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Title: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 25, 2020, 01:33:51 PM
I had no clue GM did an X-frame in the 50/60/70s, until I saw this BaT post of a '59 Caddy:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1959-cadillac-series-62-convertible-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1959_cadillac_series_62_15900862095d565ef66e7dffL12369-1959-Cadillac-Series-62-002-scaled.jpeg?resize=940%2C626)

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1959_cadillac_series_62_1590085863f9f98764daL12369-1959-Cadillac-Series-62-060-scaled.jpeg?w=620&resize=620%2C413)

Here's more info:
https://www.curbsideclassic.com/automotive-histories/automotive-history-an-x-ray-look-at-gms-x-frame-1957-1970/

(https://i0.wp.com/www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/X-Frame-61-Buick-a.png?resize=1024%2C426&ssl=1)

Looks like side-impact collisions would be sketchier. And overall frame rigidity is questionable compared to a normal style frame. But it seems like they still were the most comfortable, smooth-riding cars for sale.

I believe they used a two-piece driveshaft.
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on June 25, 2020, 02:29:45 PM
So much torsion  :lol:
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: MX793 on June 25, 2020, 03:32:20 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 25, 2020, 02:29:45 PM
So much torsion  :lol:

Torsion frame suspension?
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: FoMoJo on June 25, 2020, 03:53:45 PM
Twist beam?
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: Laconian on June 25, 2020, 03:56:42 PM
Looks like the frame would do absolutely jack in a t-boning scenario. Eeeek.
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: shp4man on June 25, 2020, 04:40:22 PM
Have any of you guys ever driven a '60s era Caddy? Smoooooooooooth.  ;)
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: Morris Minor on June 25, 2020, 08:27:01 PM
People used to die like flies. And as for seatbelts (if any,)... people needed a lot of persuading.

https://youtu.be/BjmEOdl3j1I
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 25, 2020, 10:56:21 PM
All of those early 60's Impalas (that I love) had X Frames! IIRC the Impala got a normal frame in 1965....
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: Morris Minor on June 26, 2020, 05:31:14 AM
Quote from: Laconian on June 25, 2020, 03:56:42 PM
Looks like the frame would do absolutely jack in a t-boning scenario. Eeeek.
There's an account in that article of an Impala (IIRC) that was snapped in two when it hit a tree sideways-on.
The steel they made their cars out of back then... we now use only for crumple zones.
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 26, 2020, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: Morris Minor on June 26, 2020, 05:31:14 AM
There's an account in that article of an Impala (IIRC) that was snapped in two when it hit a tree sideways-on.
The steel they made their cars out of back then... we now use only for crumple zones.

Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that modern steel is both stronger and lighter than the 60s steel. Just because it looks beefy doesn't mean it is!
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: FoMoJo on June 26, 2020, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 26, 2020, 10:12:33 AM
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that modern steel is both stronger and lighter than the 60s steel. Just because it looks beefy doesn't mean it is!
50 plus years of of progress.

50 years prior to the '60s was the original Model T. 
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: MX793 on June 26, 2020, 03:28:58 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 26, 2020, 10:12:33 AM
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that modern steel is both stronger and lighter than the 60s steel. Just because it looks beefy doesn't mean it is!

They had high strength steels then.  They didn't necessarily use them in automobiles, but they existed.
Title: Re: Cadillac/GM X-frame
Post by: RomanChariot on June 26, 2020, 03:40:16 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 26, 2020, 10:12:33 AM
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that modern steel is both stronger and lighter than the 60s steel. Just because it looks beefy doesn't mean it is!

Technically, high strength steel isn't any lighter than base steels. It is stronger so you can use less of it to get a lighter vehicle. Being able to use less of it also allows manufacturers to reduce some of the cost increase of using higher strength steel.