$20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?

Started by 12,000 RPM, September 04, 2016, 02:20:39 PM

What would you pick?

2012+ Civic Si
0 (0%)
Focus ST
5 (31.3%)
E90 335i
5 (31.3%)
G35/G37 6MT sedan
5 (31.3%)
Fuck it :huh: Built R18 + turbo kit + drive Demon Civic into a pile of ashes
1 (6.3%)

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12,000 RPM

23MPG highway is a bridge too far starr

Plus I kind of prefer the V6 sound to the V8. And the 350 is only like 1/2 a second slower.... def going to investigate, though its looks in and out haven't aged well at all
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CALL_911



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12,000 RPM

It could be a lot better, but I could live with it.
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IS250 with a stick and some suspension mods?
RWD > FWD
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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Cookie Monster

RWD > FWD
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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12,000 RPM

CTS-V is very interesting. Buddy of mine has one. He says it's kind of like the Z in that mods are so $$$$$$$$$$ he doesn't want to do anything. I do want to throw some parts at this thing. I have to
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68_427

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 05, 2016, 07:25:10 PM
IS250 with a stick and some suspension mods?

No faster than his Civic, MPG is just as bad as the 350, and the 2.5L has sludge/carbon issues.
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Quote from: 68_427 on September 05, 2016, 09:42:02 PM
No faster than his Civic, MPG is just as bad as the 350, and the 2.5L has sludge/carbon issues.

Weren't the sludge issues on Toyota V6s the result of owners who predominantly drove very short trips such that the engine didn't often get up to temp?
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68_427

Never know how the previous owner drove the car, and I doubt they'd remove the valve covers and such for a PPI.
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12,000 RPM

Did the 3.5s have sludge issues?

As suspected the xGR exhaust sounds like Porsche when the bank streams are separated....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cck6nsum4KQ
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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 04:48:02 AM
Did the 3.5s have sludge issues?

As suspected the xGR exhaust sounds like Porsche when the bank streams are separated....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cck6nsum4KQ

V6 Carries had it, and they used the 3.5.
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#41
Where's the Porsche sound in that video?

Even the "dumbed down" or unthusiast F10 5 series felt way more engaging to drive than the Lexus.  I think you'd get bored of it quickly.  I think the chance of you getting bored or falling asleep at the wheel vs you actually enjoying the disconnected driving experience is about 80:20
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12,000 RPM

#42
Damn that is pretty harsh. I am still going to try one. How bad could it be? RWD, 13 sec quarter, 3500lb curb weight??? I have to give it a shot just on principle.

I drove an auto 335i and came away really disappointed. Granted it was in the thick of the summer... but it did not feel like an underrated 300HP at all.

Ultimately the question comes down to speed vs engagement. I can't afford both outside of motorcycles. Civic is showing I may need speed more than engagement in a DD. I think the IS' chassis will be easy to sort out as well. Build would be quick n easy. Tein Street Advance + EDFC, intake, custom exhaust, new pads/rotors/fluid, 19s for da summa with winter wheels on the stockies....

Fuck if this doesn't look 103x better though....

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68_427

Well I've only driven the IS300 (250 here in USA) and the problems weren't with the lack of power.  Maybe I would have noticed if the rest of the car was more confidence inspiring, but it definitely wasn't the first issue I had with the car :lol:
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: MrH on September 06, 2016, 06:57:12 AM
2013+ Lexus IS350

Too $$$$$$$$$$, no faster, same gas mileage. Can't lie though, that interior is worth every $ of that premium. But $35K is an F30 335i 6MT with warranty. No brainer
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Quote from: CALL_911 on September 05, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
I still think the last gen IS looks good

I think it looks as good or better than just about anything in that class right now.

But no manual outside of the IS250. 
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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 05:54:01 AM
Fuck if this doesn't look 103x better though....



Gs look like fat pigs.  Especially lowered ones, where it looks like the back is sagging because it ate all the pies at Thanksgiving dinner.  Besides, do you just want a car that's just like your 350Z but is even more disappointing to drive? 
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: Raza  on September 06, 2016, 07:37:35 AM
GTI, WRX, or Evo X.
GTI is a possibility. AWD cars though, hell no. I left the NE for a reason. WRX is not bad but not really great either. Evo X is the worst of both worlds- the upright stance, looks and refinement of an economy car with the costs, fuel economy and single mindedness of a sports car. Would be even more miserable than the Z for the daily grind.

Quote from: Raza  on September 06, 2016, 07:43:17 AM
Gs look like fat pigs.  Especially lowered ones, where it looks like the back is sagging because it ate all the pies at Thanksgiving dinner.  Besides, do you just want a car that's just like your 350Z but is even more disappointing to drive? 
Z wasn't disappointing to drive. People don't read what I write. My gripes with the Z all stemmed from having to commute in it. No back seat was a PITA for practicality, and the road noise, particularly in the rain, was maddening. Cost of mods at the time was a bit much to swallow as well. Now I can get and align decent coilovers for the G for <$1000, and figure something out with the exhaust. Doesn't need anything beyond that. And while its road noise is still worse than its peers it's much better than the Z and the Civic. It's mainly gambling on 20MPG fuel mileage again that gives me pause
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Just get an SUV and a miata.  Problem solved.
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12,000 RPM

Bike is my Miata, wifey will have SUV, I need something in the middle with straight line authority
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SJ_GTI

if you are thinking of Focus ST and Civic Si than I would definitely test drive a GTI (might be too expensive if you want to get it with the real LSD) and Mazda 3.

If you are seriously thinking about G37 or 335i, I would definitely suggest checking out a 328i. I know I didn't end up going with BMW myself but the 328xi I drove was pretty nice...just not as nice as the S3. If you prefer RWD a 328i might be a perfect fit. Sure it won't be as powerful as a 335i but it is lighter and the engine was plenty powerful IMHO (was fine even with AWD and an automatic).

MrH

Yeah, I actually like that idea more too.  328i with a stick.  You can get a much newer and better equipped one than a 335i.
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12,000 RPM

Maybe an E90. I'd only do turbo 4 in a hot hatch. I want the full BMW experience
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MrH

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 09:27:52 AM
Maybe an E90. I'd only do turbo 4 in a hot hatch. I want the full BMW experience

So you want it to not work most of the time?  Definitely go 335i then :lol:
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SJ_GTI

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 09:27:52 AM
Maybe an E90. I'd only do turbo 4 in a hot hatch. I want the full BMW experience

If you get an E90 328i you can hang out with Char and talk about how shitty VW's are.  :lol:

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12,000 RPM

That is CPO 335i money..... no way in hell
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