017, 07:23:24 AM
Do they sell Diesel engine Mercedes and BMW in Mexico? Since you mention fuel economy as a factor, if they sell them you should consider them. Also huge cruising range.
No diesels here. Audi used to sell them but after they got busted no more.
Quote from: MrH on March 30, 2017, 07:32:57 AM
New Lexus LS. Or a GS-F.
If you're driving 25k miles a year, you'll soon really appreciate cars that are reliable :lol: I have no idea what those cost down in Mexico though.
Lexus isn't available here for some reason. Only Infinity and Acura are here out of the Japanese luxury brands.
Quote from: Lebowski on March 30, 2017, 07:42:30 AM
Yeah, reliability and low maintenance (tires and shit, $400 911 oil change etc) would be priorities for me. Honestly a non luxury brand might be the best bet esp given what you said about how "exotics" are viewed in Mexico City, I'd want something low profile.
Out of the option we've been discussing only the 911 is "exotic". Everything else is fine. You see tons of bimmers, mercs, audis every day.
And maintenance is a consideration that's why I hesitate on simply using the M5 and am thinking on getting something new. New BMWs here have 3 year/100,000 km warranties and services are included.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 30, 2017, 04:02:43 AM
I'd need the 90D at least to get enough range. I really like the Tesla but it is priced stupidly high here. The car I'd need would be about 125K here. Can't afford that.
Bolt is not available yet Here. I doubt I'd like it enough but maybe.
I think a Bolt might be too pedestrian for your tastes. Also, the 60kWh batttery might also be too small for your needs. I suppose your drive is mostly highway driving with speeds well north of 100 km/h, which really kills EV range.
Too bad about the Tesla. With a charger both at work and home, it would both be a nice and effortless setup.
Quote from: mzziaz on March 30, 2017, 08:03:27 AM
I think a Bolt might be too pedestrian for your tastes. Also, the 60kWh batttery might also be too small for your needs. I suppose your drive is mostly highway driving with speeds well north of 100 km/h, which really kills EV range.
Too bad about the Tesla. With a charger both at work and home, it would both be a nice and effortless setup.
Just checked the Tesla site again. A 100D (without the P so no ludicrous acceleration) would be 50K down and 2K per month for 5 years to get. Can't afford that.
Is that in us$?
Quote from: Lebowski on March 30, 2017, 01:19:59 PM
Is that in us$?
Yes. Well, it's 1 million pesos down and 40K pesos monthly. It roughly equates to 50K US and 2K US monthly for 60 months. But the loan is denominated in pesos.
That is insane.
Does Genesis count as a premium brand now? For this purpose I don't think you can do better than a loaded G80 3.3T for the money
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 01, 2017, 07:47:48 PM
Does Genesis count as a premium brand now? For this purpose I don't think you can do better than a loaded G80 3.3T for the money
It's not for sale here.
And no, it doesn't count. :tounge:
That's a bummer. You get a lot less BMW for the same money. Soooooo much less
Do they have the US market Passat down there? That thing is a rolling mattress.
Import a 240D or 300D or 300D Turbodiesel from the US.
Classic cars are becoming more and more interesting, especially because they don't have these annoying electronic nannies and intrusive safety beeps and reminders. :praise:
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/m/mercedes-benz/230_e/mercedes-benz_230_e_6.jpeg)
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 30, 2017, 12:55:58 PM
Just checked the Tesla site again. A 100D (without the P so no ludicrous acceleration) would be 50K down and 2K per month for 5 years to get. Can't afford that.
Ouch.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 02, 2017, 04:49:18 AM
Import a 240D or 300D or 300D Turbodiesel from the US.
Classic cars are becoming more and more interesting, especially because they don't have these annoying electronic nannies and intrusive safety beeps and reminders. :praise:
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/m/mercedes-benz/230_e/mercedes-benz_230_e_6.jpeg)
These are my thoughts exactly. Not a 240D perhaps, but otherwise it's spot on.
Quote from: Raza on April 02, 2017, 12:50:04 AM
Do they have the US market Passat down there? That thing is a rolling mattress.
Yes. And at a good price too. But no ACC.
I was talking about this last night with Monika. Her suggestion is to keep the MINI or get a used i3 instead. She says she'd be glad to daily drive that in León when I am away and that I can take the X5 and put a ton of miles on it. She reminded me that we have no mileage limit on the X5's lease so I should just pile on the miles on it and at the end of term turn it in.
It makes all the sense in the world obviously, but it sorta removes the fun from spending countless hours in online configurators!
Drive the X5 till you configure the perfect E43 coupe then the X5 will burn down or end up in the ocean and you can get the E43 with insurance money.
Driving the existing X5 on a no mileage limit lease that's a no brianer.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 02, 2017, 12:07:09 PM
I was talking about this last night with Monika. Her suggestion is to keep the MINI or get a used i3 instead. She says she'd be glad to daily drive that in León when I am away and that I can take the X5 and put a ton of miles on it. She reminded me that we have no mileage limit on the X5's lease so I should just pile on the miles on it and at the end of term turn it in.
Yeah, do that, dummy. :lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 02, 2017, 11:07:19 AM
These are my thoughts exactly. Not a 240D perhaps, but otherwise it's spot on.
Ok then, a top-of-the-line 280E then! :lol:
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 02, 2017, 12:07:09 PM
I was talking about this last night with Monika. Her suggestion is to keep the MINI or get a used i3 instead. She says she'd be glad to daily drive that in León when I am away and that I can take the X5 and put a ton of miles on it. She reminded me that we have no mileage limit on the X5's lease so I should just pile on the miles on it and at the end of term turn it in.
It makes all the sense in the world obviously, but it sorta removes the fun from spending countless hours in online configurators!
Wait, wasn't the whole point of the X5 for hauling around baby and related stuff?
Quote from: BimmerM3 on April 03, 2017, 10:18:30 AM
Wait, wasn't the whole point of the X5 for hauling around baby and related stuff?
Yeah, but mostly for long trips. For driving around the city Monika actually prefers the MINI because it's easier to manage in heavy traffic and has a lower profile.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 03, 2017, 10:29:25 AM
Yeah, but mostly for long trips. For driving around the city Monika actually prefers the MINI because it's easier to manage in heavy traffic and has a lower profile.
Fair enough. Sounds like you got a plan then! Maybe not as exciting as getting a new car, but I'd imagine that the X5 is a excellent on the highway.
Dude we just saved him like $80k. Way more exciting than getting a new car.
"Damn. Guess I'll have to commute in a brand new X5." :lol:
Quote from: Lebowski on April 03, 2017, 12:04:54 PM
Dude we just saved him like $80k. Way more exciting than getting a new car.
Judging by the rest of Hector's garage, I somehow don't think he'll agree with you. :lol:
Quote from: BimmerM3 on April 03, 2017, 12:11:53 PM
Judging by the rest of Hector's garage, I somehow don't think he'll agree with you. :lol:
"Oh, shit, I had a perfectly good X5 with an
unlimited mileage lease in the carport all along". How big does your fleet have to get before you start forgetting you have an existing vehicle that perfectly fits a given role?
It's not exactly perfect as his gas mileage is going to be atrocious, but certainly much cheaper than buying an entire new car.
Quote from: Tave on April 03, 2017, 02:27:58 PM
It's not exactly perfect as his gas mileage is going to be atrocious, but certainly much cheaper than buying an entire new car.
Eh, the 25mpg requirement listed was a total red herring as none of the cars he considered in this thread have low running costs. Compared to commuting in a 911, I'll take the X5 gasoline bill all day long.
Quote from: Lebowski on April 03, 2017, 12:20:10 PM
"Oh, shit, I had a perfectly good X5 with an unlimited mileage lease in the carport all along". How big does your fleet have to get before you start forgetting you have an existing vehicle that perfectly fits a given role?
Of course, BMW will probably never offer him an unlimited mileage lease again...
$80k pays for a lot of gas. As Lebowski said it's not like he was considering something like a Volt.
But a 911 will get 30+MPG so less time is spent getting fuel, and time = money so 911 pays for itself right
Quote from: 68_427 on April 03, 2017, 03:47:32 PM
But a 911 will get 30+MPG so less time is spent getting fuel, and time = money so 911 pays for itself right
Atta boy.
But yeah, wife made rationalizing another car nigh on impossible.
Good waifu. She brings balance to the Force.
Maintenance alone makes multiple cars a pain. Seems like everything breaks or comes due at the same time
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 03, 2017, 05:41:13 PM
Atta boy.
But yeah, wife made rationalizing another car nigh on impossible.
So, no new car?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 03, 2017, 07:48:24 PM
Maintenance alone makes multiple cars a pain. Seems like everything breaks or comes due at the same time
Even simple shit like keeping them clean gets to be a pain with multiple cars. I am trying to minimize my life a bit with less emphasis on accumulating possessions, your shit really does end up owning you. Owning 7 cars sounds awful.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 03, 2017, 07:48:24 PM
Maintenance alone makes multiple cars a pain. Seems like everything breaks or comes due at the same time
Never heard a kid say maintenance alone makes multiple toys a pain. My car buying part is my forever a kid part.
Quote from: Lebowski on April 03, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
Even simple shit like keeping them clean gets to be a pain with multiple cars. I am trying to minimize my life a bit with less emphasis on accumulating possessions, your shit really does end up owning you. Owning 7 cars sounds awful.
Kidding with Sporty above aside, there is some truth to that. Definitely money is worth spending more on experiences than on possessions. However, cars blur that a bit because if chosen right and given the ungodly amount of time we spend on them, they do affect experience.
Quote from: Lebowski on April 03, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
Even simple shit like keeping them clean gets to be a pain with multiple cars. I am trying to minimize my life a bit with less emphasis on accumulating possessions, your shit really does end up owning you. Owning 7 cars sounds awful.
Also, how´s that M3 working out? That's a great choice for an only car. Loved one I drove recently.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 03, 2017, 07:48:24 PM
Maintenance alone makes multiple cars a pain. Seems like everything breaks or comes due at the same time
Depends on whether you drive them all equally. If you drive them all the same amount each week, then yes, you'll come due for all of the same maintenance at around the same time. If one is your primary daily and the others are special occasion cars, not so much.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 03, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
Also, how´s that M3 working out? That's a great choice for an only car. Loved one I drove recently.
I still like it a lot, wish I got more opportunity to really enjoy driving it though (driving kinda sucks here w/ all the traffic). It is definitely practical for the performance though, it's a good compromise.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 03, 2017, 07:48:24 PM
Maintenance alone makes multiple cars a pain. Seems like everything breaks or comes due at the same time
lolwut
Multiple cars literally cannot be worse than a single car in that regard. You have one car and it needs work? You're now out of cars. At least with multiple there's an honestly pretty good chance that one of them is functional, unless they're like all project cars.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 03, 2017, 08:00:40 PM
Never heard a kid say maintenance alone makes multiple toys a pain. My car buying part is my forever a kid part.
Kids toss toys as soon as they break, maintenance is not an issue
Dont get me wrong, the idea of driving a shit load of different cars is appealing as fuck, and if I had the money I'd love to do something like Manhattan Car Club (http://classiccarclubmanhattan.com/fleet/).... but the idea of owning a whole bunch of cars is a PITA. Then again both of my cars just gave up the ghost so I might be temporarily turned off.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 06, 2017, 06:37:42 PM
Kids toss toys as soon as they break, maintenance is not an issue
Dont get me wrong, the idea of driving a shit load of different cars is appealing as fuck, and if I had the money I'd love to do something like Manhattan Car Club (http://classiccarclubmanhattan.com/fleet/).... but the idea of owning a whole bunch of cars is a PITA. Then again both of my cars just gave up the ghost so I might be temporarily turned off.
One import and one Euro. Time to try a domestic.
Since my current mileage is very low, the cars need maintenance once a year only, and recently not much more than an oil change.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 06, 2017, 06:37:42 PM
Kids toss toys as soon as they break, maintenance is not an issue
Dont get me wrong, the idea of driving a shit load of different cars is appealing as fuck, and if I had the money I'd love to do something like Manhattan Car Club (http://classiccarclubmanhattan.com/fleet/).... but the idea of owning a whole bunch of cars is a PITA. Then again both of my cars just gave up the ghost so I might be temporarily turned off.
Book by Cadillac is a start
Quote from: 68_427 on April 06, 2017, 10:13:56 PM
Book by Cadillac is a start
I want a much cheaper version of Book by Cadillac. Give me a Lexus version of it.
Quote from: MrH on April 06, 2017, 10:15:49 PM
I want a much cheaper version of Book by Cadillac. Give me a Lexus version of it.
But then you'll be stuck with Lexuses.
Quote from: Raza on April 06, 2017, 10:40:23 PM
But then you'll be stuck with Lexuses.
Not a bad thing at all
Quote from: MrH on April 06, 2017, 10:15:49 PM
I want a much cheaper version of Book by Cadillac. Give me a Lexus version of it.
Or a version with CPO/used cars. If a rental car can have thousands of miles on it then so can these things.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 07, 2017, 06:53:27 AM
Or a version with CPO/used cars. If a rental car can have thousands of miles on it then so can these things.
Well, the Book by Cadillac cars are largely "used". If you get a Cadillac, drive it for 1,000 miles, then swap it for another model, they don't immediately put it to auction. It goes back into the Book fleet. Why would you want the fleet supplied with used cars? That seems like an awful idea.
Quote from: MrH on April 07, 2017, 09:11:31 AM
Well, the Book by Cadillac cars are largely "used". If you get a Cadillac, drive it for 1,000 miles, then swap it for another model, they don't immediately put it to auction. It goes back into the Book fleet. Why would you want the fleet supplied with used cars? That seems like an awful idea.
Because it'd presumably be cheaper, and if they're CPO certified, they should be in fine working order. Anything that's been well maintained and has less than like 30k miles is basically "like-new" anyway.
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 06, 2017, 06:49:27 PM
One import and one Euro. Time to try a domestic.
Unless you're in Europe, aren't those two of the same thing? And if you are, doesn't that make it a domestic?
Quote from: BimmerM3 on April 07, 2017, 10:32:50 AM
Because it'd presumably be cheaper, and if they're CPO certified, they should be in fine working order. Anything that's been well maintained and has less than like 30k miles is basically "like-new" anyway.
Yea, it would be literally no different than driving a loaner or rental car, except maybe with more miles. They could do a tiered thing for people who aren't as persnickety about mileage.
I don't think it makes sense to do it with "CPO" cars. The whole point of a CPO vehicle is to give the BUYER more confidence in their purchase decision over the next few years, not eh next two weeks till you want something else. If you want to rent cars that aren't exactly brand new then just rent one, or go test drive a car at CarMax every day.
If you're too cheap for this service with new cars then you're too cheap. Deal with it :lol:
These programs are meant to be high margin and drive quality CPO vehicles to dealers too. By starting with used vehicles to begin with, you're making this more difficult to manage from an upkeep stand point, you're going to dealing with much smaller margins, and you'll have no consistency in what you're offering.
If they did this for as cheap as possible with CPO vehicles, I wouldn't be interested.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 29, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
Can't see myself in an Audi.
I think you might like the way it drives.
What about an M5?
I think that for a lot of driving, you need a comfortable car. That may rule out the Porsche, which could be more cramped and harder to get into and out of.
I went looking today at the Infiniti dealer and test drove a Q50. This is because I am intrigued by the Q60 Sport that will be available here soon.
I did a relatively long test drive along with my dad and the sales guy. I liked the car. Yes, the steering is like a video game but other than that the car was very nice and it comes loaded, including the active driver aids for tens of thousands less than the Germans.
The car I drove was a 3.7 N/A V6. The 400 is a 3.5 turbo. Overall I was impressed by the refinement and value for money.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 09, 2017, 08:37:05 PM
I went looking today at the Infiniti dealer and test drove a Q50. This is because I am intrigued by the Q60 Sport that will be available here soon.
I did a relatively long test drive along with my dad and the sales guy. I liked the car. Yes, the steering is like a video game but other than that the car was very nice and it comes loaded, including the active driver aids for tens of thousands less than the Germans.
The car I drove was a 3.7 N/A V6. The 400 is a 3.5 turbo. Overall I was impressed by the refinement and value for money.
Can you get the car without the steer by wire there?
Quote from: 68_427 on April 09, 2017, 09:35:55 PM
Can you get the car without the steer by wire there?
No.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 09, 2017, 09:57:53 PM
No.
Wow that's unfortunate. I've not heard from one person who thought the SBW was a viable option after also driving one without it.
400 is a 3.0 turbo but yes it delivers a lot of value for the money. Still undertired and too softly sprung but that's easily fixed
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 10, 2017, 06:21:37 AM
400 is a 3.0 turbo but yes it delivers a lot of value for the money. Still undertired and too softly sprung but that's easily fixed
I thought the ride and handling on the Q50 I drove was just right for GT use. I already have other cars for sports driving.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 10, 2017, 09:27:54 AM
I thought the ride and handling on the Q50 I drove was just right for GT use. I already have other cars for sports driving.
(https://i.imgflip.com/1mqhpd.jpg)
This is the new Carspin meme. I approve.
Quote from: MrH on April 10, 2017, 09:32:52 AM
This is the new Carspin meme. I approve.
That was the goal! Eventually, I want it added as a one-click addition, like a smiley.
Quote from: Raza on April 10, 2017, 09:36:24 AM
That was the goal! Eventually, I want it added as a one-click addition, like a smiley.
:lol:
"Coilover ALL OF THE THINGS", Sporty
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 10, 2017, 10:07:53 AM
"Coilover ALL OF THE THINGS", Sporty
I'm struggling to see why this is a meme. It's a good idea. I have the shock dynos to prove it.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 10, 2017, 11:11:53 AM
I'm struggling to see why this is a meme. It's a good idea. I have the shock dynos to prove it.
Good. Gotta keep the Uber passengers happy
I also put coilovers on a boring midsized and it's 10x better.
So I agree with coilovers all the things
I think I'd prefer bags + adjustable shocks. But $$