MAZDA SkyActiv-R Sportscar... New RX-7?

Started by Payman, September 30, 2015, 08:13:39 AM

Payman

Mazda is unveiling this at the Tokyo Auto Show next month...


MX793

As part of their agreement with Toyota to sell the Mazda2 as a Scion, Mazda will sell a variant of the FR-S/BRZ, dubbed the MX-4.
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Byteme

Quote from: Rockraven on September 30, 2015, 08:13:39 AM
Mazda is unveiling this at the Tokyo Auto Show next month...



It doesn't look long enough but Mazda did announce last year that they would be selling a two door version of the 6.

Cookie Monster

Quote from: CLKid on September 30, 2015, 08:29:53 AM
It doesn't look long enough but Mazda did announce last year that they would be selling a two door version of the 6.

Those aren't FWD proportions at all.

I'm hoping RX7 but I don't think Mazda has been dumping resources into rotary development...
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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Payman

Well there's no separation of the side glass, so it's definitely just a mock-up. But exciting just the same.

MrH

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Payman

"Okay, as much as Mazda's announcement that it is showing off a mysterious "sports car concept" at the Tokyo auto show desperately cries out for someone, anyone to label the car the next RX-7, there's no evidence to support that. Sure, the shadowy picture certainly appears to show a car that's larger than the MX-5 Miata, and its taillights could echo those of the third-generation RX-7. But that's only speculation.

Or maybe it's not.

Mazda's own CEO seemed to indicate no work on a rotary-powered sports car was underway last year, but maybe things have changed, and just look at the concept! It's long, low, and has the potential to be impossibly gorgeous. From our limited perspective, the mystery show car resembles the result of a tryst between the Maserati Alfieri and the Miata. But that's not necessarily a surprise, as every vehicle Mazda's designers have turned out in the past three years has been attractive.

What's perhaps less obvious is that Mazda continues to work on the rotary engine, toiling away on the smooth-running, high-revving, pistonless powerplant design to make it return decent fuel economy and emissions. Have the company's notoriously clever engineers finally figured out a way? Could this stunning concept car be the vessel to carry the rotary into the 21st century? Will we ever stop speculating about the RX-7's resurrection? The answers to these questions may come as soon as the 2015 Tokyo show next month."

Payman

"Mazda has been teasing us about a new RX-7 for years, to the point where many of us are too skeptical to be strung along on these rumors anymore. Yes, 2017 marks the RX-7's 40th birthday, and yes, 2020 marks Mazda's 100th anniversary. It's true: these are times as good as any to revive a legend.

Mazda announced today that it will be showcasing a brand-new sports car concept at the Tokyo Motor Show later this month. There's a teaser photo of it, above, though it really doesn't provide much information. The low, flat beltline recalls that of the Subaru BRZ/Toyota GT86/Scion FR-S, which could possibly point to a front-engine rear-drive sports car.

The company claims to have attempted to keep as closely to its lineage as possible with this new design. Mazda's sports car history will also play an integral part of the design. While you could imagine these details to match that of an RX-7 successor, that could also be said of a new Miata MX-5. And Mazda has said no words about what sort of engine will be under the hood. Will it be a rotary? A SkyActiv? A SkyActiv Rotary? We just don't know.

Last month, Mazda stated that it was still working on developing the rotary engine to bring it up to par with piston engines. This was also exciting news, but since RX-7 revival rumors have always existed in the realm of the subjective, we're waiting for an actual car with an actual rotary engine before we get ​too ​excited about this one."

12,000 RPM

Strong Cosrmo lineage in the greenhouse

Im not investing any emotions in this though. Remember the NSX
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Payman

From EVO...

"While it seems every carmaker is focusing its efforts on developing crossovers and SUVs, we're pleased to report that Mazda has revealed it'll be bringing something far more evo-friendly to the Tokyo motor show. Though we've just a shadowy teaser image to go by for now, it looks as though the Japanese carmaker has been working on a new concept sports car.

The picture we've been provided with reveals little more than a sleek roofline and coupe-like body, but the news does get better. Because if Mazda's hints are to be taken literally, this new sports car could be powered by a rotary engine – so that means we could be looking at a lightweight, rev-hungry sports car. Exciting stuff.

Unsurprisingly there are no technical specifications as of yet, though the carmaker has at least confirmed the new concept will embody its lineage. And with cars like the involving RX-7 and balanced MX-5 part of that ancestry, it bodes very well for a new Mazda halo car.

If it makes production, the concept could essentially be a successor to the RX-8 (pictured above) - Mazda's last rotary engined production car – which was produced up until 2012. That car's 1.3-litre twin-chamber rotary engine produced a healthy 228bhp at 8200rpm, but admittedly, its thirst for fuel and increasingly stringent emissions regulations ensured its demise.

We'll know more about the new concept when it makes its debut at Mazda's Tokyo motor show press conference on 28 October. The car will be revealed alongside a legend of Mazda's history, the Cosmo Sport 110S (pictured directly above), which was the Japanese carmaker's first ever mass-produced rotary engined car – which only serves to cement our suspicions for the new concept's powertrain.

MrH

If they actually release a new rotary, sign me up.
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Cookie Monster

Quote from: MrH on September 30, 2015, 10:08:19 AM
If they actually release a new rotary, sign me up.

Me too. By the time this thing comes out I'll be in a position to buy a new car, provided this isn't over $50k and doesn't come with electric hybrid assist and a DCT only transmission.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R

Payman

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 30, 2015, 09:34:37 AM
Strong Cosrmo lineage in the greenhouse

Im not investing any emotions in this though. Remember the NSX

Yeah, but the NSX is Honda design... this is Mazda design, and they're on a roll. As for hybrid assist, a rotary hybrid sounds interesting... and logical. It solves the efficiency issue, and a small ~1 litre, 9000 rpm rotary boosted with an electric motor might be pretty cool.

Cookie Monster

Quote from: Rockraven on September 30, 2015, 10:22:13 AM
Yeah, but the NSX is Honda design... this is Mazda design, and they're on a roll. As for hybrid assist, a rotary hybrid sounds interesting... and logical. It solves the efficiency issue, and a small ~1 litre, 9000 rpm rotary boosted with an electric motor might be pretty cool.

Ew, no thanks.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R

Submariner

Quote from: MrH on September 30, 2015, 10:08:19 AM
If they actually release a new rotary, sign me up.

Could a rotary be good enough for current and future EPA regulations?
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Payman

Quote from: thecarnut on September 30, 2015, 10:26:33 AM
Ew, no thanks.

Why not? Such a setup would be efficient and jet turbine smooth.

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Quote from: Rockraven on September 30, 2015, 10:32:20 AM
Why not? Such a setup would be efficient and jet turbine smooth.
tcn runs w/no cat and a straight pipe because racecar :lol:

I think a rotary hybrid with displacement on demand and maybe even turbocharging would be pretty cool. But that sounds like $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Mazda doesn't have the scratch to develop a hybrid system. DoD could work though. That would enable them to go big. Bring back the 4 rotor.
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Cookie Monster

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 30, 2015, 10:42:02 AM
tcn runs w/no cat and a straight pipe because racecar :lol:

:lol:

But yes, I like a car as simple as possible. No extra electric motors, no heavy batteries, etc.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R

MX793

I want a Wankel engine fed by a Wankel compressor as a supercharger.
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Laconian

Agh, the silhouette looks amazing but kind of peniscar-like. Want, in a strange way. :\
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Galaxy

A rotary powered BRZ would be lovely.

Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: MX793 on September 30, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
I want a Wankel engine fed by a Wankel compressor as a supercharger.

Please make this real. I will invest.
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Payman

Quote from: Laconian on September 30, 2015, 10:58:31 AM
Agh, the silhouette looks amazing but kind of peniscar-like. Want, in a strange way. :\

Great... the Miata is feminine, and this looks like a big shiny dick. Lovely.

12,000 RPM

Quote from: Galaxy on September 30, 2015, 11:22:56 AM
A rotary powered BRZ would be lovely.
Just you typing that sentence alone has cost the BRZ a couple thousand sales this year.

RX8 seems like it was close to that concept. Too bad it was a maintenance nightmare
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Payman

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 30, 2015, 12:38:07 PM
Just you typing that sentence alone has cost the BRZ a couple thousand sales this year.

RX8 seems like it was close to that concept. Too bad it was a maintenance nightmare

It wasn't/isn't so much a nightmare for owners who know what they have, and understand and respect the nuances of the car. Terrible car to buy used if the original owner was a thudfuck.


FlatBlackCaddy

Mazda is pretty much the frontrunner when it comes to attainable japanese performance. Whether its a brz clone or the next rx, I'm sure it will be THE best car for the enthusiast in its price range.

That said, I hope its the next rx.

Payman

The proportions are too different for it to have anything to do with the Toyobarus.

68_427

Mazda jumps in on the joint venture between Toyota and BMW
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