Can The Kia Stinger Take On The All-Aussie Holden Commodore?

Started by cawimmer430, October 16, 2017, 07:46:02 AM

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Can The Kia Stinger Take On The All-Aussie Holden Commodore?

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The Kia Stinger has sent hearts racing around the world from the moment it was revealed and in Australia, is set to dramatically shake up the industry.

As both the locally-produced Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore are now dead and many manufacturers are turning towards crossovers and SUVs, the Kia Stinger needs to work its way into the hearts and minds of horsepower-loving Australians. Can it do the job?

To find out, Car Advice pitted the twin-turbo V6 variant of the Stinger against the Holden Commodore SS-V Redline, one of the final variants of the all-Aussie Commodore before sales of the re-badged Opel Insignia commence.

Before seeing which of the two is more practical and better to drive on the street, Car Advice conducted a number of performance tests between the two and the results are very, very close.

Which would you pick?


Link: http://www.carscoops.com/2017/10/can-kia-stinger-take-on-all-aussie.html
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FoMoJo

The funny thing about yellow is that it enhances a well designed vehicle but looks like crap on something not so nice.
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Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: FoMoJo on October 16, 2017, 08:44:21 AM
The funny thing about yellow is that it enhances a well designed vehicle but looks like crap on something not so nice.
I agree....
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2o6

I think it's the front fascia that looks off. It looks weird.

Soup DeVille

Quote from: FoMoJo on October 16, 2017, 08:44:21 AM
The funny thing about yellow is that it enhances a well designed vehicle but looks like crap on something not so nice.

That's black you're thinking of.

Yellow is the opposite. It reduce visible reflections making the light lines less important, and the visual impact of the color itself reduces the effect of awkward line.

I mean Jesus, look at the c-pillar on that thing.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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FoMoJo

Quote from: 2o6 on October 17, 2017, 09:39:57 AM
I think it's the front fascia that looks off. It looks weird.
The grille has always be the part of Kia that, imo, looked very cheap.  With this version, there is some improvement.  Eventually, I believe, it will morph into a full-fledged Skoda grille.
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Soup DeVille

Also the front and rear door handles and the taillight almost, but don't quite line up. Creates a confusing and incoherent flow along the side.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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FoMoJo

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 17, 2017, 09:52:31 AM
That's black you're thinking of.

Yellow is the opposite. It reduce visible reflections making the light lines less important, and the visual impact of the color itself reduces the effect of awkward line.

I mean Jesus, look at the c-pillar on that thing.
Compare a yellow Aztek to a black Aztek.  Most people looking at an Aztek get a slight feeling of revulsion.  If it's yellow, they feel like throwing up.

On the other hand, if a car looks good in yellow, it will look good in any colour, but yellow will make it look brilliant.  I consider the 275 GTB, Pantera, first year Escape.
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: FoMoJo on October 17, 2017, 10:02:52 AM
Compare a yellow Aztek to a black Aztek.  Most people looking at an Aztek get a slight feeling of revulsion.  If it's yellow, they feel like throwing up.

On the other hand, if a car looks good in yellow, it will look good in any colour, but yellow will make it look brilliant.  I consider the 275 GTB, Pantera, first year Escape.

That's making ugly look uglier, that's a different story.

Consider your cars in black first. In black it becomes more about the shape than the color.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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FoMoJo

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 17, 2017, 10:06:25 AM
That's making ugly look uglier, that's a different story.

Consider your cars in black first. In black it becomes more about the shape than the color.
There could be something to that.  However, if a car looks good in yellow, it will look good in any colour so my presumption is that yellow has the effect of enhancing beauty while highlighting ugly.

An example...


"The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." ~ Albert Einstein
"As the saying goes, when you mix science and politics, you get politics."

Soup DeVille

Quote from: FoMoJo on October 17, 2017, 10:16:46 AM
There could be something to that.  However, if a car looks good in yellow, it will look good in any colour so my presumption is that yellow has the effect of enhancing beauty while highlighting ugly.

An example...






Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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FoMoJo

Interesting how the colours reflect different lines.  Black absorbs so much.
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Soup DeVille

Well, the lighting is different there too, but to my point, the black accentuates the curves. On this car it also makes the panel gaps disappear, the intake blend in and the chrome pop.

This car would look good in any color, but black shows us why better.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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FoMoJo

Of course I'd take a Pantera in any colour, but yellow makes everything 'pop'. 
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Xer0

The more I see the Kia, the uglier it looks.  Give me the G70 over this every time.

CaminoRacer

Yeah I don't like anything past the front doors of the Kia
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Xer0

C&D review out.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-kia-stinger-gt-33t-awd-test-review

Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 19.9 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 30.5 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.3 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.2 sec @ 108 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 164 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g

Its pretty quick and the numbers all look right, but it still sounds like another almost-great Hyundai/Kia product.  I expect the second generation of this car will be something special since it will be build with input from all the big dogs that they poached from the Germans.

veeman

Kia has the disease which has affected Audi for the longest time and now is an epidemic among many car brands.  Have to put the same damn grill on every vehicle in their line up.  It looked real good when they first put it on the Optima.  The worst example is the Sportage.  The one on this yellow car doesn't bother me.  It's not great looking but it's OK.

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It's OK; the non-sport German cars don't have the details right either. And they cost a lot more.
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veeman

Yellow I don't think is just making great looking cars really pop and ugly looking cars vomit inducing.  Great looking large cars or SUVs mostly don't look good in yellow (like a Mercedes S class or Bentley or Escalade).  Same with fire engine red.  There are exceptions like the FJ Cruiser which looks good in yellow to me and some older muscle cars. 

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Quote from: Xer0 on October 17, 2017, 03:23:51 PM
C&D review out.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-kia-stinger-gt-33t-awd-test-review

Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 19.9 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 30.5 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.3 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.2 sec @ 108 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 164 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g

Its pretty quick and the numbers all look right, but it still sounds like another almost-great Hyundai/Kia product.  I expect the second generation of this car will be something special since it will be build with input from all the big dogs that they poached from the Germans.


Great looking car and pretty impressive performance stats. Win-win.

Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: veeman on October 17, 2017, 06:15:41 PM
Yellow I don't think is just making great looking cars really pop and ugly looking cars vomit inducing.  Great looking large cars or SUVs mostly don't look good in yellow (like a Mercedes S class or Bentley or Escalade).  Same with fire engine red.  There are exceptions like the FJ Cruiser which looks good in yellow to me and some older muscle cars. 
+1   I just had this School Bus/Fire Engine discussion with a friend!
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Xer0

Quote from: Rockraven on October 17, 2017, 06:39:25 PM
Great looking car and pretty impressive performance stats. Win-win.

It can get pricey though.  I think the example C&D tested was like 52K or there-abouts.

MrH

Quote from: Xer0 on October 17, 2017, 03:23:51 PM
C&D review out.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-kia-stinger-gt-33t-awd-test-review

Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 19.9 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 30.5 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.3 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.2 sec @ 108 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 164 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g

Its pretty quick and the numbers all look right, but it still sounds like another almost-great Hyundai/Kia product.  I expect the second generation of this car will be something special since it will be build with input from all the big dogs that they poached from the Germans.


With Kia/Hyundai, they're always one generation away it seems.

Hard pass
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2o6

Since when is 0-60 in 4.6 seconds "bad"?



You guys are insane.

Soup DeVille

Quote from: MrH on October 18, 2017, 09:56:12 AM
With Kia/Hyundai, they're always one generation away it seems.

Hard pass

Still got a bit of rocket couch taste in your mouth?
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