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No idea which one I'd take. Probably the Lamborghini as it sounds like the more emotional machine. I'm sure the GT2 RS would put a hurt on it in a straight line, and possibly be quicker in the hands of only a few, but the Lambo sounds more user friendly and thus is probably more enjoyable on the road as well.
TL;DR?
Quote from: BimmerM3 on June 14, 2017, 10:14:09 PM
TL;DR?
It's not an actual direct comparison. Just asking which y'all like better. Two different path to the same destination.
GT2 RS for me most likely. Don't like turbos but seems Porsche has its act together when it comes to hi-po machines, and Lambos are more for stats and show.
Plus, I really like it when mags have summary tables of stats. Euro mags don't seem to do this and it drives me nuts.
The Porsche is the real deal. The Lambo is the equivalent of a pair of fake boobs on a stripper.
Lambo. Looks way better and I'm assuming sounds way better too.
The Lambo is the real deal. The Porsche is the equivalent of a pair of fake boobs on a stripper.
Quote from: Rockraven on June 15, 2017, 09:10:14 AM
The Lambo is the real deal. The Porsche is the equivalent of a pair of fake boobs on a stripper.
Nah, after 1 or 2 rides in the Lambo all of its real world issues will force you to run away.
Quote from: r0tor on June 15, 2017, 10:52:26 AM
Nah, after 1 or 2 rides in the Lambo all of its real world issues will force you to run away.
What issues?
Quote from: Rockraven on June 15, 2017, 09:10:14 AM
The Lambo is the real deal. The Porsche is the equivalent of a pair of fake boobs on a stripper.
Porsche's racing legacy is infinitely beyond Lamborghini's, and the GT2 dates back ~25 years. If there's a poser here, it'll never be Porsche.
Porsche seems to mature and adult-like when placed next to a Lamborghini (or similar).
I am bummed that the GT2 RS is pdk...
Quote from: Cookie Monster on June 15, 2017, 06:48:02 PM
I am bummed that the GT2 RS is pdk...
~4.0L and ~650 hp is gonna be a lot of lag, and current anti-lag systems, like that in the Ford GT, need control over shifting.
My vote is for the GT2 RS. Lambos aren't for me.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 16, 2017, 12:01:58 AM
~4.0L and ~650 hp is gonna be a lot of lag, and current anti-lag systems, like that in the Ford GT, need control over shifting.
Porsche's anti-lag system simply holds the throttle plate open so that the engine keeps pumping air (and therefore air is still moving through the turbine) even when the accelerator pedal is released. This system would work fine with a regular MT. Anti-lag also isn't designed just to prevent lag between shifts. It prevents lag any time the driver lets off of the accelerator and then gets on it again, which includes constant-gear scenarios (meaning that the system must inherently be independent of the transmission).
This, like the Ford GT, is clutchless because that will net the best performance and because it's such a low volume, niche product that it doesn't make sense to invest in offering/building it with more than one transmission, particularly since the majority of buyers will opt for the one without the clutch pedal anyway.
I always thought the GT2 was less about outright performance and track times and more about trying to kill you. Weren't the older ones considered to be widowmakers?
Something batshit crazy that takes 110% of your focus and skill seems more fitting to the GT2 name and a manual would suit that a lot better IMO.
Quote from: MX793 on June 16, 2017, 10:51:36 AM
Porsche's anti-lag system simply holds the throttle plate open so that the engine keeps pumping air (and therefore air is still moving through the turbine) even when the accelerator pedal is released. This system would work fine with a regular MT. Anti-lag also isn't designed just to prevent lag between shifts. It prevents lag any time the driver lets off of the accelerator and then gets on it again, which includes constant-gear scenarios (meaning that the system must inherently be independent of the transmission).
This, like the Ford GT, is clutchless because that will net the best performance and because it's such a low volume, niche product that it doesn't make sense to invest in offering/building it with more than one transmission, particularly since the majority of buyers will opt for the one without the clutch pedal anyway.
Antilag would never work with M/T (or at least not be worth it), and thus why Porsche doesn't do it. The ECU needs control over shifting (and knowledge of what shift is coming) to make it effective.
This and the Ford GT and any other ultra-po turbo car is DSG because M/T and big boost = lots of lag and hi-po car design is integrated so as to be virtually impossible to provide an F488 or 570S or 911TT or GTR or NSX or the like with M/T as they'd be fundamentally different cars.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 16, 2017, 12:43:08 PM
Antilag would never work with M/T (or at least not be worth it)
Explain.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on June 16, 2017, 12:00:26 PM
I always thought the GT2 was less about outright performance and track times and more about trying to kill you. Weren't the older ones considered to be widowmakers?
Something batshit crazy that takes 110% of your focus and skill seems more fitting to the GT2 name and a manual would suit that a lot better IMO.
The head of the GT program has stated that the RS cars are about out right track speed. Hence the PDK only in the GT2/3 RS
Quote from: GoCougs on June 14, 2017, 11:19:02 PM
GT2 RS for me most likely. Don't like turbos but seems Porsche has its act together when it comes to hi-po machines, and Lambos are more for stats and show.
Plus, I really like it when mags have summary tables of stats. Euro mags don't seem to do this and it drives me nuts.
Lambos for stats and show? And a ~700HP DCT 911 isn't :confused:
I like the V10 tone and the active aero is a cool trick. I imagine the Lambo will have better throttle response and weighs less too. No brainer for me.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 16, 2017, 12:43:08 PM
Antilag would never work with M/T (or at least not be worth it)
Then why have WRC cars
with manual transmissions been using it for over 20 years :confused:
Why would an automatic/DCT car need an anti-lag system more than a manual one? There's little to no interruption of power; the turbo stays spooled as long as you're in WOT :wtf:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 16, 2017, 04:20:24 PM
Lambos for stats and show? And a ~700HP DCT 911 isn't :confused:
I like the V10 tone and the active aero is a cool trick. I imagine the Lambo will have better throttle response and weighs less too.
Nah the Lambo will be 3400lbs probably
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 16, 2017, 04:20:24 PM
Lambos for stats and show? And a ~700HP DCT 911 isn't :confused:
Every time I see a Lambo owner try to park their car, it always involves at least 1 spotter and shit tons of drama... The cars are completely for show and posters
Quote from: r0tor on June 18, 2017, 03:14:50 PM
Every time I see a Lambo owner try to park their car, it always involves at least 1 spotter and shit tons of drama... The cars are completely for show and posters
There are that many Lambos in Middle Of Nowhere, PA? :confused:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 18, 2017, 03:49:57 PM
There are that many Lambos in Middle Of Nowhere, PA? :confused:
No, just one. Driven by somebody who can't park.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 18, 2017, 03:49:57 PM
There are that many Lambos in Middle Of Nowhere, PA? :confused:
A few come out to Cars and Coffee and look like idiots. Saw a new hurrican yesterday at a dunkin donuts. Watched him amazingly reverse into a parking spot, only to park about 4 feet to shallow and let his car hang out into the parking lot...
One dude in an Aventador at at cars and coffee literally took 15 min to back into a space and had about 10 people guiding him and keeping people back. Total cluster fuck. Meanwhile, 20 feet away a dude pulls in with a GT3RS, easily parks like its an average grocery getter, and him and his kid pop out and enjoy the show while the Lambo douche was still trying to park.
Lambo for me. To hell with the numbers! When a fine honey finds out I drive a Lamborghini the panties will fall quicker............
I'd have to take the GT2
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on June 18, 2017, 08:03:24 PM
Lambo for me. To hell with the numbers! When a fine honey finds out I drive a Lamborghini the panties will fall quicker............
Your honesty is appreciated :lol:
Quote from: r0tor on June 18, 2017, 07:56:22 PM
A few come out to Cars and Coffee and look like idiots. Saw a new hurrican yesterday at a dunkin donuts. Watched him amazingly reverse into a parking spot, only to park about 4 feet to shallow and let his car hang out into the parking lot...
One dude in an Aventador at at cars and coffee literally took 15 min to back into a space and had about 10 people guiding him and keeping people back. Total cluster fuck. Meanwhile, 20 feet away a dude pulls in with a GT3RS, easily parks like its an average grocery getter, and him and his kid pop out and enjoy the show while the Lambo douche was still trying to park.
My gut feeling is jealousy.... 10 people would not help you park your RX-8.... but I could be wrong.
Lambos are events for people.... I don't see the harm in this spectacle as long as it's not hurting anybody.
I don't need people to help me park - Or want any. Lambo owners in general look absolutely ridiculous trying to perform basic real world driving tasks like parking your car.
911s don't require that attention. They are meant to actually be driven. Lambos are meant to be looked at.
Yea, this thing with its 1st ever aero vectoring and sub 7 ring time.... def nothing but useless eye candy
https://youtu.be/gIYqZitiryM
Quote from: r0tor on June 19, 2017, 09:23:03 AM
I don't need people to help me park - Or want any. Lambo owners in general look absolutely ridiculous trying to perform basic real world driving tasks like parking your car.
911s don't require that attention. They are meant to actually be driven. Lambos are meant to be looked at.
You should come to Philadelphia more often. The Lamborghini drivers here don't need help parking.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 19, 2017, 06:24:37 AM
Your honesty is appreciated :lol:
:cheers:
Quote from: Raza on June 19, 2017, 03:33:58 PM
You should come to Philadelphia more often. The Lamborghini drivers here don't need help parking.
Here either! He's bugging.....
This is always entertaining
https://youtu.be/cUnhifscE5U
So, you need to be rich and short to own/drive a Lambo.
Quote from: r0tor on June 19, 2017, 04:00:43 PM
This is always entertaining
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So now The Spin is judging performance cars on hard they are to park........... :facepalm:
More like how hard they are to get into.
Again....... :facepalm: So lets throw away all cars that aren't shaped like a 911! :nutty:
Quote from: r0tor on June 19, 2017, 04:00:43 PM
This is always entertaining
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Sometimes if I'm on trail and need to back my truck up over something tricky, opening the door and peeking outside is the best way to get good visibility. That or putting the tailgate down. :huh: :lol:
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on June 19, 2017, 04:33:06 PM
So now The Spin is judging performance cars on hard they are to park........... :facepalm:
panties might drop when they see the lambo... but then will get pulled right back up and laugh hysterically at you when you try to get in or park
Quote from: r0tor on June 19, 2017, 04:00:43 PM
This is always entertaining
https://youtu.be/cUnhifscE5U
I thought you hated watching them park. Lambo owners have you short circuiting :lol:
Guy on my other forum just took his Performante to Sonoma so here's in amateur/pro-am(?) review.
"Took the car to Sonoma yesterday (before the fires destroyed Napa and Sonoma. Well, still destroying as I type, it's only 5% contained), and had a great day with the Performante. I got up to speed very quickly, it's super fast, and well-balanced in a way I didn't think Lambo could do. I was mainly playing with the 720S, and that car is faster on the straights, it just flies. But Sears Point is a technical track with only one real straight, the rest are undulating and serpentine turns of varying radii, so whatever time the 720S gained on the straight was lost thru turns, for an even balance. Great fun dicing it up!
The Performante is a hugely significant step from the Huracan, even the UI. It still has its problems, but with just a few small changes is not only tolerable but inoffensive and even logical. For example, the 3 driving modes are so distinct from each other now wrt dash display, exhaust note, shifting pattern, comfort, cabin noise level, that I don't mind leaving Strada in the Combo mode in which the Radio or/Nav shows alongside the tach. It makes sense in a comfy mode to have all the amenities available. Sport mode should be called Ego, because it's unabashedly about tickling your senses and pushing the 12yo in you buttons. It makes lots of cool exhaust noises, pointlessly shifts down each gear as you come to a stop just so it can burble and crackle, holds onto gears far longer, and is still pretty comfortable. It's as if the Strada mode is for city driving (quiet and relaxed, crank your tunes), and Sport is for a country drive, lots of noise and pomp, but still comfortable. Then there's Corsa, in which the entire dash changes to a horizontal arc tach, and no amount of Radio/Navi button pressing will change that display, good thing. It's still usable on the road, but is made for a track.
The suspension is surprisingly adaptive, I'm guessing the much-touted magnetorheological dampers are responsible for this behavior. It really does have 3 modes from City to Country to Track, and it works on all of them. The 580 did not, it's conventionally stiffened dampers were not as well-developed, to be fair a much cheaper solution.
Also interesting is this car's Dynamic Steering. Usually I think such systems are pointless and numbing, but this one isn't. It's supposed to vary the steering feel so that on a Track the feedback is consistent, and it just works without robbing the steering of feel. The 4wd robs some feel, but adds stability, although in fast corners in which the front end gets unweighted I could feel "something funny going on" up front as the tires and electronics were trying to find traction. It didn't feel like a conventional 2wd with which I have full control over steering, and how much lock to apply, but more like what I imagine a GTR to feel like on track: turn the wheel and let the car figure it out.
I'm very impressed, and for now I'd have to say that Lamborghini seems to have hit one out of the park with the Performante. It's worlds better than the 488, and more pleasing to the ears. It certainly garners 10x the attention. The 488 Scud version had better be much better than the ho-hum Speciale if they are to compete."
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Now we all know that for absolute speed the GT2 is faster, but this cars sounds very approachable and emotional.
Let me ask the obvious dumb question here; don't Lambos have rear view cameras?
Quote from: mzziaz on October 11, 2017, 04:49:09 AM
Let me ask the obvious dumb question here; don't Lambos have rear view cameras?
It's a $6K option on the Huracan
Quote from: 68_427 on October 11, 2017, 05:01:45 AM
It's a $6K option on the Huracan
I can't tell if you're joking. Please tell me you're joking as we all know it's the same camera they give you for free on a Golf that doesn't even need it
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 11, 2017, 05:52:36 AM
I can't tell if you're joking. Please tell me you're joking as we all know it's the same camera they give you for free on a Golf that doesn't even need it
Not joking. Parking sensors, and parking sensors + camera are both optional packages.
Anyone mention here the GT2RS reset the 'Ring production car record?