Jeep Cherokee Facelift

[r0tor]

People don't buy 5 seat CUVs to fill the role of 7-8 passenger minivans.

CUVs are popular because they have greater space/utility than sedans and better on road manners and economy than body on frame SUVs

The CRV exists only because people became too self conscious to be seen in a hatchback/wagon/minivan.

They have never had any better practicality then the segment they replaced.  They have always handled worse, road worse, and had worse mileage in exchange for not be seen in a wagon/van.  Up until just recently, the CRV and RAV4 couldn't even send more then 15% of their power to the rear wheels of their "AWD" systems and nobody cares because nobody used them for anything more then light soccer mom duties.

Their existence souly depends on SUVs being "ok" to be seen in.  Nobody who actually needs an SUV for things that SUVs bring to the table (towing, offroading, 4WD) ever look at them.

[r0tor]

No wonder you're so defensive about it.  Also not really sure why this digression began since this is a Cherokee thread, not a Grand Cherokee thread.

Only responding to a bullshit "body on frame" comment.

[Lebowski]

The CRV exists only because people became too self conscious to be seen in a hatchback/wagon/minivan.

They have never had any better practicality then the segment they replaced.  They have always handled worse, road worse, and had worse mileage in exchange for not be seen in a wagon/van.  Up until just recently, the CRV and RAV4 couldn't even send more then 15% of their power to the rear wheels of their "AWD" systems and nobody cares because nobody used them for anything more then light soccer mom duties.

Their existence souly depends on SUVs being "ok" to be seen in.  Nobody who actually needs an SUV for things that SUVs bring to the table (towing, offroading, 4WD) ever look at them.

I'd rather be seen in a hatch or wagon than a CRV

The image as a reason for buying a CRV argument is weird even for someone with your history of being and defending wrong.

All of your criticisms save the awd comment also apply to your JGC, at least the CRV has some interior space, is cheaper, better interior, and vastly better quality, reliability, resale etc.

[r0tor]

And people who buy GCs aren't? I don't think I've ever seen a JGC towing anything and plenty of people have RWD ones outside of the snow belt. You take that away, what's the utility of a JGC over a CR-V?

So when you take away the actual *real advantages* of an actual SUV, it doesn't have anymore ability then a common soccer mom mobile

Brilliant 

[r0tor]

I'd rather be seen in a hatch or wagon than a CRV

The image as a reason for buying a CRV argument is weird even for someone with your history of being and defending wrong.

All of your criticisms save the awd comment also apply to your JGC, at least the CRV has some interior space, is cheaper, better interior, and vastly better quality, reliability, resale etc.

And I'm sure you bought your rugged body on frame SUV for it's rugger 4WD system and great road manners

[giant_mtb]

Only responding to a bullshit "body on frame" comment.

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Jeep doesn't need to make it body on frame or otherwise increase it's off road chops.  No one uses these to actually off-road.

So what is a body on frame 4 Runner going to do offroad that a "uniframe" Grand Cherokee isn't?

Unless I'm not seeing it, you're the one that brought up the GC out of nowhere...

[r0tor]

I'd rather be seen in a hatch or wagon than a CRV

The image as a reason for buying a CRV argument is weird even for someone with your history of being and defending wrong.

All of your criticisms save the awd comment also apply to your JGC, at least the CRV has some interior space, is cheaper, better interior, and vastly better quality, reliability, resale etc.

Wow... another person who strips a real SUV of it's actual real utility and comments it's no better then a slightly lifted station wagon.

Is there a flood in this strange village of terrible thinkers?

[r0tor]

They should make a body-on-frame to go up against the 4Runner, something not so hardcore as the Wrangler.  Seems like the 4Runner has the niche all to itself. (I'm discounting the big Tahoes/Yukons here)

This would be my original comment on the JGC

[Soup DeVille]

I do occasionally see JGCs towing boats. Small boats usually, but I do see them. Camper trailers as well. 

[giant_mtb]

I do occasionally see JGCs towing boats. Small boats usually, but I do see them. Camper trailers as well. 

indeed

[Lebowski]

And I'm sure you bought your rugged body on frame SUV for it's rugger 4WD system and great road manners

I bought the 4Runner as a beater, grocery getter, and dog car. But I've also never said otherwise and am not the one attacking people for buying practical SUVs


How much do you regularly tow with your JGC?

[r0tor]

I bought the 4Runner as a beater, grocery getter, and dog car. But I've also never said otherwise and am not the one attacking people for buying practical SUVs


How much do you regularly tow with your JGC?

You buy sports cars and never use them for their capability and a rugged BOF 4WD SUV and also never use it for it's capability.  Congrats on being a poser.

I bought the JGC for getting through snowstorms, going to Lowe's, hauling the family on vacations, and hitching up a trailer and bike racks.  It's been up to it's uniframe rails in sand, mud, and way above the bumper in snow.  It's towed a bunch of crap.  It's done everything I ever asked of it and has done everything I bought it to do.

[Lebowski]

You buy sports cars and never use them for their capability and a rugged BOF 4WD SUV and also never use it for it's capability.  Congrats on being a poser.

I bought the JGC for getting through snowstorms, going to Lowe's, hauling the family on vacations, and hitching up a trailer and bike racks.  It's been up to it's uniframe rails in sand, mud, and way above the bumper in snow.  It's towed a bunch of crap.  It's done everything I ever asked of it and has done everything I bought it to do.

Actually no, I'm selling a sports sedan I don't use. This may be beyond your comprehension, but selling is the opposite of buying. If I were a poseur I'd finance a Ferrari and say I borrowed the money to invest.

Bikes?  Gougs carries those all the time w/ his G. Lowe's and family trips, yeah a minivan can't do that. "A bunch of crap" isn't very specific. Plenty of passenger cars in snowy climates.  The constant need to chestpound and justify how manly your purchases are in unrelated threads seems pretty poseurish to me.

[r0tor]

Save me the righteous bullshit.  I've bought a sports car and a rugged SUV and have used both to their absolute potential.  My purchases have been grounded in reality, practicality, and financial responsibility.

You could have saved $$$,$$$ on your Vette, M3, and 4Runner purchases with a used Corolla and a seat cover and then actually been able to do your Trump grade financial genius chest pounding.

[12,000 RPM]

r0tor is fucking losing it

PErsonally I think you do all that stuff in the JGC solely for the purpose of justifying the purchase to strangers on the internet. The only thing your JGC can do that a CR-V can't is tow.... which again begs the question what exactly are you towing on a regular basis?

Using the RX-8 to its maximum potential? Trundling in traffic? IIRC you were just saying your commute became a lot shittier in the context of the RX-8's intended purpose. You don't do track days. Where and when are you using the RX-8 as intended? So many questions

[r0tor]

Yea... I drove through blizzards not because I was a manager at a critical power plant and needed to go to work - but because I had to justify my JGC purchase.  I buried the thing in sand not because we love vacationing at the 4WD beaches of OBX, but because I needed to justify my SUV.  The mud... Well yea,no did that because I could.

I would have been helplessly fucked in a CR-V in any of the above.

My RX8 has seen plenty of racing in it's life.  Most of which was not legal - some was.  I suppose I did that though to justify my car purchase.  I love bombing down back roads also to justify my car purchase.

[Laconian]

I would have been helplessly fucked in a CR-V in any of the above.

You would have another kid and drive to Whole Foods more, to justify the purchase.

[r0tor]

You would have another kid and drive to Whole Foods more, to justify the purchase.

Mall crawling bro

[2o6]

This is one of the dumber arguements here at CarSPIN

[giant_mtb]

The only thing your JGC can do that a CR-V can't is tow...

No.  A JGC is  much more capable off road/in inclement weather.  Doesn't the CR-V have a pretty half-assed AWD system?

https://jalopnik.com/looks-like-the-2015-honda-cr-vs-awd-system-doesnt-work-1649969431

And, guys, people aren't towing shit daily unless it's their job. Relax.

[CALL_911]

Yeah... this is old news!

Heh shows how out of the loop I am. Do you still have the 4Runner/M3?

[r0tor]

No.  A JGC is  much more capable off road/in inclement weather.  Doesn't the CR-V have a pretty half-assed AWD system?

https://jalopnik.com/looks-like-the-2015-honda-cr-vs-awd-system-doesnt-work-1649969431

And, guys, people aren't towing shit daily unless it's their job. Relax.

Yea, consumer reports have even shown the CRV / RAV4 can't even hold a candle to a Forrester

https://www.consumerreports.org/video/view/cars/auto-test-track/4503044972001/awd-showdown-subaru-forester-vs-honda-cr-v-vs-toyota-rav4/

I especially appreciate the RAV4 center diff lock that automatically disengages at 25mph

[Laconian]

Yea, consumer reports have even shown the CRV / RAV4 can't even hold a candle to a Forrester

https://www.consumerreports.org/video/view/cars/auto-test-track/4503044972001/awd-showdown-subaru-forester-vs-honda-cr-v-vs-toyota-rav4/

I especially appreciate the RAV4 center diff lock that automatically disengages at 25mph

Ahh, this is a feel-good video for a Subaru owner. Even though I only drive in 4 inches of snow, worst case.

[r0tor]

Ahh, this is a feel-good video for a Subaru owner. Even though I only drive in 4 inches of snow, worst case.

They do still make a decent AWD system for sure - although I would take their older AWD systems that had locking/limited slip differentials over some of their newer systems.

A CR-V/RAV4 has always been a complete joke of an SUV.

[Lebowski]

Heh shows how out of the loop I am. Do you still have the 4Runner/M3?

I'm driving the 4Runner, M3 is sitting in the garage waiting for Rotor's financing to come through.

[Lebowski]

Save me the righteous bullshit.  I've bought a sports car and a rugged SUV and have used both to their absolute potential.  My purchases have been grounded in reality, practicality, and financial responsibility.

Of course you do, and please keep telling us how rugged it is.

You could have saved $$$,$$$ on your Vette, M3, and 4Runner purchases with a used Corolla and a seat cover and then actually been able to do your Trump grade financial genius chest pounding.

Yep, I could have. Just as you could have bought a used Kia Sportage or Subaru Outback that can do every rugged thing you've ever done in your JGC, and with vastly better build quality, reliability, and resale to boot. Same for a used civic in place of the RX8.

FWIW I've never had second thoughts over buying either the C6 or the 4Runner, and even the M3 made sense at the time, and wasn't til ~2+ years after I bought it that I really starting thinking "eh, not sure I'd buy this if making a car buying decision today". 

[r0tor]

Yep, I could have. Just as you could have bought a used Kia Sportage or Subaru Outback that can do every rugged thing you've ever done in your JGC, and with vastly better build quality, reliability, and resale to boot. Same for a used civic in place of the RX8.

Can't tell if your clueless or halarious on either

[r0tor]

I'm driving the 4Runner, M3 is sitting in the garage waiting for Rotor's financing to come through.

Not buying your M3... That thing is bound to have some massive carbon build up issues

[Lebowski]

Not buying your M3

Damnit, when were you going to tell me?  All this time I've been holding it for you.

[r0tor]

DI engine that's never been run hard... That's just asking for massive issues.