I'm bored so I figured I'd update you guise with what I've been up to lately.
After I crashed the Outback, I ended up looking for more Outbacks to just transfer all my parts to, but unfortunately I couldn't find another manual 2.2L version, and didn't want to take a chance on a 2.5L as those blew headgaskets super easily. Prices were also stupid expensive so I decided it wasn't worth it to spend $4-5k on another 20+ year old wagon and decided to look at new cars.
As expected, the number of cars with AWD plus a manual transmission and a hatchback is extremely low. I basically got laughed out of the VW showroom when I asked if they had any manual Sportwagens or Alltracks, so it was back to Subaru. I didn't like the Forester as it was giant, so I just rage bought a Crosstrek, unfortunately in the Sunshine Orange as it was the only manual transmission car I could find (which was a mistake, but more on that later).
When I first got it:
(https://i.imgur.com/pJrCoaI.jpg)
Obligatory roof box put back on:
(https://i.imgur.com/wxx5q7D.jpg)
I only did basic "mods" at first like a stubby antenna to not hit my roof box and floor mats, but I went full potato about a week into owning it and ended up with wheels, tires, mud flaps, skid plates and an LED light bar as well to transform it into a full mall crawler:
(https://i.imgur.com/dS0a6uq.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/42fU3Qh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cyvekJk.jpg)
Don't worry, I have taken it off road quite a bit, though. The first time it had barely 1,500 miles on it and I was already slinging it through mud and snow:
(https://i.imgur.com/jA53IdV.jpg)
I also racked up about 10k in 5 months just camping and skiing:
(https://i.imgur.com/K6Snq3Y.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lmbRp9P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QG1ZkZY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3SZowHU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yiZSDiW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/76ix5xc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tnAgtQJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8B5cXvB.jpg)
Anywho, the car does have some problems. First, it's slow as fuck. I know I haven't helped things with the tires and roof box, but it's dangerously slow loaded up. It also burns a little bit of oil, but the worst part is the god awful orange paint. I've got over 40+ rock chips all over the hood, roof and front fenders, as well as some on the rear quarter panels. It's been a big issue with this paint with a lot of people getting their cars repainted and some even getting new cars. I told Subaru of America about the problem but as expected I haven't heard anything back regarding any resolution.
So there you have it. It's a comfortable enough daily, but nowhere as fun as the Outback was. Future plans are a 1.5" lift (RIP my axles/CVs), and maybe a spare tire carrier.
Oh c'mon. It can't be that slow.
Lol dangerously slow
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 15, 2018, 03:42:56 PM
Oh c'mon. It can't be that slow.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 15, 2018, 03:47:39 PM
Lol dangerously slow
Have you driven one? Even unloaded it's a 9.2 second car 0-60. With my sweet mods and 4 people + ski gear it's probably a 12 second car at best. Going up even mild hills I have to drop to 4th and down to 3rd on some of the steeper hills. Yeah, it'll do 75 mph+ but you're not passing anyone and I'm usually going WOT on highway onramps.
That's not that slow tho.
Did you consider buying a WRX
Quote from: 2o6 on May 15, 2018, 03:52:08 PM
That's not that slow tho.
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Quote from: CALL_911 on May 15, 2018, 03:53:33 PM
Did you consider buying a WRX
Nah, no hatch new unfortunately, didn't trust them enough to buy used.
You coulda got a nice Jeep Compass
Honestly I would looooove if they put the WRX's FA in the Crosstrek.
I like the wheels/tires you added. Is the paint a Subaru issue? You must expect some chips when you offroad your vehicle. Too late now, unless you get it repainted, but maybe a clear vinyl wrap might have been a good investment.
No lesbians or any other stupid stereotypes, but not a bad looking modern car. :ohyeah: The thing that gets me is the fake black and yellow California plate...I hate these damn things, and they're popular as fuck. I suppose it's a way for the state to make money, but other than that... ;)
Quote from: 2o6 on May 15, 2018, 03:52:08 PM
That's not that slow tho.
What is that slow then
Avg car does 0-60 in like 7-8 seconds.... and highway speeds are like 75-85.
WRX swap?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 15, 2018, 04:34:59 PM
What is that slow then
Avg car does 0-60 in like 7-8 seconds.... and highway speeds are like 75-85.
WRX swap?
Yes, a newish car under warranty. WRX swap. Give your head a shake.
I remember test driving one a few years back when shopping for a car for the wife... Yea it's really f'in slow
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 15, 2018, 03:51:36 PM
Have you driven one? Even unloaded it's a 9.2 second car 0-60. With my sweet mods and 4 people + ski gear it's probably a 12 second car at best. Going up even mild hills I have to drop to 4th and down to 3rd on some of the steeper hills. Yeah, it'll do 75 mph+ but you're not passing anyone and I'm usually going WOT on highway onramps.
No.
But, having spent considerable seat time in VW Beetles (40 HP), a Renault Fuego (80 maybe?), driven the 91 wagon (150 HP and 4500 lbs) to South Carolina and back, and spending years in trucks that took at least 30 seconds to make it to 45 (unloaded), I find it hard to think of any modern car as "dangerously slow."
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 15, 2018, 04:34:59 PM
What is that slow then
Avg car does 0-60 in like 7-8 seconds.... and highway speeds are like 75-85.
WRX swap?
The average car isn't doing 0-60 in 8 seconds during everyday driving, excelt when (and follow me here) they've already screwed up and misjudged something. (Or just because hey want to).
4Runner is pretty damn slow, and never once have I thought "this is dangerously slow" even when full of people and animals and going uphill and nowhere near wot. How slow is "dangerously slow" ... as long and a vehicle can sustain highway speeds, from an acceleration standpoint I don't think I've ever driven anything I'd consider truly dangerously slow.
It's only dangerously slow if your driving style is so bad that acceleration is the only tool in your toolbox for avoiding danger.
My '90 Camry was really goddamn slow. I only found the slowness to be "dangerous" maybe once or twice? Learn to live life in the right lane and it's fine.
Jesus Christ I regret using the word "dangerous" now. :lol:
It was partly exaggeration, partly disbelief that a new car is still this slow. I'm used to slower cars (never even owned anything above 200 hp, hell above even 170 hp), but this is slower than pretty much everything except the Volvo I had.
It also has a problem where it stumbles and stutters at 2500 rpm or so, and stumbles up to about 4000 rpm before it finally gets going, and in this time it's basically not accelerating at all, so yes, I'd still say it's "dangerously" slow when I'm trying to accelerate onto the highway and the engine is stuttering and stumbling. Others have had the same issue as well, but no one knows what's causing it yet, and it doesn't happen often enough for me to be able to replicate it at a dealership.
Also lol @ WRX swapping a new car. I don't have the skill or money to do that even if I wanted to.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 15, 2018, 07:00:21 PM
Jesus Christ I regret using the word "dangerous" now. :lol:
It was partly exaggeration, partly disbelief that a new car is still this slow. I'm used to slower cars (never even owned anything above 200 hp, hell above even 170 hp), but this is slower than pretty much everything except the Volvo I had.
It also has a problem where it stumbles and stutters at 2500 rpm or so, and stumbles up to about 4000 rpm before it finally gets going, and in this time it's basically not accelerating at all, so yes, I'd still say it's "dangerously" slow when I'm trying to accelerate onto the highway and the engine is stuttering and stumbling. Others have had the same issue as well, but no one knows what's causing it yet, and it doesn't happen often enough for me to be able to replicate it at a dealership.
Also lol @ WRX swapping a new car. I don't have the skill or money to do that even if I wanted to.
Sounds like there's actually something wrong with it if its stumbling that much.
My Karmann Ghia... 0-60 in 25-30. Dangerous? Fuck yeah. :rockon:
The only car I could call dangerously slow was the 1999 CR-V I had that only had 3rd and 4th. 0-60 came in like 1:30.
How is the output on your light bar?
How much did the light bar improve your autox times?
(I think you were gone for the genesis of this inside joke)
Lol @ "rage bought". Looks good other than the color. Do you go on trips with a Subaru club? Looks like it.
I like the color. Shame it doesn't hold up.
Ha, ha - I dug "rage bought" as well - so rags.
Great cars in concept (size, utility, AWD), but yes, they are criminally slow.
Love it. Thing must be a beast off road with those tires. I'd love a rig like that if it weren't for needing/wanting to do truck things (clearance, dirtbike, etc).
Hmmmmm, my wife is always gushing about how "powerful" Odyssey is.
Looking it up, her Impreza has 165hp and weighs 3165curb/ 4100lbs gross.
2017 Crosstrek is 148hp at 3109lbs (Probably curb).
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So I can indeed see how it would be 'slow'. I drive her car pretty hard when I'm in it, merging onto the 65mph freeway uphill if there's traffic takes some extra attention. And we don't drive it with more than just me and her usually.
Although after we got married we had the back seats down and literally overflowing with stuff, PLUS a BIG roofbox FULL of clothes in plastic garbage bags. We drove from UT to SC. It was cool. :huh:
Quote from: giant_mtb on May 15, 2018, 09:09:19 PM
Love it. Thing must be a beast off road with those tires. I'd love a rig like that if it weren't for needing/wanting to do truck things (clearance, dirtbike, etc).
+1
I REEEALLLY love that new orange. It's brighter than the original crosstrek orange color. Shame about it not holding up.
Quote from: Rockraven on May 15, 2018, 04:19:25 PM
I like the wheels/tires you added. Is the paint a Subaru issue? You must expect some chips when you offroad your vehicle. Too late now, unless you get it repainted, but maybe a clear vinyl wrap might have been a good investment.
Yeah, a lot of people on the forums and Facebook groups are having issues with the orange paint. The chips started before I even started off roading the car (within a thousand miles), and honestly while off roading the speeds are generally slow enough that the front of my car isn't getting pelted with stuff.
I was going to get a clear vinyl bra but spent the money on the wheels and tires instead. :lol:
Quote from: Submariner on May 15, 2018, 07:39:14 PM
How is the output on your light bar?
Idk, I just have this one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LFKZDWO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The entire light bar setup was like $80. It's not DOT legal and is bright as fuck.
(https://i.imgur.com/JH60VHa.jpg)
Quote from: Laconian on May 15, 2018, 07:42:53 PM
How much did the light bar improve your autox times?
(I think you were gone for the genesis of this inside joke)
Yeah I don't get it... :(
Quote from: giant_mtb on May 15, 2018, 09:09:19 PM
Love it. Thing must be a beast off road with those tires. I'd love a rig like that if it weren't for needing/wanting to do truck things (clearance, dirtbike, etc).
Thanks! It does have 8.7" of ground clearance... over 10" with a lift!
I will admit I'm coming off as pretty negative, but overall the car is pretty nice. For being an awkward looking CUV thingy it looks pretty nice IMO and for being a lifted economy car it's surprisingly great off road. I was able to hang with a group of people who were convinced I wouldn't make it up a particular trail.
It's also comfortable on road but despite the A/T tires and high ground clearance it drives surprisingly well, and the manual is pretty fun to drive. The pedals are spaced well for some heel-toe action and it's awesome being able to just drive over any bumps and curbs that I want. I just get a little peeved that it's both slower and burns more oil than my 32 year old Mister Two. :rage: :lol:
Burns oil? WTF
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 15, 2018, 10:41:57 PM
Yeah, a lot of people on the forums and Facebook groups are having issues with the orange paint. The chips started before I even started off roading the car (within a thousand miles), and honestly while off roading the speeds are generally slow enough that the front of my car isn't getting pelted with stuff.
I was going to get a clear vinyl bra but spent the money on the wheels and tires instead. :lol:
Idk, I just have this one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LFKZDWO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The entire light bar setup was like $80. It's not DOT legal and is bright as fuck.
(https://i.imgur.com/JH60VHa.jpg)
Yeah I don't get it... :(
Shame. It's actually probably the only vehicle (other than maybe a McLaren) that can pull off orange. I think it looks pretty darn good, especially with the dark trims and wheel combo you got.
I'm glad to see you back!
Love your car. I have the previous generation Crosstrek. The new generation (your car) is in all ways better. Looks better and is better insulated against engine/road/wind drone. I like the orange color a lot. Mine is khaki. I haven't had any chipping paint issues.
Older Crosstreks which were manual transmission had a 5 speed which is geared very low. I'm often pedal to the metal going uphill or on highway on ramps which is quite fun. It's slow for sure but to me isn't annoyingly slow. What is annoying is driving at 3500 rpm going 80 mph. Unless the radio is on, the engine drone gets tiresome.
Love you wheel tire combo. I was seriously considering getting mine lifted 1.5" because it looks awesome on this car with bigger tires than the stock tires but decided against it because I don't off-road it and dynamically, it would just make the car worse on the highway which is where I usually drive. I have close to 40 thousand miles on the odometer in a year and a half. Gas mileage sucks for a smaller car at around 23-25 mpg but I get why. It's AWD and geared low and I'm often on the highway going 70-80 mph.
Anyways I dig your car and am glad to see your posts again.
Very nice car!
I have recently gotten some seat time in both a new Crosstrek and new Impreza, unfortunately both with the CVT rather than the manual.
I liked both. I agree the Crosstrek is slow (particularly compared to the cars I have owned recently), but I thought it was fine as a daily driver. The AWD lets it get off the line quick at least and the paddle shifters on the CVT model are surprisingly responsive when shifting. I love the exterior design (although the Crosstrek my mom bought is white, the orange is way better IMHO) and the interior is pretty nice (mom's is the two tone black/beige leather interior with orange stitching) as well. Plenty of space for passengers and without taking out a tape measure I would guess the hatch area is bigger than my Golf.
Overall though I liked the Impreza hatchback that my brother bought better. Even with the same engine it felt much quicker (presumably lighter) and handled better (presumably because it was lower to the ground). The interior was almost as nice (just plain black leather) and it felt like it had just as much interior space as the Crosstrek, even in the hatch area. The exterior looked a lot nicer in person than it does in pictures (IMHO). The obvious caveat here is that I doubt I would ever take either car offroad so for me personally the extra ground clearance isn't worth anything (and is actually a drawback). If you are going offroad a lot I suspect weight penalty is actually a reasonable trade off.
FWIW I also got to see a slew of WRX's and STI's when I went with my brother to pick up his car. I thought they also looked a lot better in person. And maybe it was just the color scheme, but the nicest looking of the bunch was a black on black (with black wheels) WRX. I know it is tradition but I was not actually a fan of the bronze wheels they had on most of the STI models.
PS. Both cars above are too new to notice any paint or oil burning issues. My mom bought her Crosstrek but my brother's Impreza is only a 1 year lease (employee program, super cheap as a 1 year lease with 20,000 miles). I'll have to mention the oil thing to my mom, but will probably be me or my brother keeping an eye on the engine oil. She has driven mostly Toyota's (and most recently an Acura TSX) and TBH she is not diligent when it comes to car maintenance.
The only difference between the Crosstrek and Impreza hatch is some body cladding and ride height/suspension tuning, so interior space is exactly the same.
Lol, it's not often someone posts about his new car and complains about it, and everyone else is defending it. :lol:
Crosstrek plug in hybrid should be a bit more nippy. Just upgrade.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 15, 2018, 10:45:36 PM
Thanks! It does have 8.7" of ground clearance... over 10" with a lift!
I will admit I'm coming off as pretty negative, but overall the car is pretty nice. For being an awkward looking CUV thingy it looks pretty nice IMO and for being a lifted economy car it's surprisingly great off road. I was able to hang with a group of people who were convinced I wouldn't make it up a particular trail.
It's also comfortable on road but despite the A/T tires and high ground clearance it drives surprisingly well, and the manual is pretty fun to drive. The pedals are spaced well for some heel-toe action and it's awesome being able to just drive over any bumps and curbs that I want. I just get a little peeved that it's both slower and burns more oil than my 32 year old Mister Two. :rage: :lol:
That's sweet. Good adventure rig.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 15, 2018, 10:49:48 PM
Burns oil? WTF
Not uncommon. C/D's long term GT350 burns a quart every ~500-1000 miles in regular driving, so at 10,000 mile OICs and 10 quart capacity (?). IIRC they have oil consumption issues with their Cayman as well.
My last three Japanese cars haven't burned a drop (or, at least, not that one could tell from the dip stick), and I've kept each till 140k-150k miles with plenty o' hard driving; that is my baseline of acceptability.
Quote from: GoCougs on May 16, 2018, 09:00:19 AM
Not uncommon. C/D's long term GT350 burns a quart every ~500-1000 miles in regular driving, so at 10,000 mile OICs and 10 quart capacity (?). IIRC they have oil consumption issues with their Cayman as well.
My last three Japanese cars haven't burned a drop (or, at least, not that one could tell from the dip stick), and I've kept each till 140k-150k miles with plenty o' hard driving; that is my baseline of acceptability.
Rags bought this car new in November.
If my car started burning oil within six months of ownership, I'd be livid.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 16, 2018, 09:17:50 AM
Rags bought this car new in November.
If my car started burning oil within six months of ownership, I'd be livid.
Most manufacturer's have an allowable limit on what is deemed acceptable consumption for a new vehicle (e.g. .5 qt per 3000 miles). While most new vehicles don't consume noticeable quantities of oil, it's not supremely rare to encounter one that does drink a little oil right from the factory. Seems more common in high performance engines, but can happen with any. QR25 Nissan's were notorious for burning oil out of the box.
Awesome assault wagon! How's the shifter feel? I heard early models were vague and "tractor-ish", have they improved it any?
And what sort of MPGs are you seeing with the aftermarket wheels & tires?
Hah. We have the same tires. :rockon:
Quote from: MX793 on May 16, 2018, 09:23:21 AM
Most manufacturer's have an allowable limit on what is deemed acceptable consumption for a new vehicle (e.g. .5 qt per 3000 miles). While most new vehicles don't consume noticeable quantities of oil, it's not supremely rare to encounter one that does drink a little oil right from the factory. Seems more common in high performance engines, but can happen with any. QR25 Nissan's were notorious for burning oil out of the box.
I have heard of some manufacturers saying that up to 1 quart per 1000 miles is acceptable.
Quote from: veeman on May 16, 2018, 06:15:54 AM
I'm glad to see you back!
Love your car. I have the previous generation Crosstrek. The new generation (your car) is in all ways better. Looks better and is better insulated against engine/road/wind drone. I like the orange color a lot. Mine is khaki. I haven't had any chipping paint issues.
Older Crosstreks which were manual transmission had a 5 speed which is geared very low. I'm often pedal to the metal going uphill or on highway on ramps which is quite fun. It's slow for sure but to me isn't annoyingly slow. What is annoying is driving at 3500 rpm going 80 mph. Unless the radio is on, the engine drone gets tiresome.
Love you wheel tire combo. I was seriously considering getting mine lifted 1.5" because it looks awesome on this car with bigger tires than the stock tires but decided against it because I don't off-road it and dynamically, it would just make the car worse on the highway which is where I usually drive. I have close to 40 thousand miles on the odometer in a year and a half. Gas mileage sucks for a smaller car at around 23-25 mpg but I get why. It's AWD and geared low and I'm often on the highway going 70-80 mph.
Anyways I dig your car and am glad to see your posts again.
Thanks! :)
I was very close to buying a 2017 in either Khaki or Hyper Blue, but the 6 speed in the 2018 felt so much better. The 6 speed is geared much, much shorter though, which is great off road but makes it even slower on road since you have to immediately go for 2nd gear. I kind of like the front end of your car more than mine but the 6 speed sold it for me.
Quote from: MX793 on May 16, 2018, 09:23:21 AM
Most manufacturer's have an allowable limit on what is deemed acceptable consumption for a new vehicle (e.g. .5 qt per 3000 miles). While most new vehicles don't consume noticeable quantities of oil, it's not supremely rare to encounter one that does drink a little oil right from the factory. Seems more common in high performance engines, but can happen with any. QR25 Nissan's were notorious for burning oil out of the box.
It ate half a quart between 5k and 10k miles. It's not terrible but I hope it goes away and doesn't get worse.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on May 16, 2018, 10:10:59 AM
Awesome assault wagon! How's the shifter feel? I heard early models were vague and "tractor-ish", have they improved it any?
And what sort of MPGs are you seeing with the aftermarket wheels & tires?
Thanks! Shifter feels amazing compared to the old 5 speed, which felt very vague and rubbery.
I'm getting 20 mpg due to the roof box and LED bar mainly. :(
Supercharge it?
(http://cdn8.bigcommerce.com/s-ueto8axwjf/images/stencil/500x659/products/365/2046/SMARTTUNE-SUBARU__65494.1520365660.jpg?c=2)
Stage II Chipset, $150.
Quote from: Rich on May 16, 2018, 12:19:21 PM
Supercharge it?
Again, a newish car under full warranty, and (I assume) under lein. Supercharge it. Give your head a shake. :lol:
"Stage II" on a N/A motor? (Nah.)
I think the best car Subaru ever built was the 3rd gen Outback XT 5MT - perfect size, great utility, good performance. Real shame they don't do anything like that now:
(http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/attachments/gallery/12006d1177674004-our-new-toy-2008-outback-xt-subpost1.jpg)
It is. I hope they put the Ascent's motor in the next Outback.
Quote from: CALL_911 on May 16, 2018, 12:51:12 PM
It is. I hope they put the Ascent's motor in the next Outback.
Subaru is ditching the H6 for the 2.3T
Quote from: Rockraven on May 16, 2018, 12:34:13 PM
Again, a newish car under full warranty, and (I assume) under lein. Supercharge it. Give your head a shake. :lol:
SportySpin Vol. II
Quote from: 68_427 on May 16, 2018, 02:21:56 PM
Subaru is ditching the H6 for the 2.3T
Thank god, that thing needs to die. Cool motor in theory, but not that cool in practice.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 16, 2018, 02:21:56 PM
Subaru is ditching the H6 for the 2.3T
Now, pair that with a 6-speed manual and decent trim levels, and VIOLA! Enthusiast special Outback XT is revived!
Quote from: GoCougs on May 16, 2018, 12:47:06 PM
"Stage II" on a N/A motor? (Nah.)
I think the best car Subaru ever built was the 3rd gen Outback XT 5MT - perfect size, great utility, good performance. Real shame they don't do anything like that now:
(http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/attachments/gallery/12006d1177674004-our-new-toy-2008-outback-xt-subpost1.jpg)
I was looking at those before I bought the Crosstrek. Manual ones are rare and expensive, and they had issues with the filters in the banjo bolts for the turbos clogging and killing the turbo. The earlier ones also had issues with the cat in the downpipe disintegrating and killing the turbo and engine that way, so they had their share of problems (typical of most Subarus).
Quote from: MrH on May 16, 2018, 02:46:20 PM
Now, pair that with a 6-speed manual and decent trim levels, and VIOLA! Enthusiast special Outback XT is revived!
Subaru is probably ditching all manual transmissions in the future because they want to put EyeSight on everything. :(
Quote from: GoCougs on May 16, 2018, 12:47:06 PM
(http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/attachments/gallery/12006d1177674004-our-new-toy-2008-outback-xt-subpost1.jpg)
One of my most favorite body styles.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 16, 2018, 10:50:39 AM
The 6 speed is geared much, much shorter though, which is great off road but makes it even slower on road since you have to immediately go for 2nd gear.
My 1978 wagon had an ultra-short 1st gear too. Couldn't go over 10mph, and often 2nd gear starts were better.
I assume it's for the off-road shenanigans. Not quite a true low range but close enough for most work.
(novice-tip: wire a clutch start bypass in case you ever get into something really really sticky, so you can use the starter for VERY BRIEF bumps uphill) :mask:
Quote from: GoCougs on May 16, 2018, 12:47:06 PM
"Stage II" on a N/A motor? (Nah.)
I think the best car Subaru ever built was the 3rd gen Outback XT 5MT - perfect size, great utility, good performance. Real shame they don't do anything like that now:
(http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/attachments/gallery/12006d1177674004-our-new-toy-2008-outback-xt-subpost1.jpg)
Yeah I like those too. I keep an eye on them on Cars....
Quote from: GoCougs on May 16, 2018, 12:47:06 PM
"Stage II" on a N/A motor? (Nah.)
I think the best car Subaru ever built was the 3rd gen Outback XT 5MT - perfect size, great utility, good performance. Real shame they don't do anything like that now:
(http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/attachments/gallery/12006d1177674004-our-new-toy-2008-outback-xt-subpost1.jpg)
Right, because NA engines don't use a computer to control fuel/air. C'mon.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 15, 2018, 10:41:57 PM
Yeah I don't get it... :(
There were multiple people who showed up on the Utah SCCA Facebook page asking about rules and classing info for their car which had ridiculous lightbars on them and other crap like that, nothing which would help them go fast.
(https://i.imgur.com/lFU5d4k.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/QYMo0Sz.jpg)
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 16, 2018, 11:26:06 PM
There were multiple people who showed up on the Utah SCCA Facebook page asking about rules and classing info for their car which had ridiculous lightbars on them and other crap like that, nothing which would help them go fast.
(https://i.imgur.com/lFU5d4k.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/QYMo0Sz.jpg)
SCCA's rules for what is considered a modification can be a little nonsensical. I'd have to double check the latest rule book, but it used to be that debadging your car would take you out of stock.
Also, that Miata owner wasn't asking about the light bar, but all of the other mods (coilovers, wheels, and wing). Suspension and wheels would put it in street touring. Wing would likely put it in street mod or street prepared.
Quote from: Rockraven on May 16, 2018, 10:21:07 PM
Right, because NA engines don't use a computer to control fuel/air. C'mon.
uh......
More computers: more horsepower.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 15, 2018, 10:41:57 PM
Yeah, a lot of people on the forums and Facebook groups are having issues with the orange paint. The chips started before I even started off roading the car (within a thousand miles), and honestly while off roading the speeds are generally slow enough that the front of my car isn't getting pelted with stuff.
I was going to get a clear vinyl bra but spent the money on the wheels and tires instead. :lol:
Idk, I just have this one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LFKZDWO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The entire light bar setup was like $80. It's not DOT legal and is bright as fuck.
(https://i.imgur.com/JH60VHa.jpg)
Yeah I don't get it... :(
I've been looking at one for a while. How hard was it to setup/instal?
Quote from: Submariner on May 17, 2018, 10:43:15 AM
I've been looking at one for a while. How hard was it to setup/instal?
Not hard at all in my case. I bought my roof box for $100 used so I had no problem drilling holes into it. Amazon sells light bars with different mounting options, so you might want to get one with side brackets instead of top brackets if you want to mount on your roof rack.
I also got this wiring harness:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074GWMRGD/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The harness just routes down the side of the windshield. It fits perfectly so I didn't have to use any glue or anything to get it to fit:
(https://i.imgur.com/3C5B6Q3.jpg)
The hardest part honestly was getting the harness through one of the grommets in the firewall. I also got a different button style switch and mounted that in my fuse box door, and also got some waterproof connectors to connect the light to the harness (so I can remove the light and/or roof box if I want).
PM me if you have any specific questions.
Finally drove/detailed one of these the other day. Nice car, very Subaru (obviously). Can confirm the slowness.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 15, 2018, 07:00:21 PM
Jesus Christ I regret using the word "dangerous" now. :lol:
It was partly exaggeration, partly disbelief that a new car is still this slow. I'm used to slower cars (never even owned anything above 200 hp, hell above even 170 hp), but this is slower than pretty much everything except the Volvo I had.
It also has a problem where it stumbles and stutters at 2500 rpm or so, and stumbles up to about 4000 rpm before it finally gets going, and in this time it's basically not accelerating at all, so yes, I'd still say it's "dangerously" slow when I'm trying to accelerate onto the highway and the engine is stuttering and stumbling. Others have had the same issue as well, but no one knows what's causing it yet, and it doesn't happen often enough for me to be able to replicate it at a dealership.
Also lol @ WRX swapping a new car. I don't have the skill or money to do that even if I wanted to.
Needs a turbo :huh:.