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Title: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 19, 2007, 09:04:34 PM
I'll make this short...

Current outside temp = Hovering around 0c
Location of gfs Integra = My driveway
Reason for Integra in my driveway = Alternator quit
What I found while taking a peek under the hood = High pressure line off the ps pump is leaking on it too.
Part of the sequence of removing the alternator = Remove drivers side driveshaft

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
:lockedup: :lockedup: :lockedup: :lockedup: :lockedup: :lockedup: :lockedup:
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Secret Chimp on December 19, 2007, 09:42:43 PM
My alternator is way the hell up in front of me at the top of the engine bay. What is the driveshaft in the way of on that car?
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: The Pirate on December 19, 2007, 09:44:15 PM
That sucks dude!  Integra driveshafts are relatively easy to remove though, if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Secret Chimp on December 19, 2007, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: The Pirate on December 19, 2007, 09:44:15 PM
That sucks dude!  Integra driveshafts are relatively easy to remove though, if I'm not mistaken.

Not for the side stuck in the hub. I dunno about Civics/Integras, but my hub-side axle nuts come from the factory at 181 lb/ft, and you know it'll take a whole lot more than that to get them off.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: The Pirate on December 19, 2007, 09:51:23 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 19, 2007, 09:48:31 PM
Not for the side stuck in the hub. I dunno about Civics/Integras, but my hub-side axle nuts come from the factory at 181 lb/ft, and you know it'll take a whole lot more than that to get them off.


I've never done one on a Civic (and I can't speak for the Integra), but it's supposedly a breeze (relatively) on the Civic; and the Integra is fairly similar if memory serves.  Your car was also weird in that you needed to do something funky to the suspension to replace the rotor.  I just undid 4 bolts with a cordless impact driver, pulled the rotor off, and popped a new one on when I did my car's brakes.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 19, 2007, 10:12:17 PM
Spindle nut = 134lb-ft.

I've changed both driveshafts on it already, so I have all the proper tools necessary for the job, namely the 32mm socket for the spindle nut and the ball joint puller.

Its not all that hard to remove them, but shit then I'm only half way there.

I've had an incredibly shitty week too, was sick Monday/Tuesday with a wicked fever, haven't really recovered the lost sleep from that. I really don't quite feel 100% again yet and now I've got to look forward to work tomorrow and then coming home to spend at least 2hrs underneath her fucking car in the cold/dark.

I think this is the car getting back at me for last week when I drove it and was thinking that maybe we should just trade it in on something newer.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Champ on December 19, 2007, 10:18:51 PM
Don't let the weather get ya, I pulled my entire interior on the '91 and redid the ignition while it was in the single digits Fahrenheit.

20 minutes at a time.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 19, 2007, 10:34:14 PM
Quote from: Champ on December 19, 2007, 10:18:51 PM
Don't let the weather get ya, I pulled my entire interior on the '91 and redid the ignition while it was in the single digits Fahrenheit.

20 minutes at a time.

Lol, that was like me a couple weeks ago fixing the leak on my Accord.

Its ok when its your own car though...

She tells me as I point out the ps fluid all over the pulley and sprayed on the underside of the hood, "maybe thats what that whining noise was"... I got your whining noise right here...
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 20, 2007, 12:29:27 AM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on December 19, 2007, 10:34:14 PM
Lol, that was like me a couple weeks ago fixing the leak on my Accord.

Its ok when its your own car though...

She tells me as I point out the ps fluid all over the pulley and sprayed on the underside of the hood, "maybe thats what that whining noise was"... I got your whining noise right here...

LOL
My wife won't tell me until after I find and replace failing stuff that it's been making some noise for a while...

Then she asks why I do preventive maintenance -"Why do you need money for that? Just wait until it breaks!"

Until I asked her if she would prefer they do the same for the next jet she's on...
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 20, 2007, 12:12:53 PM
Call her this morning at 9:30a to see if she has gotten parts prices/sources, nope, shes at the mall with her mom.  :heated:

She calls me back later, none of the bone yards have an alternator, what should she do? Um, call about new ones?

Calls me back $275 for the alternator, $150 for the PS line. They should arrive by 4pm.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: S204STi on December 20, 2007, 12:23:58 PM
I feel for ya man, doing any kind of work outside in the cold blows.  I remember just before moving out to colorado having to replace the dipstick tube on my wife's forcus.  The fact that it was raining and 40 out the whole two days it took me in the driveway didn't help.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Tave on December 20, 2007, 12:38:48 PM
I had to change my friend's tire last winter because she either wouldn't/couldn't. Not as involved a process as all the other repairs mentioned, but damn!; spinning lugnuts with your bare hands in sub-freezing temperatures sure is a bitch.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Champ on December 20, 2007, 12:52:02 PM
Quote from: Tave on December 20, 2007, 12:38:48 PM
I had to change my friend's tire last winter because she either wouldn't/couldn't. Not as involved a process as all the other repairs mentioned, but damn!; spinning lugnuts with your bare hands in sub-freezing temperatures sure is a bitch.
They sell gloves.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Tave on December 20, 2007, 12:56:05 PM
Quote from: Champ on December 20, 2007, 12:52:02 PM
They sell gloves.

Which aren't very usefull when you're trying to thread a nut.

Well, at least none that retain warmth.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: etypejohn on December 20, 2007, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: The Pirate on December 19, 2007, 09:44:15 PM
That sucks dude!  Integra driveshafts are relatively easy to remove though, if I'm not mistaken.

Nothing is relatively easy when its 32F outside.   :lol:
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 20, 2007, 03:14:23 PM
I'm pretty sure I've already done at least some damage to my fingers from doing this crap out in the cold.

Topic for a whole 'nother section, but she can kiss my ass, I ain't touching the fucking thing today, and maybe not tomorrow either.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Champ on December 20, 2007, 03:54:39 PM
Quote from: Tave on December 20, 2007, 12:56:05 PM
Which aren't very usefull when you're trying to thread a nut.

Well, at least none that retain warmth.

You use the wrench or socket to put them in.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Tave on December 20, 2007, 04:01:29 PM
Quote from: Champ on December 20, 2007, 03:54:39 PM
You use the wrench or socket to put them in.

That's ineffective, and possibly even more akward than using gloves.

I bet most everyone on the forum threads nuts with their hands after they get the spare on the bolts.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: The Pirate on December 20, 2007, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: etypejohn on December 20, 2007, 02:15:15 PM
Nothing is relatively easy when its 32F outside.   :lol:


Point taken.  :lol:
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: SVT_Power on December 20, 2007, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 20, 2007, 12:29:27 AM
LOL
My wife won't tell me until after I find and replace failing stuff that it's been making some noise for a while...

Then she asks why I do preventive maintenance -"Why do you need money for that? Just wait until it breaks!"

Until I asked her if she would prefer they do the same for the next jet she's on...

:lol:
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 20, 2007, 05:30:21 PM
Quote from: Tave on December 20, 2007, 04:01:29 PM
That's ineffective, and possibly even more akward than using gloves.

I bet most everyone on the forum threads nuts with their hands after they get the spare on the bolts.

To start them for sure, least chance of crossing the threads.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Tave on December 20, 2007, 05:34:11 PM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on December 20, 2007, 05:30:21 PM
To start them for sure, least chance of crossing the threads.

Plus it's a lot quicker. You can spin them down the bolt and hand tighten them in a couple seconds. If you used the wrench/bar for the whole process, it would be very tedious.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Raghavan on December 20, 2007, 06:15:27 PM
Quote from: Tave on December 20, 2007, 12:56:05 PM
Which aren't very usefull when you're trying to thread a nut.

Well, at least none that retain warmth.

I changed the 'cc0rd's spare tire in the middle of a snowstorm with my huge gloves that I use for snowboarding. :huh:
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Tave on December 20, 2007, 06:21:02 PM
Quote from: Raghavan on December 20, 2007, 06:15:27 PM
I changed the 'cc0rd's spare tire in the middle of a snowstorm with my huge gloves that I use for snowboarding. :huh:

Good for you. I didn't say it was impossible, just more clumsy than using your bare hands.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 20, 2007, 10:15:05 PM
Them non-Wyoming wusses just don't get it.    :-)    :-)
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Raghavan on December 20, 2007, 10:16:49 PM
Quote from: Tave on December 20, 2007, 06:21:02 PM
Good for you. I didn't say it was impossible, just more clumsy than using your bare hands.
They are but if I take my hand out of my glove I can't get it back in. :lol:
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: CJ on December 20, 2007, 10:21:32 PM
I changed a tire when it was 108 degrees outside, and got a helluva sunburn.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Raghavan on December 20, 2007, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: CJ on December 20, 2007, 10:21:32 PM
I changed a tire when it was 108 degrees outside, and got a helluva sunburn.
Hahaha, weaksauce white boys.



:evildude:
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: CJ on December 20, 2007, 10:25:06 PM
Hey, at least I don't smell like curry!

:lol:
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Raghavan on December 20, 2007, 10:25:39 PM
Quote from: CJ on December 20, 2007, 10:25:06 PM
Hey, at least I don't smell like curry!

:lol:
Hey! Trep's the one with the stinky backseat, not me! :tounge:
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: CJ on December 20, 2007, 10:27:21 PM
Haha!  SO true!
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: Tave on December 20, 2007, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 20, 2007, 10:15:05 PM
Them non-Wyoming wusses just don't get it.    :-)    :-)

:lol: You're from Evanston, right?

I visited that town for the first time over Halloween. Met some good 'peeps and had a blast in Salt Lake.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 22, 2007, 01:01:10 AM
Quote from: Tave on December 20, 2007, 11:21:59 PM
:lol: You're from Evanston, right?

I visited that town for the first time over Halloween. Met some good 'peeps and had a blast in Salt Lake.
Sounds fun.
Yes, Evanston is still "home"- I've only been back once since 2000 though..  My parents and 2 brothers still live there.

Evanston's nice because you're close enough to SLC or Ogden for what you need but don't have to deal with the big-city thing.

And I've NEVER seen cops on the interstate to either of those, either..  :-)
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 23, 2007, 06:12:53 PM
8 hours on/off on Friday and I've replaced the alternator and the ps line.

As usual, it wasn't the actual part replacement that was difficult, but everything around them.

The ball joint fought back even with my puller tool. Pretty much everything with the suspension put up a fight. There is NO way to remove that alternator without pulling the drive shaft entirely though, so no cutting corners.

PS line wasn't too bad, but had to disconnect quite a few little things to make a path to guide it down into place.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: sparkplug on December 23, 2007, 11:40:14 PM
It's good that your persistence has paid off. Give her a unicycle to ride.

Be sure to replace that old wore out air in your tires.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 24, 2007, 06:47:16 AM
Just imagine the tow/repair bill if you had to have a shop do it and smile.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 24, 2007, 08:18:36 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 24, 2007, 06:47:16 AM
Just imagine the tow/repair bill if you had to have a shop do it and smile.

That thought is what drove me to do it in the first place. Probably saved at least $250 labor doing the alternator and god only knows how much on the PS line, figure at least $100.

On top of almost $500 for parts, ugh...

Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: dazzleman on December 26, 2007, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on December 24, 2007, 08:18:36 AM
That thought is what drove me to do it in the first place. Probably saved at least $250 labor doing the alternator and god only knows how much on the PS line, figure at least $100.

On top of almost $500 for parts, ugh...



I'm pretty impressed that you were able to pull this off, VTEC.  I have struggled to change my own oil, and long since gave up even attempting it.

That you'd do this for your gf in such bad weather, right around Christmas, is even more impressive.  It sounds like true love to me..... :praise:
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 26, 2007, 07:31:19 PM
Pics anyone?

(http://www.ferfolia.net/james/forumpics/integra/stDsc_0146.jpg)

(http://www.ferfolia.net/james/forumpics/integra/stDsc_0150.jpg)

Looking up. Near top left you see the upper alternator bracket. To the right you see the end of the intermediate shaft.
(http://www.ferfolia.net/james/forumpics/integra/stDsc_0152.jpg)
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 26, 2007, 07:34:24 PM
I definitely ruffled something the wrong way while I was in there though. There is a clunk coming from that side over sharp bumps now. I'm sure I'd heard it previously, but I didn't make it any better.

Going to try and get it in to make sure its nothing serious because I don't want to trust my own judgment on something that could result in a suspension failure.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: TheIntrepid on December 26, 2007, 07:57:24 PM
Are those ricey headlights I see, James? ;)
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 26, 2007, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on December 26, 2007, 07:57:24 PM
Are those ricey headlights I see, James? ;)

All factory. All of those Integras have fog lights just to the inside of the headlights.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: TheIntrepid on December 26, 2007, 08:29:30 PM
Oh okay. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: MrH on December 26, 2007, 11:58:54 PM
Quote from: dazzleman on December 26, 2007, 11:15:52 AM
I'm pretty impressed that you were able to pull this off, VTEC.  I have struggled to change my own oil, and long since gave up even attempting it.

That you'd do this for your gf in such bad weather, right around Christmas, is even more impressive.  It sounds like true love to me..... :praise:

The fact that she drives an Integra, and he drives an RSX sounds like true love to me.
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: VTEC_Inside on December 27, 2007, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: MrH on December 26, 2007, 11:58:54 PM
The fact that she drives an Integra, and he drives an RSX sounds like true love to me.

Maybe if the Integra was a stickshift. lol...
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: MrH on December 28, 2007, 02:04:33 AM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on December 27, 2007, 07:04:08 PM
Maybe if the Integra was a stickshift. lol...

Ouch...

Did you tell her "slushies are something to drink, not drive"?
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: L. ed foote on December 28, 2007, 10:22:50 AM
Small cars are fun to drive, a bitch to work on...
Title: Re: !@#%^&#!!$#
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 30, 2007, 03:15:16 AM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on December 26, 2007, 07:34:24 PM
I definitely ruffled something the wrong way while I was in there though. There is a clunk coming from that side over sharp bumps now. I'm sure I'd heard it previously, but I didn't make it any better.

Going to try and get it in to make sure its nothing serious because I don't want to trust my own judgment on something that could result in a suspension failure.
I'm hoping it's just be a bushing or whatever's easy.. 
That's what sucks about taking apart stuff, something that would have been just fine for another year or two feels so relieved at being out it doesn't like going back in, so promptly calls it quits after you finish what you were really fixing in the first place, not that I do run-on sentences or anything....   :-)