I was bored, so I decided to stop and drive this thing. This one is a base "S" model, with the 1.0, and FWD.
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+ the 1.0L and 3cyl work well together, even if they don't really move the car around that fast
+ the interior is roomier than the Fiesta
+ I like the base trim wheels
+ pretty decent standard features (here's looking at you Chevy Trax)
+ compact dimensions = easy to park
- this car is what Ford basically wants people to buy instead of the Fiesta. It's worse in every way.
- the 1.0L makes 40+ mpg in the Fiesta and Focus, yet here it's only rated for 29 Highway.
- considering how slow the car is, 29MPG is ass
- the car itself feels tippy, cornering too hard may actually make it turn over. In fact, it's got a rollover warning on the visor. (The Toyota C-HR Didn't!)
- it looks pretty tragic outside
- steering is worse than the Fiesta
- ford engines never reach their economy, and the 11MPG economy differential between the focus 1.0 and the Ecosport 1.0, I predict the Ecosport is gonna be shit
- it's pronounced "echo sport" gross.
- the interior room itself is mediocre at best
- susceptible to crosswinds
- This car is around $4000 more than an similar Fiesta. (About 1k more than a Focus)
- But in typical ford fashion, it won't transact for retail price
- the ride was stiff and jittery
Oh dear. One liter is just not enough engine for a car like this.
It's only for tiny cars and skirting displacement taxes.
I really super wonder how expensive the Turbos are going to cost to replace on these things. About 10yrs they're going to need some work.
Have we ever had a vehicle made in India marketed here before?
I can think of one motorcycle, that's about it.
Quote from: Laconian on April 18, 2018, 11:24:29 AM
Oh dear. One liter is just not enough engine for a car like this.
It's only for tiny cars and skirting displacement taxes.
???
It's as fast as the 1.4T in the Trax.
It's *fine*. It just should do better.
Also, didn't your MIL have a Renault Captur with the 900cc TCE? This car is exactly the same size. And it has like 30HP more and like 50 ft lbs of torque more.
Echo sport? Have I been pronouncing "ecoboost" wrong all along? :confused:
Quote from: 2o6 on April 18, 2018, 11:13:02 AM
- it's pronounced "echo sport" gross.
:confused:
Fuuuuuuuuck that. Probably coming from the same goofs who said "SHO" is pronounced "show"; no, no, it's ess-aitch-oh, and anything else is categorically wrong.
This is real third world shit. Somehow I feel they could have made a better crossover out of the Fiesta, this is just unacceptable.
This car seems to not have anything really that appealing other than really small dimensions. It looks OK. I'd take a Kia Soul, Mazda CX3, or Subaru Crosstrek over it.
Using fueleconomy.gov and 15,000 miles a year/45% highway and 55% city driving: the annual fuel cost difference between the EcoSport and Fiesta is $150.
Killing the fiesta and replacing it with something worse but with a better profit margin... Beancounters are back in charge of Ford
Quote from: veeman on April 18, 2018, 05:59:45 PM
This car seems to not have anything really that appealing other than really small dimensions. It looks OK. I'd take a Kia Soul, Mazda CX3, or Subaru Crosstrek over it.
Using fueleconomy.gov and 15,000 miles a year/45% highway and 55% city driving: the annual fuel cost difference between the EcoSport and Fiesta is $150.
SFE to Ecoboost FWD, it's more like $450. Also, real world I drive more freeway miles, and real world the Ecosport will be worse real world.
Yuck.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 18, 2018, 11:13:02 AM
+ the interior is roomier than the Fiesta
- this car is what Ford basically wants people to buy instead of the Fiesta. It's worse in every way.
Roomier is good!
I will say that the pricing is aggressive, and Ford has strong incentives.
A FWD SES with SYNC, moonroof, push-to-start, heated seats and other goodies were only $2500 more than the basic S model. I could have gotten that one with low APR, and all the goodies for like $23k, before any sort of negotiating.
However, if you INSIST on getting a tall FWD SUV type thing, a Kia Soul 1.6 is a better value. And a better car.
What a miserable looking car.
That reminds me. I saw a Spark Active the other day. Turrrrible looking car
Quote from: MrH on April 18, 2018, 07:27:11 PM
What a miserable looking car.
That reminds me. I saw a Spark Active the other day. Turrrrible looking car
I like the Spark Active!
*googles "Spark Active"*
Oh, okay. No wonder I've never heard of this: "No Chevrolet Spark Activ for Canada" (http://www.autotrader.ca/newsfeatures/20161114/no-chevrolet-spark-activ-for-canada/)
Quote from: r0tor on April 18, 2018, 06:04:04 PM
Killing the fiesta and replacing it with something worse but with a better profit margin... Beancounters are back in charge of Ford
What's the alternative? Fiesta retail sales are in freefall; a redesign on a low margin low volume subcompact is pointless. This is bad but sadly people will buy it.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 18, 2018, 08:17:49 PM
What's the alternative? Fiesta retail sales are in freefall; a redesign on a low margin low volume subcompact is pointless. This is bad but sadly people will buy it.
1. The Fiesta has already been redesigned, and is on sale for like a year now.
2. Will it sell? The Fiesta is still selling about 50K units a year. Will this do that? Who knows.
The more time goes on the closer we get to Idiocracy. This looks like one of the car/pods
Lol
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Quote from: 2o6 on April 18, 2018, 06:36:13 PM
SFE to Ecoboost FWD, it's more like $450. Also, real world I drive more freeway miles, and real world the Ecosport will be worse real world.
What is "S"FE? Anyways I put in on fueleconomy.gov a FWD EcoSport compared with Fiesta using 15,000 miles/year and 85% highway driving and got a difference of $250 per year. It's a significant difference but not a huge difference.
Anyways your observations about the car seem spot on.
Quote from: veeman on April 18, 2018, 11:31:48 PM
What is "S"FE? Anyways I put in on fueleconomy.gov a FWD EcoSport compared with Fiesta using 15,000 miles/year and 85% highway driving and got a difference of $250 per year. It's a significant difference but not a huge difference.
Anyways your observations about the car seem spot on.
The SFE has the 1.0
The regular is a 1.6
Quote from: Rich on April 18, 2018, 10:46:46 PM
The more time goes on the closer we get to idiicracy. This looks like one of the car/pods
:lol: Spot on
speaking of
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Those headlights are almost bigger than the wheels.
Quote from: Rich on April 19, 2018, 09:08:23 AM
speaking of
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What's wrong with it?
Isnt the Ecosport something like 5 model years old at this point too? Hopefully Ford has figured out all of this car's issues in time for the new one.
Quote from: Xer0 on April 19, 2018, 10:39:06 AM
Isnt the Ecosport something like 5 model years old at this point too? Hopefully Ford has figured out all of this car's issues in time for the new one.
This is like it's 3rd facelift.
I think we get a version of this thing here (I remember seeing something similar on the road), but I am too lazy to check. :tounge:
Quote from: 2o6 on April 19, 2018, 10:46:35 AM
This is like it's 3rd facelift.
Jeez, I hope Ford's got another one cooking cause this segment is growing and loaded with viable options and this looks pretty bad.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 19, 2018, 10:51:39 AM
I think we get a version of this thing here (I remember seeing something similar on the road), but I am too lazy to check. :tounge:
1er replacement? Here's your Detroit iron!