Lol, the center screen goes plaid under full acceleration. :clap:
(https://i.imgur.com/DdLSam9.jpg)
If they can deliver on the promises, this is a pretty cool car.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 17, 2017, 10:35:50 AM
If they can deliver on the promises, this is a pretty cool car.
Pretty much Tesla's whole story. Expect this car to launch 5 years late, 100K more expensive, and still need 6 patches before doing half of what it promises.
Curious to see how they got 200kw battery on this car.
It's an attractive car, but it looks like a sports coupe in the $30k range, like if Mitsubishi made a new Eclipse. Definitely not a 250 mph electric exotic.
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/technology/2017/11/17/tesla-roadster_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqRno0wBcbj8R7Bar7Q2cKrBKi2sT3vi7ux2-RDZwC4QA.jpg?imwidth=480)
Looks better than McLarens, which are jumbles of strakes and vents.
Quote from: Laconian on November 17, 2017, 10:44:28 AM
Looks better than McLarens, which are jumbles of strakes and vents.
But at least I know the McLaren has an F1 engineering team behind it.
All the specs sound GREAT.... but my question is, can it make it ONE LAP around a racetrack?
600 mile range sounds awesome.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 17, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
All the specs sound GREAT.... but my question is, can it make it ONE LAP around a racetrack?
It'll probably go limp at the end of the first straight and run at like 25% power.
I don't get the hype. It's just a bunch of numbers without a soul.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 17, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
I don't get the hype. It's just a bunch of numbers without a soul.
Yup. $250k.
Would make a lot more sense to put this giant, 600-mile range battery system into something economical to sell to the masses. But what do I know.
Couple things
- it's very attractive, but looks too pedestrian. Like rockraven said, it looks like an Eclipse.
- 200kw/h? How? Tesla has said that length of the cars has limited the Model3 and Model S from having bigger batteries. How does this little car have 200kw/h?
- shouldn't they focus on getting the model 3 out?
- 250MPH sounds fake
I am mostly a Musk fan and Tesla admirer, having loved my friend's P90D.
But....even I am starting to doubt Elon's ability to deliver on all these promises enough to keep the company afloat. He's sorta trying to crowdfund a car company with all the reservations and deposits.
As a customer, I am not very happy with my undelivered, no information at all battery reservation.
If they really achieve those numbers for 200k, I'll buy one.
Quote from: 565 on November 17, 2017, 06:45:22 PM
If they really achieve those numbers for 200k, I'll buy one.
Quoted for authentication at a later date.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 17, 2017, 06:47:30 PM
Quoted for authentication at a later date.
Lol pressure on.
Quote from: 565 on November 17, 2017, 06:45:22 PM
If they really achieve those numbers for 200k, I'll buy one.
Brings a tear to my, the passing of the TTB mantle since it was left unattended a few weeks back...
Quote from: Xer0 on November 17, 2017, 12:47:45 PM
It'll probably go limp at the end of the first straight and run at like 25% power.
Thing is a 500-600 hp electric motor of any flavor, rated for continuous use, is huge and weighs many thousands of pounds - it needs all that metal and surface area to dissipate heat. Forced air cooling brings size/weight down a decent amount. Liquid cooling can bring it down substantially. The Tesla semi will need such a thing for the semi in the off chance it ever sees the light of day - not sure if the roadster has the room. If not, it'll be a two-minute pig-in-a-poke that the Model S is.
Quote from: GoCougs on November 17, 2017, 07:00:28 PM
Thing is a 500-600 hp electric motor of any flavor, rated for continuous use, is huge and weighs many thousands of pounds - it needs all that metal and surface area to dissipate heat. Forced air cooling brings size/weight down a decent amount. Liquid cooling can bring it down substantially. The Tesla semi will need such a thing for the semi in the off chance it ever sees the light of day - not sure if the roadster has the room. If not, it'll be a two-minute pig-in-a-poke that the Model S is.
The Roadster has 3 motors, and the truck probably has 4.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 17, 2017, 08:11:01 PM
The Roadster has 3 motors, and the truck probably has 4.
One would still be looking at about the same total size/mass (or, cooling requirements), just split up into three different units.
http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/loblaw-says-it-ordered-25-tesla-electric-trucks-wants-fully-electric-fleet-by-2030 (http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/loblaw-says-it-ordered-25-tesla-electric-trucks-wants-fully-electric-fleet-by-2030)
Loblaw says it ordered 25 Tesla electric trucks, wants fully electric fleet by 2030
Loblaw Companies Ltd. says it is among the first purchasers of Tesla's new electric truck.
Canada's largest supermarket chain (TSX:L) says it has pre-ordered 25 of the vehicles called the Tesla Semi.
"It's part of our commitment to electrify our fleet," spokeswoman Catherine Thomas said.
Earlier this month, Loblaw committed to have a fully electric fleet as part of the company's commitment to reduce its carbon footprint by 2030.
That would involve adding 350 zero-emission vehicles and more than 2,500 trailers to the fleet.
The Ontario-based grocer said removing diesel from its transport trucks and refrigerated trailers could reduce more than 94,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions annually, the equivalent of removing more than 20,000 cars from the road.
By 2030, Loblaw expects to have reduced emissions from electricity use by 35 per cent, transportation by 25 per cent, and refrigerants by 50 per cent.
First deliveries of the Tesla trucks are expected in 2019.
No price for the trucks was provided, but reservations for the Tesla Semi cost US$5,000 per truck.
Wal-Mart says it has also pre-ordered 15 vehicles, including 10 for its Canadian routes.
"We have a long history of testing new technology — including alternative-fuel trucks — and we are excited to be among the first to pilot this new heavy-duty electric vehicle," Wal-Mart spokesman Ryan Curell wrote in an email.
"We believe we can learn how this technology performs within our supply chain, as well as how it could help us meet some of our long-term sustainability goals, such as lowering emissions."
Tesla declined to identify any other Canadian buyers for the truck that it says can go from zero to 100 kph in five seconds without a trailer, compared to 15 seconds for a comparable diesel truck.
It says the Tesla Semi requires no shifting for smooth acceleration and its brakes recover 98 per cent of kinetic energy to the battery.
"Overall, the Semi is more responsive, covers more miles than a diesel truck in the same amount of time, and more safely integrates with passenger car traffic," it said on the company's website.
Tesla says that a fully loaded Semi consumes less than two kilowatt-hours of energy per mile and has a range of about 800 kilometres. That could save owners at least US$200,000 in fuel costs over 1.6 million km.
"Covers more miles in the same amount of time?"
How does that work? Truckers are almost always up against the speed limit or their own truck's speed limiter; and their hours of service are limited by law.
How the hell does making the truck electric make it faster?
And honestly; what asshole in their right mind wants a truck weighing 20,000 lbs empty to do 0-60 in 5 seconds?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 18, 2017, 08:52:40 AM
And honestly; what asshole in their right mind wants a truck weighing 20,000 lbs empty to do 0-60 in 5 seconds?
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fd/9e/73/fd9e7314fa63ee24088878488a692166--jerry-reed-jerry-oconnell.jpg)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 18, 2017, 08:52:40 AM
"Covers more miles in the same amount of time?"
How does that work? Truckers are almost always up against the speed limit or their own truck's speed limiter; and their hours of service are limited by law.
How the hell does making the truck electric make it faster?
And honestly; what asshole in their right mind wants a truck weighing 20,000 lbs empty to do 0-60 in 5 seconds?
That faster acceleration will shave whole minutes off of a trip. MINUTES!
Tesla clearly has little idea of the duty cycle of a typical long-haul rig. They do very little stop and go out on the highway, meaning that there will be little regenerative braking unless they are in a hilly area with a lot of downhills. Something like a local delivery truck/van (like a Sprinter or UPS van) would be far better suited to all-electric.
What's the range with a reefer trailer? :hmm:
Quote from: Rockraven on November 18, 2017, 09:38:15 AM
What's the range with a reefer trailer? :hmm:
And would the refrigerator unit be electric as well, or diesel powered?
Quote from: MX793 on November 18, 2017, 09:39:17 AM
And would the refrigerator unit be electric as well, or diesel powered?
I thought they ran off a generator which ran off the engine?
OK, back to the Roadster - how on earth will this be reasonably safe at 250MPH? I can't picture aero being ideal for stability for this car.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 18, 2017, 09:44:23 AM
OK, back to the Roadster - how on earth will this be reasonably safe at 250MPH? I can't picture aero being ideal for stability for this car.
2000 lb battery pack is its downforce.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 18, 2017, 09:41:29 AM
I thought they ran off a generator which ran off the engine?
Most have their own diesel generator.
Quote from: MX793 on November 18, 2017, 09:36:55 AM
Tesla clearly has little idea of the duty cycle of a typical long-haul rig. They do very little stop and go out on the highway, meaning that there will be little regenerative braking unless they are in a hilly area with a lot of downhills. Something like a local delivery truck/van (like a Sprinter or UPS van) would be far better suited to all-electric.
I've long said postal vans should be electric. It would be a huge contract to get too.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 18, 2017, 09:41:29 AM
I thought they ran off a generator which ran off the engine?
Some do, some don't. Diesel/electric hybrid reefer units for over the road tractor trailers are relatively new (I think Carrier introduced their's within the past 10 years or so) and wholly mechanical units are still being sold. Most of what you see on the highway are likely older, entirely mechanical refrigeration units. And the ones that do use electric compressors still have an onboard diesel engine to drive the generator (so that product can remain refrigerated while the trailer is sitting in a yard, detached from the truck or when the truck is parked for the night at a rest stop).
Quote from: Rockraven on November 18, 2017, 09:48:45 AM
2000 lb battery pack is its downforce.
1. Downforce is only a small part of the aero package needed to go 250+
2. Too much downforce hurts top speed performance
3. Weight is not the same as downforce, added lbs have many other effects as well
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 18, 2017, 08:52:40 AM
"Covers more miles in the same amount of time?"
How does that work? Truckers are almost always up against the speed limit or their own truck's speed limiter; and their hours of service are limited by law.
How the hell does making the truck electric make it faster?
And honestly; what asshole in their right mind wants a truck weighing 20,000 lbs empty to do 0-60 in 5 seconds?
Furreal.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 18, 2017, 09:57:46 AM
No.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 18, 2017, 10:28:12 AM
Downforce is only a small part of the aero package needed to go 250+.
Ok, we're long overdue for a sarcasm smiley. Jesus.
Quote from: MX793 on November 18, 2017, 09:36:55 AM
Tesla clearly has little idea of the duty cycle of a typical long-haul rig. They do very little stop and go out on the highway, meaning that there will be little regenerative braking unless they are in a hilly area with a lot of downhills. Something like a local delivery truck/van (like a Sprinter or UPS van) would be far better suited to all-electric.
Cummins' electric model will be for around-town hauls. Makes a lot more sense IMO. It can come home every night and charge.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 18, 2017, 10:09:56 AM
I've long said postal vans should be electric. It would be a huge contract to get too.
https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-secret-new-electric-u-s-postal-service-truck-1819339421 (https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-secret-new-electric-u-s-postal-service-truck-1819339421)
I recall when milk delivery trucks were electric; a bunch of car batteries. This goes back to the '50s. I also remember when they were motivated by horses.
School busses. They typically do under 20 miles a day with lots of stops.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 18, 2017, 10:28:12 AM
1. Downforce is only a small part of the aero package needed to go 250+
2. Too much downforce hurts top speed performance
3. Weight is not the same as downforce, added lbs have many other effects as well
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/992/402/c35.gif)
Sidebar, R35 GT-R engineer seriously tried to pass off its BMW X3 curb weight as "downforce". I wish I was kidding.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-25/elon-musk-lied-about-performance-targets-new-tesla-roadster-semi-truck
I just wish Tesla wasn't so full of shit. They'd have a lot more fans if they were just straight-up instead of doing all this vaporware deposit fundraising bullshit.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 26, 2017, 11:19:25 AM
I just wish Tesla wasn't so full of shit. They'd have a lot more fans if they were just straight-up instead of doing all this vaporware deposit fundraising bullshit.
Not sure about that; GM is playing it straight, and delivering on what they promise; and nobody really cares.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 26, 2017, 11:19:25 AM
I just wish Tesla wasn't so full of shit. They'd have a lot more fans if they were just straight-up instead of doing all this vaporware deposit fundraising bullshit.
Read an article in which somebody did the math and found that at their current burn rate, unless Tesla can raise significantly more capital (like, by selling pre-orders for electric trucks and roadsters, or actually start building and selling Model 3s en mass), they will be complete broke within the next 12 months.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 26, 2017, 11:24:13 AM
Not sure about that; GM is playing it straight, and delivering on what they promise; and nobody really cares.
Sure, but GM sells more cars in a month than Tesla has sold in its entire existence. Surviving on deposits and BS hype cycles can't and won't last forever in the automotive space.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 26, 2017, 11:24:13 AM
Not sure about that; GM is playing it straight, and delivering on what they promise; and nobody really cares.
Shiny new objects.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 18, 2017, 10:09:56 AM
I've long said postal vans should be electric. It would be a huge contract to get too.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 18, 2017, 10:53:10 AM
https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-secret-new-electric-u-s-postal-service-truck-1819339421 (https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-secret-new-electric-u-s-postal-service-truck-1819339421)
I recall when milk delivery trucks were electric; a bunch of car batteries. This goes back to the '50s. I also remember when they were motivated by horses.
The car industry has really dropped the ball here. The German post office was forced to build its own electric delivery vehicle, well actually they bought a startup firm. They now also sell this car to other customers.
(https://www.heise.de/autos/imgs/14/2/2/8/0/1/6/9/StreetScooter2016-03-c5cfbcdb83ef16d5-a87fac0cb92f915e-4de36ade5f8fa4ea.jpeg)
(https://heise.cloudimg.io/width/700/q75.webp-lossy-75.foil1/_www-heise-de_/imgs/18/1/8/7/6/2/7/0/streetscooter-seitenansicht-15934ccb9457bac8-34b51fc26c1870a0.jpeg)
Well, perhaps the postal industry has always been difficult for car companies. UPS of course also built it's own vehicle.
There is also a british company called Arrival which is building an electric delivery vehicle.
(https://res.cloudinary.com/jpress/image/fetch/w_700,f_auto,ar_3:2,c_fill/http://www.banburyguardian.co.uk/webimage/1.8117242.1503504083!/image/image.png)
(http://static2.uk.businessinsider.com/image/599d4cb1f3522729008b4648-1167/royal-mail-arrival-truck-image-2-2-599d40a15fe37-599d40d017ecb.jpg)
As for Tesla, the Roadster
is a sharp looking little thing. What I also found interesting, which has not been talked about much, is the picture they showed of a potential Tesla pickup truck.
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XHM_NLKj--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/wtshbl1r7bylfvnd4bcu.jpg)
I think it looks gorgeous, not sure the F, Ram, Silverado crowd would like that though.
Quote from: Galaxy on November 26, 2017, 12:11:28 PM
As for Tesla, the Roadster is a sharp looking little thing. What I also found interesting, which has not been talked about much, is the picture they showed of a potential Tesla pickup truck.
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XHM_NLKj--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/wtshbl1r7bylfvnd4bcu.jpg)
I think it looks gorgeous, not sure the F, Ram, Silverado crowd would like that though.
Except nobody is cross shopping an F-series with a truck that can fit an F-series in its bed... lol
That's more like one of these...
(https://thefuntimesguide.com/images/blogs/randy_international_cxt_truck.jpg)
Quote from: Galaxy on November 26, 2017, 12:11:28 PM
The car industry has really dropped the ball here. The German post office was forced to build its own electric delivery vehicle, well actually they bought a startup firm. They now also sell this car to other customers.
(https://www.heise.de/autos/imgs/14/2/2/8/0/1/6/9/StreetScooter2016-03-c5cfbcdb83ef16d5-a87fac0cb92f915e-4de36ade5f8fa4ea.jpeg)
(https://heise.cloudimg.io/width/700/q75.webp-lossy-75.foil1/_www-heise-de_/imgs/18/1/8/7/6/2/7/0/streetscooter-seitenansicht-15934ccb9457bac8-34b51fc26c1870a0.jpeg)
Well, perhaps the postal industry has always been difficult for car companies. UPS of course also built it's own vehicle.
There is also a british company called Arrival which is building an electric delivery vehicle.
(https://res.cloudinary.com/jpress/image/fetch/w_700,f_auto,ar_3:2,c_fill/http://www.banburyguardian.co.uk/webimage/1.8117242.1503504083!/image/image.png)
(http://static2.uk.businessinsider.com/image/599d4cb1f3522729008b4648-1167/royal-mail-arrival-truck-image-2-2-599d40a15fe37-599d40d017ecb.jpg)
As for Tesla, the Roadster is a sharp looking little thing. What I also found interesting, which has not been talked about much, is the picture they showed of a potential Tesla pickup truck.
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XHM_NLKj--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/wtshbl1r7bylfvnd4bcu.jpg)
I think it looks gorgeous, not sure the F, Ram, Silverado crowd would like that though.
UPS contracted their vehicles, they don't actually build them.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 26, 2017, 04:30:04 PM
UPS contracted their vehicles, they don't actually build them.
Okay, but they were built to their spec. One would think the car industry would have had something in petto considering the volume. How many thousands did UPS buy? They where not just used in N. America, they also deployed them in Europe.
Quote from: MX793 on November 26, 2017, 11:25:30 AM
Read an article in which somebody did the math and found that at their current burn rate, unless Tesla can raise significantly more capital (like, by selling pre-orders for electric trucks and roadsters, or actually start building and selling Model 3s en mass), they will be complete broke within the next 12 months.
Yeah, the rate they're going through money right now is incredible. The infiniti world take over is nigh. Tesla will crash and burn. Some OEM will buy them up for cheap, and then the process will start.
Quote from: MrH on November 26, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
Yeah, the rate they're going through money right now is incredible. The infiniti world take over is nigh. Tesla will crash and burn. Some OEM will buy them up for cheap, and then the process will start.
+1
Quote from: Galaxy on November 26, 2017, 04:46:36 PM
Okay, but they were built to their spec. One would think the car industry would have had something in petto considering the volume. How many thousands did UPS buy? They where not just used in N. America, they also deployed them in Europe.
Which is why it's confusing to me;
They could of course specced an electric vehicle. Companies like General Dynamic have a lot of experience with electric vehicles; more than most people realize.
Electric isn't viable in many cases. Our UPS guys drive 10miles just to get to base. Then deliveries everywhere. Then 10 miles back.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 26, 2017, 05:30:28 PM
Electric isn't viable in many cases. Our UPS guys drive 10miles just to get to base. Then deliveries everywhere. Then 10 miles back.
In many cases they are though. UPS is converting 1,000 trucks to electric in New York City alone till 2020.
As long as they're noisy electrics. I get excited when I hear the UPS/Fedex truck coming down the street and know they have car parts for me.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 26, 2017, 05:30:28 PM
Electric isn't viable in many cases. Our UPS guys drive 10miles just to get to base. Then deliveries everywhere. Then 10 miles back.
At low speed, stop and go and lots of chances for regen braking; on a limited shift and not 24 hour service. It's a pretty good candidate for an electric vehicle.
Quote from: Galaxy on November 26, 2017, 12:11:28 PM
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XHM_NLKj--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/wtshbl1r7bylfvnd4bcu.jpg)
I think it looks gorgeous, not sure the F, Ram, Silverado crowd would like that though.
That thing seems awesome, especially if it runs 0-60 in 5 seconds and can tow a billion pounds like the semi truck.
While not a Tesla fanboi, I have to admit a lot of you sound like you did when Tesla said they were going to make a fast, long range luxury sedan back when all they were making was electric Lotuses. Then the Model S arrived and with it, a rapidly expanding charging infrastructure (that burned through cash, too). Then they said they'd make a CUV, to which everyone said was vaporware because it arrived late. But it's here, too and they are making a profit on them, as well. The Model 3 is in production, albeit slow, but it looks to be exactly what Tesla promised as far as spec. So they may be late, but I don't think I'd bet against them entirely. And at least the new Roadster isn't a 3D rendering, but a fully functional car that they let people test drive (how many concepts out there ever get that treatment?).
Oh, and now that they know that their luxury sedan (that was not meant to be tracked) can't handle a lap on the Ring without overheating, you don't think that they'll make sure that this car won't have the same issue? To be honest, unlike the Model 3, this is the kind of car they CAN make and sell easily and should be the arena they are playing in instead of the mass market.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on November 17, 2017, 03:11:59 PM
I am mostly a Musk fan and Tesla admirer, having loved my friend's P90D.
But....even I am starting to doubt Elon's ability to deliver on all these promises enough to keep the company afloat. He's sorta trying to crowdfund a car company with all the reservations and deposits.
As a customer, I am not very happy with my undelivered, no information at all battery reservation.
Did I miss something? Did you get a Tesla?
PowerWall.
Quote from: Laconian on December 05, 2017, 06:00:56 PM
PowerWall.
Too bad. Hector would get into a lot of trouble with a Tesla. It would be lots of fun. :devil:
I don't think it has the range for his commute
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 26, 2017, 06:07:31 PM
As long as they're noisy electrics. I get excited when I hear the UPS/Fedex truck coming down the street and know they have car parts for me.
Christmas everyday :lol:
Those UPS drivers go ham in those trucks.
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 06, 2017, 10:44:07 AM
Those UPS drivers go ham in those trucks.
I remember following a UPS truck through my neighborhood a couple of winter's ago and he was drifting around every turn. I was impressed by how well he handled a large delivery van on those narrow, snowy streets.
:rockon:
Quote from: MX793 on December 06, 2017, 12:57:56 PM
I remember following a UPS truck through my neighborhood a couple of winter's ago and he was drifting around every turn. I was impressed by how well he handled a large delivery van on those narrow, snowy streets.
:rockon:
I drifted a Uhaul Jan2016. We had emptied our furniture and it was snowing all morning. The longer the vehicle, the easier to control the drift.
In 2001 I was a brand-new Soldier assigned to do mail duty, which included driving a huge white breadtruck down tiny German streets. At first I was pretty careful but by the time I was done (6 months) I was whipping that thing anywhere and everywhere. I could back it up without anyone spotting me and get within about 2 in of the steps at our barracks. And some shenanigans. Unfortunately it never snowed while I was still working there. :heated:
Quote from: MX793 on December 06, 2017, 12:57:56 PM
I remember following a UPS truck through my neighborhood a couple of winter's ago and he was drifting around every turn. I was impressed by how well he handled a large delivery van on those narrow, snowy streets.
Epic.
Quote from: MX793 on December 06, 2017, 12:57:56 PM
I remember following a UPS truck through my neighborhood a couple of winter's ago and he was drifting around every turn. I was impressed by how well he handled a large delivery van on those narrow, snowy streets.
And inside the car, I bet the driver was terrified around every turn. :lol: