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Re: Car Chat
« Reply #3360 on: October 09, 2017, 03:31:18 pm »
Those suede/cloth seats look horrible.  I just associate leather with luxury so heavily that seeing that just confuses me so much since the center console and the door trim look fantastic and I don't know if I'm looking at a top of the line Bentley or a lowly Civic.

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« Reply #3361 on: October 09, 2017, 03:33:59 pm »
Those suede/cloth seats look horrible.  I just associate leather with luxury so heavily that seeing that just confuses me so much since the center console and the door trim look fantastic and I don't know if I'm looking at a top of the line Bentley or a lowly Civic.


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« Reply #3362 on: October 09, 2017, 03:59:20 pm »
Those suede/cloth seats look horrible.  I just associate leather with luxury so heavily that seeing that just confuses me so much since the center console and the door trim look fantastic and I don't know if I'm looking at a top of the line Bentley or a lowly Civic.

The suede/cloth La-z-boy recliners are the fucking best. I'd love a set of those in a car.
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Re: Car Chat
« Reply #3363 on: October 09, 2017, 04:36:06 pm »
Those seats are probably upholstered in really high end wool.

But velour...  Velour was the zenith of luxury.
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Re: Car Chat
« Reply #3364 on: October 09, 2017, 04:36:33 pm »
The suede/cloth La-z-boy recliners are the fucking best. I'd love a set of those in a car.
Then buy an old Delta 88 :lol:

Leather is a pretty shitty seating material. Ice cold in the winter, searing hot in the summer, shitty for cows and the environment. I'm OK with cloth or synthetics. The problem with the Crown is it looks like that poverty spec mouse fur that came in the absolute cheapest of the cheap decades ago. IT's weird.

Also big luxury sedans are increasingly irrelevant; this thing is an ideological relic. Toyota needs something to go up against the likes of the Range Rover, GLS etc.
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Re: Car Chat
« Reply #3365 on: October 09, 2017, 04:43:05 pm »
Then buy an old Delta 88 :lol:

Leather is a pretty shitty seating material. Ice cold in the winter, searing hot in the summer, shitty for cows and the environment. I'm OK with cloth or synthetics. The problem with the Crown is it looks like that poverty spec mouse fur that came in the absolute cheapest of the cheap decades ago. IT's weird.

Also big luxury sedans are increasingly irrelevant; this thing is an ideological relic. Toyota needs something to go up against the likes of the Range Rover, GLS etc.

The Century is a limo.  I doubt many are sold to individuals.  They're mostly used to haul around heads of state, diplomats, and other VIPs.
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« Reply #3366 on: October 09, 2017, 04:55:08 pm »
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« Reply #3367 on: October 09, 2017, 09:29:03 pm »
The Century is a limo.  I doubt many are sold to individuals.  They're mostly used to haul around heads of state, diplomats, and other VIPs.

Yeah you can't just go to a Toyota dealer and order a Century like a normal model.  You have to be somebody, and Toyota has a say.  The Century is basically the last car purchase many people make before they die.  In Japanese business tycoon culture there is nothing above the Century.  When you buy a Century you've reached the very top of your field.  You own the fucking place.
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Re: Car Chat
« Reply #3368 on: October 09, 2017, 11:42:21 pm »
Do pickups count?

No, because GM never put Northstar V8s in pickups.

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« Reply #3369 on: October 10, 2017, 06:14:33 am »
No, because GM never put Northstar V8s in pickups.
They never put Northstars in the CTS or Camaro either. I thought you were talking about V8s in general
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« Reply #3370 on: October 10, 2017, 01:20:32 pm »
They never put Northstars in the CTS or Camaro either. I thought you were talking about V8s in general

What I meant—in direct response to FoMoJo—was that they didn't "go back to the simple OHV pushrod": they just stopped making cars with V8s, except for the handful that had the small-block to begin with. Cars that had Northstars were either replaced with successors with V6s (STS, DTS) or weren't replaced at all (XLR). In a sense he was right that they "gave up on the Northstar" but I think that's a mischaracterization considering—as I pointed out earlier—they made Northstar engines for 20 years.

EDIT: Now, they definitely did give up on the 3.5 L V6 based on the Northstar V8, and did the same with the "TwinDualCam" 3.4 L Chevy V6 that powered some of the top-of-the-line W-body cars in the early to mid-'90s. They effecitvely replaced those engines with the supercharged 3.8 L, which in some ways was a definite step backward. Poor product planning ended up fucking GM over in the mid-2000s pre-bankruptcy when they developed the "High Value" (pushrod) and "High Feature" (DOHC) V6s. They never should have made the "High Value" in the first place; they only made them for eight years, and were demonstrably worse than the "High Feature" V6s. Almost every car that had a "High Value" V6 in it—Saturn Aura, Chevy Impala/Monte Carlo, Pontiac G6—had it replaced with the "High Feature" V6 before the end of the model's production run. (The crappy '04-'07 Malibu with the "High Value" V6 was such a dud it was replaced entirely for the 2008 model year.)
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« Reply #3371 on: October 10, 2017, 01:42:26 pm »
With respect to the Toyota Century I think it's cool Toyota still makes such a car, one that hasn't been reimagined in the mould of the prototypical German sports-sedan or ostentatious Rolls-Royces and Bentleys. They are perfectly at peace with the car's design and mission: to appease conservative Japanese businessmen who are unimpressed by cow hide. It's an amusing return to the days of yore when cloth seats were the expensive option whilst leather, and later naugahyde and other such synthetic replacements, were the trappings of cheap base models.

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« Reply #3372 on: October 10, 2017, 01:46:00 pm »
With respect to the Toyota Century I think it's cool Toyota still makes such a car, one that hasn't been reimagined in the mould of the prototypical German sports-sedan or ostentatious Rolls-Royces and Bentleys. They are perfectly at peace with the car's design and mission: to appease conservative Japanese businessmen who are unimpressed by cow hide. It's an amusing return to the days of yore when cloth seats were the expensive option whilst leather, and later naugahyde and other such synthetic replacements, were the trappings of cheap base models.

The pass through front seat footrest is so cool. Such a "fuck you" luxury car.
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« Reply #3373 on: October 11, 2017, 03:51:04 pm »
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Re: Car Chat
« Reply #3374 on: October 11, 2017, 04:06:40 pm »



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« Reply #3375 on: October 12, 2017, 01:48:03 pm »
Now that is quality.



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Re: Car Chat
« Reply #3376 on: October 12, 2017, 03:14:07 pm »
RR layout helps. The surprising part (to me) is that the ignition key still works. I would've thought the wire snapped or got disconnected, since it's gotta run the length of the frame back to the engine.
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Re: Car Chat
« Reply #3377 on: October 12, 2017, 04:10:21 pm »
RR layout helps. The surprising part (to me) is that the ignition key still works. I would've thought the wire snapped or got disconnected, since it's gotta run the length of the frame back to the engine.

He's clearly having issues with the throttle and clutch. Gotta assume both are a tad out of adjustment.
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« Reply #3378 on: October 12, 2017, 04:23:02 pm »
RR layout helps. The surprising part (to me) is that the ignition key still works. I would've thought the wire snapped or got disconnected, since it's gotta run the length of the frame back to the engine.

More impressive to me is that it looks like it's water-cooled, and isn't (visibly) overheating. I would have thought the hoses to the radiator would have popped loose.

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« Reply #3379 on: October 12, 2017, 04:45:56 pm »
Brakes lights still worked too.
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« Reply #3380 on: October 12, 2017, 04:54:26 pm »
More impressive to me is that it looks like it's water-cooled, and isn't (visibly) overheating. I would have thought the hoses to the radiator would have popped loose.

It's not.

The Brazilian models got that goofy black plastic on the front, but they were still aircooled.

Edit; it might be. After 2005 the old flat four was replaced there with an inline 4 with a proper radiator.
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« Reply #3381 on: October 12, 2017, 10:04:58 pm »
Pretty sure the "goofy black plastic on the front" is the distinguishing feature of water-cooled ones...

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« Reply #3382 on: October 13, 2017, 08:11:26 am »
Detailing a Charger today.  Was shuffling cars around the driveway...apparently if the door is open, the transmission automatically goes back into park. 

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« Reply #3383 on: October 13, 2017, 08:14:56 am »
Detailing a Charger today.  Was shuffling cars around the driveway...apparently if the door is open, the transmission automatically goes back into park.

What year is the car? I wonder if it has that because of what happened to Anton Yelchin (if it's the same transmission).
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« Reply #3384 on: October 13, 2017, 08:16:47 am »
What year is the car? I wonder if it has that because of what happened to Anton Yelchin (if it's the same transmission).

It's newer, probably a few years old, only has 48k on it.  A quick Google shows that this feature was integrated as a software update/recall to stop people from leaving their car in gear while exiting the vehicle. ...because the shifter in these things is atrociously non-intuitive.

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« Reply #3385 on: October 13, 2017, 08:23:06 am »
It's newer, probably a few years old, only has 48k on it.  A quick Google shows that this feature was integrated as a software update/recall to stop people from leaving their car in gear while exiting the vehicle. ...because the shifter in these things is atrociously non-intuitive.

Yeah, that's probably a response to his death.
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« Reply #3386 on: October 13, 2017, 08:25:23 am »
Yeah, that's probably a response to his death.

I believe it was for Fiat Chrysler products.  I believe the feature was already used by other makes using the same transmission (BMW, maybe?).
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« Reply #3387 on: October 13, 2017, 08:28:15 am »
Yeah I think BMW has a shifter like this.  Or audi.  Or both.  It sucks.  If you have to put instructions on the screen about how to use the shifter, shouldn't you try a different shifter design?  :shakesfist:


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« Reply #3388 on: October 13, 2017, 08:39:58 am »
BMW's is pretty intuitive. Chrysler's has detents that are insecure and vague.

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« Reply #3389 on: October 13, 2017, 09:22:02 am »
It's newer, probably a few years old, only has 48k on it.  A quick Google shows that this feature was integrated as a software update/recall to stop people from leaving their car in gear while exiting the vehicle. ...because the shifter in these things is atrociously non-intuitive.

God help anybody who tried to push one.
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