The new Supra

Started by Payman, September 07, 2016, 08:34:16 AM

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A BRZ with more engine is what everyone wanted in the first place, and basically what the Supra was in the first place. You guys are just complaining to complain.
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Payman

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2016, 07:12:46 PM
A BRZ with more engine is what everyone wanted in the first place, and basically what the Supra was in the first place. You guys are just complaining to complain.

No, we were teased with an exotic looking Corvette slayer, but it looks like we are instead getting a Japanese pony car. Which I'm sure will be a fine sporty car. The disappointment is that the design has been heavily watered down for production.

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I mean that's life bro... no concept car gets translated 100%

Here is the C7 Stingray concept for example



It is what it is, you've been an enthusiast too long to be surprised by this.
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Quote from: Rockraven on September 07, 2016, 07:59:16 PM
No, we were teased with an exotic looking Corvette slayer, but it looks like we are instead getting a Japanese pony car. Which I'm sure will be a fine sporty car. The disappointment is that the design has been heavily watered down for production.
:hesaid: At least the C7 concept resembles an actual C7! That Supra concept looks NOTHING like these mules running around! To my eye they're not even the same size!
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CaminoRacer

It's not just the styling, it's the performance. Doesn't look like it'll be on the same level at all.
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68_427

Redline is exactly the same as the RC-F.

There is still hope for the 5.0L V8
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BimmerM3

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2016, 05:47:15 PM
You can't tell what it looks like other than the general shape... :wtf: :confused:

Plus it's a 2019 model - it may not even be the final styling.

Rupert

This thread is why I don't get excited about concepts or pre-production hypothesizing. What does the actual car look like, how does the actual car perform, what does the actual car cost.
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Quote from: Rupert on September 08, 2016, 12:09:31 AM
This thread is why I don't get excited about concepts or pre-production hypothesizing. What does the actual car look like, how does the actual car perform, what does the actual car cost.
Is it even coming out.... remember the decade long NSX dick tease.... only for it to wind up being the GT-R's overweight MR cousin.
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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 05:33:18 AM
Is it even coming out.... remember the decade long NSX dick tease.... only for it to wind up being the GT-R's overweight MR cousin.

Yeah it's only 60lbs less, and since it only has 500 "real" ICE horsepower is actually slower than the GT-R despite weighing less, having 3 extra gears, and being rated at a higher total horsepower.
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Don't spoil it bro I'm about to watch it right now.
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MX793

Quote from: 68_427 on September 07, 2016, 10:56:52 PM
Redline is exactly the same as the RC-F.

There is still hope for the 5.0L V8

Reports indicate 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder engines, both likely turbocharged.
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FlatBlackCaddy

Will it be a horizontal 4, purely coincidence of course.

Payman

Maybe they're going back to the old Celica and Celica Supra scheme as the next gen 86?  :hmm:

I'm not fully convinced this is actually the BMW-Toyota collaboration, despite what Jalopnik thinks.

FlatBlackCaddy

Ya, the whole BMW thing doesn't smell right.

Raza

Do you guys see something different from what I see? A heavily camouflaged prototype that may or may not even have the real body under the camo?

You guys are worse than college students, always looking for something to be down on. At least wait for unclad photos before you deem it a failure and just a tarted up Frisbee. 
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MrH

I'm excited for this thing.  This is probably the only car on the horizon (save for the mythical RX-7 that'll never show) that I'm looking forward too.

This is what IHS is showing right now:

Looks like it's being designed out of Munich with BMW and Toyota.  They're going to make it at the Magna Steyr plant in Graz, Austria (contract manufacturer that has assembled a lot of unique cars).

Launch timing isn't until the spring of CY 2019 unfortunately.  Two engine options (2.0L, 16v 4 cylinder, and a 3.0L, 24V, inline 6).  8 speed auto or 6 speed manual.  RWD.
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2019? Will there even be a market for performance cars not named Miata, Corvette, or 911 by then? :(

Specs sound awesome outside of the poopy butt 2.0T I4. They must commit. I'm guessing this is going to be the replacement for the Z4...
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MrH

It's supposed to share a platform with the upcoming Z4/Z5 (whatever they end up calling it).  I didn't see that listed on IHS though.

Yeah, 2019 is a long ways away still.  Kind of an interesting collaboration though.  BMW + Toyota + Magna Steyr.

There is a sports car gap right now I feel like.  You have the FRS/BRZ and miata at the low end battling it out.  The low end muscle cars aren't sports cars IMO.  They're very much rental queens.  But then you have the 400+ hp monsters.

Where are the 370Z competitors?  That car might as well be dead since it's so old, but nothing really occupies that space anymore.
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MX793

Not sure I'd dismiss the low end (non V8) pony cars as nothing more than rental Queens.  They'll run with a 370Z these days.  The S197 V6 Mustang tied the Z car's time around VIR in C&D's hands and did so with a 112 mph top speed governor (meaning it was making up time in the corners).  The newer generations are even more capable.  The lesser models have evolved into pretty capable GT cars. 

Well, maybe not the V6 Challenger, but even the V8 Chally is more of a straight-line bruiser than corner carver.
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Payman

http://youtu.be/0ZSM_tlL_1Y

From Jalop:

The low-slung coupe is a joint project between BMW and Toyota, and is expected to go on sale in either 2018 or 2019. The Supra will share its platform with the upcoming BMW Z5, and is expected to have about 400 hp.

Our tipsters at SupraMKV.com believe this sounds like the expected top-of-the-line performance hybrid V6 engine. Other powertrain options they expect to go on sale include a turbo four-cylinder and a twin-turbo six-cylinder.

Payman

Rental queens? This is one of the best under $35k sounds on the market, and according to tests, one of the best sports bargains period...

http://youtu.be/Qrs0oa-XIV4

MrH

I just can't get behind the V6 pony cars.  Sorry guys :lol:
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Payman

Quote from: MrH on September 20, 2016, 02:02:07 PM
I just can't get behind the V6 pony cars.  Sorry guys :lol:

The heritage is not with V6's, I agree.

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Quote from: MrH on September 20, 2016, 01:29:49 PM
It's supposed to share a platform with the upcoming Z4/Z5 (whatever they end up calling it).  I didn't see that listed on IHS though.

Yeah, 2019 is a long ways away still.  Kind of an interesting collaboration though.  BMW + Toyota + Magna Steyr.

There is a sports car gap right now I feel like.  You have the FRS/BRZ and miata at the low end battling it out.  The low end muscle cars aren't sports cars IMO.  They're very much rental queens.  But then you have the 400+ hp monsters.

Where are the 370Z competitors?  That car might as well be dead since it's so old, but nothing really occupies that space anymore.
There's just no demand. The barrier between fun and practical had been broken down. If something fills the gap it will have to be a lot more extreme than a Z or even this. There's a reason mainstream sports cars are dead but boutique track day specials are multiplying. Only way I'd do another sports car is if it were extreme enough to replace my motorcycle. Outside of that a stickshift 340i with parts will do what these cars do without the day to day headaches
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A 340i with parts will definitely provide day to day headaches :lol:

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Quote from: MrH on September 20, 2016, 10:28:10 PM
A 340i with parts will definitely provide day to day headaches :lol:


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