Car Chat

Started by FoMoJo, August 26, 2014, 05:59:31 AM

2o6

BMW's is pretty intuitive. Chrysler's has detents that are insecure and vague.

Soup DeVille

Quote from: giant_mtb on October 13, 2017, 08:16:47 AM
It's newer, probably a few years old, only has 48k on it.  A quick Google shows that this feature was integrated as a software update/recall to stop people from leaving their car in gear while exiting the vehicle. ...because the shifter in these things is atrociously non-intuitive.

God help anybody who tried to push one.
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giant_mtb

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2017, 09:22:02 AM
God help anybody who tried to push one.

Just pulled it into the garage post-wash and tested it.  Sure enough, if you're in neutral, the moment you let off the brake - whether the engine is running or not - it shifts itself into park.  That's one recall/update I definitely would have skipped. haha

Soup DeVille

Quote from: giant_mtb on October 13, 2017, 10:12:53 AM
Just pulled it into the garage post-wash and tested it.  Sure enough, if you're in neutral, the moment you let off the brake - whether the engine is running or not - it shifts itself into park.  That's one recall/update I definitely would have skipped. haha

So how the hell do you tow it? There's gotta be some sort of over ride.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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2o6

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2017, 10:32:18 AM
So how the hell do you tow it? There's gotta be some sort of over ride.


???


You press neutral. There's a way to put these things in neutral, usually a long-press of the detent or something.



EDIT

Here's the method, at least for when the car is off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHl9_ptzEo

RomanChariot

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2017, 10:32:18 AM
So how the hell do you tow it? There's gotta be some sort of over ride.

He said that it happens whenever the door is open. You have to tow it with the door closed.

That doesn't really help the person that is all alone and needs to push their car off of the road.

2o6

Yes, when I had the Buick Lacrosse rental you just long press the shifter in the neutral detent.


When I worked at BMW, it was the same way, but unfortunately if the car doesn't have battery power or has an issue with the E-shifter....you had to get under the car with a (7mm? I can't remember) socket and undo a linkage.

Soup DeVille

Quote from: RomanChariot on October 13, 2017, 10:45:26 AM
He said that it happens whenever the door is open. You have to tow it with the door closed.

That doesn't really help the person that is all alone and needs to push their car off of the road.

He said whenever it's in neutral and your foot is off the brake it puts itself in park.

But, Kevin showed where the over ride is.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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Cookie Monster

Quote from: RomanChariot on October 13, 2017, 10:45:26 AM
He said that it happens whenever the door is open. You have to tow it with the door closed.

That doesn't really help the person that is all alone and needs to push their car off of the road.

People push their car with the door open? I've always just rolled the window down and closed the door to push from the outside.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2017, 11:37:52 AM
People push their car with the door open? I've always just rolled the window down and closed the door to push from the outside.

How do you jump in to get the brakes when it's time?
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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CaminoRacer

All of this tech solving nonexistent problems and making lots of new ones.
2020 BMW 330i, 1969 El Camino, 2017 Bolt EV

2o6

Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 13, 2017, 12:02:45 PM
All of this tech solving nonexistent problems and making lots of new ones.

Untrue, E-shifters save space over a mechanical shift lever (in theory)

CaminoRacer

True. But you can have an electronic shifter that moves similar to a normal shifter.
2020 BMW 330i, 1969 El Camino, 2017 Bolt EV

Laconian

It'd be really complicated and costly to build an electronic system that supported more degrees of braking force than a simple on-off toggle.

If it's going to be a toggle, then buttons are fine..
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: 2o6 on October 13, 2017, 12:04:56 PM
Untrue, E-shifters save space over a mechanical shift lever (in theory)

Was that a problem before?
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

1975 Honda CB750, 1986 Rebel Rascal (sailing dinghy), 2015 Mini Cooper, 2020 Winnebago 31H (E450), 2021 Toyota 4Runner, 2022 Lincoln Aviator

Soup DeVille

Quote from: Laconian on October 13, 2017, 12:23:07 PM
It'd be really complicated and costly to build an electronic system that supported more degrees of braking force than a simple on-off toggle.

If it's going to be a toggle, then buttons are fine..

You mean like a $50 trailer brake controller?
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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2o6

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2017, 12:30:14 PM
Was that a problem before?

I mean it prolly makes manufacturing easier.

Laconian

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2017, 12:31:05 PM
You mean like a $50 trailer brake controller?

And a lever attached to a rotary encoder with force feedback.
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: 2o6 on October 13, 2017, 12:33:15 PM
I mean it prolly makes manufacturing easier.

Probably; but that makes it a manufacturing concern, not a consumer problem.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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Soup DeVille

Quote from: Laconian on October 13, 2017, 12:33:29 PM
And a lever attached to a rotary encoder with force feedback.

Not necessarily. A lot of heavy equipment has hydraulic brakes with absolutely no feedback.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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Laconian

"True. But you can have an electronic shifter that moves similar to a normal shifter."

I was addressing Alex's point. IMO if you want an electronic approximation of mechanical shifters, it's going to cost money.
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Cookie Monster

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2017, 11:38:30 AM
How do you jump in to get the brakes when it's time?

Reach in and pull the handbrake? :huh:
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R

2o6

Quote from: Laconian on October 13, 2017, 12:40:12 PM
"True. But you can have an electronic shifter that moves similar to a normal shifter."

I was addressing Alex's point. IMO if you want an electronic approximation of mechanical shifters, it's going to cost money.

If you're talking about a PRNDL, I think a great deal of "mechanical" auto gear selectors are just E-shifters with traditional clothes.

CaminoRacer

Yeah, PRNDL cable shifters wouldn't feel much different as an electronic shifter. The friction comes from the shifter itself, not the cable.
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Laconian

Wait. I didn't mean shifter, I meant e-brake. :P

That's what I get for vigorous alt-tabbing to and from my actual work.
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2017, 12:41:32 PM
Reach in and pull the handbrake? :huh:

On a small car with a handbrake? Sure. A bigger one with a foot parking brake? Different story.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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MX793

Speaking of electronic shifters, anybody see that Toyota sport coupe concept with an H pattern automatic shifter?  For all the flack that paddle shifters get from purists for feeling like a video game, do they think this is going to be better received?
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12,000 RPM

Purists are full of shit and don't deserve to be listened to. That said, that solution is a dumb idea. For an auto, nothing beats good paddles
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: Laconian on October 13, 2017, 12:47:41 PM
Wait. I didn't mean shifter, I meant e-brake. :P

That's what I get for vigorous alt-tabbing to and from my actual work.

Oh. Yeah I'm fine with having a button for that. As long as its self adjusting.
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MX793

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
Purists are full of shit and don't deserve to be listened to. That said, that solution is a dumb idea. For an auto, nothing beats good paddles

Yeah, I don't think Toyota gets it.  MT purists enjoy sense of the mechanical connection of the shifter and the gears and cogs.  A Logitec arcade shifter is no better than paddles in this regard, and practically speaking, is less efficient than paddles.  This does nothing to make automatics more appealing to purists.
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