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« Reply #8400 on: October 11, 2017, 06:08:52 am »
It seems like the industry has responded and adapted in kind though... 10 years ago naked bikes were an anomaly; now they are the norm. And they come in all power levels.

I think there is money for toys; look at the supercar boom. They are tripping over themselves in that market. Something else is at play, I think. What the motorcycling industry needs to do is try to normalize itself in the US as it is in Europe. Then again, there are geographic and traffic law differences that further discourage motorcycling here. I'm just scared of motorcycling completely disappearing... most of the bikes at the track day I went to were 10+ years old
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« Reply #8401 on: October 11, 2017, 06:20:41 am »
You're not going to see many newer bikes at track days.  My dad worked in motorcycle sales for a stint before the recession.  Practically everything he sold was financed, meaning mandatory full coverage.  Insurance will drop you if they find out you took your bike to a track.  Also, the expense of repairing a bike for even a low speed incident is not cheap.  10 mph slide out on my Bandit did nearly 2K in damage.  On an older, paid off machine, repair costs will be cheaper and you don't have to carry collision.  The few people I know who do bike track days have a dedicated track bike, generally something older and cosmetically beat up, and a different bike for the street.

You missed my statement about monied riders.  The guys with money to drop on a bike are typically older.  A back-breaking Gixxer isn't going to be their bag.  Repliracers are more a younger man's game and most 20 something's, and even a lot of 30 something's, don't have the cash on hand to buy shiny new bikes at 5-figure prices.  Or the 2-3k per year insurance coverage if they finance the bike.
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« Reply #8402 on: October 11, 2017, 06:40:21 am »
I think even young guys aren't as interested in repli-racers. The whole retro thing is huge. Ducati is seeing a lot of success with their Scrambler brand, and Kawasaki and Yamaha both have plans or have already brought out retro-fied versions of their bikes. Triumph has also been belting out retro hits.

There are parallels to the automotive world to a large degree.... just as most luxury buyers don't give a shit about Ring Tuning and Brembo Brakes™ I feel like most motorcyclists will never see a track. I think the big opportunity for motorcycles in the US is marketing them as lifestyle accessories (sadly). I could totally see people like Raza and Submariner getting bikes to that end. An acquaintance of mine we linked with on our West Coast trip is, as he puts it, "rebuilding a vintage motorcycle" through some expensive workshop... he's exactly the kind of guy who would buy a Scrambler Ducati. And there is money there. I would get something like an XSR700 but I'd rather spend my motorcycling budget on track day rentals. And of course there is the whole cruiser thing which is 100% lifestyle.

But I think the big thing with magazines is missing the shift. They have to shift to more lifestyle stuff vs the track day comparos. Americans don't care about that shit sadly... track day boys are a fringe group
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« Reply #8403 on: October 11, 2017, 09:51:30 am »

But I think the big thing with magazines is missing the shift. They have to shift to more lifestyle stuff vs the track day comparos. Americans don't care about that shit sadly... track day boys are a fringe group
Yup! Maybe i'm getting older but I skip past most of the track related stuff unless it's a compro of RRs. And then I usually just read the lap times. Most of them are so close it's a wash anyway........

As bad as I wanted a S1000RR I think I'm going cruiser in the next couple years! I'll keep the Gixxer (still plenty fast at 10 years old) but I'll be adding a (WTF am I typing) Harley to the stable. I really want a custom chopper but they cost too damn much.........
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« Reply #8404 on: October 11, 2017, 09:59:22 am »
Yup! Maybe i'm getting older but I skip past most of the track related stuff unless it's a compro of RRs. And then I usually just read the lap times. Most of them are so close it's a wash anyway........

As bad as I wanted a S1000RR I think I'm going cruiser in the next couple years! I'll keep the Gixxer (still plenty fast at 10 years old) but I'll be adding a (WTF am I typing) Harley to the stable. I really want a custom chopper but they cost too damn much.........

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« Reply #8405 on: October 11, 2017, 10:02:21 am »
I wouldn't mind some of the forward foot control bikes if my damn hips wouldn't cramp up and lock every time I sat on one.

Those Indian Scouts are so nice. Just so damn uncomfortable. I'd rather be on a repliracer.
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« Reply #8406 on: October 11, 2017, 10:23:52 am »
Yup! Maybe i'm getting older but I skip past most of the track related stuff unless it's a compro of RRs. And then I usually just read the lap times. Most of them are so close it's a wash anyway........

As bad as I wanted a S1000RR I think I'm going cruiser in the next couple years! I'll keep the Gixxer (still plenty fast at 10 years old) but I'll be adding a (WTF am I typing) Harley to the stable. I really want a custom chopper but they cost too damn much.........
We don't do Harleys E. The only cruiser you are allowed to do is an M109R. With a fat tire kit. And a candy paint job :drool: Damn, I might fuck around and get one....
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« Reply #8407 on: October 11, 2017, 10:31:34 am »
We don't do Harleys E. The only cruiser you are allowed to do is an M109R. With a fat tire kit. And a candy paint job :drool: Damn, I might fuck around and get one....

If "we" is referring to to black guys, you may need to rethink that statement. I've seen a good number of African-Americans on Harleys.

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« Reply #8408 on: October 11, 2017, 10:48:50 am »
Insurance industry basically killed the sport bike.  And the bike companies making them too hardcore.  The repliracers are too hardcore for older, monied riders, and too expensive to insure for the younger crew.  By association, the few non-RR sport bike out there also cost a mint to insure.  Now it's all about ADV bikes (and cruisers).


When I did my track day I was talking to one of the instructors/racers and he said the same thing - a lot of sport bikes are just too much for the street where you're never able to even get close to their limits. ("more fun to drive a slow car fast). His daily is a Bandit 1200. Maybe it's just where I'm at, but I don't see sport bikes as often as I used to - nakeds/retro are the most common, followed by ADVs.
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« Reply #8409 on: October 11, 2017, 11:05:58 am »
My next bike might be a larger cruiser or tourer. Something that can tackle the long, straight desert roads
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« Reply #8410 on: October 11, 2017, 12:48:59 pm »
If "we" is referring to to black guys, you may need to rethink that statement. I've seen a good number of African-Americans on Harleys.
Black guys on Harleys is a bad look, unless its a vintage Sporster

M109R chopper is a beautiful bike... that's a "pull up" bike. You don't go anywhere far on it, you just "pull up"

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« Reply #8411 on: October 11, 2017, 01:09:03 pm »
Black guys on Harleys is a bad look, unless its a vintage Sporster

M109R chopper is a beautiful bike... that's a "pull up" bike. You don't go anywhere far on it, you just "pull up"


Looks uncomfortable...and where's the 'bitch' gonna sit?
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« Reply #8412 on: October 11, 2017, 01:42:23 pm »
Looks uncomfortable...and where's the 'bitch' gonna sit?

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« Reply #8414 on: October 11, 2017, 02:47:04 pm »
Black guys on Harleys is a bad look, unless its a vintage Sporster

M109R chopper is a beautiful bike... that's a "pull up" bike. You don't go anywhere far on it, you just "pull up"


Man come to Cleveland (Or Detroit or Philly or Chicago) and ALL you see is Black Bikers on Hogs! They're not ass Snotty as the White Harley riders but they still wont ride with ANY non Harley Bike...... Cruiser or not! SMH! Three of my close riding buddies have switched to cruisers (2 Ultra Glide and 1 Boulevarder) but they still ride with the rest of the Sport bike riders. My other boys/gals that have always rode Hogs won't ride with us at all!

Thats a dope bike! I really don't want a bagger so it will be something along these lines!
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« Reply #8415 on: October 11, 2017, 02:49:58 pm »
WTF?    :ohyeah:
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« Reply #8416 on: October 11, 2017, 03:03:05 pm »
This 2008 Soft Tail caught my eye. But the guy wants 18K for it! Custom Choppers are still priced crazy! I'm in no hurry tho......
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« Reply #8417 on: October 11, 2017, 03:18:56 pm »
I'm not there yet, but I could see myself on something like this:

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« Reply #8418 on: October 12, 2017, 04:27:27 pm »
Last week I bought a pinlock insert for my helmet visor, and wow what a difference! No more fogging. I should have bought one long ago.
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« Reply #8419 on: October 12, 2017, 05:50:29 pm »
Why am I the only dirt rider here.

Edit: Speaking of, my main riding buddy with the KX500 just traded that and his shotgun for a Northstar Caddy. (Probably the most redneck thing Raza has ever heard in his life beyond a Tacoma with a dirtbike in the bed :nutty:)
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« Reply #8420 on: October 12, 2017, 07:53:41 pm »
OK guys, need cheapo tires for the 650 since I used fix-a-flat on the rears and cooked both ends at the track anyway. Only gonna ride in dry warm weather. I didn't mind the PR4s but they are expensive AF ($330 for the set, why?). Any reccomendations?  Ideal would be like $230 or so shipped for the pair. Thinking about BT-023s
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« Reply #8421 on: October 12, 2017, 07:58:26 pm »
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« Reply #8422 on: October 12, 2017, 08:52:40 pm »
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« Reply #8423 on: October 12, 2017, 09:50:03 pm »
Why am I the only dirt rider here.

Edit: Speaking of, my main riding buddy with the KX500 just traded that and his shotgun for a Northstar Caddy. (Probably the most redneck thing Raza has ever heard in his life beyond a Tacoma with a dirtbike in the bed :nutty:)
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« Reply #8424 on: October 13, 2017, 05:56:44 am »
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« Reply #8425 on: October 13, 2017, 07:56:28 am »
Why am I the only dirt rider here.

Edit: Speaking of, my main riding buddy with the KX500 just traded that and his shotgun for a Northstar Caddy. (Probably the most redneck thing Raza has ever heard in his life beyond a Tacoma with a dirtbike in the bed :nutty:)

That is pretty redneck.
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« Reply #8426 on: October 13, 2017, 08:12:22 am »
That is pretty redneck.

Still blows my mind that you think a bike in the bed of a truck is redneck. Do you think only rednecks ride dirtbikes?

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« Reply #8427 on: October 13, 2017, 08:21:32 am »
Still blows my mind that you think a bike in the bed of a truck is redneck. Do you think only rednecks ride dirtbikes?

Yes.
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« Reply #8428 on: October 13, 2017, 08:26:08 am »
Yes.

Do you think all extreme sports are only done by rednecks?  Dirtbiking, snowmobiling, freestyle MTB, snowboarding, etc?

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« Reply #8429 on: October 13, 2017, 10:01:50 am »
OK guys, need cheapo tires for the 650 since I used fix-a-flat on the rears and cooked both ends at the track anyway. Only gonna ride in dry warm weather. I didn't mind the PR4s but they are expensive AF ($330 for the set, why?). Any reccomendations?  Ideal would be like $230 or so shipped for the pair. Thinking about BT-023s

I've run two sets of ContiMotion sport touring tires on my SV with no complaints. Decent mileage and they did fine on the track, too. They run about $70-90 each
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