If true, BMW has fully lost the plot

[AutobahnSHO]

I´m getting a CR-V because I care what the spin thinks.

[MexicoCityM3]

I would like to go soon. Onslaught, Rich, Tave, we should meet up. Maybe kart after and have copious beer and burgers.

We could go racing online in Forza....

[12,000 RPM]

Im game, my tag is Cool The Kid. Pretty sure the only person here who wouldn't get thrashed is r0tor

[MexicoCityM3]

I´m getting a CR-V because I care what the spin thinks.

Shit, I just read something that is making me doubt my commitment to the excellent CR-V:

http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study

BMW ranked higher than Honda? X1 a honorable mention for dependability? CR-V nowhere to be seen?

Please talk some sense back into me. I just KNOW the CR-V is the only choice. Getting killed by cognitive dissonance! Help!

[MexicoCityM3]

Im game, my tag is Cool The Kid. Pretty sure the only person here who wouldn't get thrashed is r0tor

I'll look you up later. Bring your best jap crap against my bavarian collection of pure excellence, gloriousness and ultimate driving machines.

[12,000 RPM]

Lol, only good BMWs in Forza are the GT3 cars. In A and S class los son comida

I don't know when I will be on next though

[Raza]

I don't disagree there, the douchebag college student image of the Z was part of why I sold it. Everyone else I saw in it made me wince. But I think Raza dry heaves and gets light headed at the thought of DDing something like a BRZ. "If only it had the prestige of a VW "

But yea, me liking how my car looks <> me caring about how it looks to others, even though I do.

Huh?  Maybe you had that argument when it was badged as a Scion, but not Subaru. 

[12,000 RPM]

Huh?  Maybe you had that argument when it was badged as a Scion, but not Subaru. 

It's literally the same car

Maybe BMW should badge them and charge a $10-20K premium on them.

[MexicoCityM3]

It's literally the same car

Maybe BMW should badge them and charge a $10-20K premium on them.

[GoCougs]

M2 has a single turbo and 360hp. Not sucky. One thing BMW can still do well is engines.

Not saying they don't (though IMO they hamstring themselves by clinging to the I6), it's that DCTs are ruling the hi-po roost these days, and it's not because enthusiasts all of a sudden don't want to manually shift their cars.

[r0tor]

Im game, my tag is Cool The Kid. Pretty sure the only person here who wouldn't get thrashed is r0tor

Iirc... Cale is pretty damn fast

[12,000 RPM]

We will see

[Raza]

It's literally the same car

Maybe BMW should badge them and charge a $10-20K premium on them.

Oh, is this the same "I'm above the marketing and advertising doesn't affect me" argument that everyone unconvincingly makes? The fact that Scions were marketed to backwards hat teenagers and people you wouldn't want to be associated with doesn't have any influence on your decision at all, eh?

[2o6]

Oh, is this the same "I'm above the marketing and advertising doesn't affect me" argument that everyone unconvincingly makes? The fact that Scions were marketed to backwards hat teenagers and people you wouldn't want to be associated with doesn't have any influence on your decision at all, eh?

I can't tell the BRZ and FRS apart on the street

[12,000 RPM]

Oh, is this the same "I'm above the marketing and advertising doesn't affect me" argument that everyone unconvincingly makes? The fact that Scions were marketed to backwards hat teenagers and people you wouldn't want to be associated with doesn't have any influence on your decision at all, eh?

Yes

It will be cheaper than the Subaru so I'd probably be more likely to buy it

Nobody said image doesn't matter, it just doesn't keep us up at night like it does to you

[Raza]

Yes

It will be cheaper than the Subaru so I'd probably be more likely to buy it

Nobody said image doesn't matter, it just doesn't keep us up at night like it does to you

How does it keep me up at night? This is your attitude of "anything more than I feel is neurotic and debilitating, anything less is shockingly blasé". I'm just willing to admit how image conscious I am. You still believe advertising doesn't work on you.

[2o6]

How does it keep me up at night? This is your attitude of "anything more than I feel is neurotic and debilitating, anything less is shockingly blasé". I'm just willing to admit how image conscious I am. You still believe advertising doesn't work on you.

It's like saying you wouldn't buy a Dodge Neon because it's a POS, but you'd happily buy a Plymouth Neon

[12,000 RPM]

It's like saying you wouldn't buy a Dodge Neon because it's a POS, but you'd happily buy a Plymouth Neon

Or no Pontiac Vibe, but definitely a Toyota Matrix

Most people cannot tell the difference between a BRZ or FRS

[2o6]

Or no Pontiac Vibe, but definitely a Toyota Matrix

Most people cannot tell the difference between a BRZ or FRS

To be fair, the vibe and matrix did look pretty different outside.

[r0tor]

Subarus have as bad a rep or worse then Scion around here... Saying that, the obvious reason to buy the brz was the interior improvement over the Scion.

[giant_mtb]

Subarus have as bad a rep or worse then Scion around here... Saying that, the obvious reason to buy the brz was the interior improvement over the Scion.

Is everyone driving 2.2/2.5's from the late 90s/early 00s?

[Submariner]

It's like saying you wouldn't buy a Dodge Neon because it's a POS, but you'd happily buy a Plymouth Neon

I'd rather take public transport than drive either of those mobile tumors.

[2o6]

I'd rather take public transport than drive either of those mobile tumors.

Congratulations.

[Raza]

It's like saying you wouldn't buy a Dodge Neon because it's a POS, but you'd happily buy a Plymouth Neon

No, because they both have bad reputations.

[r0tor]

Is everyone driving 2.2/2.5's from the late 90s/early 00s?

It's its mainly people with beat to shit wrxs driving like asshats.  Every cars and coffee in the area is not complete without 50-75 examples of the above showing up.

[Raza]

Or no Pontiac Vibe, but definitely a Toyota Matrix

Most people cannot tell the difference between a BRZ or FRS

Oh, there definitely are reasons to buy a Toyota Matrix over a Pontiac Vibe.

[giant_mtb]

It's its mainly people with beat to shit wrxs driving like asshats.  Every cars and coffee in the area is not complete without 50-75 examples of the above showing up.

Oh, well yeah. The next generation has gotten their hands on them used and destroyed them. Just look at the stancebro world. Shitty used cars with shitty mods.

[12,000 RPM]

No, because they both have bad reputations.

So do BMWs

[MexicoCityM3]

So do BMWs

TRIGGERED

[12,000 RPM]

Let me put it like this

I drive exactly the same in the G as I did in the Z if not worse. In the Z I got pulled over a shit load of times, including once for a DUI check (I passed)

In the G, even all stance boi'd out, nobody bothers me. My last ticket was for an expired tag. So some cars reputations/impressions do have real consequences. What are the tangible consequences of driving a Scion vs a Subaru? To the automotive civilian they are both Scion TCs.