http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-3/2017/the-automobile-2-0-chevrolet-bolt-ev-premier-vs-nissan-leaf-sl-vs-tesla-model-3-long-range/
0–60: The Model 3 buries the other two. It takes 4.8 seconds to hit 60 mph versus the Bolt's 6.3 and the Leaf's 7.5. As for entering a long freeway on-ramp, the Tesla's quarter-mile time was 13.4 seconds at 104.9 mph, whereas the Bolt's was 14.9 at 92.9, and the Leaf's was 15.8 at 87.6 mph.
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In terms of handling, it's a blowout. At Hyundai's winding track handling venue, the Bolt was pointy and nimble, but the Leaf felt softer, less powerful, and nose-heavy. The Model 3? It handled like a four-door Porsche Cayman (albeit loaded with luggage).
"I thought the Model 3's handling felt terrific, and its rear-wheel drive was noticeable by its lack of steering drama on hard acceleration," Brooks said. Added Hong: "The Leaf understeered heavily on the track, and its chassis felt dated."
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The Bolt appared to win the comparo, but MT's site is such an ad-infested POS that I literally couldn't scroll to the end of the conclusions because the site crashed while loading its 99th autoplaying video ad, and bad site PTSD has kept me from reloading the site.
But you can't buy a Model 3.
I mean, the Model 3 looks ok, but it looks more like driving an aerodynamics test mule versus an actual car. The Leaf and Bolt are real cars made in factories, I get the gist the Model 3 is a more like body-in-white prototype.
I mean, most Tesla stores don't even have a Model 3 on display to see.
Model 3 wins:
Taking all these factors into consideration, our finishing order in this first-ever comparison test of affordable long-range electric vehicles: Tesla Model 3 first, then the Chevrolet Bolt and Nissan Leaf. True, this is a $60,500 Model 3—but some say magic is priceless. Hey, Tesla fans, are your hands still up?
Not written all well IMO particularly in how they arrived at the winner. One guy liked the Bolt because of better regen/throttle function, the other the Leaf for styling, and a third the Model 3 for (pseudo) autopilot and Supercharger network. Of course buck down the Model 3 to Bolt/Leaf pricing and it loses range, (pseudo) autopilot and acceleration, which makes the Bolt the winner, as I had predicted some time ago.
Judging by MT's Facebook page, they're receiving some hefty bags of cash from Tesla.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 04, 2017, 06:05:01 PM
Model 3 wins:
Taking all these factors into consideration, our finishing order in this first-ever comparison test of affordable long-range electric vehicles: Tesla Model 3 first, then the Chevrolet Bolt and Nissan Leaf. True, this is a $60,500 Model 3—but some say magic is priceless. Hey, Tesla fans, are your hands still up?
Not written all well IMO particularly in how they arrived at the winner. One guy liked the Bolt because of better regen/throttle function, the other the Leaf for styling, and a third the Model 3 for (pseudo) autopilot and Supercharger network. Of course buck down the Model 3 to Bolt/Leaf pricing and it loses range, (pseudo) autopilot and acceleration, which makes the Bolt the winner, as I had predicted some time ago.
60K???? Weren't these things suppose to be in the 30k range?
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on December 04, 2017, 07:20:41 PM
60K???? Weren't these things suppose to be in the 30k range?
With the government subsidy (which is going away... wonder how many pre-orders will be cancelled after that), with the smaller and shorter range battery pack, without the auto-pilot... yeah, I think they came out to like $35K.
Quote from: MX793 on December 04, 2017, 07:39:30 PM
With the government subsidy (which is going away... wonder how many pre-orders will be cancelled after that), with the smaller and shorter range battery pack, without the auto-pilot... yeah, I think they came out to like $35K.
GOTCHA....
So the $35k Model 3 actually costs $60k, likely isn't financially viable to produce, and isn't available to purchase. Why is this even in a comparison test?
Quote from: MrH on December 04, 2017, 08:57:58 PM
So the $35k Model 3 actually costs $60k, likely isn't financially viable to produce, and isn't available to purchase. Why is this even in a comparison test?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 04, 2017, 06:13:17 PM
they're receiving some hefty bags of cash from Tesla.
Love the haters
Quote from: r0tor on December 05, 2017, 05:16:46 AM
Love the haters
Maybe you should take a home equity loan out on a Tesla Semi.
Tesla doubled its Model 3 production over Oct+Q3 in November (granted not a hard target) and thousands of customers recently received confirmation that delivery is slated for the next 30 days. I doubt they can hit their 5,000/month target but even half that would be significant.
Some of you are walking out onto a beach emptied by a tsunami.
Thousands of customers received delivery? Oh, confirmations. :zzz:
Quote from: Tave on December 05, 2017, 08:17:10 AM
Some of you are walking out onto a beach emptied by a tsunami.
Like Deep Impact? That girl died on the beach. :heated:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 05, 2017, 08:37:37 AM
Thousands of customers received delivery? Oh, confirmations. :zzz:
Almost a thousand have to date. We can only hypothesize what they'll do in December until after New Year when we have the data in hand. I realize a large part of this is just people taking a gas at them for stumbling over, yet again, another production deadline, but I wouldn't doubt their ability to scale the volume. They produced 20-25K Model S's and Model X's during Q3 when the Model 3 release was laughably floundering; I thought it was apparent from the fact that the first models were employee-only that they weren't finished with the final shakedowns.
They had to grind to even get to that production output with the S and X. Much of their processes are manual. Model 3 has to scale to multiple times that. They just aren't there
Quote from: Tave on December 05, 2017, 09:18:22 AM
Almost a thousand have to date. We can only hypothesize what they'll do in December until after New Year when we have the data in hand. I realize a large part of this is just people taking a gas at them for stumbling over, yet again, another production deadline, but I wouldn't doubt their ability to scale the volume. They produced 20-25K Model S's and Model X's during Q3 when the Model 3 release was laughably floundering; I thought it was apparent from the fact that the first models were employee-only that they weren't finished with the final shakedowns.
Aren't the only "customers" to get Model 3s Tesla employees? I don't believe a single one has been delivered to the general public.
Quote from: MrH on December 05, 2017, 11:07:04 AM
They had to grind to even get to that production output with the S and X. Much of their processes are manual. Model 3 has to scale to multiple times that. They just aren't there
Right now their target is 5K/month which is right at their S/X output. If they can't "grind" out to get to the latter, I don't see why they couldn't do the former.
Quote from: MX793 on December 05, 2017, 11:27:22 AM
Aren't the only "customers" to get Model 3s Tesla employees? I don't believe a single one has been delivered to the general public.
The initial run through Oct only went to employees. Coincidently we didn't see much substantive 3rd party press. Public deliveries were reported in November and we've seen more footage as a corollary. Now large numbers of customers are receiving correspondence to prepare for delivery. It appears to be happening, 6 months behind schedule.
Quote from: Tave on December 05, 2017, 11:32:09 AM
Right now their target is 5K/month which is right at their S/X output. If they can't "grind" out to get to the latter, I don't see why they couldn't do the former.
Their goal is 500k cars in 2018. 5k/month might be the goal for the next month, but that's long off from where they need to get to.
Quote from: MrH on December 05, 2017, 11:43:24 AM
Their goal is 500k cars in 2018. 5k/month might be the goal for the next month, but that's long off from where they need to get to.
Hard to reach - absolutely
Not sure how you can hate on it when their established competition can only manage feeble efforts to sell 15k boring ass econoboxs per year.
Because those competitors sell millions of cars each year. EVs are just a side project for them, not their core business (as of right now)
Quote from: r0tor on December 05, 2017, 04:25:23 PM
Hard to reach - absolutely
Not sure how you can hate on it when their established competition can only manage feeble efforts to sell 15k boring ass econoboxs per year.
Selling units isn't the same as scaling up to produce units....
Quote from: 2o6 on December 05, 2017, 04:29:39 PM
Selling units isn't the same as scaling up to produce units....
It's only a problem if you have a product people actually want to buy... Unlike the Bolt and Leaf
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 05, 2017, 04:29:02 PM
Because those competitors sell millions of cars each year. EVs are just a side project for them, not their core business (as of right now)
Are you agreeing then the Model 3 is the only one that is not a half ass attempt of an EV?
Quote from: r0tor on December 05, 2017, 05:48:24 PM
Are you agreeing then the Model 3 is the only one that is not a half ass attempt of an EV?
Nope. Chevy's side project is better than the Model 3. For $35k you can get slightly better range, better build quality, better dealer network, and most importantly - you can drive home with one today.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 05, 2017, 06:04:07 PM
Nope. Chevy's side project is better than the Model 3. For $35k you can get slightly better range, better build quality, better dealer network, and most importantly - you can drive home with one today.
You can get one because nobody wants them.
The model 3 and Bolt are roughly the same price when equally equipped. The 3 just goes faster, handles far better, is rwd, and doesn't have a $14k sibling that looks like it inside and out.
No, you can get one because GM has a competent supply chain & manufacturing team.
r0tor is in a full on panic :lol: I'm giggling
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 05, 2017, 06:37:59 PM
No, you can get one because GM has a competent supply chain & manufacturing team.
Even Tesla can build 10k cars a year -shrug-
This argument is tired.
r0tor is taking it from both ends in this thread and the personal finance thread
Personally I would log off and let things cool off but he has a different approach
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 05, 2017, 07:59:10 PM
Personally I would log off and let things cool off
Come on, we all know that's not true :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 05, 2017, 07:59:10 PM
r0tor is taking it from both ends in this thread and the personal finance thread
Personally I would log off and let things cool off but he has a different approach
When a car that's competitvely priced and vastly out performs ( I mean obliterates) it's competition and wins a car rag comparo - people generally agree.
Except when that means Tesla wins.
Generally, when a manufacturer gets way more customers for a car then it can build - it's also usually a success.
Except when it's Tesla.
Face it, it's just pure hate. They designed a car that kills the competition and massive amounts of people want to actually own. They have turned not only the electric market but the general auto industry upside-down.
Quote from: r0tor on December 06, 2017, 06:14:23 AM
When a car that's competitvely priced and vastly out performs ( I mean obliterates) it's competition and wins a car rag comparo - people generally agree.
Except when that means Tesla wins.
Generally, when a manufacturer gets way more customers for a car then it can build - it's also usually a success.
Except when it's Tesla.
Face it, it's just pure hate. They designed a car that kills the competition and massive amounts of people want to actually own. They have turned not only the electric market but the general auto industry upside-down.
Competitively priced - $61k vs. $35k? Buck down the Model 3 option list to be legit Bolt/Leaf pricing, and it finishes 2nd here, maybe even third.
It's not hate - it's reality. Tesla is an economic fiction distorting both the market and law/regulation. This is what pisses people off.
This debate will sort itself out in one to two years. I am hoping they succeed. The cars are very very good.
Quote from: CALL_911 on December 06, 2017, 06:11:26 AM
Come on, we all know that's not true :lol:
I have, you just don't notice
Quote from: r0tor on December 06, 2017, 06:14:23 AM
When a car that's competitvely priced and vastly out performs ( I mean obliterates) it's competition and wins a car rag comparo - people generally agree.
Except when that means Tesla wins.
Generally, when a manufacturer gets way more customers for a car then it can build - it's also usually a success.
Except when it's Tesla.
Face it, it's just pure hate. They designed a car that kills the competition and massive amounts of people want to actually own. They have turned not only the electric market but the general auto industry upside-down.
A car that cost 2x more than its competitors beat them in a comparo.... wow! Stop the presses!
Equally priced the Model 3 has less range and less equipment, and won't be available at that price most likely for
years. If GM had the luxury of churning through fanboy cash to cover its losses they could build a Model 3 killer
and actually deliver it. Holding automakers to the milestones/deadlines/targets they set for themselves is not hate
Uhh... Comperable Volt vs 3 price is 40-45k
The 3 in this comparo was nowhere near that and there is no reliable estimate of when such a 3 will be available. People can't drive press releases and Elon tweets
The base Model 3 will still match the other two on range, accelerate faster, be more efficient, and smash them on braking and handling. And not look like a disaster.
Quote from: Tave on December 06, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
The base Model 3 will still match the other two on range, accelerate faster, be more efficient, and smash them on braking and handling. And not look like a disaster.
That interior looks like a disaster. :huh:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 06, 2017, 11:36:40 AM
That interior looks like a disaster. :huh:
You may not like the minimalism, but it is elegant and simple. It isn't messy, so it's not a disaster in that sense.
Quote from: Tave on December 06, 2017, 11:43:13 AM
You may not like the minimalism, but it is elegant and simple. It isn't messy, so it's not a disaster in that sense.
You're right. It's like the aftermath of a disaster when everything has been washed away and there's nothing left but a barren wasteland.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 06, 2017, 12:12:07 PM
You're right. It's like the aftermath of a disaster when everything has been washed away and there's nothing left but a barren wasteland.
:lol:
All joking aside, I think the Bolt is decent looking, but I wouldn't want it myself mainly because it is FWD (by all accounts it handles reasonable well for a FWD car).
I would like the Model 3 to be a good car because if I ever make the move to an electric car I would want it to be a fun car to drive.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 06, 2017, 12:12:07 PM
You're right. It's like the aftermath of a disaster when everything has been washed away and there's nothing left but a barren wasteland.
It's a contemporary nod to the beautiful Art Deco dashes from the golden age of auto design, as well as functionally inspired insomuch as it helps conserve interior room by eliminating useless space.
If you prefer the overwrought spaceship whale genitalia theme that seems to be so in vogue at the moment, well, I guess we like what we like.
"Art Deco dashes from the golden age of auto design"
I was thinking of mid-century modern furniture. Very low profile, everything's secreted away, for better or worse.
50's dashes were elegant. Tesla stuck an iPad to a slab of soft-touch plastic.
Quote from: Tave on December 06, 2017, 08:05:12 PM
It's a contemporary nod to the beautiful Art Deco dashes from the golden age of auto design, as well as functionally inspired insomuch as it helps conserve interior room by eliminating useless space.
if anything it's 1960's minimalism, Art Deco is much more ornate.
Also it's not as well thought out as you think it is...
If you prefer the overwrought spaceship whale genitalia theme that seems to be so in vogue at the moment, well, I guess we like what we like.
volvo. On trend, car interiors have gotten more sleek and less ornate...
The Model 3's dash design still has very real design and safety concerns.
Quote from: 2o6 on December 06, 2017, 10:27:37 PM
The Model 3's dash design still has very real design and safety concerns.
Please quit responding to quotes within the embedded quote block. It saves you no effort and makes it a pain in the ass for others to reply.
Art Deco is most often characterized by hyper-stylization, it doesn't have to be ornate, and many pieces are the opposite of ornate.
As cars started growing out of the classical Art Deco of the 30s and 40s, then into the futurism/Modern Art Deco of the 50s and 60s, until finally arriving at the minimalist/brutalism of the late 70s and 80s, we saw dash designs stay fairly consistent relative to exterior developments up until the 70s. If you look at a '69 Camaro, the gauge scripts and layout is totally Art Deco and it looks like it could have been taken directly from the Mustang five years earlier or the Corvette ten years before that.
Ironically, in the late 70s and 80s when cars were at their most minimalist on the outside, the new electronics began making an absolute mess of the dashes.
Quote from: Laconian on December 06, 2017, 08:07:16 PM
"Art Deco dashes from the golden age of auto design"
I was thinking of mid-century modern furniture. Very low profile, everything's secreted away, for better or worse.
Mid century, modernism, minimalism, all of them are better descriptors than Art Deco. That really doesn't fit at all.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 07, 2017, 02:06:55 PM
Mid century, modernism, minimalism, all of them are better descriptors than Art Deco. That really doesn't fit at all.
Minimal stylized buttons and gauges with long stretches of strong, blank dashlines? I dunno I think it fits pretty well. :huh:
I didn't say the Tesla was Art Deco, I said it's a contemporary (minimalist) take on the kind of dash designs we saw on Art Deco-era cars:
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4c/06/ab/4c06aba180cf31f4ac42f4fea8f8d8cc--randalls-pebble-beach.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/5e/2b/72/5e2b724efe2fece4f49a76ed67c8a83a.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/66/8d/d6/668dd6c3826ff8552e8585785051015a--cute-images-cute-photos.jpg)
See, I wouldn't call any of those Art Deco either.
When you say Art Deco and cars, I think of Heinz Rust's Phantom Corsair, or a James Young Roller.
It's a pretty broad genre, encompasses a lot of design.
Pretty sure some font programs actually call this script "art deco"...
(http://www.simoncars.co.uk/fordusa/slides/aa_Ford%20Thunderbird%201957%20badgea.jpg)
Quote from: Tave on December 07, 2017, 02:54:29 PM
It's a pretty broad genre, encompasses a lot of design.
Pretty sure some font programs actually call this script "art deco"...
(http://www.simoncars.co.uk/fordusa/slides/aa_Ford%20Thunderbird%201957%20badgea.jpg)
Certainly there are influences there, but it's not the style I would name it.
Whatever, I think everybody's saying the same thing here with a different vocabulary.
The Model 3 is much more Scandinavian/IKEA minimalist than a minimalist 50's throwback.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 07, 2017, 03:14:44 PM
The Model 3 is much more Scandinavian/IKEA minimalist than a minimalist 50's throwback.
What it really is is iPodism (appleism? Jobsian?)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 07, 2017, 03:19:24 PM
What it really is is iPodism (appleism? Jobsian?)
Bauhaus. Jony Ive can only do Bauhaus.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 07, 2017, 03:12:23 PM
Certainly there are influences there, but it's not the style I would name it.
Whatever, I think everybody's saying the same thing here with a different vocabulary.
:cheers:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 07, 2017, 03:14:44 PM
The Model 3 is much more Scandinavian/IKEA minimalist than a minimalist 50's throwback.
Agreed, but just to have some fun, I'd argue that IKEA has a lot more in common with those dashes I posted than it does with:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c6/fe/ce/c6fecee97975df30499e3b3f38ef0103.jpg)
Or,
(https://www.motorbeam.com/wp-content/uploads/2012_Honda_Civic_Interior.jpg)
Oh, the indefensible Bonneville. That's like Godwinning the thread.
So many buttons = so much driving excitement.
Does one have to use the touch screen in a Tesla to open their window? lol
Mine and only my opinion, but the Model 3 interior evokes the feelings of a hammock, sunny day, and soft summer breeze. The Bolt and Leaf look like a cross between a Stormtrooper costume and elementary school science project.
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/10/2016/01/2017-Chevrolet-Bolt-EV-interior.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8DmUe1ol_YI/maxresdefault.jpg)
(http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/597bceae4528e621008b58b2-480/model-3-dashboard-embargoed-do-not-use.jpeg)
The Tesla is like the scroll-wheel MacBook. So simple that it hurts.
(http://www.walyou.com/img/scroll-keyboard-apple-parody-1.jpg)
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 07, 2017, 04:05:07 PM
Does one have to use the touch screen in a Tesla to open their window? lol
No. It has a window switch on the door.
It also ended up having a wiper toggle on the wheel, dedicated hvac controls, physical gear selector...basically every chicken-little concern that arose.
Quote from: Tave on December 07, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
No. It has a window switch on the door.
It also ended up having a wiper toggle on the wheel, dedicated hvac controls, physical gear selector...basically every chicken-little concern that arose.
Weird. I don't see any of that in the picture up there.
Quote from: Laconian on December 07, 2017, 04:04:22 PM
Oh, the indefensible Bonneville. That's like Godwinning the thread.
So many buttons = so much driving excitement.
Bruh, Pontiac
is excitement. It's what they do (uh, did).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGPcHrVUZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGPcHrVUZI)
I like the look of the Model 3 but I think it goes too far in sacrificing usability for its aesthetic. And that screen is just too goddamn big, c'mon. The rest of the dash is low profile, an organic flowing wooden oasis... and plop! Here's a big sports bar plasma TV, dropped right in the middle of it all.
I do think people are being irrational with the form over function argument. There are pllllenty of accepted cars which sacrifice utility in the name of aesthetics, like the Camaro. Who needs to see out of the car, anyway?
Quote from: Submariner on December 07, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
Bruh, Pontiac is excitement. It's what they do (uh, did).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGPcHrVUZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGPcHrVUZI)
More
Pontiac Excitement for the
Great Ones
Quote from: Laconian on December 07, 2017, 03:52:09 PM
Bauhaus. Jony Ive can only do Bauhaus.
Ehh, that's a bit of a stretch, but I can see it.
Bauhaus is too old, it's mid century modern
No, I said Jony Ive shamelessly apes Braun and Bauhaus.
The Model 3 interior is totally midcentury modern.
The latest C&D had a great picture of Bill Mitchell's canonically MCM office.
(https://d39a3h63xew422.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/21044819/go-fully-inside-the-general-motors-design-center-1476934502883-1000x750.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/cd/26/09cd2661f439abca1b0d1c2a46d189dc.jpg)
Quote from: Laconian on December 07, 2017, 04:04:22 PM
Oh, the indefensible Bonneville. That's like Godwinning the thread.
So many buttons = so much driving excitement.
:lol: I went after the low-hanging fruit but Pontiac was hardly the only offender.
Waaaaaay too much effort is spent in trying to augment and lather the dash in fancy materials, go all-in on ergos and create bulky wraparound cockpits, and/or cramming it full of teritiary tech you never use—versus making it space efficient. I don't completely fault the automakers for this because people want their power accessories and I'd rather the Texa$ spent on industrial design be allocated to critical mechanics on the vehicle, but ¡hot damn! we went through an interior nadir in a lot of ways since the 80s.
Quote from: Laconian on December 07, 2017, 04:45:05 PM
I like the look of the Model 3 but I think it goes too far in sacrificing usability for its aesthetic. And that screen is just too goddamn big, c'mon. The rest of the dash is low profile, an organic flowing wooden oasis... and plop! Here's a big sports bar plasma TV, dropped right in the middle of it all.
I do think people are being irrational with the form over function argument. There are pllllenty of accepted cars which sacrifice utility in the name of aesthetics, like the Camaro. Who needs to see out of the car, anyway?
As long as the screen is responsive and on-par w the screen in the Model S, I'm alright with it. I'd prefer a secondary e-gauge cluster in front of the driver or on a heads-up display w/ a smaller-than-now center screen, but not enough to pass one up.
Quote from: Laconian on December 07, 2017, 05:23:43 PM
No, I said Jony Ive shamelessly apes Braun and Bauhaus.
The Model 3 interior is totally midcentury modern.
The latest C&D had a great picture of Bill Mitchell's canonically MCM office.
(https://d39a3h63xew422.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/21044819/go-fully-inside-the-general-motors-design-center-1476934502883-1000x750.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/cd/26/09cd2661f439abca1b0d1c2a46d189dc.jpg)
Dream house:
(http://cdnassets.hw.net/dims4/GG/eaf6ccc/2147483647/resize/876x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnassets.hw.net%2F90%2Fda%2F0e12a19e45bf9f2390510e8e5a18%2Flava-hero.jpg)
(http://cdnassets.hw.net/dims4/GG/d6f0626/2147483647/resize/876x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnassets.hw.net%2Fe8%2Ff2%2F8ad1d0ab453abdb09c7fd22e8f3c%2F07.jpg)
(http://cdnassets.hw.net/dims4/GG/22e63ff/2147483647/resize/876x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnassets.hw.net%2Fc2%2Fc5%2Fd9f4ad444da3bfbdca1f6200d778%2F05.jpg)
Is that Hector's place? :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on December 07, 2017, 04:45:05 PM
I like the look of the Model 3 but I think it goes too far in sacrificing usability for its aesthetic. And that screen is just too goddamn big, c'mon. The rest of the dash is low profile, an organic flowing wooden oasis... and plop! Here's a big sports bar plasma TV, dropped right in the middle of it all.
I do think people are being irrational with the form over function argument. There are pllllenty of accepted cars which sacrifice utility in the name of aesthetics, like the Camaro. Who needs to see out of the car, anyway?
Nobody talks about the Camaro's visibility because we are all in agreement on its ridiculousness. Tesla fanboism is so rampant there are literally people arguing against the usefulness of manually adjustable vents. Or pointing to the value and superiority of cars we're not even sure Tesla can manufacture/deliver. Such ridiculousness cannot go unchecked; it must be called out and neutralized
Quote from: Submariner on December 07, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
Bruh, Pontiac is excitement. It's what they do (uh, did).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGPcHrVUZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGPcHrVUZI)
Pontiac went out of business because they failed to maintain quality advertisement like that, or this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSYlsJFTOus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSYlsJFTOus)
Not only a bitchin' tune, but so much going on in this one besides more rain, fog, and mist than Blade Runner. Starting at the 4 second mark, we see the first glimpse of several clips of a couple standing outside of a Grand Am engaged in some kind of domestic dispute. Followed by a shot of someone who may or may not be a young Steve Carell. Some footage of a Firebird doing powerslides on a wet street. A woman disputing a ticket with a cop. A couple of dudes randomly dancing in an alley. More footage of our feuding couple at the 57 second mark. Then a woman taking off her jacket and apparently fleeting a flock of seagulls (or her LeMans) at the beach, with a random clip of some kind of foggy make-out scene. Some more reckless driving and burnouts. More of our domestic dispute at 1:18 and then 1:20 as words turn to a slap in the face. Someone who thinks he's Sonny Crockett leaping into a Sunfire convertible. At 1:29, we have a man who appears to be stalking a woman who, appearing a moment later, seems to think she's in a hair product commercial. Our lovers' spat sub-plot finally concludes at 1:48. More powerslides. What appears to be a man soliciting a prostitute at around the 1:58 mark. Then a burnout. A few happy couples and finally a man hosing down the ground.
Hahahahaha
Quote from: MX793 on December 07, 2017, 08:02:10 PM
Pontiac went out of business because they failed to maintain quality advertisement like that, or this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSYlsJFTOus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSYlsJFTOus)
Not only a bitchin' tune, but so much going on in this one besides more rain, fog, and mist than Blade Runner. Starting at the 4 second mark, we see the first glimpse of several clips of a couple standing outside of a Grand Am engaged in some kind of domestic dispute. Followed by a shot of someone who may or may not be a young Steve Carell. Some footage of a Firebird doing powerslides on a wet street. A woman disputing a ticket with a cop. A couple of dudes randomly dancing in an alley. More footage of our feuding couple at the 57 second mark. Then a woman taking off her jacket and apparently fleeting a flock of seagulls (or her LeMans) at the beach, with a random clip of some kind of foggy make-out scene. Some more reckless driving and burnouts. More of our domestic dispute at 1:18 and then 1:20 as words turn to a slap in the face. Someone who thinks he's Sonny Crockett leaping into a Sunfire convertible. At 1:29, we have a man who appears to be stalking a woman who, appearing a moment later, seems to think she's in a hair product commercial. Our lovers' spat sub-plot finally concludes at 1:48. More powerslides. What appears to be a man soliciting a prostitute at around the 1:58 mark. Then a burnout. A few happy couples and finally a man hosing down the ground.
Post of the year!
Good effort, but I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't give more time to the Whitesnake cover group twirling around in their dusters with rolled up sleeves.