My truck is now about 6 years old, so it's time to get a new car. Time frame is sometime in December (Dec 1 is bonus day so sometime after that).
What I'm looking for: A 4-door sedan with a reasonable balance between luxury and sport. I'd prefer a manual, but if I fall in love with a car that is only offered with an auto I can live with that. I plan to get something pretty well loaded, including Nav and satellite radio. Price range is tentatively $30 to $40k, could possibly move up slightly depending on my bonus. I know that's a big range but there is somewhat of a disparity between what I can afford and what I think I should spend (i.e. even if I can afford $45k, that doesn't mean it wouldn't be smarter to spend less than that and save the difference). So, I'm focusing on value for the dollar, I'm not just going to get the absolute best, most expensive car I can afford.
Any comments are welcome, particularly from people who own or have experience with any of the cars below. And don't say "test drive them all and make your own decision". Of course I'm going to test drive everything and of course I'm going to make my own decision, I'm just looking for feedback/opinions here.
What I'm considering:
Acura TSX: Best value out there IMO. Pros: Comes totally loaded for $29k, looks good inside and out. Cons: Probably the most boring car I'm looking at, FWD, small engine. Priced as I'd want it about $29k. Base TSX (which is loaded) plus nav system.
Acura TL: Similar story to the TSX, I like the interior somewhat better than the TSX, but it's a little pricey for a FWD car.
Infiniti G35: I don't love the exterior styling and the interior is among the worst I'm considering. However, the more I think about it the more the G35 makes sense. 298 hp and RWD are hard to argue with. The G35 is probably my top choice right now. Priced as I'd want it $37k (includes destimation of $650). Price is for G35 6 speed manual (includes sport suspension and 18 inch wheels), premium package (6 disc CD changer, sunroof, bluetooth, yada yada yada), nav system, satellite radio.
Audi A4: I like the exterior styling a lot, although I don't like the fact that Audi redesigns the A4 so often (is this going to be the "old" body style 2 years from now?) I'd get it with AWD. Pros are good styling, great interior. Cons are cramped back seat, gets pricey quick once you start adding on options, especially AWD, and I've heard Audi's aren't reliable (not trying to start a Japanese vs. Germans flame war, but my bias is that the Japanese cars listed above are probably the more reliable). Priced as I'd want it about $39k, includes Audi A4 Quattro 6 speed manual, leather (sunroof pckg), premium and tech packages, nav, satellite radio, sport suspension (but does not include the $3k "s line" sport package, which is a ripoff IMO).
3-Series: I'll put it bluntly - I think the 3-series is grossly overpriced. Is the 330i a better car than a G35? Probably. Is it so much better as to warrant a $44k price tag vs. a comparably equipped G35 at more like $36k? Highly unlikely. I will at least give the 3-series a test drive, but it will really have to blow me away to convince me it's worth the money.
Lexus IS350: I just built online, came to ~$39,500, including 18 inch wheels, nav, backup camera (comes w/ the nav, I wouldn't get it otherwise), bluetooth, 13 speaker sound system w/ CD changer. Definately worth a look. Biggest negative is lack of a manual, but if I fall in love with the car that's not a dealbreaker. Also, reviews have said it's disconnected from the road. I'll have to test drive.
Other possibilities/wildcards:
Infiniti M35/M45: I love these cars, but my bonus would have to really surprise on the upside to warrant spending that much.
Acura RL: I wouldn't consider it at MSRP (I'd rather get the M at that price), but someone on C&D recently said '05s are going for as low as $40k. At $40k, the RL is at least worth a look, IMO.
Corvette: Yeah, I know, it has nothing to do with anything else on the list, and I know I said I wanted a 4-door sedan (that's the practical thing to do). But, I'll admit, the thought has entered my mind. I'm 25 and single and realistically could live without 4-doors. Any thoughts with how livable the vette is as a daily driver?
G35 coupe: Similar to above, it's not a 4-door but the thought has entered my mind. Would have to really impress on a test drive compared to the sedan.
One final note: As I test drive cars, I'll edit this original post with additional comments so people don't have to scroll through an entire topic to see them (I'll also make a post noting it so you won't have to constantly re-read this post).
The Vette is incredibly liveable as a daily driver (yes, this is the person looking at a Lotus Elise, but I know people who drive one everyday. They're rather civil, actually).
Best value for money on the market at which you're looking is the G35 sedan 6 speed, hands down. But, it's not the best car, that is the 330i.
If I were you, I'd look at the RX-8. I wrote a quasi-review in my thread in Fastlane, if you want to read it.
I'd give the Volvo S40 and Lincoln LS a look in addition to your current list. And I don't see the 330i as worth the extra money over the 325i anymore, I'd consider the less-expensive 3-Series first.
The S40 T5 AWD can become a very pricey proposition, and though the Lincoln LS is a good car, it's not nearly as exciting as the other cars in the market segment. I really like the LS myself, though I wish the V8 was offered with a manual.
The LS is very underrated IMO. It's no 3-Series, but I'd say it drives better than a G35. And he did say that an automatic would be all right if he really liked the rest of the car. The LS is a nice car if you bother to look at it, and most people just don't.
And the S40 isn't really all that expensive, even with AWD, against an A4 or 3-Series.
QuoteThe LS is very underrated IMO. It's no 3-Series, but I'd say it drives better than a G35.
And he did say that an automatic would be all right if he really liked the rest of the car. The LS is a nice car if you bother to look at it, and most people just don't.
Oh, I know. I was in the passenger seat of one on a small track, with a pretty good driver at the wheel. It is quite a car.
Another oddball choice, what about a Charger RT?
You very well know what I'm going to say.
Personally, 0-60 in the mid-6s is fast enough for me...
QuoteYou very well know what I'm going to say.
Personally, 0-60 in the mid-6s is fast enough for me...
Troll.
RX-8s are faster, cheaper, and more fun to drive than a 325i, and you don't get that "Well I drive a BMW so I'm better than you are, so give me my soy latte!" feeling that Bimmer and Audi drivers (like SJZ3) do.
:P
If you're going to consider a Vette, i'd probably look into that Soltice Mallet conversion for 40k.
QuoteIf you're going to consider a Vette, i'd probably look into that Soltice Mallet conversion for 40k.
After driving around in a Roush for 4 years, I'm sticking with production vehicles. I've had no major problems, but a multitude of very minor problems that have collectively amounted to more of a pain in the ass than I want to deal with.
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
I just got back from test driving a G35 sedan, 330i, and Audi A4. The G35 and 330 were both autos (didn't have any manuals on the lot), and the A4 was a manual.
I have to be honest - I was underwhelmed by the bimmer. Don't get me wrong, it's a great car, but because of it's price premium vs. the G35 I felt like it had to really blow my socks off to be worth my money, and it didn't. It certainly drives very well, and maybe if I had a weekend to play with it on a racetrack I'd notice how it differentiates itself vs. the G35, but based on the 10-15 minute test drive it didn't (differentiate itself). Also, compared to the A4, the bimmer's interior looked cheap. If it was a less expensive car, I'd let that slide (which BTW is why I let it slide on the G35), but at $44k nicely equipped I feel like I shouldn't have to make any compromises.
The G35 performed very well. The interior wasn't great, but wasn't bad either (it's just as good as the bimmer if not better, IMO) and given the overall value of the car I'm willing to tolerate the less than perfect interior. It actually surprised me by how well it handled, the sales woman encouraged me to really drive aggressively and I was impressed. I'd say after the test drive that the G35 remains my top choice at this point.
The A4 (2.0T quattro manual) also performed very well, although I didn't get to push it as hard as I pushed the G35. I was impressed with how smooth the transmission was (but again I didn't get to compare it to a G35 or 3-series manual). I want a manual in my next car (the prelude I had before the truck had one and I loved it), but I haven't driven a manual in a very long time and I was somewhat afraid I'd struggle to get used to it, but the A4 manual was extremely easy to drive, I felt completely comfortable driving it almost immediately. I also was highly impressed with the A4 interior. What I didn't like about the A4, and I alluded to this before, is how the options are packaged and how quickly the price increases as you add options. It turns out, in order to get the Nav system, you need to get the Premium package, plus the "technology" package and a bunch of other shit I don't need. Also, the saleswoman had a hard time finding a car with the options I want (I don't really care at this point since I'm several weeks away from buying, I was just there to get an idea if I liked the car today), but in the end she found a car that did NOT have Nav system and still came out to $38k. $38k for a 2.0 liter w/o nav seems pricey to me, I'm definately going to have to find a better deal than that if I'm going to seriously consider the A4.
QuoteQuoteYou very well know what I'm going to say.
Personally, 0-60 in the mid-6s is fast enough for me...
Troll.
RX-8s are faster, cheaper, and more fun to drive than a 325i, and you don't get that "Well I drive a BMW so I'm better than you are, so give me my soy latte!" feeling that Bimmer and Audi drivers (like SJZ3) do.
:P
Damn right I'm a troll.
Because I've been in and driven a lot of really nice cars. And nothing fit me [personally] better than the 325i.
I just went to audiusa.com to see if I had any better luck configuring the car as I wanted it. It came out to $39,435! Seems a bit pricey. That includes:
A4 2.0T Quattro 6 speed manual
Leather seats (which requires "sunroof package")
$750 for metallic paint
Premium Package (you have to get it to add on anything else I want)
Technology Package (again it's required for nav even though I don't really need anything included in the package)
Bose sound system w/ satellite radio
Nav
Sport suspension
It does not include the "S Line" sport package, which would add another $3k.
I think the A4 just eliminated itself from the running. :angry:
The annoying thing is, it's not the cost of the stuff I actually want that drove the price up. It's all the other shit that's required to get what I want. I would be perfectly willing to go without the sunroof, everything in the "Premium" package except the wheels, everything in the "Technology" package (although bluetooth is nice). Audi just lost a potential customer because of the way they package their options.
:blink: :blink: :blink:
I'll run the S40 T5 FWD and AWD when I have some time, but for now I'd just like to point out that the Lincoln LS V8 is less than that, according to CarsDirect.
QuoteI just went to audiusa.com to see if I had any better luck configuring the car as I wanted it. It came out to $39,435! Seems a bit pricey. That includes:
A4 2.0T Quattro 6 speed manual
Leather seats (which requires "sunroof package")
$750 for metallic paint
Premium Package (you have to get it to add on anything else I want)
Technology Package (again it's required for nav even though I don't really need anything included in the package)
Bose sound system w/ satellite radio
Nav
Sport suspension
It does not include the "S Line" sport package, which would add another $3k.
I think the A4 just eliminated itself from the running. :angry:
The annoying thing is, it's not the cost of the stuff I actually want that drove the price up. It's all the other shit that's required to get what I want. I would be perfectly willing to go without the sunroof, everything in the "Premium" package except the wheels, everything in the "Technology" package (although bluetooth is nice). Audi just lost a potential customer because of the way they package their options.
:blink: :blink: :blink:
Eliminate Nav from your criteria (just for the sake of argument) and that'll save you a bundle on the Audi.
Get the G35, and you'll be happy. :praise:
QuoteThe LS is very underrated IMO. It's no 3-Series, but I'd say it drives better than a G35. And he did say that an automatic would be all right if he really liked the rest of the car. The LS is a nice car if you bother to look at it, and most people just don't.
And the S40 isn't really all that expensive, even with AWD, against an A4 or 3-Series.
My friend knows someone who has a manual LS. It only came with the V6, (its actually faster than an auto V8), and its uber rare. I dont know if they sell it anymore, but you could probably get it for dirt cheap.
I'd for sure look at a 325i, I think you might be able to get one in the 36K pricerange.
Also, Acura TLs arent as expensive as you might think. I believe the only major option is a Nav system, and you can get a manual at no extra charge, IIRC.
If you were in the snow belt I'd lean toward the Acura TL and the G35X and maybe the Audi. But since you're in Florida, RWD is the way to go. I'm going to have to recommend the G35. It's just too hard to beat the value IMO. When our Maxima move out to pasture I'm definately looking seriously at a G35X.
IS?
Have you considered cars like the Legacy GT Limited and Mazdaspeed 6?
QuoteIS?
Yes, I plan on test driving the IS at some point.
QuoteHave you considered cars like the Legacy GT Limited and Mazdaspeed 6?
Not really. I realize they're both nice, but I'm looking for something with more luxury as well as sportiness.
Used CTS-V.
QuoteIf you were in the snow belt I'd lean toward the Acura TL and the G35X and maybe the Audi.? But since you're in Florida, RWD is the way to go.? I'm going to have to recommend the G35.? It's just too hard to beat the value IMO.? When our Maxima move out to pasture I'm definately looking seriously at a G35X.
That's pretty much identical to my line of thinking right now. Cars like the TL and even A4 look competitive next to the G35 until you stop and think about how much the 298hp, RWD combo is worth. TL is a compromise because of FWD, the A4 is a lot of money for a 2.0 4 cylinder plus I have to shell out extra for AWD, not because I want AWD, but because I don't want FWD.
As far as value for the money goes, the G35 and the TSX are the clear winners. From there it's a matter of how much car you want, how much you're willing to spend.
I'll try and make it out for a test drive of the TSX, TL, and Lexus IS (are they on lots yet?) next Saturday, I'm too swamped with work related stuff tomorrow.
Question: As I said earlier, the A4 I tested was a manual and both the G35 and 330 were autos. I really liked the feel of the A4's manual but obviously don't have anything to compare it against. Has anyone here driven the G35 manual? How is it?
QuoteQuestion: As I said earlier, the A4 I tested was a manual and both the G35 and 330 were autos. I really liked the feel of the A4's manual but obviously don't have anything to compare it against. Has anyone here driven the G35 manual? How is it?
You don't have any other dealerships to go and test drive a manual?
Sidebar quesion: XM vs. Sirius satellite radio? Most offer both, they're usually the same price (at least on the car, not sure about the monthly service fee). Anybody have any opinions regarding which has the best content? Does one have a better signal (seems unlikely but worth asking)?
About the other cars mentioned:
Lincoln LS: It's ok, but not really my cup of tea. I'll agree it's underrated, but it's just not for me.
S40 T5 AWD: I just priced it, $34,545, doesn't include nav. Reasonable price, but I'm just not a volvo guy. It might be worth a test drive if I get the time, though.
CTS-V: No. I don't like the CTS. In fact, call me a troll, call me biased, but I really don't like any domestic luxury cars. I'll admit some of them look good, some of them perform well, some have nice features, but when it comes down to it they all have the same hard plastic and tacky looking fake wood that drives me nuts.
EDIT, for Raza:
Ok, I'll think about the RX-8. It hasn't officially made my list of options yet but I'll ponder the idea. FYI, my preference for 4-doors is more for the practicality than for insurance savings.
Charger R/T (screw that, Charger SRT8!, throw the magnum and 300 in the same lot): I have mixed feelings about these cars. On the one hand, 425hp for the price is unbelievable. On the other, they still have the cheesy hard plastic that drives me nuts about most domestics, including my truck. Plus, the styling looks good now, but I just have a feeling that they won't age well. When I was 18-20, I'd probably go nuts over all three of those cars. But now, I don't know, something like a Charger SRT-8 just doesn't seem "grown up" or "professional" or whatever word you want to use, to me, it looks like a car an 18 year old would pick out. I know that sounds stupid though.
Yeah, the 3.2 and the 2.0T come out very similarly priced at higher levels.
What are your thoughts on the RX-8? It is a 4 door, so your insurance won't be too bad.
I haven't driven any G35s, but I've driven two 350Zs, and it's the same transmission. Great shifter, if not a little vague--it's on the light side, if you like that. Though I'm not fond of the clutch, myself. The catch feels quite high, and it doesn't communicate it very well.
QuoteSidebar quesion: XM vs. Sirius satellite radio? Most offer both, they're usually the same price (at least on the car, not sure about the monthly service fee). Anybody have any opinions regarding which has the best content? Does one have a better signal (seems unlikely but worth asking)?
Personally, I'd go for XM on the basis of their 365 day baseball channel and the fact that I don't care for Howard Stern one bit (and I'd hate to pay for him with Sirius when I don't listen to him for free now). But, I don't see myself buying either any time soon. What I
would get, however, is a Bluetooth connection and an iPod hookup.
QuoteQuoteSidebar quesion: XM vs. Sirius satellite radio? Most offer both, they're usually the same price (at least on the car, not sure about the monthly service fee). Anybody have any opinions regarding which has the best content? Does one have a better signal (seems unlikely but worth asking)?
Personally, I'd go for XM on the basis of their 365 day baseball channel and the fact that I don't care for Howard Stern one bit (and I'd hate to pay for him with Sirius when I don't listen to him for free now). But, I don't see myself buying either any time soon. What I would get, however, is a Bluetooth connection and an iPod hookup.
Ah, I didn't think about the ipod via bluetooth. How does that work? You just get an attachment for your ipod that allows wireless connection to the stereo? If that's the case, that definately makes bluetooth more attractive. Check another notch in the G35/TL column. The A4 has bluetooth if you get the tech package that is required for Nav. On the Bimmer, you've gotta get the premium package, which adds $750 (once you already have leather), bringing my as configured 330i to a whopping $44,640.
QuoteQuoteQuoteSidebar quesion: XM vs. Sirius satellite radio? Most offer both, they're usually the same price (at least on the car, not sure about the monthly service fee). Anybody have any opinions regarding which has the best content? Does one have a better signal (seems unlikely but worth asking)?
Personally, I'd go for XM on the basis of their 365 day baseball channel and the fact that I don't care for Howard Stern one bit (and I'd hate to pay for him with Sirius when I don't listen to him for free now). But, I don't see myself buying either any time soon. What I would get, however, is a Bluetooth connection and an iPod hookup.
Ah, I didn't think about the ipod via bluetooth. How does that work? You just get an attachment for your ipod that allows wireless connection to the stereo? If that's the case, that definately makes bluetooth more attractive. Check another notch in the G35/TL column. The A4 has bluetooth if you get the tech package that is required for Nav. On the Bimmer, you've gotta get the premium package, which adds $750 (once you already have leather), bringing my as configured 330i to a whopping $44,640.
Bluetooth is a seriously cool feature, but I think you can get a wired hookup for your iPod in almost any car (I know Mercedes has it available, even for retrofit, I believe). Also, many aftermarket head units offer iPod connections (which is good for me, since the Elise head unit is basically an aftermarket Blaupunkt system).
I'll head over to Apple.com to see if there's a Bluetooth adapter for the iPod.
I can't quite find an iPod Bluetooth adapter. I'll do some phoning during regular hours for you tomorrow. I'd be quite surprised if someone at Apple hasn't been clever enough to think this up yet.
And have you considered an RX-8? I can personally vouch for that car.
QuoteOkay, back from the RX-8.
First, I have to say it was not the most exciting car I've ever driven. The Boxster S is still better to drive, in terms of feedback, handling, and purity, but this is damn close. The seats are very comfortable and supportive, and it's easy to get into the proper driving position. I wish the steering wheel would telescope, but the tilt feature is almost as good.
The interior was shocking--it's so much better than the Nissan 350Z. The plastic on the dash never seems like a cheap slab, the interior actually feels bespoke (even though I spotted some Mazda6 bits in there) compared to the Z car which feels mass produced. Though Tiff complained of the rotary shaped shifter, I found it fit my hand perfectly, the point of the shifter fit great into the space between my thumb and index finger. The rifle grip handbrake is uber-cool, too. There are rotary shapes everywhere, from the front and rear air dams to the front seat headrests. There's even enough rear seat space to put two people for a few hours without hearing complaints.
The ride is firm, but compliant and smooth, never harsh. You're well aware of what's going on underneath, but it never slaps you across the face with it. You could eat highway miles in this car and never think twice about it. Handling is phenomenal, and the car deals with extreme curves with little drama.
The shift action is great, but not the best. It's a little notchy, but the shifts are short and low-effort, but for some reason I had trouble getting it into 3rd gear, and it took me a little while to get used to it. The 350Z, on the other hand is light and effortless, but a litte vague. The clutch is much better and more communicative and easier to modulate than the 350Z's, however, and I think overall, I like the RX-8's transmission better.
For those rotary-doubters out there, there is ample power almost anywhere in the rev band. At 3000rpm in 3rd gear, the car pulls when you step on the gas, no downshift needed. I had the car in pretty bad traffic (Tom probably knows what Roosevelt Boulevard can get like) and never felt like I needed more power. Plus, revving the car is so intoxicating.
Overall, I'd say that this car is a much better dance partner than the Nissan 350Z is, and it's more practical and cheaper to boot.
9000 revs. Now I understand love.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSidebar quesion:? XM vs. Sirius satellite radio?? Most offer both, they're usually the same price (at least on the car, not sure about the monthly service fee).? Anybody have any opinions regarding which has the best content?? Does one have a better signal (seems unlikely but worth asking)?
Personally, I'd go for XM on the basis of their 365 day baseball channel and the fact that I don't care for Howard Stern one bit (and I'd hate to pay for him with Sirius when I don't listen to him for free now). But, I don't see myself buying either any time soon. What I would get, however, is a Bluetooth connection and an iPod hookup.
Ah, I didn't think about the ipod via bluetooth. How does that work? You just get an attachment for your ipod that allows wireless connection to the stereo? If that's the case, that definately makes bluetooth more attractive. Check another notch in the G35/TL column. The A4 has bluetooth if you get the tech package that is required for Nav. On the Bimmer, you've gotta get the premium package, which adds $750 (once you already have leather), bringing my as configured 330i to a whopping $44,640.
Bluetooth is a seriously cool feature, but I think you can get a wired hookup for your iPod in almost any car (I know Mercedes has it available, even for retrofit, I believe). Also, many aftermarket head units offer iPod connections (which is good for me, since the Elise head unit is basically an aftermarket Blaupunkt system).
I'll head over to Apple.com to see if there's a Bluetooth adapter for the iPod.
Yeah, I knew you could get a wired hookup, but that's a hassle. A wireless option via bluetooth would definately be preferred.
As for the RX8, I edited my prior post addressing other cars, I said I'll think about it. For the most part, I'm looking for a car with a usable back seat, I'd really only consider making an exception for a truly remarkable car (like a vette!).
EDIT: Good RX-8 review.
You really can fit adults in the back seat, even though it's only a four place car. My friend, who is 6'2" or something like that fit in the back of one quite comfortably.
Rear legroom is 32.2" opposed to the TSX's 34.2".
EDIT: Thanks about the review. It was just a quick write-up, if I go for a second test drive, I'll be able to give you guys something more extensive.
But trust me, this car's rear seat is very usable.
The Bimmer's got an aux connection, btw. Easy to hook up the iPod.
Damn, I forgot all about the IS! It's probably a little smaller than the G35 but the interior is much nicer and the 3.5L seems like a nice set up. I would also expect quality to be a little better than the Infiniti, but you'll pay a bit more for it.
The RX-8 is a cool car and it would be even better if it had a better mileage and didn't burn so much oil. I just wouldn't buy one.
The RX-8 back seat isn't uncomfortable at all. It's not spacious, but there's enough legroom to be comfortable for a couple of hours imo. Besides, the seats are just awesome. :praise:
QuoteThe Bimmer's got an aux connection, btw. Easy to hook up the iPod.
The Corvette probably does as well (assuming it got the new corporate head unit).
Lebowski: What about a SAAB 9-3 or 9-5?
Also, do you always talk in the 3rd person?? ;)
I have not really listened to XM much, but my dad's car has Sirius and it works very well and the stations play a very good variety of music. Sirius is a client of my dad's, so I would suggest Sirius just because.
QuoteAlso, do you always talk in the 3rd person?? ;)
I'm lost... who is speaking in the third person?
"Lebowski's New Car Thread, Lebowski needs a new car"
Quote"Lebowski's New Car Thread, Lebowski needs a new car"
Oh. Right.
Catman enjoys CarSPIN! :lol:
QuoteCatman enjoys competitive self pleasuring! :lol:
That's more like it.
QuoteQuoteThe Bimmer's got an aux connection, btw. Easy to hook up the iPod.
The Corvette probably does as well (assuming it got the new corporate head unit).
Lebowski: What about a SAAB 9-3 or 9-5?
Lebowski isn't a big fan of the Saab's quirkey styling. Lebowski thinks Saabs are for queers and artsy-fartsy types :lol: :lol: :lol:
I used 3rd person in the thread title so people would know who we were talking about. I may use 3rd person on these boards every once in a while (although I don't think I have other than this thread title) just for shits and giggles, and sort of as a throwback to the real Lebowski ("The Dude Abides"). In real life, I don't ever refer to myself using my real name in the third person. In fact, Lebowski thinks people who refer to themselves in the third person in real life, other than in a joking manner, are huge tools.
QuoteQuoteCatman enjoys competitive self pleasuring! :lol:
That's more like it.
:o :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteCatman enjoys competitive self pleasuring! :lol:
That's more like it.
:o :lol:
:mellow:
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe Bimmer's got an aux connection, btw. Easy to hook up the iPod.
The Corvette probably does as well (assuming it got the new corporate head unit).
Lebowski: What about a SAAB 9-3 or 9-5?
Lebowski isn't a big fan of the Saab's quirkey styling. Lebowski thinks Saabs are for queers and artsy-fartsy types :lol: :lol: :lol:
:angry: :angry: :angry:
I would have to go with Raza on this one, look at the RX-8. I wasn't convinced about it on paper, but I really liked it once I drove it. Great clutch, nice engine, good shifter.
QuoteQuoteAlso, do you always talk in the 3rd person?? ;)
I'm lost... who is speaking in the third person?
Lebowski is. :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteAlso, do you always talk in the 3rd person?? ;)
I'm lost... who is speaking in the third person?
Lebowski is. :lol:
Lebowski, how is Lebowski doing?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe Bimmer's got an aux connection, btw. Easy to hook up the iPod.
The Corvette probably does as well (assuming it got the new corporate head unit).
Lebowski: What about a SAAB 9-3 or 9-5?
Lebowski isn't a big fan of the Saab's quirkey styling. Lebowski thinks Saabs are for queers and artsy-fartsy types :lol: :lol: :lol:
:angry: :angry: :angry:
I would have to go with Raza on this one, look at the RX-8. I wasn't convinced about it on paper, but I really liked it once I drove it. Great clutch, nice engine, good shifter.
I was just kidding about the Saab. They're not for me, but they are nice cars.
I'll look at the RX8, but I'm still highly doubtful I'd seriously consider it. When I mentioned the corvette, I was really talking about maybe a 2% chance I would get something other than a regular four door sedan. So the four doors, particularly G35, TSX, TL, IS350 (A4 and 330 haven't officially been eliminated but they are trailing by a lot), are what I'm focusing my search on.
Oh, also, the RL. I'm somewhat surprised nobody has come out with any information about whether ~$40k is realistic for an '05. Anyone have any information? Was that post on C&D for real or is a $40k RL a pipe dream?
You haven't really given a solid reason why a Saab or Lincoln is not for you. Stereotypes?
Go for a fully loaded Mazdaspeed 6. It comes with a ton of luxury features, and is by no means as harsh as an STi or Evo.
QuoteYou haven't really given a solid reason why a Saab or Lincoln is not for you. Stereotypes?
Personal preference.
QuoteGo for a fully loaded Mazdaspeed 6. It comes with a ton of luxury features, and is by no means as harsh as an STi or Evo.
But it also comes with ugly ass styling and FWD, which he doesn't want.
QuoteQuoteGo for a fully loaded Mazdaspeed 6. It comes with a ton of luxury features, and is by no means as harsh as an STi or Evo.
But it also comes with ugly ass styling and FWD, which he doesn't want.
Last check the Mazdaspeed6 was going to be AWD
QuoteQuoteQuoteGo for a fully loaded Mazdaspeed 6.? It comes with a ton of luxury features, and is by no means as harsh as an STi or Evo.
But it also comes with ugly ass styling and FWD, which he doesn't want.
Last check the Mazdaspeed6 was going to be AWD
Last time I checked, it wasn't ugly either! :o :angry:
Lebowski, if you're interested in saving money, why not consider the IS250? No more "underpowered" than the TSX and just as loaded, plus the added benefits of RWD and Lexus quality/resale. Not to mention it's available with a manual that way.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGo for a fully loaded Mazdaspeed 6.? It comes with a ton of luxury features, and is by no means as harsh as an STi or Evo.
But it also comes with ugly ass styling and FWD, which he doesn't want.
Last check the Mazdaspeed6 was going to be AWD
Last time I checked, it wasn't ugly either! :o :angry:
Disregard him ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGo for a fully loaded Mazdaspeed 6.? It comes with a ton of luxury features, and is by no means as harsh as an STi or Evo.
But it also comes with ugly ass styling and FWD, which he doesn't want.
Last check the Mazdaspeed6 was going to be AWD
Last time I checked, it wasn't ugly either! :o :angry:
Disregard him ;)
Oh, I know, I was just joking. Rag talking about cars is like a homo telling dudes how to pick up women. :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGo for a fully loaded Mazdaspeed 6.? It comes with a ton of luxury features, and is by no means as harsh as an STi or Evo.
But it also comes with ugly ass styling and FWD, which he doesn't want.
Last check the Mazdaspeed6 was going to be AWD
Last time I checked, it wasn't ugly either! :o :angry:
Disregard him ;)
Oh, I know, I was just joking. Rag talking about cars is like a homo telling dudes how to pick up women. :lol:
:lol:
QuoteLebowski, if you're interested in saving money, why not consider the IS250? No more "underpowered" than the TSX and just as loaded, plus the added benefits of RWD and Lexus quality/resale. Not to mention it's available with a manual that way.
I totally agree with that suggestion. From what I've read performance is pretty good and the weight bias is probably better.
QuoteQuoteLebowski, if you're interested in saving money, why not consider the IS250? No more "underpowered" than the TSX and just as loaded, plus the added benefits of RWD and Lexus quality/resale. Not to mention it's available with a manual that way.
I totally agree with that suggestion. From what I've read performance is pretty good and the weight bias is probably better.
:rockon: Oh, yeah and 1 more thing....VENTILATED SEATS. Those'll come in mighty handy for a Floridian.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGo for a fully loaded Mazdaspeed 6.? It comes with a ton of luxury features, and is by no means as harsh as an STi or Evo.
But it also comes with ugly ass styling and FWD, which he doesn't want.
Last check the Mazdaspeed6 was going to be AWD
Last time I checked, it wasn't ugly either! :o :angry:
You tell 'em mark :angry:
;)
If he's going to consider the IS250 he should probably consider the 325i rather than the 330i as well...
QuoteLebowski, if you're interested in saving money, why not consider the IS250? No more "underpowered" than the TSX and just as loaded, plus the added benefits of RWD and Lexus quality/resale. Not to mention it's available with a manual that way.
The TSX is still much cheaper, fully loaded for over $1,500 under the base price of the IS250.
QuoteIf he's going to consider the IS250 he should probably consider the 325i rather than the 330i as well...
That's true.
Also, on the IS250, I'm not sure if it's possible to get one with NAV, unless it has AWD for some reason. So that may throw a wrench in the plans if you were to consider it. Not that AWD is a bad thing, but it adds to the cost and you probably don't need it. Stupid option packages. <_<
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGo for a fully loaded Mazdaspeed 6.? It comes with a ton of luxury features, and is by no means as harsh as an STi or Evo.
But it also comes with ugly ass styling and FWD, which he doesn't want.
Last check the Mazdaspeed6 was going to be AWD
Last time I checked, it wasn't ugly either! :o :angry:
Disregard him ;)
LOL
QuoteQuoteIf he's going to consider the IS250 he should probably consider the 325i rather than the 330i as well...
That's true.
Also, on the IS250, I'm not sure if it's possible to get one with NAV, unless it has AWD for some reason. So that may throw a wrench in the plans if you were to consider it. Not that AWD is a bad thing, but it adds to the cost and you probably don't need it. Stupid option packages. <_<
Isn't the AWD model also auto only?
QuoteQuoteQuoteIf he's going to consider the IS250 he should probably consider the 325i rather than the 330i as well...
That's true.
Also, on the IS250, I'm not sure if it's possible to get one with NAV, unless it has AWD for some reason. So that may throw a wrench in the plans if you were to consider it. Not that AWD is a bad thing, but it adds to the cost and you probably don't need it. Stupid option packages. <_<
Isn't the AWD model also auto only?
Erm, yeah, I forgot about that. :(
Well that settles it Lebowski, no NAV for you! :lol:
IS250 RWD comes out to $31,300 w/ 18 in wheels and summer tires. Doesn't include Nav. I guess it's worth a look, similar to the TSX in that it's a good choice near the low end of my price range.
You can get an IS250 RWD with Nav for around $34K. A 325i would come out to around $1-2K more (w/ iDrive + Nav)
QuoteYou can get an IS250 RWD with Nav for around $34K. A 325i would come out to around $1-2K more (w/ iDrive + Nav)
How are you getting the IS250 RWD w/NAV? It's not possible according to the Lexus site. At least, I don't think it is.
link (http://www.lexus.com/lexusConfigApp/pub/showPackages.do)
QuoteQuoteYou can get an IS250 RWD with Nav for around $34K. A 325i would come out to around $1-2K more (w/ iDrive + Nav)
How are you getting the IS250 RWD w/NAV? It's not possible according to the Lexus site. At least, I don't think it is.
It was possible for me... just build one.
It will let me build a IS250 6MT with nav, but the sticker comes to $38,895, hardly a roaring value especially considering its relatively low hp numbers (granted, the A4 2.0t has less power, but its numbers far exceed what you would think considering its specifications, even a Quattro model should be able to outrun an IS250).
This must have something to do with our zip codes. Availability of certain model types must vary according to that, I guess. This is what I get for choices: link (http://www.lexus.com/lexusConfigApp/pub/showPackages.do)
no nav, and impossible to make it $38K like Tim did.
Yeah, tim... How'd you get 38K?
I got 34...
Lebowski, you really should consider the IS250.
But it IS a bit slow considering you can get even a 325i for similar money (not to mention TL, G35, etc.).
The only option package they had with nav in it:
Navigation System/Mark Levinson? Premium Audio System Package with Additional Options $8,315.00
Navigation System/Mark Levinson? Premium Audio System Package includes Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System with backup camera and Bluetooth? technology, Mark Levinson 14-speaker 300-watt Premium Surround Sound Audio System with 7.1 architecture and in-dash, single feed, six-disc CD/DVD auto-changer.
Additional Options:
- Sport Package
- Intuitive Parking Assist
- Headlamp washers
Toyota has the most screwed up options and packaging by region ever. Trying to get a new Tacoma when they first came out for my dad with everything he wanted was a nightmare. Took a few hours with the dealership just trying to make sense of it all. I think we actually got one from another region in the end.
So what about the Mazdaspeed6, Lebowski?
QuoteIt will let me build a IS250 6MT with nav, but the sticker comes to $38,895, hardly a roaring value especially considering its relatively low hp numbers (granted, the A4 2.0t has less power, but its numbers far exceed what you would think considering its specifications, even a Quattro model should be able to outrun an IS250).
I think you're looking at an IS350.
EDIT: Maybe not, if it's got all that Mark Levinson crap that drives the price up.
Wow, if this is because of zip codes, that's retarded. These are HUGE differences.
QuoteToyota has the most screwed up options and packaging by region ever. Trying to get a new Tacoma when they first came out for my dad with everything he wanted was a nightmare. Took a few hours with the dealership just trying to make sense of it all. I think we actually got one from another region in the end.
So what about the Mazdaspeed6, Lebowski?
Eh, I don't love the Mazda 6.
How do you get the 325 at only $34-$35k, 850? I optioned it out earlier today and it came out more like $39k. I think that included the sport package and metallic paint, though.
QuoteQuoteIt will let me build a IS250 6MT with nav, but the sticker comes to $38,895, hardly a roaring value especially considering its relatively low hp numbers (granted, the A4 2.0t has less power, but its numbers far exceed what you would think considering its specifications, even a Quattro model should be able to outrun an IS250).
I think you're looking at an IS350.
EDIT: Maybe not, if it's got all that Mark Levinson crap that drives the price up.
Nope, it was definitely an IS250.
QuoteHow do you get the 325 at only $34-$35k, 850? I optioned it out earlier today and it came out more like $39k. I think that included the sport package and metallic paint, though.
With sport package, metallic paint, and i-Drive (but no premium package) it came out to around $35K.
But you really don't need the sport package in the Bimmer (unless you really want the bigger rims). So I guess you could substitute that for Premium package.
I don't know about other manufacturers, but BMW is dealing on these things. I got $1500 off of MSRP and mine's a base model.
Audi has incredible lease deals, BTW...
I was able to get something like $360/month with no down payment for a 2.0T worth around $33.5K.
Honestly, it sounds like you want value and the G35 is probably your best bet. It really is amazing how expensive the Bimmer gets with options...
I feel really good about paying under $31K for the 325i.
And honestly, I have yet to drive anything that I really feel matches my 325i in its balance of drive, luxury (the interior in black with wood trim is really audi-esque... it's that impressive), and engine. But that's me, and I am biased.
I just loaded a 325i with every option on the list... $48K.
Yikes!
QuoteToyota has the most screwed up options and packaging by region ever. Trying to get a new Tacoma when they first came out for my dad with everything he wanted was a nightmare. Took a few hours with the dealership just trying to make sense of it all. I think we actually got one from another region in the end.
So what about the Mazdaspeed6, Lebowski?
Agreed. I ordered my Camry from another region to get the features I wanted, and my uncle had his Tacoma shipped in from Utah or some such place to Iowa to get a specific configuration.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt will let me build a IS250 6MT with nav, but the sticker comes to $38,895, hardly a roaring value especially considering its relatively low hp numbers (granted, the A4 2.0t has less power, but its numbers far exceed what you would think considering its specifications, even a Quattro model should be able to outrun an IS250).
I think you're looking at an IS350.
EDIT: Maybe not, if it's got all that Mark Levinson crap that drives the price up.
Nope, it was definitely an IS250.
I just built a 250 RWD Manual with the NAV/premium package combo, and it's $34,420.
Different packages I guess.
From what you have said so far it sounds like the G35 is your best bet. Its definitely the best value for your $$$ if you want RWD/AWD.
That being said I have to ask if you really need the Nav system...? Its a big downside for the A4 IMHO, otherwise I would say an A4 2.0T would be a nice car for you.
I built an A4 2.0T with sunroof/leather package, premium package, tech package, plus sport suspension and headlight washers for 36,360. You should be able to negotiate that to 35k even I would think.
Couple things to keep in mind:
A4 comes standard with 6-disc CD changer (in-dash), 10 speakers + 1 subwoofer, and satellite radio pre-wired. The sound package is a waste of money, and if you get the nav system you lose the in-dash 6-disc CD player anyway.
If you absolutely want a Nav system I would suggest writing the A4 and 3-er (and maybe even the IS) off your list automatically. They will just be bad deals for the money. The G35, TL, and 9-3 are going to be your value leaders in this class.
PS. The above is basically how my car came equipped, nd I didn't order it or anything. Its probably a standard configuration for the A4 2.0T.
If you're gonna get the A4, you gotta get the sport package. Compared to even my ex-'99, the non-sportpackage '06 A4 was very soft and had too much body roll.
I still think the 325i is the car to buy, but if you're looking for NAV and power for a good value, go for the G35.
QuoteIf you're gonna get the A4, you gotta get the sport package. Compared to even my ex-'99, the non-sportpackage '06 A4 was very soft and had too much body roll.
I still think the 325i is the car to buy, but if you're looking for NAV and power for a good value, go for the G35.
A4 doesn't have a sport package anymore. The 17's come with the premium package and the sport suspension is a stand-alone option (250 bucks!). I agree its a "must buy" option...at 250 its really a no-brainer unless you like a floaty ride.
Wow, that's cheap...
What kind of confused me is that we drove a manual version without sport package... I'm thinking that's a combination few would like. If you want a manual A4 you're obviously going for sport.
And I don't know why, but black just doesn't work with Audi interiors.
QuoteWow, that's cheap...
What kind of confused me is that we drove a manual version without sport package... I'm thinking that's a combination few would like. If you want a manual A4 you're obviously going for sport.
And I don't know why, but black just doesn't work with Audi interiors.
The sport package on its own is cheap, but they nail you with all the other options. Either way, I could have sworn I priced an '05 a couple months ago and got it loaded for ~$37k, now a comparably equipped A4 is more like $39k. If you don't care about the gadgety stuff like bluetooth and nav you can probably get away at a reasonably low price, though.
Also, they still sort of have a sport package. It's called the "s-line" package and includes 18 inch wheels, I think everything else is trim related. It's nice, but a ripoff at $3k.
QuoteQuoteWow, that's cheap...
What kind of confused me is that we drove a manual version without sport package... I'm thinking that's a combination few would like. If you want a manual A4 you're obviously going for sport.
And I don't know why, but black just doesn't work with Audi interiors.
The sport package on its own is cheap, but they nail you with all the other options. Either way, I could have sworn I priced an '05 a couple months ago and got it loaded for ~$37k, now a comparably equipped A4 is more like $39k. If you don't care about the gadgety stuff like bluetooth and nav you can probably get away at a reasonably low price, though.
Also, they still sort of have a sport package. It's called the "s-line" package and includes 18 inch wheels, I think everything else is trim related. It's nice, but a ripoff at $3k.
The S-line package isn't new or anyhing. They had it for my model as well. Its basically just an S4 bodykit with larger wheels and firmer suspension. Whether its "worth it" or not is up to any person, but I agree I wouldn't get it.
The "sport package" that I got on my car was larger wheels and a lower/firmer suspension, which is still available, but you would have to get the premium package to get the larger wheels. Personally I think the premium package is worth it. Like I said before the only options I would skip on an A4 would be the Nav and Sound package.
You should be able to get an A4 3.2 6MT for ~38-39k after negotiation IMHO, but again you would have to skip the Nav system.
RX-8 fully loaded with Nav is like 35K.
QuoteRX-8 fully loaded with Nav is like 35K.
Well, mine fully loaded with all the factory body kit parts, etc was actually less than that out of the door. But drive it first... once you go rotary, you'll forget about the other cars. Piston engines are just too crude! :lol:
QuoteQuoteRX-8 fully loaded with Nav is like 35K.
Well, mine fully loaded with all the factory body kit parts, etc was actually less than that out of the door. But drive it first... once you go rotary, you'll forget about the other cars. Piston engines are just too crude! :lol:
The one at the dealership that I drove was 32K, and they were letting me have it for 26K. Not bad at all, if you ask me. No better car out there for 26K.
Well I just got back from my second full day of test driving. Comments:
Acura TSX: Didn't get to drive it - the dealership didn't have a single TSX on the lot. :angry:
Acura TL: Drove it, and it was pretty much as expected (as a side note, I test drove both the TL and TSX about a year ago so I had an idea what to expect). They only had an auto model, so that's what I got stuck driving. I like the interior alot, there's good interior space, a big trunk, and the fit and finish is pretty good. But, I could definately feel the drawbacks of FWD. The bottom line is, I didn't like the way it drives as well as the G35, 3-series, or IS.
As a side note, the only Acura dealership in the area is pretty far away, and it's in the opposite direction from where I work. It's also in a pretty crappy area with lots of traffic. So that is a definate negative, I definately wouldn't want to ever take my car there for service on a morning before work, that would be a huge pain.
Lexus IS250: I could unfortunately only drive the IS250 w/ an auto. The only IS350 on the lot that wasn't sold was "going to a car show" (whatever that means), the guy showing me the car tried to finagle the keys but his boss wouldn't let us take the 350 for a drive. That said, I liked the way it (the IS250) drives, it was a little on the slow side compared to the G35 or 3-series but that problem of course would be fixed with the IS350. The paddle shifters weren't bad - definately not as good as a stick, but not bad. The interior quality is pretty good with a few exceptions like plastic painted to look like metal (which BTW is something I HATE, I hate the addition of anything fake inside a car, including fake wood, but I particularly hate fake metal. How much does aluminum cost? $.90 a lb, that's how much. Wow I'm really glad you saved that $2.50 on a $39k car, Lexus! :angry: ). The front seat is comfortable and has enough room, the back seat is a little on the small side but it's not that bad (I'd say comparable to the A4). The trunk was surprsingly small. One other detail is that the visability out the back isn't very good - the mirrors provide pretty good visability but every time I turned my head to check the blind spot I couldn't see shit. All in all, I'd like to drive the IS350 before making a decision, but so far it's still in the running, I'd say it's about neck and neck with the G35 assuming I decide to go the "practical" route (see below for more on that).
G35 Coupe Manual: The reason I drove this was more to get a feel for the transmission than for the coupe (recall I could only drive the sedan in auto form). I liked the manual, although not as much as the manual in the A4. Driving the car definately reminded me that I like the feel of the G35. Also, since I drove it right after the IS250 auto, it also reminded me how much I like driving a manual. As I said before, the lack of a manual isn't necessarily a deal breaker for the IS, but it's a definate handicap. When I got back to the dealership, the salesman (didn't get the same woman as last time) was a douchebag and tried to talk me into buying a car today even though I told him up front I wasn't going to and then he tried to explain to me why leasing is better than buying even though I told him I don't need any personal finance advice from a fucking car salesman (I was slightly more polite than that, but not much :lol: ). Anyway, that's besides the point - the point is the G35 manual is definately still a major contendor.
Vette Coupe: I had to do it. After testing the G35, I told myself "just go home now, Lebowski", but my truck grew a mind of its own and drove itself over to the Chevy dealership. Honestly, I couldn't stop it. I test drove an '05 silver vette coupe w/ an auto (they didn't have any manuals :angry: Does nobody drive manuals anymore?). I definately liked the vette. It almost made me forget how much I liked the G35 and the IS. The truth is, I should get a 4-door, and the vette is more than I should spend, but I don't absolutely need 4 doors and it's not more than I can spend. It really comes down to how much self control I have. I actually spoke to my dad about it earlier this week and, given that he's usually the voice of reason, I totally expected him to tell me not to consider it, but even he was like "you're only 25 and single once, this is the time to do it". So, it's something to think about. If I did end up getting one, it would probably be a black manual coupe Z51 w/ the competition gray wheels, I'm not sure what options I'd add (nav wouldn't be a must, I'd still probably like a good sound system and satellite radio).
So the bottom line is, the decision at this point is pretty much between the G35 sedan w/ a manual and the IS350, with the vette sort of lingering in the back of my mind wrestling to overcome my self control (and it just might win). Truthfully, my bonus would have to surprise on the upside to seriously consider the vette, and if that happens I may also take a look at the M35/M45. So the thread at this point should primarily focus on the attributes between the G35 vs. the IS350, but any comments attempting to either talk me in or out of getting a vette are also welcome.
Vette :rockon: Just do it. Don't feel bad. Go with your heart. You only live once.
Just forget about practicality and buy whatever is going to get you the most ya-ya's without being too encumbering otherwise. Borrow a friend's wagon if you need to take home a new microwave or something =P
If you can afford a Vette now...do it now...because what if you never have the chance to get one again? :o :rockon:
QuoteHow do you get the 325 at only $34-$35k, 850? I optioned it out earlier today and it came out more like $39k. I think that included the sport package and metallic paint, though.
I configured one the way I'd like (frugally) and came out at $32,665. Alpine white/beige leatherette/walnut trim (no extra cost there), cold weather package for $1000 (need that pass-through), and a $70 rubber trunk mat. The sport package is mostly just wheels and seats, the latter I could get for cheaper via aftermarket if I wanted to, and the former I don't need that badly.
QuoteQuoteHow do you get the 325 at only $34-$35k, 850? I optioned it out earlier today and it came out more like $39k. I think that included the sport package and metallic paint, though.
I configured one the way I'd like (frugally) and came out at $32,665. Alpine white/beige leatherette/walnut trim (no extra cost there), cold weather package for $1000 (need that pass-through), and a $70 rubber trunk mat. The sport package is mostly just wheels and seats, the latter I could get for cheaper via aftermarket if I wanted to, and the former I don't need that badly.
Yeah, I can see that you can get away with a 325 for a reasonable price. My beef with the 3-series is that, IMO a luxury car should have things like leather seats and a good sound system. Plus, since I can have all those things and still have a more powerful engine in a G35, why should I go without them? IMO, the 3-series isn't
that much better than a G35 to warrant either 1) a huge price premium or 2) foregoing all the extras for comparable price.
You might want to give a Legacy 2.5 GT Limited a try. You can option it pretty well and have it come in below a G35.
QuoteQuoteQuoteHow do you get the 325 at only $34-$35k, 850? I optioned it out earlier today and it came out more like $39k. I think that included the sport package and metallic paint, though.
I configured one the way I'd like (frugally) and came out at $32,665. Alpine white/beige leatherette/walnut trim (no extra cost there), cold weather package for $1000 (need that pass-through), and a $70 rubber trunk mat. The sport package is mostly just wheels and seats, the latter I could get for cheaper via aftermarket if I wanted to, and the former I don't need that badly.
Yeah, I can see that you can get away with a 325 for a reasonable price. My beef with the 3-series is that, IMO a luxury car should have things like leather seats and a good sound system. Plus, since I can have all those things and still have a more powerful engine in a G35, why should I go without them? IMO, the 3-series isn't that much better than a G35 to warrant either 1) a huge price premium or 2) foregoing all the extras for comparable price.
The
stock sound system in the 3-Series has 2 subwoofers (Mine sounds better than the Bose Premium in my ex-A4), and the Logic7 is absolutely insane.
BMW Leatherette is nearly identical to BMW leather.
The 3-Series is going to hold its value a lot better than any other car in its class. Look what 2004s are selling for... It's ridiculous.
And it handles better than any other car in its class
without the Sport Package.
:lol:
Of course, if you really want a 0-60 time less than a second faster to 60 (but with 200 more lbs to move), go for the G35.
Just a few opinions from a resident BMW troll who really thinks his 325i was a bargain.
But, of course, there are certain cars that somehow just appeal to us differently (Kind of like how I really would take my 325i over a lot of 'better' cars... I just feel there's nothing I would like more)
Like to note that G35s have very good resale value as well.
My turn to be the voice of reason, I guess. IMO, don't go for the Vette...not right now at least. Obviously a four-door, five-seat car is going to be more practical for you than a two-seater, but that's a given. You've got to consider: what if you want to go somewhere with more than one person? You've got to ride in someone else's car. What if you all the sudden get married and decide you want kids? You've got to sell the Vette. What if you end up moving up north? I doubt you'd want to drive it in the winter. You know, all the usual arguments against a sports car...etc. But really, these situations could very possibly come into play. If it was me, I'd save the sports car for retirement and go with the luxury sedan for right now. You sound like you're a successful businessman, so it's not as though you won't have the means to buy one later in your life. Additionaly, it sounds like you'd be stretching your budget a bit if you were to buy the Vette now. It's never good to have to rely on a surprisingly good bonus to justify/cover a purchase. You shouldn't cut it that close.
Obviously you know your situation better than me, but that's just my 2 cents. Good luck with the decision. :)
QuoteLike to note that G35s have very good resale value as well.
Kind of.. But nothing like the 3er's.
I just looked up auction sales on 2004 G35s and 2004 325i's, as an example.
For cars with similar mileage, the 325s were getting an average of around $2K-$3K more than the G35s. (G35s around the $22K range, 325i's around the $24.5K range)
That's a good 8-10% difference on average out of the original MSRP (Let's say $33K for both) over just two years..
It's not that the G35 doesn't have good resale... It's that the 3-Series' resale value is ridiculous...
Think about it... I bought my car for $5K more (rand-new and a new bodystyle ) than a 2-year old used 325i (Old bodystyle and a car that isn't as good as the new one in any way). That's absolutely ridiculous. That means I can drive my car for over 2 years and sell it for $3K less than I bought it (private party) if I keep it in good condition and average mileage.
QuoteMy turn to be the voice of reason, I guess. IMO, don't go for the Vette...not right now at least. Obviously a four-door, five-seat car is going to be more practical for you than a two-seater, but that's a given. You've got to consider: what if you want to go somewhere with more than one person? You've got to ride in someone else's car. What if you all the sudden get married and decide you want kids? You've got to sell the Vette. What if you end up moving up north? I doubt you'd want to drive it in the winter. You know, all the usual arguments against a sports car...etc. But really, these situations could very possibly come into play. If it was me, I'd save the sports car for retirement and go with the luxury sedan for right now. You sound like you're a successful businessman, so it's not as though you won't have the means to buy one later in your life. Additionaly, it sounds like you'd be stretching your budget a bit if you were to buy the Vette now. It's never good to have to rely on a surprisingly good bonus to justify/cover a purchase. You shouldn't cut it that close.
Obviously you know your situation better than me, but that's just my 2 cents.? Good luck with the decision. :)
Thanks, good to know someone around here is the voice of reason :lol:
Now, for my rebuttal:
Getting married and having kids? Not going to happen any time even remotely soon, so not a concern. If it did happen, let's say 3 years out, I could always get something like a TSX and keep the vette as a second car.
Going somewhere with multiple people: I don't really mind if someone else drives. Besides, half the time when I'm going out w/ more than one person it's going out drinking, and I certainly don't mind having an excuse not to be the DD :lol:
Moving up north? 1) highly unlikely and 2) if I did move up north it would most likely be to NYC, in which case I'd probably have to sell my car regardless of what it is.
Your other points are valid though, and I've considered them. It is true that I'll probably be able to afford a car like this as a second car at some point in the future. And, it is stretching my budget in the sense that it's more than I originally planned on spending for a new car.
Furthermore, if you do get married and have kids, what are the odds that your wife wouldn't bring a 5-passenger vehicle into your household?
QuoteFurthermore, if you do get married and have kids, what are the odds that your wife wouldn't bring a 5-passenger vehicle into your household?
If you think about it,
both parents should really have a passenger car if they have a little kid.
But that's a moot point because he says that won't happen soon anyway. :)
QuoteGoing somewhere with multiple people: I don't really mind if someone else drives. Besides, half the time when I'm going out w/ more than one person it's going out drinking, and I certainly don't mind having an excuse not to be the DD :lol:
:D ha ha that's a very good point!
QuoteQuoteFurthermore, if you do get married and have kids, what are the odds that your wife wouldn't bring a 5-passenger vehicle into your household?
If you think about it, both parents should really have a passenger car if they have a little kid.
But that's a moot point because he says that won't happen soon anyway. :)
You really only need a two-passenger vehicle with an airbag cutoff switch to have one child. If the three of them would need to go anywhere together, they'd just use the other.
But as you said, it's irrelevent to the situation here.
You haven't driven the RX-8 yet!
But from those two, I would definitely choose the G35 manual.
As a sidenote, I preferred the shifter of the G35 (well, actually the 350Z) to the Audi TT (this is a different trans that you drove, I imagine, but it should feel similar) but I liked the Audi's clutch better. The Z's clutch was annoying, though the TSX's was worse.
QuoteQuoteQuoteFurthermore, if you do get married and have kids, what are the odds that your wife wouldn't bring a 5-passenger vehicle into your household?
If you think about it, both parents should really have a passenger car if they have a little kid.
But that's a moot point because he says that won't happen soon anyway. :)
You really only need a two-passenger vehicle with an airbag cutoff switch to have one child. If the three of them would need to go anywhere together, they'd just use the other.
But as you said, it's irrelevent to the situation here.
To put the topic to rest:
Probability I'm married within 3 years: Extremely low (maybe 5-10%). I don't have a girlfriend right now and frankly I kind of like it that way (at least now I do).
Probability I have a child within 3 years: Zero.
Probability I have a child within 5 years: Pretty close to zero.
Don't get me wrong, maybe I'll get married and have kids eventually, but kids are minimum 5 years out. So I'm not really worried about that for the context of this decision.
Would you be getting a C6 Vette?
I really don't know your financial situation but if you really want a Vette but it would be stretching your budget, get a used C5 Z06
QuoteWould you be getting a C6 Vette?
I really don't know your financial situation but if you really want a Vette but it would be stretching your budget, get a used C5 Z06
It would be a new C6.
The new C6 performance is close to the old C5 Z06, plus I like the styling better, the interior is better, it would be under warranty, and I like the removable top and the extra cargo room of the hatchback.
And a C6 Z06 is well out of my price range, FYI (in case anyone was going to suggest that next :rockon: )
(http://www.chevrolet.com/i/06/pic/corvette/photogallery/ext_gallery06.jpg)
It's calling your name.
Lebowski . . . Lebowski . . . :praise:
Quote(http://www.chevrolet.com/i/06/pic/corvette/photogallery/ext_gallery06.jpg)
It's calling your name.
Lebowski . . . Lebowski . . . :praise:
:rolleyes: And people say we dont have trolls here <_<
j/king vette boy.... :D B)
Yeah.
Thanks for the humor.
QuoteQuote(http://www.chevrolet.com/i/06/pic/corvette/photogallery/ext_gallery06.jpg)
It's calling your name.
Lebowski . . . Lebowski . . . :praise:
:rolleyes: And people say we dont have trolls here <_<
j/king vette boy.... :D B)
I'm a troll.
just a little humor 850...we just dont let people activily troll ;)
There was some talk about a bluetooth adapter for the ipod:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-RSupf0iDe2P/c....asp?I=142IPBCK (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-RSupf0iDe2P/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?I=142IPBCK)
^and it costs as much as the iPod itself...
Its funny your situation is pretty similar to where I will be next year in all liklihood. I will probably looking at premium sport sedans...but really there is no reason I couldn't get another two-seat sports car. My car before my A4 was a Z3 and I never really had any issues with it.
Even your price range is similar. I will be looking at stuff in the 30-40k, but could easily afford more if I wanted.
I never considered buying a Vette, but I will have to keep it in mind when I go shopping.
Of course if I consider a Vette...I would have to consider an M3 and S4 as well...hm...
QuoteIts funny your situation is pretty similar to where I will be next year in all liklihood. I will probably looking at premium sport sedans...but really there is no reason I couldn't get another two-seat sports car. My car before my A4 was a Z3 and I never really had any issues with it.
Even your price range is similar. I will be looking at stuff in the 30-40k, but could easily afford more if I wanted.
I never considered buying a Vette, but I will have to keep it in mind when I go shopping.
Of course if I consider a Vette...I would have to consider an M3 and S4 as well...hm...
I hear ya - I'm surprised how hard the decision has been. Truthfully, a two seater has as much utility as I need about 98% of the time. The question is, how much of a pain is it going to be to call a friend for a favor every time I go to best buy and get something that won't fit in my car, or every time I have people visiting from out of town w/o a car, things like that don't crop up very often but when they do it's nice to be able to handle them. On the other hand, 400hp and 0-60 in the mid 4s are hard to argue with.
Same thing with the price, it's a tough decision. The smart thing to do is spend $35k and save some money. But I am capable of spending more and the temptation is pretty hard to resist. And yes, last night I got to thinking about the S4, too, although truthfully I think I'm going to either stay within my original budget, or make the vette the only exception I'm willing to stretch for. I would probably consider the M3 too, but it's between body styles, and I generally keep cars for longer than the average person so I like that the vette is still early in its C6 iteration. It's a very slippery slope, though, once you consider one car outside of your price range, you find that your price range starts gradually moving upward. One thing I need to do before I make a decision is give my insurance agent a call, see how much a vette would cost me on that front.
Clearly, your only course of action is a Lamborghini Gallardo.
QuoteClearly, your only course of action is a Lamborghini Gallardo.
CLEARLY! :rockon:
QuoteQuoteClearly, your only course of action is a Lamborghini Gallardo.
CLEARLY! :rockon:
puh-lease, we all know the only choice is a F430. :praise:
Those choices seem to say "fuck me I'm desperate" and "oh christ i'll pay you, please" respectively =P
QuoteThose choices seem to say "fuck me I'm desperate" and "oh christ i'll pay you, please" respectively =P
:rolleyes:
QuoteThose choices seem to say "fuck me I'm desperate" and "oh christ i'll pay you, please" respectively =P
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
QuoteThose choices seem to say "fuck me I'm desperate" and "oh christ i'll pay you, please" respectively =P
Or maybe someone could actually like a Lamborghini or a Ferrari, respectively ;) :P
FYI, IF I were do go that route, this is the color scheme I'd get (not this exact car, but a coupe in black w/ black interior, gray wheels):
Black coupe, competition gray wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
QuoteBlack coupe, competition gray wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
I think i'm in wub :wub:^
QuoteFYI, IF I were do go that route, this is the color scheme I'd get (not this exact car, but a coupe in black w/ black interior, gray wheels):
Black coupe, competition gray wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Remember everything I said a few pages back about not getting the Vette? FORGET IT! Get the Vette. ;) :lol:
And on another note: auto?!....what a little bitch. <_< No wonder it isn't selling.
QuoteQuoteFYI, IF I were do go that route, this is the color scheme I'd get (not this exact car, but a coupe in black w/ black interior, gray wheels):
Black coupe, competition gray wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Remember everything I said a few pages back about not getting the Vette? FORGET IT! Get the Vette. ;) :lol:
And on another note: auto?!....what a little bitch. <_< No wonder it isn't selling.
I know the friggin temptation is ridiculous. I'm actually at the point where I'm trying to talk myself out of it, but I have a feeling I'm going to lose this battle.
And yeah, that one in the pic is an auto, which is why I said it's only for the color scheme. Believe it or not, something like 75% of all vettes sold are auto (it's the same for most sports cars, I remember reading in C&D once that like 90% of Ferrari 456 GTs sold were auto). I even had to test drive an auto because they didn't have any manuals on the lot, apparently. It goes without saying, if I go with a vette, it's definately going to be the manual, there is absolutely no room for negotiation on that point.
QuoteQuoteBlack coupe, competition gray wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
I think i'm in wub :wub:^
So am I not the only one that loves the competition gray wheels w/ the black? I don't think I've ever seen those wheels on a vette on the street, EVERYONE goes with the polished aluminum (which BTW is like $1,000 more than the gray), but personally I think the gray and black combo is awesome.
QuoteQuoteQuoteBlack coupe, competition gray wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
I think i'm in wub :wub:^
So am I not the only one that loves the competition gray wheels w/ the black? I don't think I've ever seen those wheels on a vette on the street, EVERYONE goes with the polished aluminum (which BTW is like $1,000 more than the gray), but personally I think the gray and black combo is awesome.
It looks good to me as well... B)
Looks just as good if not even better than the polished wheels, IMO
QuoteQuoteFYI, IF I were do go that route, this is the color scheme I'd get (not this exact car, but a coupe in black w/ black interior, gray wheels):
Black coupe, competition gray wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Remember everything I said a few pages back about not getting the Vette? FORGET IT! Get the Vette. ;) :lol:
And on another note: auto?!....what a little bitch. <_< No wonder it isn't selling.
It will sell faster than a manual, I bet.
Manual Corvettes don't exist. They're a myth.
QuoteQuoteQuoteFYI, IF I were do go that route, this is the color scheme I'd get (not this exact car, but a coupe in black w/ black interior, gray wheels):
Black coupe, competition gray wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Remember everything I said a few pages back about not getting the Vette? FORGET IT! Get the Vette. ;) :lol:
And on another note: auto?!....what a little bitch. <_< No wonder it isn't selling.
It will sell faster than a manual, I bet.
Manual Corvettes don't exist. They're a myth.
My brother's boss had a Z51 Vette 6MT (before he traded it in on a new Z06).
QuoteQuoteQuoteFYI, IF I were do go that route, this is the color scheme I'd get (not this exact car, but a coupe in black w/ black interior, gray wheels):
Black coupe, competition gray wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Remember everything I said a few pages back about not getting the Vette? FORGET IT! Get the Vette. ;) :lol:
And on another note: auto?!....what a little bitch. <_< No wonder it isn't selling.
It will sell faster than a manual, I bet.
Manual Corvettes don't exist. They're a myth.
Even Consumer Reports managed to find a manual Corvette to buy. ;)
QuoteFYI, IF I were do go that route, this is the color scheme I'd get (not this exact car, but a coupe in black w/ black interior, gray wheels):
Black coupe, competition gray wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
That is a gorgeous car, my friend. I'm with you on the gray wheels, too, and they really add something to the car when it's painted black.
Good luck with the purchase. :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFYI, IF I were do go that route, this is the color scheme I'd get (not this exact car, but a coupe in black w/ black interior, gray wheels):
Black coupe, competition gray wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Remember everything I said a few pages back about not getting the Vette? FORGET IT! Get the Vette. ;) :lol:
And on another note: auto?!....what a little bitch. <_< No wonder it isn't selling.
It will sell faster than a manual, I bet.
Manual Corvettes don't exist. They're a myth.
My brother's boss had a Z51 Vette 6MT (before he traded it in on a new Z06).
That's a lie.
;)
QuoteThere was some talk about a bluetooth adapter for the ipod:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-RSupf0iDe2P/c....asp?I=142IPBCK (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-RSupf0iDe2P/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?I=142IPBCK)
I don't understand the point of that adapter. You still have to plug it into the iPod, the BT adapter itself is nearly the size of the actual iPod.
Of course you do, you can't magically add bluetooth capability, you have to plug something in.
Well, tomorrow night I get a much better idea of what my affordable range is.
Surprisingly (at least surprising given where I was leaning 3-4 weeks ago), I'm really thinking the Corvette would be a pretty reasonable option right now, if my bonus comes in where I hope it does.
Any comments regarding the vette as a daily driver would be useful to me right now. Also, I have a couple of specific things I'm wondering about:
1) Crash test results? Safety isn't the most important thing on the list of things I'm looking for, but I don't want something that's a total death trap in a wreck. I haven't been able to find any crash test info, though. Does anybody know how safe the vette is in a wreck? Or where I can find crash test info on it?
2) Stupid question - is the body of the C6 still fiberglass? Does this have any implications on how expensive body work is, or how easily the body is damaged? Any safety implications (I wouldn't think so, the frame is still steel).
3) Tires - I fully realize that sports cars have expensive tires that don't last long (and the same goes for my truck, for that matter), and I think people who buy sports cars then bitch that they didn't get the tread life that they got out of their old camry despite the tires costing twice as much are morons. However, even I was surprised at the tread life people seem to be getting on the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires that come w/ the Z51 package. I was reading user comments on tirerack.com last night, and people seemed to be saying if you get 10,000+ miles out of those tires you're lucky. One guy got around 15k, but 10k seemed more like the average, and some got even less. Does anybody know if this is true? Does anyone know if the non "supercar" Eagle F1s that come w/ the non-Z51 corvette last any longer, and if it's worth the tradeoff in grip? I figure if I do end up going w/ the Z51, I could always replace them w/ the tires that come on the non-Z51 (the Eagle F1 GS-2 EMT) when it's time for a second set. The choice is somewhat limited though because the lack of a spare limits you to run-flats. Tirerack.com doesn't bring up a very wide selection of tires, and oddly it doesn't show the non-supercar F1s if you check the Z51 package, but I imagine that's an error as the wheels are the same size.
4) Anything else? If you have any experience w/ it, let me know, how good or bad is this car as a daily driver? How reliable is it? Would YOU get it as a daily driver if you could and if you were single w/o an absolute need for a back seat?
Once you've recognized yourself as truly shopping for a premium sporty coupe, I'd look around at the competition. See how you like the SLK, 350Z, and RX-8.
QuoteOnce you've recognized yourself as truly shopping for a premium sporty coupe, I'd look around at the competition. See how you like the SLK, 350Z, and RX-8.
Meh, I don't love any of those cars (but I will test drive the RX8 as I've promised Raza I would). Truthfully, I think that in the $50k sports car range, the corvette is in a class of it's own. For one thing, if I'm giving up the benefit of 4 doors, I'd do it only for vastly superior performance. Sure the 350Z has good performance, but is it
vastly superior to the G35 or 330? I doubt it (and for the record, I did test drive the G35 coupe manual, I liked it, but if I go w/ the G35 I'd probably get the sedan, the coupe wasn't THAT much better to warrant giving up the space ... and I imagin the 350Z would be pretty darn close to the G35 coupe). Same goes for the SLK, I'm sure it's fun, but Mercs aren't really tuned as sports cars, and I sure wouldn't call it a performance bargain.
Plus, broadly speaking, the vette has significantly more cargo capacity than most other 2 seaters, and since this would be my only car, that's a huge plus. I also really like the removable hard top, I don't want a convertible but I like the option of open top driving.
2) Stupid question - is the body of the C6 still fiberglass? Does this have any implications on how expensive body work is, or how easily the body is damaged? Any safety implications (I wouldn't think so, the frame is still steel).
Yes, the Corvette is still fiberglass, and I can't comment on how easily the panels get damaged, but I have heard that once a panel is damaged, the whole thing needs to be replaced. And I've seen some nasty pictures of Corvettes (C5s) being blown apart in impacts.
The G35 coupe weighs a good 400-500 pounds more than the 350Z, and that dampens the sensation of speed the Z car gives you. That said, as an only car (and considering that you are a rational individual, unlike I) the G35 makes more sense. Also, in the past, Brembo brakes were only available on the Track Z, and not the Touring (the Z car I find most desireable due to leather and a few other choice options) but they are available on the G35 coupe, which has the same or more of those choice options.
If you want something hardcore, the SLK isn't it. It's a good and right fun car, no doubt, but it's not exactly an Elise. The Boxster and Z4 would be more fun, without giving up too much liveability (if you call having a heavy, truckspace-eating hard top an advantage, which I do not).
Good luck, drive that Prescription-8. It'll cure your woes.
Well, it's coming pretty close to decision time. Last night was pay day and it looks like the vette is financially doable, although it remains at the upper end of what I intend to spend.
I'm test driving a 6 speed manual vette tomorrow (I'm also going to test drive the RX8 if I get time, although I still don't rank that very high on my list and it would have to blow me a way on the test drive to be considered). It's quite possible I'll make my final decision tomorrow although I probably won't sign on the dotted line for several more days (I like to take my time on decisions like this, in case you couldn't tell).
At this point, I'm leaning very heavily towards the vette. I still like the G35, but the truth is I don't absolutely need four doors, and you get to be 25 and single only once - this may be the only time I can realistically have a car like this as my daily driver, whereas I can drive fancy pants luxury sedans for the rest of my life. My attitude is, better to do stuff like this now than deprive myself and end up having a mid-life crisis at age 45.
Anyway, like I said, I'll ponder it for a few more days but I have a feeling the test drive of the 6-speed manual vette tomorrow is going to make up my mind for me. Looks like practicality and reason are about to lose out to sheer desire for excess yet again! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
Thanks for your help guys, I know this has been a pretty weird thread (obviously it's hard to help someone choose between something like a G35 and a vette, they're so different they're almost impossible to compare). Any additional comments on livability of the vette as a daily driver (or anything else) are still appreciated.
Don't fight your instincts. Practicality is for people like Ifcar. No offence :)
QuoteDon't fight your instincts. Practicality is for people like Ifcar. No offence :)
:D
QuoteDon't fight your instincts. Practicality is for people like Ifcar. No offence :)
If a two-seater was as practical as I needed, I wouldn't have a problem with one either. But with a large dog and too-frequent trips to yard sales and other places where I can find very cheap bulky items, even a sedan is pushing it for me.
Still, try and take the RX-8 for a hard spin. Once you get going around 8000rpm and realize you still ahve a thousand revs to go, you just might change your mind. It doesn't have the brute force of the Vette, but it does have four useable seats, good interior space, and no one will think that you're trying to make up for inadequecies elsewhere (not that I do, mind you--just others, simpletons, may).
Raza, did you ever talk to your parents about your next car?
QuoteRaza, did you ever talk to your parents about your next car?
Yeah, a couple of times. My dad seems to be dragging his feet--I think the Elise might be too extreme for him. The Evo might be a better choice, being a saloon and all.
Alright, I just came back from another full day (well, half day actually) of test drives:
'06 Corvette coupe 6-speed manual, Z51 package: What can I say - I'm in love. This car is awesome. I went in to the test drive with very high expectations, and I was not disappointed. The manual was much more fun to drive than the auto I drove a few weeks ago, and we had the top off during the drive today (it was a gorgeous day, BTW ... it really highlighted what a great feature the removable hard top is). This engine pulls everywhere in the rev band. Driving is completely effortless, whether I was getting on it, zipping through curves, or just putting along in heavier traffic. It also rides better than I expected for the Z51 package, even on some of the god awful brick streets we have in some of the residential areas around here.
Mazda RX8 manual: I definately liked the RX8. I was pleasantly surprised by the way it drives, it has a pretty nice interior, and the back seat wasn't too bad at all. Also, this car is a bargain. IF I was limiting myself to say a $30k budget, this car would be hard to top. However, I'm not. While I really liked the RX8, I just didn't like it as well as the corvette, which comes as no surprise given I'm comparing it to a car that is over 50% more expensive.
Nissan 350Z: Similar story to above. I liked the Z alot, but it just isn't a fair comparison. The Z drove pretty similar to the G35 coupe I drove a few weeks ago. It is definately a quick car, and it handled very well, but I'm comparing it to a car that is out of its league. Everything in the vette just seemed so ... effortless, whereas I felt like I had to work the Z a lot harder.
My mind is pretty much made up, although I'm going to sleep on it for a few days and think about whether I really want to spend this much money before I sign on the dotted line. Thanks for your help guys.
And Raza, I'm definately not worried about anyone thinking I'm driving the corvette to make up for anything. Anyone who knows me knows that's not the case. Like most of the people on these forums, I'm a car guy - I'm buying the corvette because it's an awesome car and I love driving it. I'm NOT buying it because I give two shits about impressing anyone with my car, because trust me, I don't (if I did would I have been driving a Ford pickup for last 4 years?). Unfortunately, as you all know, for every one guy like us there are probably 4 or 5 who buy cars like this just for looks (you know who I'm talking about - the guys who get a corvette or a porsche with an automatic). That's just something you have to deal with being a car guy, I guess.
Wahoo. A black C6 Vette may be on the forum. :praise:
Be sure to take pictures if (more like when. We know you won't be able to live without 400 hp now :P ) you get it.
My only other suggestion: consider the Le Mans Blue.
:rockon:
So are you getting the Z51?
:praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :praise:
QuoteSo are you getting the Z51?
Probably. I can always switch to a different set of tires for my second set if it turns out the F1 Supercars have unacceptably low tread life.
Did I mention, I also called my insurance agent on Friday. It turns out, the vette is only $90 more every six months than the G35. I was surprised - I thought they'd rape me if I got a corvette.
I'm really not too surprised by that. A lot of vettes are driven my gentle 50 year old men who can afford a second weekend car.
May I suggest deep yellow? It looks good on the Vette imo and will be easier to clean too. (http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2006/Chevrolet/100616682/20027317-E.jpg)
Velocity Yello :praise:
And enjoy 28 mpg on the highway.
Eh, I'd go with less of a screaming color. I think it looks good in orange or blue (or black, but christ will that get hot in the summer).
QuoteQuoteRaza, did you ever talk to your parents about your next car?
Yeah, a couple of times. My dad seems to be dragging his feet--I think the Elise might be too extreme for him. The Evo might be a better choice, being a saloon and all.
Or the RX8?
QuoteI'm really not too surprised by that. A lot of vettes are driven my gentle 50 year old men who can afford a second weekend car.
May I suggest deep yellow? It looks good on the Vette imo and will be easier to clean too. (http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2006/Chevrolet/100616682/20027317-E.jpg)
Velocity Yello :praise:
And enjoy 28 mpg on the highway.
At this point I'm planning on black ... although I will concede the yellow looks really good.
BUT, consider, yellow is a $750 option, plus the yellow IMO looks much better with the polished wheels, which is like another $1000 (vs. competition gray), so we're talking an extra $1750 for a color combination. Not sure if I can justify that.
Also, as secret chimp said, while i like the yellow, it is really attention grabbing. I'm not sure if I want something that loud.
I'm still drooling over the pic that was posted several pages back of the black vette w/ the competion gray wheels...(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/drool.gif)
QuoteI'm still drooling over the pic that was posted several pages back of the black vette w/ the competion gray wheels...(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/drool.gif)
Here it is again:
Black w/ Competition Gray (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
^ That's the color combo I'd get.
QuoteQuoteI'm still drooling over the pic that was posted several pages back of the black vette w/ the competion gray wheels...(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/drool.gif)
Here it is again:
Black w/ Competition Gray (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
^ That's the color combo I'd get.
Automatic. :( <_< :angry:
QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm still drooling over the pic that was posted several pages back of the black vette w/ the competion gray wheels...(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/drool.gif)
Here it is again:
Black w/ Competition Gray (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
^ That's the color combo I'd get.
Automatic. :( <_< :angry:
Color combo. I'm just posting that pic because it's the only black on gray I can find. I would definately get a manual, there's no question about that. Surprisingly (or not surprisingly I guess) the vast majority of corvettes are autos, and the same can probably be said of most high end sports cars that offer an auto.
More competition gray pics:
Google Search (http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=corvette+competition+gray)
(http://www.kerbeck.com/kerbeck/kerbeck.nsf/f/YellowComp3/$FILE/yellowcomp3.jpg)
(http://www.kerbeck.com/kerbeck/kerbeck.nsf/f/silvercomp1/$FILE/silvercompfront.jpg)
(http://www.kerbeck.com/kerbeck/kerbeck.nsf/f/Yellowcomp2/$FILE/yellowcomp2.jpg)
QuoteQuoteQuoteRaza, did you ever talk to your parents about your next car?
Yeah, a couple of times. My dad seems to be dragging his feet--I think the Elise might be too extreme for him. The Evo might be a better choice, being a saloon and all.
Or the RX8?
It is indeed a great choice, but it just seems to anticlimactic. That is, not nearly as brutal as I was hoping for a car I've been searching for for almost three years now. However, it's the most likely next to the 330i.
QuoteQuoteI'm really not too surprised by that. A lot of vettes are driven my gentle 50 year old men who can afford a second weekend car.
May I suggest deep yellow? It looks good on the Vette imo and will be easier to clean too. (http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2006/Chevrolet/100616682/20027317-E.jpg)
Velocity Yello :praise:
And enjoy 28 mpg on the highway.
At this point I'm planning on black ... although I will concede the yellow looks really good.
BUT, consider, yellow is a $750 option, plus the yellow IMO looks much better with the polished wheels, which is like another $1000 (vs. competition gray), so we're talking an extra $1750 for a color combination. Not sure if I can justify that.
Also, as secret chimp said, while i like the yellow, it is really attention grabbing. I'm not sure if I want something that loud.
Didn't realize it's such a price premium. How ghey <_<
Very nice choice! And let me just say, black with the competition gray wheels is just one extremely sexy ride! :praise:
QuoteVery nice choice! And let me just say, black with the competition gray wheels is just one extremely sexy ride! :praise:
:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
I haven't officially made up my mind yet. But, the decision process has transitioned from the "is the corvette the car I want?" phase to the "can I justify spending this much $$$ on a car!?" phase. In other words, I've decided I want it, now I just have to convince my cheap ass to open my wallet.
QuoteQuoteVery nice choice!? And let me just say, black with the competition gray wheels is just one extremely sexy ride! :praise:
:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
I haven't officially made up my mind yet. But, the decision process has transitioned from the "is the corvette the car I want?" phase to the "can I justify spending this much $$$ on a car!?" phase. In other words, I've decided I want it, now I just have to convince my cheap ass to open my wallet.
Seriously, the normal Corvette looks nice, but black with the grey wheels (a color combo I have never seen before) looks downright jaw dropping! Thats the color to go with, IMO.
QuoteQuoteQuoteVery nice choice!? And let me just say, black with the competition gray wheels is just one extremely sexy ride! :praise:
:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
I haven't officially made up my mind yet. But, the decision process has transitioned from the "is the corvette the car I want?" phase to the "can I justify spending this much $$$ on a car!?" phase. In other words, I've decided I want it, now I just have to convince my cheap ass to open my wallet.
Seriously, the normal Corvette looks nice, but black with the grey wheels (a color combo I have never seen before) looks downright jaw dropping! Thats the color to go with, IMO.
Thanks. I totally agree. I, too, have not seen that color combination on the road, and that sort of caused me to second guess myself (sort of a "can I be the only one who realizes how good this looks?" feeling). It's nice to know I'm not the only one.
Just look at the beast! :o :o :o
(http://g2images.auctionwagon.com/shiponsite/G2SMfa3d90f3-d2f5-4817-984d-553c11443fc5-7029.jpg)
Those grey wheels are awesome. Plus, with all the brake dust you'll be spewing, the shiny chrome ones'd get pretty grey themeselves, I'd imagine.
It's got that, "Look at me and I'll bitch slap you!" effect when painted black.
That black, with the gray wheels, is perfect.
I can't wait for the pics!
No car under $200K should have yellow paint.
QuoteNo car should have yellow paint.
Better.
You guys are smoking crack:
(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/f430spider05_04_1024.jpg)
(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/01/360_modena_4_800.jpg)
(http://www.nextcar.com.au/i.porsche.911.carrera.4.cabriolet.2006.yellow.05jul.jpg)
(http://www.fastcoolcars.com/images/wallpaper6/2006-Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-Stock-Corvettes-1024x768.jpg)
I like all those cars in yellow except the Porsche, its more of a looker in darker colors. The old viper looked hot in yellow with a black stripe down the middle.
Yellow's tricky imo, but the Vette pulls it off.
I'm really starting to like that black/grey combo. Go for it man :rockon:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm still drooling over the pic that was posted several pages back of the black vette w/ the competion gray wheels...(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/drool.gif)
Here it is again:
Black w/ Competition Gray (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
^ That's the color combo I'd get.
Automatic. :( <_< :angry:
Color combo. I'm just posting that pic because it's the only black on gray I can find. I would definately get a manual, there's no question about that. Surprisingly (or not surprisingly I guess) the vast majority of corvettes are autos, and the same can probably be said of most high end sports cars that offer an auto.
Oh I know, I was just pointing out the stupidity of some of the people that buy these cars...with automatics... ^_^
Can't wait to see some pics of the new car if/when you get it!!! :rockon: :rockon:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm still drooling over the pic that was posted several pages back of the black vette w/ the competion gray wheels...(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/drool.gif)
Here it is again:
Black w/ Competition Gray (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
^ That's the color combo I'd get.
Automatic. :( <_< :angry:
Color combo. I'm just posting that pic because it's the only black on gray I can find. I would definately get a manual, there's no question about that. Surprisingly (or not surprisingly I guess) the vast majority of corvettes are autos, and the same can probably be said of most high end sports cars that offer an auto.
Oh I know, I was just pointing out the stupidity of some of the people that buy these cars...with automatics... ^_^
Can't wait to see some pics of the new car if/when you get it!!! :rockon: :rockon:
I cant wait either...the anticipation is killing me..HURRY UP! :D
I don't know...I just see school bus.
I was just out holiday shopping earlier today and I saw an '06 corvette in the dark red - it really looked good. I don't think I would go that way, though, I pretty much have my heart set on black, plus the dark red is same deal as yellow ($750 for the color, plus it looks better w/ polished wheels so add another $1000 ... probably not worth shelling out almost 2 large for a color combo).
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm still drooling over the pic that was posted several pages back of the black vette w/ the competion gray wheels...(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/drool.gif)
Here it is again:
Black w/ Competition Gray (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z-51-1SB-2005-Chevrolet-Corvette-Coupe-Z-51-Sports-1SB-6-0L-LS2_W0QQitemZ4591581072QQcategoryZ6168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
^ That's the color combo I'd get.
Automatic. :( <_< :angry:
Color combo. I'm just posting that pic because it's the only black on gray I can find. I would definately get a manual, there's no question about that. Surprisingly (or not surprisingly I guess) the vast majority of corvettes are autos, and the same can probably be said of most high end sports cars that offer an auto.
Oh I know, I was just pointing out the stupidity of some of the people that buy these cars...with automatics... ^_^
Can't wait to see some pics of the new car if/when you get it!!! :rockon: :rockon:
I cant wait either...the anticipation is killing me..HURRY UP! :D
Well at this point, my decision is about 99% made. I plan to make the final decision this week, maybe even tomorrow.
One negative about the anticipation, though - this is only the beginning :angry: . To get the color combo I want, I need to special order, which takes 8-10 weeks, and judging from what people are saying on corvetteforum, it could be even longer than that (GM has some complicated dealer allocation system, plus the Z51 is in particularly short supply). Makes it tempting to just get the red one on the lot that I drove yesterday (other than the color it's exactly like I want, '06 manual w/ Z51 package, oh and it's bright red, not the dark red I just mentioned that I like). However, my truck still runs fine and everything, so realistically there's no reason to rush it, I think it's worth it to wait the 8-10 weeks or whatever it is to get the car I really want.
It definitely is worth the wait, 8-10 weeks isnt really all that much...better to wait a little and get the car you really want.
QuoteIt definitely is worth the wait, 8-10 weeks isnt really all that much...better to wait a little and get the car you really want.
agreed 100% with above
QuoteIt definitely is worth the wait, 8-10 weeks isnt really all that much...better to wait a little and get the car you really want.
Agreed.
QuoteYou guys are smoking crack:
I'll give a pass to the Ferrari but nothing else.
What do you guys think about interior color? I was leaning towards black (prefer that color) but I got to thinking last night, because I live in Florida, Gray interior may be better (black can get HOT!).
Does anybody know if one or the other, gray or black, leather holds up better over time (i.e. does one show less cracking, etc.)?
My guess would be gray. My dad has parchment on his S320, and it's held up very well over the 10 years we've had it. The only other cars we have have gray leather, but none are more than 3 years old.
Congrats on (almost) choosing the Vette.
If I were you, I would order the car exactly as I wanted.
One thing I sort of regret when buying my current car was that it was a compromise. I had already sold my Z3 and was driving a rental so I couldn't wait the time to order a brand new 325i with the right options so i had to compare what was on the lots, which gave the Audi a big leg-up (BMW was between model years...very low 2004 inventory and no new 2005's yet. Audi had 2005's on the lots for a few months already and happened to have on exactly like I would order it anyway).
We've generally been "off the lot" types, since you get the best deal, and we get enough common options that they usually have something we want. If I get an Evo, though, we'll probably have to order it, or have the dealer find one.
I agree with lebowski, I'll just delete the few posts in here irrelevant to the thread :) Lebowsi, I'll delete the other thread you started, it isnt necessary.
Bur your point is well taken B)
QuoteI agree with lebowski, I'll just delete the few posts in here irrelevant to the thread :) Lebowsi, I'll delete the other thread you started, it isnt necessary.
Bur your point is well taken B)
Thanks ... no need to delete them all (although it looks like you already have). I don't a few mind side conversations, but would prefer if the entire thread didn't get completely off topic.
QuoteQuoteI agree with lebowski, I'll just delete the few posts in here irrelevant to the thread :) Lebowsi, I'll delete the other thread you started, it isnt necessary.
Bur your point is well taken B)
Thanks ... no need to delete them all (although it looks like you already have). I don't a few mind side conversations, but would prefer if the entire thread didn't get completely off topic.
Well, the posts had no place in this specific thread, so they either had to be moved or deleted. Since I didnt know exactly how to move some of them, I deleted them :lol:
Hope no one takes any offense :)
Well in case you couldn't have guessed, my mind is unofficially made up (I say unofficially because I haven't signed on the dotted line or left a deposit at a dealer yet).
I emailed an out of state dealer I found on corvetteforums requesting a price quote, and he came back with $4500 under MSRP for the exact specifications I wanted (he has to order it though, doesn't have one on the lot). He can have it shipped direct from GM any Chevy dealer in the US. I was planning on going in to my local dealer to see if they could make a competitive offer, but when I called, my salesman had already gone home for the night and won't be in tomorrow, so I'll call Wed. night. All else equal, I'd rather buy from my local dealer, because of the convenience and because I test drove the car there and feel the salesman should at least have a shot of making his commission in return for the time he spent with me. However, I'm doubtful that they will be willing to match that offer.
Has anybody ever ordered a car from out of state? I don't have all the details yet on how the transaction would take place, but it is somewhat unnerving to me, the thought of just sending a big fat deposit check through the mail to a dealer I've never seen in person. Anybody know how the transaction works (i.e., how I prevent myself from getting ripped off? This looks like a reputable dealer, but who knows).
QuoteQuoteQuoteI agree with lebowski, I'll just delete the few posts in here irrelevant to the thread :) Lebowsi, I'll delete the other thread you started, it isnt necessary.
Bur your point is well taken B)
Thanks ... no need to delete them all (although it looks like you already have). I don't a few mind side conversations, but would prefer if the entire thread didn't get completely off topic.
Well, the posts had no place in this specific thread, so they either had to be moved or deleted. Since I didnt know exactly how to move some of them, I deleted them :lol:
Hope no one takes any offense :)
I hope so too ... I wasn't trying to stir anything up.
Thanks again.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI agree with lebowski, I'll just delete the few posts in here irrelevant to the thread :) Lebowsi, I'll delete the other thread you started, it isnt necessary.
Bur your point is well taken B)
Thanks ... no need to delete them all (although it looks like you already have). I don't a few mind side conversations, but would prefer if the entire thread didn't get completely off topic.
Well, the posts had no place in this specific thread, so they either had to be moved or deleted. Since I didnt know exactly how to move some of them, I deleted them :lol:
Hope no one takes any offense :)
BMWDave is drunk with his moderating powers. Deleting posts left and right!!! :o
Sorry.
no need to be sorry, no harm done. :)
Wait, had he replied to my last post? I want to know what he said! Or what I said, for that matter.
Well, as it turns out, finding a Corvette w/ the Z51 package is a huge pain in the ass right now rokon.gif
The Z51 package is nationally constrained (apparently GM is having a supplier problem or something), so if a dealership orders one there is a good chance it will just get stuck in the system indefinately.
I'm willing to be patient, but wanted to vent my frustration. I've got a private buyer working for me, scouring the country for it :lol: . But I may have to make some sacrifices ... I found one almost like what I want (black coupe w/ the comp gray wheels), but it comes with the base sound system. I found a similar one, but it is loaded with nav and has the polished wheels (both nav and the polished wheels drive up the price, plus i like the gray wheels better). This sucks! Who would have thought buying a car would become such a pain in the ass?
QuoteWell, as it turns out, finding a Corvette w/ the Z51 package is a huge pain in the ass right now rokon.gif
The Z51 package is nationally constrained (apparently GM is having a supplier problem or something), so if a dealership orders one there is a good chance it will just get stuck in the system indefinately.
I'm willing to be patient, but wanted to vent my frustration. I've got a private buyer working for me, scouring the country for it :lol: . But I may have to make some sacrifices ... I found one almost like what I want (black coupe w/ the comp gray wheels), but it comes with the base sound system. I found a similar one, but it is loaded with nav and has the polished wheels (both nav and the polished wheels drive up the price, plus i like the gray wheels better). This sucks! Who would have thought buying a car would become such a pain in the ass?
Yeah, no polished wheels, it looks really bling bling.. go with the grey if you can..
QuoteQuoteWell, as it turns out, finding a Corvette w/ the Z51 package is a huge pain in the ass right now rokon.gif
The Z51 package is nationally constrained (apparently GM is having a supplier problem or something), so if a dealership orders one there is a good chance it will just get stuck in the system indefinately.
I'm willing to be patient, but wanted to vent my frustration. I've got a private buyer working for me, scouring the country for it :lol: . But I may have to make some sacrifices ... I found one almost like what I want (black coupe w/ the comp gray wheels), but it comes with the base sound system. I found a similar one, but it is loaded with nav and has the polished wheels (both nav and the polished wheels drive up the price, plus i like the gray wheels better). This sucks! Who would have thought buying a car would become such a pain in the ass?
Yeah, no polished wheels, it looks really bling bling.. go with the grey if you can..
I agree, the gray looks better. This is a major exercise in frustration.
What's weird is, with the Z51 on constraint, most dealers can't order them at all, and those that do (or rather, that say they can), don't budge from MSRP. However, one dealer I found, Kerbeck Corvette in Atlantic City, not only claims (and seems pretty confident) that he can get it, but is offering $4500 under MSRP. Hmmm, on one hand, sounds attractive ... on the other, it sounds too good to be true. I'd have to send him a $5k deposit upon ordering ... definately makes me nervous sending a check that size (not to mention the check for the remainder of the price I'd have to send later) through the mail to someone I've never met in person for a deal that sounds too good to be true for a car that other dealers are having a hard time getting.
Has anybody heard of/has experience w/ this dealer? Know if it's legit?
That sounds like a pain in the ass, but I wouldn't settle on a car of such a price. Get what you want. Have you talked to the dealer, or is this just information that you obtained through this private buyer?
Hmmm, Corvettes are nice, but for a primary car I don't think It's a good idea. I've always considered it a third car option and most people who I've known to have a two-seater as a daily driver soon move back to a sedan or something more practical. :mellow:
QuoteThat sounds like a pain in the ass, but I wouldn't settle on a car of such a price. Get what you want. Have you talked to the dealer, or is this just information that you obtained through this private buyer?
About the constraint? There's definately a constraint, I've heard so from 2 dealers, my private buyer, the corvetteforum website, and I called Chevy's customer service line (which BTW wasn't helpful at all, couldn't tell me anything other than that there is a constraint, which means "quantity may vary throughout the year", completely meaningless given I don't know if production has stopped or slowed or what).
I talked to the dealer offering the $4500 off MSRP. He's in NJ, and I'm on FL, so I've only talked to him via email and the phone. It sure as hell sounds like it's a legitimate offer, but at the same time it sounds too good to be true. He sounds very confident he can get the car regardless of the constraint (they are apparently the #1 corvette dealer in the US by volume, so get favorable allocation), but my worry is, once he's got my $5k deposit he's got me by the balls and I have to wait regardless of how long it takes him to get the car.
Constraint Thread on Corvetteforum (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1249250&forum_id=74)
Check with the NJ BBB, they should have info on him.
QuoteCheck with the NJ BBB, they should have info on him.
Thanks for the advice. Looks like they check out, at least according to the NJ BBB.
Checks out on BBB. Has a "satisfactory record"
1 complain in last 36 months
Reason for complaint was: "Repair or Service Issue"
Outcome of complaint: "resoved"
NJ is controlled by the Mafia. There is probably a dead body in the trunk and that's why its so cheap.
I would take it if I were you.
:ph34r:
Sounds legit, go for it!
QuoteWell, as it turns out, finding a Corvette w/ the Z51 package is a huge pain in the ass right now rokon.gif
The Z51 package is nationally constrained (apparently GM is having a supplier problem or something), so if a dealership orders one there is a good chance it will just get stuck in the system indefinately.
I'm willing to be patient, but wanted to vent my frustration. I've got a private buyer working for me, scouring the country for it :lol: . But I may have to make some sacrifices ... I found one almost like what I want (black coupe w/ the comp gray wheels), but it comes with the base sound system. I found a similar one, but it is loaded with nav and has the polished wheels (both nav and the polished wheels drive up the price, plus i like the gray wheels better). This sucks! Who would have thought buying a car would become such a pain in the ass?
I could have told you that. Last time I was shopping for a car, it shortened my life by 3 years.
So is Lebowski going to seal the AC deal? I could stop by and, um, evaluate it :D
QuoteHmmm, Corvettes are nice, but for a primary car I don't think It's a good idea. I've always considered it a third car option and most people who I've known to have a two-seater as a daily driver soon move back to a sedan or something more practical. :mellow:
I disagree, but that's based on the fact that Lebowski doesn't seem to have anybody else living with him at the moment (sorry if you've mentioned this already).
It's got plenty of cargo space for one person, and it's always been said that the C6 makes a great daily driver (even the Z06).
Unless he's planning on marrying and having kids in the near future (doesn't sound like it), I don't see what's wrong with getting a Corvette.
Aight,
Lebowski IS about to seal the deal. I ended up making a deal via my private buyer (my dad has bot cars through him in the past). I'm special ordering a Corvette Coupe through him, it's all set up and I offically fax back the forms with my signature tomorrow morning. I won't have the car for a couple of months due to the special order and the Z51 constraint. The price is pretty good - it's about $1500 under MSRP (after the buyer gets his cut), which I personally consider pretty damned good considering the car is pretty tough to get right now. It's not quite as good a price as the guy in NJ offered, however, the guy in NJ wanted me to send him a $5k deposit upon ordering the car and pay the remaining ~$45k BEFORE taking delivery. Now, while Lebowski has no particular reason not to trust said NJ dealer, Lebowski generally lives by a rule that says "Lebowski shall never put himself in a position where he can be easily and readily screwed by someone else". While the NJ deal sounded good, the guy would have totally had me by the balls once I sent in the deposit, and he would have really had me by the balls when I paid the rest of the balance. What would I have done had the car not arrived, or if it arrived damaged or something? I would have really been in a bad place if that happened, and the idea of paying before taking delivery just didn't sit with me, so I decided to go through my private buyer (who I do trust) even though the price isn't quite as good as the NJ dealer offered.
Now, as for the car, I ordered it exactly as I originally wanted:
2006 Corvette Coupe
Black exterior, black interior
Manual transmission
Z51 package
3LT package (comes w/ good sound system, XM, HUD, power everything, etc.)
and of course ... the competition gray wheels.\
Note, I didn't get Nav, which I started this thread saying I wanted. The reasons I didn't get nav were 1) the corvette is more $$$ than I originally wanted to spend so I figured it would be smart to cut out the unnecessary fat and 2) w/ the vette, if you get the Nav, you lose the 6-disc changer, and I figure I'll use the CD changer almost every day but I'd only use the nav about once a month or so.
I'm really looking forward to taking delivery, even thought it'll be at least 2 months away. I'll be sure to post pics as soon as I do.
:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
Alright! Congrats on the buy. I'm sure it will be a long wait, but your current ride doesn't exactly suck. Infact, just the opposite. But it isn't a Vette.
Just think that if it weren't for this forum you would be on your way to buying an ordinary luxury sedan :D :)
BTW, thanks for the advice everyone. As I mentioned before, I realize this hasn't been the easiest thread to provide advice in, given that I moved from 4 door entry luxury sedans to a Corvette (hey, I did have it in the original post under the 'wild cards', so you can't say it was a complete surprise!).
As VetteZ06 just alluded to, I am young AND single, so this is the time IMO to get a two seater. I live alone and really have no real need for 4 doors. Nevertheless, thanks Catman for being the voice of reason and trying to talk some sense into me!
Raza - you're definately right about the car buying process being a huge pain in the ass. The last week has been much more frustrating and stressful than I had anticipated. I had thought that once I decided on a car, the hard part would be behind me. Boy was I wrong! I've spent the last week scouring the Southeast US for the Corvette of my dreams, stressing over the Z51 constraint, and worry about how bad I could get screwed if I sent $50k to NJ before taking delivery of a car. I'm glad at least that part is over (and hopefully now comes the easy part - just waiting for my car to get delivered).
I am very happy with my final choice, but one thing is definately for sure - Lebowski can't pretend to be the personal finance guru on this website anymore, given that I've just agreed to spend WAY too much money on a car!
Oh, and one other thing. Thank you (in no particular order):
IFCAR
BMWDAVE
850CSI
Tom
Raghavan
Mazda6er
TBR
Coloner Cadillac
Cosmic Saab
MrH
Footoflead
TheWizard16
MTL_A4
NomisR
Saltydog
Secret Chimp
Giant MTB
And I don't have to mention Raza, VetteZ06, or Catman since I mentioned you in the last post, but I will anyway - thanks.
Hopefully I haven't left anyone off, but thanks for helping me w/ what has been a very tough decision, guys. I value your opinions, which is why I sought (and listened to) your advice in the first place.
Congrats! :o :rockon:
Black interior? OK man, but get one of those sun things or buy some longer shorts for the summer, or else - tssssssss! ;P
Congrats, how soon do you take delivery?
QuoteCongrats, how soon do you take delivery?
Not for a while. I'd say at least 2-3 months, because of the Z51 constraint.
But, I still like my truck, and it runs fine, so it's not much of an inconvenience to have to wait.
Well, congratulations, Lebowski. And, the hard part is never behind you until you take delivery.
But when you take delivery...oh my...
:D
Congrats! I can't wait to see the pics! Sounds like you pretty much scored big on this one.
Congratulations man! :rockon: What a car! :wub:
Congrats, I think you'll be happy to held out for the right color combo and the right package.
I agree with your logic regarding the Nav and 6-disc CD changer too.
Done! Signed and faxed in my order today. No backing out now :lol:
And you're right, Raza, the waiting part isn't easy!
QuoteDone! Signed and faxed in my order today. No backing out now :lol:
And you're right, Raza, the waiting part isn't easy!
I'm just a wealth of knowledge, aren't I?
Congratulations, man.
QuoteAs VetteZ06 just alluded to, I am young AND single, so this is the time IMO to get a two seater. I live alone and really have no real need for 4 doors. Nevertheless, thanks Catman for being the voice of reason and trying to talk some sense into me!
:lol: NP! Enjoy the new ride. :rockon:
I called and made a small change to my order today. I added option R8C, National Corvette Museum Delivery. (http://www.corvettemuseum.com/ncm_delivery/index.shtml)
I'm going to go up with my dad, who may actually be more excited about me getting this car than I am (and that's impressive). We'll fly up to Bowling Green and pick up the car and drive it back down to FL. It's a long drive, but what better way is there to see the country than in a brand new corvette? Plus, I've done long drives in the past and don't mind them. Museum delivery includes a VIP tour of the corvette plant and national corvette museum, at the end of which your car is on display in the museum. A lot of people on corvetteforum.com said it was well worth it.
QuoteI called and made a small change to my order today. I added option option R8C, National Corvette Museum Delivery. (http://www.corvettemuseum.com/ncm_delivery/index.shtml)
I'm going to go up with my dad, who may actually be more excited about me getting this car than I am (and that's impressive). We'll fly up to Bowling Green and pick up the car and drive it back down to FL. It's a long drive, but what better way is there to see the country than in a brand new corvette? Plus, I've done long drives in the past and don't mind them. Museum delivery includes a VIP tour of the corvette plant and national corvette museum, at the end of which your car is on display in the museum. A lot of people on corvetteforum.com said it was well worth it.
That should be a blast theres some good mountian roads between Kentucky and Florida. I've decided that if I ever get a Vette i'm going for that option too B)
QuoteI called and made a small change to my order today. I added option option R8C, National Corvette Museum Delivery. (http://www.corvettemuseum.com/ncm_delivery/index.shtml)
I'm going to go up with my dad, who may actually be more excited about me getting this car than I am (and that's impressive). We'll fly up to Bowling Green and pick up the car and drive it back down to FL. It's a long drive, but what better way is there to see the country than in a brand new corvette? Plus, I've done long drives in the past and don't mind them. Museum delivery includes a VIP tour of the corvette plant and national corvette museum, at the end of which your car is on display in the museum. A lot of people on corvetteforum.com said it was well worth it.
Now thats how you take delivery of a car!! :rockon: Its also a great, great way to get the break in period over very quickly. Make sure you read the manual on how to break in the car before the drive. :)
You vary your speeds and don't take it over 85 for the first thousand miles, probably.
I think it varies from car to car. Some have a break-in period of 250 miles, some as long as 2000miles.
Wow, that's pretty sweet. B)
QuoteYou vary your speeds and don't take it over 85 for the first thousand miles, probably.
That's pretty close to what I've read. What I've read is to vary the speed AND the RPMs, don't rev it up to high, and don't go above ~70-80mph for the first 500 miles. I haven't read the manual, but am going by what I've read elsewhere. I'll obviously read the manual when I get it.
QuoteI think it varies from car to car. Some have a break-in period of 250 miles, some as long as 2000miles.
I've never seen anything under 1000. On some cars that have trickier, higher tuned engines (like the 996 Turbo) I've seen 2000, but on average I see 1000 as the break-in period. But then again, I did say probably.
QuoteQuoteYou vary your speeds and don't take it over 85 for the first thousand miles, probably.
That's pretty close to what I've read. What I've read is to vary the speed AND the RPMs, don't rev it up to high, and don't go above ~70-80mph for the first 500 miles. I haven't read the manual, but am going by what I've read elsewhere. I'll obviously read the manual when I get it.
Yeah--it's so hard though--when I got the Passat, I had to do about 700 highway miles that week, so I had a hell of a time varying speeds and revs. It all came at the cost of gas mileage and fatigue. Once broken in, though, cruise control was a life saver.
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou vary your speeds and don't take it over 85 for the first thousand miles, probably.
That's pretty close to what I've read. What I've read is to vary the speed AND the RPMs, don't rev it up to high, and don't go above ~70-80mph for the first 500 miles. I haven't read the manual, but am going by what I've read elsewhere. I'll obviously read the manual when I get it.
Yeah--it's so hard though--when I got the Passat, I had to do about 700 highway miles that week, so I had a hell of a time varying speeds and revs. It all came at the cost of gas mileage and fatigue. Once broken in, though, cruise control was a life saver.
I know, varying speeds on the highway is going to be a pain. I'll try to throw in some back/country roads in the mix, so it's not all 4+ lane interstate, which should make it easier to vary speed.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou vary your speeds and don't take it over 85 for the first thousand miles, probably.
That's pretty close to what I've read. What I've read is to vary the speed AND the RPMs, don't rev it up to high, and don't go above ~70-80mph for the first 500 miles. I haven't read the manual, but am going by what I've read elsewhere. I'll obviously read the manual when I get it.
Yeah--it's so hard though--when I got the Passat, I had to do about 700 highway miles that week, so I had a hell of a time varying speeds and revs. It all came at the cost of gas mileage and fatigue. Once broken in, though, cruise control was a life saver.
I know, varying speeds on the highway is going to be a pain. I'll try to throw in some back/country roads in the mix, so it's not all 4+ lane interstate, which should make it easier to vary speed.
I basically drove across Pennsylvania a few times. That's the turnpike and 332 up and down. Nothing but cows.
QuoteQuoteI think it varies from car to car. Some have a break-in period of 250 miles, some as long as 2000miles.
I've never seen anything under 1000. On some cars that have trickier, higher tuned engines (like the 996 Turbo) I've seen 2000, but on average I see 1000 as the break-in period. But then again, I did say probably.
My moms STS was 500, i think my accord was something similar. probably the more advanced and highly-tuned the longer the break-in.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think it varies from car to car. Some have a break-in period of 250 miles, some as long as 2000miles.
I've never seen anything under 1000. On some cars that have trickier, higher tuned engines (like the 996 Turbo) I've seen 2000, but on average I see 1000 as the break-in period. But then again, I did say probably.
My moms STS was 500, i think my accord was something similar. probably the more advanced and highly-tuned the longer the break-in.
That's odd. All our Benzes were 1000, so was the Passat.
Maybe just overprotective Germans?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou vary your speeds and don't take it over 85 for the first thousand miles, probably.
That's pretty close to what I've read. What I've read is to vary the speed AND the RPMs, don't rev it up to high, and don't go above ~70-80mph for the first 500 miles. I haven't read the manual, but am going by what I've read elsewhere. I'll obviously read the manual when I get it.
Yeah--it's so hard though--when I got the Passat, I had to do about 700 highway miles that week, so I had a hell of a time varying speeds and revs. It all came at the cost of gas mileage and fatigue. Once broken in, though, cruise control was a life saver.
I know, varying speeds on the highway is going to be a pain. I'll try to throw in some back/country roads in the mix, so it's not all 4+ lane interstate, which should make it easier to vary speed.
I basically drove across Pennsylvania a few times. That's the turnpike and 332 up and down. Nothing but cows.
I kinda did that once. It's so long it's not even funny.
So, did the Corvette museum delivery think make delivery any faster?
QuoteSo, did the Corvette museum delivery think make delivery any faster?
I'm not sure, but it might (by maybe a week or so, nothing major).
My Mom's Audi was 800, and odly enough the salesman forgot about mentioning the break in for the Infiniti. Of course, I told my dad the whole shibang for him.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou vary your speeds and don't take it over 85 for the first thousand miles, probably.
That's pretty close to what I've read. What I've read is to vary the speed AND the RPMs, don't rev it up to high, and don't go above ~70-80mph for the first 500 miles. I haven't read the manual, but am going by what I've read elsewhere. I'll obviously read the manual when I get it.
Yeah--it's so hard though--when I got the Passat, I had to do about 700 highway miles that week, so I had a hell of a time varying speeds and revs. It all came at the cost of gas mileage and fatigue. Once broken in, though, cruise control was a life saver.
I know, varying speeds on the highway is going to be a pain. I'll try to throw in some back/country roads in the mix, so it's not all 4+ lane interstate, which should make it easier to vary speed.
I basically drove across Pennsylvania a few times. That's the turnpike and 332 up and down. Nothing but cows.
I kinda did that once. It's so long it's not even funny.
You northerners make me laugh. :P
Congratulations! That's going to be a beautiful machine sitting in your driveway. B) It's too bad you have to wait a while, but I'm sure it'll be worth it in the end.
QuoteCongratulations! That's going to be a beautiful machine sitting in your driveway. B) It's too bad you have to wait a while, but I'm sure it'll be worth it in the end.
Deciding what car you want is the easy part.
B)
Alright, I couldn't help myself. I made one last change to my order today - I added Nav. I was in a friend's brand new M35 over the weekend and decided the Nav was worth it (and I realize the chevy nav won't be as good as the M35's). I'll miss the 6-disc changer, but I got XM plus I'll probably eventually add some kind of adapter for my ipod, if I can find one that looks clean, which would essentially make CDs obsolete anyway.
You retard!
Navigation sucks.
;)
It does though. Buy a map.
QuoteYou retard!
Navigation sucks.?
;)
It does though.? Buy a map.
I agree that nav is not needed and I am capable of getting around with a map.
But it's cool. And maps aren't!
If I was buying a car based purely on what I need, I'd be getting a used civic. If I'm going to spend way too much money on my dream car, I might as well make it my dream car, totally unncecessary gadgets and all.
QuoteQuoteYou retard!
Navigation sucks.
;)
It does though. Buy a map.
I agree that nav is not needed and I am capable of getting around with a map.
But it's cool. And maps aren't!
Man--if you have a clock and you know where the sun is, you've got all the navigational satellites you need. Besides, what kind of fun is life when everything is already mapped out. Half the fun of a road trip is getting lost.
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou retard!
Navigation sucks.
;)
It does though. Buy a map.
I agree that nav is not needed and I am capable of getting around with a map.
But it's cool. And maps aren't!
Man--if you have a clock and you know where the sun is, you've got all the navigational satellites you need. Besides, what kind of fun is life when everything is already mapped out. Half the fun of a road trip is getting lost.
Agreed...
although..i have pretty damn good navigation skills and rarely get lost B)
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, useless gadgets are still cool.
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou retard!
Navigation sucks.?
;)
It does though.? Buy a map.
I agree that nav is not needed and I am capable of getting around with a map.
But it's cool. And maps aren't!
Man--if you have a clock and you know where the sun is, you've got all the navigational satellites you need. Besides, what kind of fun is life when everything is already mapped out. Half the fun of a road trip is getting lost.
That very much depends on where you get lost and how much cell phone battery you have left (because you always forget your car charger). <_<
I actually like Navigation systems. I was always against them and thought they were a waste of money until I used one and realized how convenient they are.
I use the GPS that I use on the boat for marine navigation (where it is a NECESSITY!), downloaded some road maps, they come in handy when I'm up north skiing and don't feel like searching for whatever cheap motel I booked after a day of hard skiing. Not really my cup of tea for driving (I like the whole map + take things as they come set up) but man it is nice to have sometimes.
I generally just memorize what roads I need to look for, and then consult a map if needed, but the few times I've used GPS (I took a pretty nice Garmin Streetpilot with me a few times) I kindof enjoyed being able to be lazy and just have it take me there. I wouldn't really use one that much, but I wouldn't mind having one just for fun.
I memorize where I have to go/turn, and then go.
I a map book in my car just in case though.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou retard!
Navigation sucks.
;)
It does though. Buy a map.
I agree that nav is not needed and I am capable of getting around with a map.
But it's cool. And maps aren't!
Man--if you have a clock and you know where the sun is, you've got all the navigational satellites you need. Besides, what kind of fun is life when everything is already mapped out. Half the fun of a road trip is getting lost.
That very much depends on where you get lost and how much cell phone battery you have left (because you always forget your car charger). <_<
I always leave my car charger in the car, since I can't use it anywhere else.
QuoteI use the GPS that I use on the boat for marine navigation (where it is a NECESSITY!), downloaded some road maps, they come in handy when I'm up north skiing and don't feel like searching for whatever cheap motel I booked after a day of hard skiing. Not really my cup of tea for driving (I like the whole map + take things as they come set up) but man it is nice to have sometimes.
Okay:
Boats don't have roads. Navigation seems like a good thing on that front.
In cars, not necessary.
QuoteI actually like Navigation systems. I was always against them and thought they were a waste of money until I used one and realized how convenient they are.
Automatic transmissions are also very convenient.
:blink:
QuoteI actually like Navigation systems. I was always against them and thought they were a waste of money until I used one and realized how convenient they are.
I'm in the same boat. When they first came out I thought "what a complete waste of money, who needs that", but now I think they're cool. They're definately not needed, but they are convenient. There are a lot of things in cars today that are no more necessary (and some arguably less useful) than Nav, that most people have in their cars today, for example 8 gagillion way power seats come to mind.
QuoteQuoteI actually like Navigation systems. I was always against them and thought they were a waste of money until I used one and realized how convenient they are.
Automatic transmissions are also very convenient.
:blink:
That's a completely bogus comparison. Autos are convenient to those who want them but they dull the driving experience for the rest of us. A nav system has absolutely no negative impact on the driving experience whatsoever, other than a very slight increase in weight.
Does it come with a sexy female voice? :D
QuoteQuoteI use the GPS that I use on the boat for marine navigation (where it is a NECESSITY!), downloaded some road maps, they come in handy when I'm up north skiing and don't feel like searching for whatever cheap motel I booked after a day of hard skiing. Not really my cup of tea for driving (I like the whole map + take things as they come set up) but man it is nice to have sometimes.
Okay:
In cars, not necessary.
Nobody here is arguing that they're "necessary". A 400hp V8 isn't "necessary", either, but I don't see you pointing that out.
As I said before, if we bought what was "necessary", 95% of the people on this forum would be driving either an econobox or a minivan.
QuoteDoes it come with a sexy female voice? :D
I haven't heard the voice, but I'm pretty sure it has one. No idea if it's sexy or not, hopefully it is :lol:
QuoteQuoteDoes it come with a sexy female voice? :D
I haven't heard the voice, but I'm pretty sure it has one. No idea if it's sexy or not, hopefully it is :lol:
My grandmother's '04 Accord has a nav that you can set to either guy or gal voice. Grandma always makes it the dude, grandpa the chick. :lol: Actually, that was a really fun system to play with.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI actually like Navigation systems. I was always against them and thought they were a waste of money until I used one and realized how convenient they are.
Automatic transmissions are also very convenient.
:blink:
That's a completely bogus comparison. Autos are convenient to those who want them but they dull the driving experience for the rest of us. A nav system has absolutely no negative impact on the driving experience whatsoever, other than a very slight increase in weight.
I absolutely love manuals and for the most part I hate autos...but, now that I live in the city and have to deal with rush hour traffic, my knee thanks me every day for selling my Mustang and getting an auto in my truck (besides it doesn't come with a manual AND a Hemi). There was never a vehicle I had more fun driving then the Mustang, but it was an absolute killer to my knee to drive in traffic.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI actually like Navigation systems. I was always against them and thought they were a waste of money until I used one and realized how convenient they are.
Automatic transmissions are also very convenient.
:blink:
That's a completely bogus comparison. Autos are convenient to those who want them but they dull the driving experience for the rest of us. A nav system has absolutely no negative impact on the driving experience whatsoever, other than a very slight increase in weight.
Besides the increase in weight, there's the removal of the excitement of navigating your way. In this society of subdual, it's all the spontaneity we can get.
QuoteQuoteI actually like Navigation systems. I was always against them and thought they were a waste of money until I used one and realized how convenient they are.
I'm in the same boat. When they first came out I thought "what a complete waste of money, who needs that", but now I think they're cool. They're definately not needed, but they are convenient. There are a lot of things in cars today that are no more necessary (and some arguably less useful) than Nav, that most people have in their cars today, for example 8 gagillion way power seats come to mind.
Those power seats are there to help the driver get into the best position comfortable. Much more useful than GPS.
How is that an improvement in comfort over manual adjustment, especially in cars that lack memory systems?
I personally find it much more convenient to yank the bar under the seat and push it fore and aft than waiting for the motor to inch it along, and don't have a problem turning knobs for height or lumbar adjustment either.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI actually like Navigation systems. I was always against them and thought they were a waste of money until I used one and realized how convenient they are.
Automatic transmissions are also very convenient.
:blink:
That's a completely bogus comparison. Autos are convenient to those who want them but they dull the driving experience for the rest of us. A nav system has absolutely no negative impact on the driving experience whatsoever, other than a very slight increase in weight.
Besides the increase in weight, there's the removal of the excitement of navigating your way. In this society of subdual, it's all the spontaneity we can get.
1) A GPS system can be turned off, an auto transmission can't be turned into a manual, so yes your comparison is still bogus.
2) I disagree with your statement about seats, I never had a problem in my last car that had manual seats, but to each his own.
3) Bottom line - if you don't like nav, then don't get it. You've made your point that you don't like it. I do. Kind of funny though reading an argument about how something is "not necessary" coming from somebody who throws a fit because the 2 year old Passat his parents bought him isn't good enough for him. Sounds like you don't make decisions based on pure necesity except for when necessity conveniently overlaps with your own preferences. I'm buying my car with my own hard earned money and I'll configure it as I want it, thank you very much.
Raza, I'm not trying to start an argument or a flame war or anything w/ point number 3), but you've made your point, you've beat the dead horse, move on.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI actually like Navigation systems. I was always against them and thought they were a waste of money until I used one and realized how convenient they are.
Automatic transmissions are also very convenient.
:blink:
That's a completely bogus comparison. Autos are convenient to those who want them but they dull the driving experience for the rest of us. A nav system has absolutely no negative impact on the driving experience whatsoever, other than a very slight increase in weight.
Besides the increase in weight, there's the removal of the excitement of navigating your way. In this society of subdual, it's all the spontaneity we can get.
1) A GPS system can be turned off, an auto transmission can't be turned into a manual, so yes your comparison is still bogus.
2) I disagree with your statement about seats, I never had a problem in my last car that had manual seats, but to each his own.
3) Bottom line - if you don't like nav, then don't get it. You've made your point that you don't like it. I do. Kind of funny though reading an argument about how something is "not necessary" coming from somebody who throws a fit because the 2 year old Passat his parents bought him isn't good enough for him. Sounds like you don't make decisions based on pure necesity except for when necessity conveniently overlaps with your own preferences. I'm buying my car with my own hard earned money and I'll configure it as I want it, thank you very much.
Raza, I'm not trying to start an argument or a flame war or anything w/ point number 3), but you've made your point, you've beat the dead horse, move on.
:rockon:
Okay, I see you're a bit touchy.
As a matter of fact, I prefer manual seats to power.
QuoteOkay, I see you're a bit touchy.
As a matter of fact, I prefer manual seats to power.
No, I'm not touchy at all actually. If I came across that way that's just one of the disadvantages of communcating via text on the internet. I'm not touchy or upset or anything, I just think you made your point multiple times and were starting to get a little, dare I say, bratty about it.
Anyway, like I said I like it and you don't have to leave it on all the time. If you want to carve up some back roads you can turn it off and feel free to get lost. When it's time to go home you can turn it on, or not.
But try getting lost sometime when your on your way to a job interview, or to take an important exam, or the hospital, or a gas station when your on empty, and I promise you that you won't think that kind of getting lost isn't so much fun.
Quote3) Bottom line - if you don't like nav, then don't get it. You've made your point that you don't like it. I do. Kind of funny though reading an argument about how something is "not necessary" coming from somebody who throws a fit because the 2 year old Passat his parents bought him isn't good enough for him. Sounds like you don't make decisions based on pure necesity except for when necessity conveniently overlaps with your own preferences. I'm buying my car with my own hard earned money and I'll configure it as I want it, thank you very much.
:praise:
Not a huge fan of Nav but some of the newer ones do a lot more than tell you directions. Good luck with it Lebowski.
I am not a big nav fan, but I understand the appeal and it is your money after all. I also don't care for power seats, keyless entry, keyless start, and other gadgets.
I'm a fan of the Nav, it makes life simpler. If, for example, you miss a turn for some reason or another, you know for sure that you missed it and can go back. With the memorization system, you just keep going hunting for the road not knowing you missed it. You could always stop and look at a map, but that takes a lot more time than having a "sexy female voice" tell you where you are.
QuoteI am not a big nav fan, but I understand the appeal and it is your money after all. I also don't care for power seats, keyless entry, keyless start, and other gadgets.
You must not live in cold weather :ph34r:
QuoteQuoteI am not a big nav fan, but I understand the appeal and it is your money after all. I also don't care for power seats, keyless entry, keyless start, and other gadgets.
You must not live in cold weather :ph34r:
Keyless start, not remote start. And, it does get in the 20s here.
I just got a call from my dealer today - target build date is Jan 23!! :rockon:
QuoteI just got a call from my dealer today - target build date is Jan 23!! :rockon:
Pissah! :rockon:
wow! we're looking at the same cars! the infiniti m35 is a great car for the money. if your work bonus is not large enough for the m45, this would be the most ideal choice, in my opinion. my best buddy has a gorgeous g35, but a new "g" is 'round the corner. the bmw 3-series could cost one the farm if loaded to the max; and man, the car is cramped! you cannot go wrong w/ an acura. the 2006 tsx has a new look w/ very cool wheels! however, the tl is probably the best of the best. quality is assured! for an american make, i's recommend the chrysler 300c or dodge daytona charger r/t! i currently own a 2004 nissan maxima se. it's flawless. the best bang for the buck, too!
happy shopping, man! let us know what you decide on ;) !
gee! i provided my opinion before reading all of the replies before mine, until now! :banghead: i get a little anxious, i guess. my advice to all -- never settle! one's car should mean everything to one, especially if one's an enthusiast like me!
great choice :clap: !!!
The M35X would be awesome around here.
QuoteThe M35X would be awesome around here.
not this winter unfortunately!
Quotegee! i provided my opinion before reading all of the replies before mine, until now! :banghead: i get a little anxious, i guess. my advice to all -- never settle! one's car should mean everything to one, especially if one's an enthusiast like me!
great choice :clap: !!!
Thanks man.
And no worries about your first post. I do that all the time (post my reply after reading only the first post in a thread).
I agree with your comments, though, the M35 and TSX are both great cars. If I were a little older and needed the 4 doors, I'd probably get the M35. But, as it is, I figure I have the rest of my life to drive fancy four door sedans, this may be the only time for a long while that I can realistically get a 2 seater as my daily driver.
QuoteThe M35X would be awesome around here.
Get one :rockon:
So, how long from the build date to the day you take delivery?
QuoteSo, how long from the build date to the day you take delivery?
Something like 2-3 weeks. I'm hoping to take delivery around mid-Feb.
I can't wait. You were definately right about how hard the wait is. This is absolute torture!
And it's going to get worse before it gets better. If you thought I was touchy the other night, be warned :devil: . I should be back to my old self again in about a month, though :D
I scheduled my Museum delivery today - Friday, Feb 24 :rockon:
That's a little later than I had hoped (partly because the plant says my build week is 1/30, not 1/23 as my dealer had stated), but I'm glad I have a concrete day now, and I'm really glad I got a spot on a Friday.
February 24? That should be about a month or two before I go out and get me a car of my own.
QuoteFebruary 24? That should be about a month or two before I go out and get me a car of my own.
Still getting the GTO, right?
QuoteQuoteFebruary 24? That should be about a month or two before I go out and get me a car of my own.
Still getting the GTO, right?
Your guess is as good as mine. Right now I'm flirting with a kit car.
Sweet! Must be nice to have a firm date to agonize over!
I hope your ready for the longest month of your life ;) :P
QuoteI hope your ready for the longest month of your life ;) :P
Believe me, I know, this past month has already been agonizing.
QuoteQuoteI hope your ready for the longest month of your life ;) :P
Believe me, I know, this past month has already been agonizing.
At least you don't have a pregnant girlfriend or anything.
I'm going to have to say the Corvette. I love the styling, the engine will blow your considerations right off the map in terms of performance and nothing in that range is as sexy as a Vette in black. But it does only have two seats and it's more expensive than your choices. That said, I would try to pick up a slightly used Vette rather than a new one so you can justify the purchase a bit more. The interior is comfortable, despite the interior materials being sub-par for what one expects in a 45K+ car. But they were not overtly offensive like in other GM products.
I'm getting the impression that I'm a couple of months and 20 pages or so late to the party.
QuoteI'm getting the impression that I'm a couple of months and 20 pages or so late to the party.
Yep but no one holds that against you!
welcome to the forums :D
Benzboy, you live in Orange County, right?
QuoteI'm getting the impression that I'm a couple of months and 20 pages or so late to the party.
LOL, no problem. At least we agree! Now, if you would have said "don't get the vette, it's ugly, underpowered, and it's an overpriced piece of GM trash," we'd have a problem.
don't get the vette, it's ugly, underpowered, and it's an overpriced piece of GM trash
:)
Don't worry man. I think the car you're going to buy is beautiful!
(http://www.jenalabs.com/pages/images/Our-C5_3-r.png)
Why did you post a picture of a C5? The C6 looks much better, especially in white imho:
(http://fototime.com/1C630FD9A61A9C9/standard.jpg)
I posted the C5 since it's tbe best looking Corvette ever made.
No it isn't, it is the worst looking one ever made.
^ yeah Raza dont you know you're not allowed to have your own opinion :rolleyes:
Why are you rolling eyes at me? I only made a definite statement after Raza did, and in this situation a picture of a C6 makes a lot more sense than one of the C5 anyway.
Thats my bad, I was skimming when I read the post and thought he said IMHO, but now I see that was your post :banghead:
QuoteNo it isn't, it is the worst looking one ever made.
I agree, IMO the C5 hasn't aged that well (it's not bad looking, just not one of the better looking vettes). I like the C6 alot, it's my favorite looking vette since the C2. I also like it in white, surprisingly, as I don't usually like white cars.
QuoteWhy are you rolling eyes at me? I only made a definite statement after Raza did, and in this situation a picture of a C6 makes a lot more sense than one of the C5 anyway.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know I had to write "in my opinion" after every statement I write.
Sounds like you're overly touchy, in my opinion. In my opinion, you should lighten the fuck up. In my opinion, I was just busting on Lebowsky a little bit.
I'm sorry, in my opinion. I didn't realize, in my opinion, this forum was populated by such overly sensitive pricks.
You stated your opinion, I stated mine. I was entirely serious there.
I have to admit, I think the C3 was pretty hot:
(http://www.stingray.nu/months/feb05/5.jpg)
C2 were good looking too.
Quiz time: What year is this Vette?
(http://www.cameronparkcorvettes.org/images/Jim's%20split%20window.JPG)
Clearly a 1963, only year with a split window.
Also, the C2 and C6 are my favorite generations, I don't care for the C1, C3, or C5 and though I like the C4 it wouldn't seem right to have three favorites ;) . But, the only Corvette I would buy is a C2 convertible, I am just not a Corvette kind of guy (too stuck-up I suppose, I'll take a 911 please ;) :P :praise:).
But it says 2001 in the photo.
QuoteClearly a 1963, only year with a split window.
Ah, you beat me, but I did know the answer.
QuoteBenzboy, you live in Orange County, right?
I live in costal north San Diego county. Encinitas/Leucadia.
QuoteBut it says 2001 in the photo.
:P booo, bad joke :nono:
So, Lebowski, when are you taking delivery?
24th or 27th IIRC
I'm pretty sure it's the 24th.
Let's all stake out by the front door of the Vette factory and bum test drives off him :thumbsup:
QuoteLet's all stake out by the front door of the Vette factory and bum test drives off him :thumbsup:
Better yet, let's kill him and steal it after he takes delivery.
QuoteQuoteLet's all stake out by the front door of the Vette factory and bum test drives off him :thumbsup:
Better yet, let's kill him and steal it after he takes delivery.
Ok, don't forget the shovel :P
And then we won't even adhere to the manufacturer recommended break-in period!!!!!
It's the 24th.
And it has a clear hatch. Big enough to stash a body, but you guys won't get far with it visible from the outside.
QuoteIt's the 24th.
And it has a clear hatch. Big enough to stash a body, but you guys won't get far with it visible from the outside.
Do you think I'm not prepared? Blankets.
Or I'll hack you up and put you in trash bags stuffed into suitcases.
QuoteQuoteIt's the 24th.
And it has a clear hatch.? Big enough to stash a body, but you guys won't get far with it visible from the outside.
Do you think I'm not prepared? Blankets.
Or I'll hack you up and put you in trash bags stuffed into suitcases.
I could kick your ass anyway, with or without your shovel. :hammerhead:
:lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's the 24th.
And it has a clear hatch.? Big enough to stash a body, but you guys won't get far with it visible from the outside.
Do you think I'm not prepared? Blankets.
Or I'll hack you up and put you in trash bags stuffed into suitcases.
I could kick your ass anyway, with or without your shovel. :hammerhead:
:lol:
:lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's the 24th.
And it has a clear hatch. Big enough to stash a body, but you guys won't get far with it visible from the outside.
Do you think I'm not prepared? Blankets.
Or I'll hack you up and put you in trash bags stuffed into suitcases.
I could kick your ass anyway, with or without your shovel. :hammerhead:
:lol:
He aint lying to you, just look at his avatar. Hes a "beaty uppy" kinda guy.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's the 24th.
And it has a clear hatch. Big enough to stash a body, but you guys won't get far with it visible from the outside.
Do you think I'm not prepared? Blankets.
Or I'll hack you up and put you in trash bags stuffed into suitcases.
I could kick your ass anyway, with or without your shovel. :hammerhead:
:lol:
Are you kidding me, Mr.-No-Hair-Under-My-Neck? Your best bet would be to grease up and run, since you're all slippery.
:wtf:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt's the 24th.
And it has a clear hatch.? Big enough to stash a body, but you guys won't get far with it visible from the outside.
Do you think I'm not prepared? Blankets.
Or I'll hack you up and put you in trash bags stuffed into suitcases.
I could kick your ass anyway, with or without your shovel. :hammerhead:
:lol:
Are you kidding me, Mr.-No-Hair-Under-My-Neck? Your best bet would be to grease up and run, since you're all slippery.
:wtf:
Bring it on, momma's boy.
Only a few more days.
[size=8]till I kick your ass, you slippery white son of a bitch[/size]
Props to Raza, that was solid.
To Lebowski: :rockon: make sure we get many pics
Be careful at first cause the new tires might be slippery.
QuoteBe careful at first cause the new tires might be slippery.
Gigantic burnout should warm them up, and get the gunk off.
QuoteQuoteBe careful at first cause the new tires might be slippery.
Gigantic burnout should warm them up, and get the gunk off.
Yeah, the burnout I will perform after you club him with the shovel :thumbsup:
QuoteQuoteQuoteBe careful at first cause the new tires might be slippery.
Gigantic burnout should warm them up, and get the gunk off.
Yeah, the burnout I will perform after you club him with the shovel :thumbsup:
I think I'll do it after we bury him. You may not be ready for that kind of power right away.
:devil:
Inside of a week :rockon:
The days are getting slower and slower. This is torture. I get a 3 day weekend, though, which helps alot, and I'm taking Friday off (will be in Bowling Green picking it up that day), so the 3 day work week should make the time go faster.
QuoteInside of a week :rockon:
The days are getting slower and slower. This is torture. I get a 3 day weekend, though, which helps alot, and I'm taking Friday off (will be in Bowling Green picking it up that day), so the 3 day work week should make the time go faster.
I'm not endorsing this, but...
You could get blackout drunk all day so it feels like it goes by very quickly.
Four days now.
Doesn't it just feel like the clock is moving backwards?
:devil:
QuoteFour days now.
Doesn't it just feel like the clock is moving backwards?
:devil:
Remind us when you get a car, we'll be cooking up some shit for you right before you get it :lol:
Lebowski is probably jumping off the walls now, leave the poor guy alone :nono: :lol:
QuoteQuoteFour days now.
Doesn't it just feel like the clock is moving backwards?
:devil:
Remind us when you get a car, we'll be cooking up some shit for you right before you get it :lol:
Lebowski is probably jumping off the walls now, leave the poor guy alone :nono: :lol:
I've had too many false starts. The next thread about my next car that you see will have pictures of my car.
You're done asking for advice and taking test drives? :(
QuoteYou're done asking for advice and taking test drives? :(
Oh, we all know he only asked for advice to appear to care what we thought... :P
QuoteQuoteYou're done asking for advice and taking test drives? :(
Oh, we all know he only asked for advice to appear to care what we thought... :P
I think I've pretty much gotten all the advice that's been offered. Nothing new has come out, my needs haven't changed, and until they make an A3 3.2 Quattro with a 6 speed or a 130i here, then I'm fairly set.
QuoteQuoteFour days now.
Doesn't it just feel like the clock is moving backwards?
:devil:
Remind us when you get a car, we'll be cooking up some shit for you right before you get it :lol:
Lebowski is probably jumping off the walls now, leave the poor guy alone :nono: :lol:
Haha, thanks.
And, time has stopped for me. This is torture.
QuoteQuoteQuoteFour days now.
Doesn't it just feel like the clock is moving backwards?
:devil:
Remind us when you get a car, we'll be cooking up some shit for you right before you get it :lol:
Lebowski is probably jumping off the walls now, leave the poor guy alone :nono: :lol:
Haha, thanks.
And, time has stopped for me. This is torture.
You could get soused until the 23rd.
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou're done asking for advice and taking test drives? :(
Oh, we all know he only asked for advice to appear to care what we thought... :P
I think I've pretty much gotten all the advice that's been offered. Nothing new has come out, my needs haven't changed, and until they make an A3 3.2 Quattro with a 6 speed or a 130i here, then I'm fairly set.
What happened to the GTO?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou're done asking for advice and taking test drives? :(
Oh, we all know he only asked for advice to appear to care what we thought... :P
I think I've pretty much gotten all the advice that's been offered. Nothing new has come out, my needs haven't changed, and until they make an A3 3.2 Quattro with a 6 speed or a 130i here, then I'm fairly set.
What happened to the GTO?
And what new car have you chosen?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou're done asking for advice and taking test drives? :(
Oh, we all know he only asked for advice to appear to care what we thought... :P
I think I've pretty much gotten all the advice that's been offered. Nothing new has come out, my needs haven't changed, and until they make an A3 3.2 Quattro with a 6 speed or a 130i here, then I'm fairly set.
What happened to the GTO?
And what new car have you chosen?
Yeah, I'm not telling.
FYI, a webcam that will show my car on Friday (and maybe Thursday also, depending on when they bring it into the delivery stall) is available on the NCM website:
NCM Webcam (http://www.corvettemuseum.com/webcam/)
It'll be under one of the 6 delivery bays along the bottom (not sure which bay yet but it'll be the black C6 w/ comp gray wheels, you shouldn't have much trouble finding it). You can actually watch me take delivery on there, but I don't know what time that will actually be (I'm guessing around 4-5pm on Friday).
QuoteFYI, a webcam that will show my car on Friday (and maybe Thursday also, depending on when they bring it into the delivery stall) is available on the NCM website:
NCM Webcam (http://www.corvettemuseum.com/webcam/)
It'll be under one of the 6 delivery bays along the bottom (not sure which bay yet but it'll be the black C6 w/ comp gray wheels, you shouldn't have much trouble finding it). You can actually watch me take delivery on there, but I don't know what time that will actually be (I'm guessing around 4-5pm on Friday).
Like I have nothing better to do on a Friday afternoon than watch some whiteboy pickup a fiberglass American Cavalier or something?
[size=8]I apologize, it's not a Cavalier, it's awesome, and I don't have anything better to do on a Friday afternoon[/size]
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou're done asking for advice and taking test drives? :(
Oh, we all know he only asked for advice to appear to care what we thought... :P
I think I've pretty much gotten all the advice that's been offered. Nothing new has come out, my needs haven't changed, and until they make an A3 3.2 Quattro with a 6 speed or a 130i here, then I'm fairly set.
What happened to the GTO?
And what new car have you chosen?
Yeah, I'm not telling.
Legacy GT is my guess.
QuoteQuoteFYI, a webcam that will show my car on Friday (and maybe Thursday also, depending on when they bring it into the delivery stall) is available on the NCM website:
NCM Webcam (http://www.corvettemuseum.com/webcam/)
It'll be under one of the 6 delivery bays along the bottom (not sure which bay yet but it'll be the black C6 w/ comp gray wheels, you shouldn't have much trouble finding it).? You can actually watch me take delivery on there, but I don't know what time that will actually be (I'm guessing around 4-5pm on Friday).
Like I have nothing better to do on a Friday afternoon than watch some whiteboy pickup a fiberglass American Cavalier or something?
[size=8]I apologize, it's not a Cavalier, it's awesome, and I don't have anything better to do on a Friday afternoon[/size]
LOL, I don't expect you to wait around for me to pick it up, but you may want to click on there at some point during the day to get a glimpse of the car.
Also, my tour starts at 11:15am, so there's a good chance there will be a white boy standing in front of the car at around 10:45-11:00ish drooling all over it, obviously that would be me (I plan to get there 20-30 mins early to get in a few minutes of pre-tour drooling time).
Nice. I really hope it doesn't get collapsed on or anything.
Cool. I wish Cadillac offered that as well. I'm getting impatient waiting on the replacement for the junk STS sitting in the garage.
Enjoy every minute of it and make them make you leave!!!
QuoteCool. I wish Cadillac offered that as well. I'm getting impatient waiting on the replacement for the junk STS sitting in the garage.
Enjoy every minute of it and make them make you leave!!!
Are you getting another STS?
QuoteQuoteCool. I wish Cadillac offered that as well. I'm getting impatient waiting on the replacement for the junk STS sitting in the garage.
Enjoy every minute of it and make them make you leave!!!
Are you getting another STS?
NO! Cadillac would have to PAY ME to get another one.
QuoteQuoteQuoteCool. I wish Cadillac offered that as well. I'm getting impatient waiting on the replacement for the junk STS sitting in the garage.
Enjoy every minute of it and make them make you leave!!!
Are you getting another STS?
NO! Cadillac would have to PAY ME to get another one.
Have you chosen on something new? If not, I can definitely help.
Other people can as well, but I'm the best.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCool.? I wish Cadillac offered that as well.? I'm getting impatient waiting on the replacement for the junk STS sitting in the garage.
Enjoy every minute of it and make them make you leave!!!
Are you getting another STS?
NO! Cadillac would have to PAY ME to get another one.
Have you chosen on something new? If not, I can definitely help.
Other people can as well, but I'm the best.
GM agreed to buy-back the car and give me full sticker price credit toward the purchase of another GM vehicle, and the only GM vehicles I find remotely interesting are Cadillac and Corvette, so another Cadillac it is. I already have an SUV so Escalade was out. My sister has a CTS and I really don't like it, and after the experience with this STS (fully optioned V8 save ACC and AWD), I was left with XLR or DTS. I liked the XLR, but its too impractical for my business, so I settled and I mean SETTLED for a fully optioned DTS. Since I've had so many of them I really didn't want another, which is why I picked the STS. Although I really can't say how I ended up with the STS because the only cars I seriously considered were an S500 or LS430 Ultra.
Wow that was long. If you've any more questions, feel free to ask.
Was this recent? You know they made the changeover to RWD STS models, right?
GTOs are GM also :)
QuoteWas this recent? You know they made the changeover to RWD STS models, right?
GTOs are GM also :)
Its a 2005 STS I picked up last August and started having all sorts of engine and electrical problems mid October. GM finally made the buy-back decision middle of last month. I inquired as to what kind of timeline as far as making a decision on a replacement vehicle and the reply was "time is of the essence." I had argued and wanted GM to take the vehicle back no strings attached, and considering the number of Cadillacs our family has owned over the years, didn't think it an unreasonable request, especially this car being a lease.
Since this vehicle is my daily driver, I wanted a luxury car, and the budget I set for myself (and no one make any snide comments) was no more than $100K, which is why I'm still asking myself how I have this STS in my driveway.
I decided to go back to the DTS because its what I know, and they've always served me well, the only problem being everyone thinks they're an old mans car.
QuoteQuoteWas this recent? You know they made the changeover to RWD STS models, right?
GTOs are GM also :)
Its a 2005 STS I picked up last August and started having all sorts of engine and electrical problems mid October. GM finally made the buy-back decision middle of last month. I inquired as to what kind of timeline as far as making a decision on a replacement vehicle and the reply was "time is of the essence." I had argued and wanted GM to take the vehicle back no strings attached, and considering the number of Cadillacs our family has owned over the years, didn't think it an unreasonable request, especially this car being a lease.
Since this vehicle is my daily driver, I wanted a luxury car, and the budget I set for myself (and no one make any snide comments) was no more than $100K, which is why I'm still asking myself how I have this STS in my driveway.
I decided to go back to the DTS because its what I know, and they've always served me well, the only problem being everyone thinks they're an old mans car.
Oh, okay it was a 2005.
Don't expect any snide comments from me--my first car was a brand new E320.
Shame about the STS, though. The last generation DTS was a tad soft, but it's a solid car. Not the type of thing that I'd buy, though.
Hope everything works out.
QuoteQuoteQuoteWas this recent?? You know they made the changeover to RWD STS models, right??
GTOs are GM also :)
Its a 2005 STS I picked up last August and started having all sorts of engine and electrical problems mid October. GM finally made the buy-back decision middle of last month. I inquired as to what kind of timeline as far as making a decision on a replacement vehicle and the reply was "time is of the essence." I had argued and wanted GM to take the vehicle back no strings attached, and considering the number of Cadillacs our family has owned over the years, didn't think it an unreasonable request, especially this car being a lease.
Since this vehicle is my daily driver, I wanted a luxury car, and the budget I set for myself (and no one make any snide comments) was no more than $100K, which is why I'm still asking myself how I have this STS in my driveway.
I decided to go back to the DTS because its what I know, and they've always served me well, the only problem being everyone thinks they're an old mans car.
Oh, okay it was a 2005.
Don't expect any snide comments from me--my first car was a brand new E320.
Shame about the STS, though. The last generation DTS was a tad soft, but it's a solid car. Not the type of thing that I'd buy, though.
Hope everything works out.
I've always had new cars, and I know the rule about not buying one in the first year, but I ignored that inner voice. Of course, with all the Cadillacs we've owned, never had a problem out of any of them, so I had every reason to expect the same of this one.
Things will work out, just not exactly as I'd planned. But, then again, rarely does anything go smoothly for me.
Things always go wrong when you ignore that inner voice, eh?
I think I've given up on new cars, for the most part. Especially cars with high markups, like Porsches. If I were to have bought a new 996 gen 911, it would have been around 85 grand--an identical model on the used market would be under 50.
Also, very few new cars pique my interest anymore. They're all too large, soft, fat, or computer controlled.
QuoteThings always go wrong when you ignore that inner voice, eh?
I think I've given up on new cars, for the most part. Especially cars with high markups, like Porsches. If I were to have bought a new 996 gen 911, it would have been around 85 grand--an identical model on the used market would be under 50.
Also, very few new cars pique my interest anymore. They're all too large, soft, fat, or computer controlled.
I'm glad to hear someone else say that. Most of the cars I drove really didn't impress me that much. Yes, they're loaded with new comfort and convenience features not available just a few years ago, but the underlying cars themselves arent drastically improved, and in several instances I preferred the older version of the car better.
So much for progress.
QuoteQuoteThings always go wrong when you ignore that inner voice, eh?
I think I've given up on new cars, for the most part. Especially cars with high markups, like Porsches. If I were to have bought a new 996 gen 911, it would have been around 85 grand--an identical model on the used market would be under 50.
Also, very few new cars pique my interest anymore. They're all too large, soft, fat, or computer controlled.
I'm glad to hear someone else say that. Most of the cars I drove really didn't impress me that much. Yes, they're loaded with new comfort and convenience features not available just a few years ago, but the underlying cars themselves arent drastically improved, and in several instances I preferred the older version of the car better.
So much for progress.
The problem is that they all think more is progress, bigger is progress--they think movement in any direction is progress.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Different doesn't always mean better.
QuoteI've said it before, and I'll say it again: Different doesn't always mean better.
Very true.
What ... is ... killing ... me!
(And I'm pretty drunk off of my new fav, Belvenie again, so I'm taking your advice Raza B) )
Hey, I have it reaalllll rough, too! An entire extra day of delay, thanks to my getting the registration process barfed up. Imagine that? A whole day! That's 24 hours! :blink:
QuoteHey, I have it reaalllll rough, too! An entire extra day of delay, thanks to my getting the registration process barfed up. Imagine that? A whole day! That's 24 hours! :blink:
Actually, that would suck, sorry man. :lol:
IIRC, You're picking your car up today!!!! The pics will be pouring in soon, I am excited.
I'm looking at it now its in Delivery bay #2. It looks amazing B)
For the lazy ones: http://delivery2.corvettemuseum.com/axis-c...x240&dummy=garb (http://delivery2.corvettemuseum.com/axis-cgi/mjpg/video.cgi?resolution=320x240&dummy=garb)
hahaha thats sweet!
Black on black. :rockon:
I dont think he's taking delivery of it for another 2-3 hours.
Today is the day?
Congrats Lebowski!
RJM: Did you not like the STS or you just think its an unreliable car?
I know you had a bad experience but statistically Cadillac is one of the most reliable brands to buy...I think only Lexus is ahead of them.
Also, it may be worth considering getting a Buick Lucerne CXS instead of the DTS. Same basic car, and with the extra "credit" you can get a Pontiac Solstice or something. :lol:
I just checked out the webcam, very cool looking car.
I am sure you have heard this enough, but the black + grey wheels = great combo. :rockon:
Yea, it looks hot!
Wow, what a nice looking car!!
Here is a picture of it for the lazy ones :P
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/BMWDave/LCorvette.jpg)
I think he's picking it up now. I can see people messing with his car. :lol:
Awesome, now get those people off of that black paint! :rage:
Some dude keeps walking back and forth with a phone to his ear.
QuoteSome dude keeps walking back and forth with a phone to his ear.
That's probably Adam!
QuoteQuoteSome dude keeps walking back and forth with a phone to his ear.
That's probably Adam!
There's two guys in the car and they've been there for a while. Must be the Lebowski!
Looks like someone is giving him a run down of how all of the interior stuff works right now :rockon:
QuoteLooks like someone is giving him a run down of how all of the interior stuff works right now :rockon:
Could the guy in the black jacket be his dad?
Whos the bald guy :lol:
QuoteWhos the bald guy :lol:
I was thinking it might be his father.
QuoteQuoteWhos the bald guy :lol:
I was thinking it might be his father.
definitely possible, although the guy isnt exactly bald. The overhead web cam sort of accentuates that :lol:
I would think so.
Lebowski.........black jacket, yellow shirt?
Car gone.
Stolen, probably.
;)
I'm halfway up rte 95 guys. Let me tell you, this car rules. And Adam fit in the trunk!
QuoteI'm halfway up rte 95 guys. Let me tell you, this car rules. And Adam fit in the trunk!
I assume you're typing that with a third appendage, then? <_< :lol:
Swing by, I want a turn at the wheel.
QuoteQuoteI'm halfway up rte 95 guys. Let me tell you, this car rules. And Adam fit in the trunk!
I assume you're typing that with a third appendage, then? <_< :lol:
Swing by, I want a turn at the wheel.
Hehe, I wish. Actually it's probably Adam who's halfway up 95.
It must be hard adhering to the under 3000rpm(or whatever it is).
Fortunantly that thing has a massive amount of low-end power :rockon:
QuoteFortunantly that thing has a massive amount of low-end power :rockon:
Mmmm Hmmm
:ph34r: : B)
You take what you can get :P
QuoteToday is the day?
Congrats Lebowski!
RJM: Did you not like the STS or you just think its an unreliable car?
I know you had a bad experience but statistically Cadillac is one of the most reliable brands to buy...I think only Lexus is ahead of them.
Also, it may be worth considering getting a Buick Lucerne CXS instead of the DTS. Same basic car, and with the extra "credit" you can get a Pontiac Solstice or something. :lol:
Both. My STS needs a new engine and electrical system. Dealer tried replacing the Navigation/Voice Recognition system hoping that might help some of the problems, but to no avail. In all the Cadillacs we've owned, we've never had any problems out of them. Until this one. I've joked with the guys in service that this one is making up for all those years of smooth sailing.
Since this car is my daily driver and I rarely pass 50mph during my commute, I prefer a luxury car to a sports car, that's mainly why I continue to buy Cadillacs. But I was growing tired of driving DeVilles so I thought I'd try something different. I wanted something with a little more sport than the DeVille has, but I didn't want a full on sports sedan, which is exactly what the STS is. Its a sports sedan with a little Cadillac luxury thrown in for good measure. If I'd taken a more extensive test drive, I would've never taken the car. But I assumed too much based on all my prior years of Cadillac experience. In many respects my STS really is a four door Corvette. I like the style and design of the car, but as a daily driver (for me anyway) its just too firm and stiff.
Cadillacs and a Corvette are the only GM vehicles I'd even consider owning, and since GM wouldn't take the care back no strings attached, I decided to just go with what I know, which is why I decided on another DTS.
As for another car, my father and I would have been discussing buying a Z06 as a weekend car, so who knows, maybe you might see me on one of those cameras in the not so distant future...
Sorry to go on so long, hope that answers your questions.
Lebowski..you lucky bastard
QuoteLebowski.........black jacket, yellow shirt?
Yup, that was me ... and both me and my dad are bald
ING but not quite there yet.
QuoteQuoteLebowski.........black jacket, yellow shirt?
Yup, that was me ... and both me and my dad are baldING but not quite there yet.
PICS NOW!
QuoteQuoteLebowski.........black jacket, yellow shirt?
Yup, that was me ... and both me and my dad are baldING but not quite there yet.
Well, care to give us the details? We want a review! :lol: :rockon:
Is this the Lebowski Family :lol:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/BMWDave/c05f2c5b.jpg)
QuoteQuoteQuoteLebowski.........black jacket, yellow shirt?
Yup, that was me ... and both me and my dad are baldING but not quite there yet.
PICS NOW!
Uploading now!
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLebowski.........black jacket, yellow shirt?
Yup, that was me ... and both me and my dad are baldING but not quite there yet.
PICS NOW!
Uploading now!
I'm looking forward to seeing them! :rockon:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLebowski.........black jacket, yellow shirt?
Yup, that was me ... and both me and my dad are baldING but not quite there yet.
PICS NOW!
Uploading now!
I'm looking forward to them more than Dave
QuoteIs this the Lebowski Family :lol:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/BMWDave/c05f2c5b.jpg)
Lol, that's me by the driver's side door, that's my dad on the bottom left, and the guy in red works at the museum, was our museum tour/delivery guy, lance, a real good guy.
QuoteQuoteIs this the Lebowski Family :lol:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/BMWDave/c05f2c5b.jpg)
Lol, that's me by the driver's side door, that's my dad on the bottom left, and the guy in red works at the museum, was our museum tour/delivery guy, lance, a real good guy.
Yup, I knew it was you and your dad, so I saved the picture, so you would see what the webcam looked like. :D All of us on carspin watched you take delivery of your car--thats pretty much unheard of :thumbsup:
So, I cant wait to see the pics B) :rockon:
Can you move the car in first without using the gas pedal given it's monstrous torque?
QuoteCan you move the car in first without using the gas pedal given it's monstrous torque?
of course you can...if a shitty six banger 'stang can do it then i bet a C6 can
edit...i misread
Quote from: footoflead,Feb 26 2006, 01:02 AMQuote from: Tom,Feb 25 2006, 11:01 PMCan you move the car in first without using the gas pedal given it's monstrous torque?
edit - nevermind, maybe i was wrong.
QuoteQuoteCan you move the car in first without using the gas pedal given it's monstrous torque?
of course you can...if a shitty six banger 'stang can do it then i bet a C6 can
edit...i misread
CONFUSED
QuoteQuoteQuoteCan you move the car in first without using the gas pedal given it's monstrous torque?
well tom..you see there is this thing called a neutral saftey switch..that keeps idiots from doing that unknowingly ;)
yeah, i dont think it's possible to move any manual tranny car forward in 1st w/o gas (unless you're rolling down a hill), regardless of torque.
Pics should be up in about 5 mins or less, guys (photobucket is sloooow).
Sure it is, as long as you let out the clutch slow enough.
Of course you can, you just have to let the clutch out slow, even the Subaru with its little 4 banger can do it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCan you move the car in first without using the gas pedal given it's monstrous torque?
well tom..you see there is this thing called a neutral saftey switch..that keeps idiots from doing that unknowingly ;)
yeah, i dont think it's possible to move any manual tranny car forward in 1st w/o gas (unless you're rolling down a hill), regardless of torque.
Pics should be up in about 5 mins or less, guys (photobucket is sloooow).
Sure it is, as long as you let out the clutch slow enough.
Doh, you got me before I edited my last post ... I didn't know that, I'll have to try it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteCan you move the car in first without using the gas pedal given it's monstrous torque?
of course you can...if a shitty six banger 'stang can do it then i bet a C6 can
edit...i misread
CONFUSED
see lebowski's post for my original post...
i thought about it for a second and realized i we werent talking about the same thing :blink:
QuoteOf course you can, you just have to let the clutch out slow, even the Subaru with its little 4 banger can do it.
I mean, if you let it out at regular speed(maybe a little slower) will it stall? I suppose they adjust the gearing.
Pics:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture004.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture001.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture007.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture008.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture012.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture050.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture057.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture057.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture058.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture059.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture060.jpg)
And a few shots of the ZO6 in the delivery bay next to mine:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture009.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/Picture010.jpg)
Gorgeous!!!!! :rockon: Competition wheels plus Black makes for a truly spectacular combination!! What a beautiful ride, I'm sure you'll enjoy it immensely! :wave:
so yours isnt the Z06 eh...to bad...just kidding
Hope you enjoy it...
That.
Is.
So.
Bad.
Ass.
:thumbsup:
QuoteThat.
Is.
So.
Bad.
Ass.
:thumbsup:
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/nodding.gif)
Nice. B) :rockon:
And, my comments after about 10 hours behind the wheel of the car ... it's simply amazing. I came in with high expectations of this car, and they were surpassed. Obviously, I knew it was an excellent performer, but after driving about 2 hours last night and another 8 today (ok actually my dad drove about 1.5 of those hours today), what surprised me is how great it is as an all around car. It's comfortable, it's smooth, it's a great highway cruiser, it's even reasonably quiet. After sitting in the car for essentially the entire day today, neither of us had any complaints about back or butt soreness.
Breaking it in was really tough. I broke it in pretty good but didn't follow the instructions exactly. GM says to vary the speed, don't give too much throttle, don't bring RPMs too high, and keep it under 55 ... I did all of that except I couldn't keep it under 55 (I averaged about 55 for the first 200 miles or so, then averaged more like 70 for the next three). The weather was great for the first half of the drive back, and last night and this morning we had some great 2-lane twisty country roads to drive on. It handled great on those roads, with plenty of grip. For about 4-5 hours of the driving we did today, it poured (and unfortunately this included the period when we crossed the 500 mile mark ... I'd been all set to drop it in 3rd and floor it when I finished the break in, but when this actually happened we were in the middle of a torrential downpour in the middle of Georgia).
Overall, the car seems held together really well. There weren't any creaks or rattles that were discernable to me, the steering is pretty precise, there's more power than you could ever need, and there's plenty of grip. The ride is pretty firm, it's very comfortable on smooth highways but you definately feel uneven road services, like railroad tracks. I'm not sure if you'd want the Z51 suspension if you live in an area with really poor roads, but I think it will be ok for where I am (except for the damned brick streets they have here, I'll have to avoid those).
The interior quality is pretty good IMO, not great, I'm not saying it should win any awards, but it's certainly adequate, and I think a lot of the reviews I've read that nitpick the interior quality are unduly harsh. The interior materials are very good by GM standards, just ok compared to imports. Overall, compared to the other cars I looked at, I'd say the interior quality is comparable to say the G35 - near the bottom of the pack in the group I looked at, but certainly adequate. The one standout component of interior, IMO, is the instrument cluster, which I think is great (and that's the regular analog cluster - the HUD makes it even better). The nav system also ties everything togother, and after using it for a day and a half, I'm glad I got it.
On the negatives - after a day and a half of driving, the only thing I can really call out is the shifter. I don't think it's bad, but it definately isn't one of the better shifters I've used, as it's somewhat clunky.
I guess the wildcard/unknown is reliability - only time will tell on that one, and I'll keep you guys posted.
Thanks for following me on the webcam yesterday, guys, that's pretty cool that you guys were watching me. :thumbsup:
Sweeeeet! Congrats! That car looks like it was well worth the wait! 8 hours behind the wheel today??? What better way to spend a Saturday! The wheels are awesome and the overall look is pure badass. B) Bet you can't wait for the end of breakin period! :rockon:
DAMMIT, I missed it! I had planned to watch you take delivery too. I think I was in a meeting.
How'd it do in the wet?
QuoteSweeeeet! Congrats! That car looks like it was well worth the wait! 8 hours behind the wheel today??? What better way to spend a Saturday! The wheels are awesome and the overall look is pure badass. B) Bet you can't wait for the end of breakin period! :rockon:
Breakin is done :lol:
Unfortunately, I haven't had an opportunity to really push it, as the breakin was finished in the middle of a monsoon. Hopefully tomorrow I'll find some dry open road w/ no traffic.
Jealousy has taken over.
QuoteDAMMIT, I missed it! I had planned to watch you take delivery too. I think I was in a meeting. :(
How'd it do in the wet?
No problem, man, I'm actually pleasantly surprised by how many people were able to watch, I realize everyone has work and stuff.
It did ok in the wet. Wet traction definately isn't one of the strongpoints of the goodyear eagle F1 runflats, but it was sufficient, in my opinion. It was no AWD subaru, but i didn't feel like my life was in danger or anything.
Awesome ride man. Perfect body color/wheel combo. Many years of enjoyment ahead. B)
QuoteGorgeous!!!!! :rockon: Competition wheels plus Black makes for a truly spectacular combination!! What a beautiful ride, I'm sure you'll enjoy it immensely! :wave:
Thanks ... and I agree! I'd actually never seen the competition gray and black combo in person until I saw it on my car (I saw it in pictures, as I posted earlier), so I was taking something of a gamble, but it paid off . The combo looks even better in person, IMO. It's really a stunning combination.
I'm definately glad I went with the black, too. This is now my 3rd black car (out of 3 cars I've had, a 95 Prelude, a 99 F150, and now this), and each time I tell myself that my next car won't be black. But I couldn't resist the temptation, and after seeing it in person, I'm confident I made the right choice (although I'll admit the lemans blue and the darker red both look stunning as well).
QuoteNo problem, man, I'm actually pleasantly surprised by how many people were able to watch, I realize everyone has work and stuff.
It did ok in the wet. Wet traction definately isn't one of the strongpoints of the goodyear eagle F1 runflats, but it was sufficient, in my opinion. It was no AWD subaru, but i didn't feel like my life was in danger or anything.
Does it have ESP (if so, hopefully one you can turn off!) I'll bet with ESP and all that beautiful torque, you can still put your foot into it in the wet. :rockon:
QuoteQuoteNo problem, man, I'm actually pleasantly surprised by how many people were able to watch, I realize everyone has work and stuff.
It did ok in the wet. Wet traction definately isn't one of the strongpoints of the goodyear eagle F1 runflats, but it was sufficient, in my opinion. It was no AWD subaru, but i didn't feel like my life was in danger or anything.
Does it have ESP (if so, hopefully one you can turn off!) I'll bet with ESP and all that beautiful torque, you can still put your foot into it in the wet. :rockon:
Yeah, it has traction control/stability control, and yes, both can be turned off. I won't be doing that anytime soon, though.
QuoteQuoteQuoteNo problem, man, I'm actually pleasantly surprised by how many people were able to watch, I realize everyone has work and stuff.
It did ok in the wet. Wet traction definately isn't one of the strongpoints of the goodyear eagle F1 runflats, but it was sufficient, in my opinion. It was no AWD subaru, but i didn't feel like my life was in danger or anything.
Does it have ESP (if so, hopefully one you can turn off!) I'll bet with ESP and all that beautiful torque, you can still put your foot into it in the wet. :rockon:
Yeah, it has traction control/stability control, and yes, both can be turned off. I won't be doing that anytime soon, though.
Please dont wreck it anytime soon..or ever..
we might have to kill you :P
QuoteAnd, my comments after about 10 hours behind the wheel of the car ... it's simply amazing. I came in with high expectations of this car, and they were surpassed. Obviously, I knew it was an excellent performer, but after driving about 2 hours last night and another 8 today (ok actually my dad drove about 1.5 of those hours today), what surprised me is how great it is as an all around car. It's comfortable, it's smooth, it's a great highway cruiser, it's even reasonably quiet. After sitting in the car for essentially the entire day today, neither of us had any complaints about back or butt soreness.
Breaking it in was really tough. I broke it in pretty good but didn't follow the instructions exactly. GM says to vary the speed, don't give too much throttle, don't bring RPMs too high, and keep it under 55 ... I did all of that except I couldn't keep it under 55 (I averaged about 55 for the first 200 miles or so, then averaged more like 70 for the next three). The weather was great for the first half of the drive back, and last night and this morning we had some great 2-lane twisty country roads to drive on. It handled great on those roads, with plenty of grip. For about 4-5 hours of the driving we did today, it poured (and unfortunately this included the period when we crossed the 500 mile mark ... I'd been all set to drop it in 3rd and floor it when I finished the break in, but when this actually happened we were in the middle of a torrential downpour in the middle of Georgia).
Overall, the car seems held together really well. There weren't any creaks or rattles that were discernable to me, the steering is pretty precise, there's more power than you could ever need, and there's plenty of grip. The ride is pretty firm, it's very comfortable on smooth highways but you definately feel uneven road services, like railroad tracks. I'm not sure if you'd want the Z51 suspension if you live in an area with really poor roads, but I think it will be ok for where I am (except for the damned brick streets they have here, I'll have to avoid those).
The interior quality is pretty good IMO, not great, I'm not saying it should win any awards, but it's certainly adequate, and I think a lot of the reviews I've read that nitpick the interior quality are unduly harsh. The interior materials are very good by GM standards, just ok compared to imports. Overall, compared to the other cars I looked at, I'd say the interior quality is comparable to say the G35 - near the bottom of the pack in the group I looked at, but certainly adequate. The one standout component of interior, IMO, is the instrument cluster, which I think is great (and that's the regular analog cluster - the HUD makes it even better). The nav system also ties everything togother, and after using it for a day and a half, I'm glad I got it.
On the negatives - after a day and a half of driving, the only thing I can really call out is the shifter. I don't think it's bad, but it definately isn't one of the better shifters I've used, as it's somewhat clunky.
I guess the wildcard/unknown is reliability - only time will tell on that one, and I'll keep you guys posted.
Thanks for following me on the webcam yesterday, guys, that's pretty cool that you guys were watching me. :thumbsup:
Congratulations Lebowski. Your new car looks pretty badass, and you must have had a great time doing your extended drive in it. I bet you can't wait until the end of the break-in period... :rockon:
QuoteQuoteLebowski.........black jacket, yellow shirt?
Yup, that was me ... and both me and my dad are baldING but not quite there yet.
That was Dave's observation. I have my own thinning crown to worry about. :P
QuoteQuoteQuoteLebowski.........black jacket, yellow shirt?
Yup, that was me ... and both me and my dad are baldING but not quite there yet.
That was Dave's observation. I have my own thinning crown to worry about. :P
:D No one in my family is bald, so I dont know how soon my hair will be thinning :D
Rogaine.
You bought a Corvette?
I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good car, I guess, but I couldn't resolve the fact that for that amount of money, I could have gotten a better car:
(http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/645/645484/toyota-camry-se-20050825061523111.jpg)
It's even got a spoiler. Does your American plastic crap have a spoiler?
:mellow:
^Whoa, that one's got a sunroof, too.
An AUTOMATIC sunroof in fact, the Vette's targa style roof requires you to get out of the car, how unconvenient!
QuoteAn AUTOMATIC sunroof in fact, the Vette's targa style roof requires you to get out of the car, how unconvenient!
Yup. And you just can't look cool running out of the car, unlatching hinges, and trying to shove it in the trunk. When it starts raining, you just flip a switch. That's the pinnacle of Japanese technology.
QuoteAn AUTOMATIC sunroof in fact, the Vette's targa style roof requires you to get out of the car, how unconvenient!
Excellent point Timothy. Lebowski has more of a half-baked "lean-to" type contraption working for him. Won't find any motors there, buddy! Poor fella got rooked. :(
QuoteI mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good car, I guess, but I couldn't resolve the fact that for that amount of money, I could have gotten a better car:
(http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/645/645484/toyota-camry-se-20050825061523111.jpg)
It's even got a spoiler. Does your American plastic crap have a spoiler?
:mellow:
Ya know Raza, you're right. All thru this thread I had completely forgotten about that Camry with the Sport package. What the hell was he thinking picking up a Vette? Oh man, Lebowski is gonna feel like such a chump when he reads this! Let's be kind to him guys.
COOL CAR!!!
He coulda bought 2 Camries. One for the commuting and one for the track.
QuoteI mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good car, I guess, but I couldn't resolve the fact that for that amount of money, I could have gotten a better car:
(http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/645/645484/toyota-camry-se-20050825061523111.jpg)
It's even got a spoiler. Does your American plastic crap have a spoiler?
:mellow:
Damnit! Do you think my nearest toyota dealership will let me trade straight up?
It even has the competition gray wheels, only styled better. :mellow:
QuoteIt even has the competition gray wheels, only styled better. :mellow:
Phuque. Maybe I could at least do a wheel swap w/ the camry?
QuoteQuoteI mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good car, I guess, but I couldn't resolve the fact that for that amount of money, I could have gotten a better car:
(http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/645/645484/toyota-camry-se-20050825061523111.jpg)
It's even got a spoiler. Does your American plastic crap have a spoiler?
:mellow:
Damnit! Do you think my nearest toyota dealership will let me trade straight up?
No, I don't think they would, since your car is poorly engineered and will probably break down on the way there, since it's unreliable American crap. It's also made of fiberglass, which isn't real.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good car, I guess, but I couldn't resolve the fact that for that amount of money, I could have gotten a better car:
(http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/645/645484/toyota-camry-se-20050825061523111.jpg)
It's even got a spoiler.? Does your American plastic crap have a spoiler?
:mellow:
Damnit! Do you think my nearest toyota dealership will let me trade straight up?
No, I don't think they would, since your car is poorly engineered and will probably break down on the way there, since it's unreliable American crap. It's also made of fiberglass, which isn't real.
this is getting worse and worse. It's made of plastic, and I just watched the corvette episode of top gear, and it turns out the suspension was derived from an 18th century lumber wagon and the gearshift was taken from a rusted out victorian signal box. I'm screwed.
I hate to break up the fun you guys are having, but I remembered something this afternoon, keyless go.
Since you can throw the remote in your pocket/backpack/whatever, and forget about it, as I've become more accustomed to the system on my STS I find myself spending more and more time looking for the remote in the morning. I've caught myself on more than one occasion digging through the dirty clothes hamper looking for the pants I had on the day before to get the remote!
I can also set my car so that the horn beeps three time quickly to alert me that I left the remote in the car. I had it turned off, but since it turned cold, on more than one occasion I've put the remote in my coat pocket and left the coat in the car, only to realize sometime later that I left it in the car, and if the remote stays in the car, the doors wont lock automatically.
Try not to have too much fun! ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good car, I guess, but I couldn't resolve the fact that for that amount of money, I could have gotten a better car:
(http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/645/645484/toyota-camry-se-20050825061523111.jpg)
It's even got a spoiler. Does your American plastic crap have a spoiler?
:mellow:
Damnit! Do you think my nearest toyota dealership will let me trade straight up?
No, I don't think they would, since your car is poorly engineered and will probably break down on the way there, since it's unreliable American crap. It's also made of fiberglass, which isn't real.
this is getting worse and worse. It's made of plastic, and I just watched the corvette episode of top gear, and it turns out the suspension was derived from an 18th century lumber wagon and the gearshift was taken from a rusted out victorian signal box. I'm screwed.
I wish I had come across this thread earlier. I could have helped you out.
I mean, 53 million Americans buy the Camry every month. Corvettes sell like 10 cars a year. That should have been your first indication.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good car, I guess, but I couldn't resolve the fact that for that amount of money, I could have gotten a better car:
(http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/645/645484/toyota-camry-se-20050825061523111.jpg)
It's even got a spoiler.? Does your American plastic crap have a spoiler?
:mellow:
Damnit! Do you think my nearest toyota dealership will let me trade straight up?
No, I don't think they would, since your car is poorly engineered and will probably break down on the way there, since it's unreliable American crap. It's also made of fiberglass, which isn't real.
this is getting worse and worse. It's made of plastic, and I just watched the corvette episode of top gear, and it turns out the suspension was derived from an 18th century lumber wagon and the gearshift was taken from a rusted out victorian signal box. I'm screwed.
I wish I had come across this thread earlier. I could have helped you out.
I mean, 53 million Americans buy the Camry every month. Corvettes sell like 10 cars a year. That should have been your first indication.
Raza's right. Coming from someone who drives one regularly and has two around, and has ridden in/driven a Corvette (although not a C6 :( ), the Camry is still fun enough you'll appreciate the extra practicality and not even notice slightly less horsepower and different style of handling.
(http://madbull4.tripod.com/imgs/crying_smiley.jpg)
If anyone asks me if I was serious, I'm going to hunt you down and make you regret it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good car, I guess, but I couldn't resolve the fact that for that amount of money, I could have gotten a better car:
(http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/645/645484/toyota-camry-se-20050825061523111.jpg)
It's even got a spoiler.? Does your American plastic crap have a spoiler?
:mellow:
Damnit! Do you think my nearest toyota dealership will let me trade straight up?
No, I don't think they would, since your car is poorly engineered and will probably break down on the way there, since it's unreliable American crap. It's also made of fiberglass, which isn't real.
this is getting worse and worse. It's made of plastic, and I just watched the corvette episode of top gear, and it turns out the suspension was derived from an 18th century lumber wagon and the gearshift was taken from a rusted out victorian signal box. I'm screwed.
I wish I had come across this thread earlier. I could have helped you out.
I mean, 53 million Americans buy the Camry every month. Corvettes sell like 10 cars a year. That should have been your first indication.
Doh! :hammerhead:
How's the stereo? Enough thump?
QuoteHow's the stereo? Enough thump?
Seems pretty good, but I haven't had a chance to really crank it up yet (my dad was with me on the way home so we just found an XM station we could both tolerate and left it there on relatively low volume). XM seems pretty cool, I haven't had it before and I think I'll really like it, although I haven't found many stations I really love on it yet.
Also since this is a somewhat serious post about what I think about the quality, the one other negative (other than the shifter) that I forgot to mention in my last post about the car is that the quality of the paint job is just ok. It isn't bad, but there definately is some noticable orange peel. It isn't isolated to my car, though, all the other C6s I looked at at the museum had it, and I've heard others bitch about it on corvetteforum, so apparently it's just the way GM's paint is.
Back to the positives - earlier tonight I took a couple of my buddies (not both at the same time, obviously) out in it to show it off, and really got a chance to hammer the throttle on the highway - this thing really moves! Both my friends were sufficiently impressed.
^Nice.
QuoteQuoteHow's the stereo? Enough thump?
Seems pretty good, but I haven't had a chance to really crank it up yet (my dad was with me on the way home so we just found an XM station we could both tolerate and left it there on relatively low volume). XM seems pretty cool, I haven't had it before and I think I'll really like it, although I haven't found many stations I really love on it yet.
Also since this is a somewhat serious post about what I think about the quality, the one other negative (other than the shifter) that I forgot to mention in my last post about the car is that the quality of the paint job is just ok. It isn't bad, but there definately is some noticable orange peel. It isn't isolated to my car, though, all the other C6s I looked at at the museum had it, and I've heard others bitch about it on corvetteforum, so apparently it's just the way GM's paint is.
Back to the positives - earlier tonight I took a couple of my buddies (not both at the same time, obviously) out in it to show it off, and really got a chance to hammer the throttle on the highway - this thing really moves! Both my friends were sufficiently impressed.
On another serious note, I'm going to run a representative insurance quote to see if it's cheaper or comparable to my Car-of-Choice (which is currently a secret). If it's not, then there's no chance for it for me.
I wouldn't bother. I hear Aveos are quite cheap to insure.
QuoteQuoteQuoteHow's the stereo?? Enough thump?
Seems pretty good, but I haven't had a chance to really crank it up yet (my dad was with me on the way home so we just found an XM station we could both tolerate and left it there on relatively low volume). XM seems pretty cool, I haven't had it before and I think I'll really like it, although I haven't found many stations I really love on it yet.
Also since this is a somewhat serious post about what I think about the quality, the one other negative (other than the shifter) that I forgot to mention in my last post about the car is that the quality of the paint job is just ok. It isn't bad, but there definately is some noticable orange peel. It isn't isolated to my car, though, all the other C6s I looked at at the museum had it, and I've heard others bitch about it on corvetteforum, so apparently it's just the way GM's paint is.
Back to the positives - earlier tonight I took a couple of my buddies (not both at the same time, obviously) out in it to show it off, and really got a chance to hammer the throttle on the highway - this thing really moves! Both my friends were sufficiently impressed.
On another serious note, I'm going to run a representative insurance quote to see if it's cheaper or comparable to my Car-of-Choice (which is currently a secret). If it's not, then there's no chance for it for me.
The insurance was shockingly reasonable for me. It's about $120/6-mos. more than my truck (which is 7 years old and is probably worth ~$10k or so). I'm 25, though.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow's the stereo? Enough thump?
Seems pretty good, but I haven't had a chance to really crank it up yet (my dad was with me on the way home so we just found an XM station we could both tolerate and left it there on relatively low volume). XM seems pretty cool, I haven't had it before and I think I'll really like it, although I haven't found many stations I really love on it yet.
Also since this is a somewhat serious post about what I think about the quality, the one other negative (other than the shifter) that I forgot to mention in my last post about the car is that the quality of the paint job is just ok. It isn't bad, but there definately is some noticable orange peel. It isn't isolated to my car, though, all the other C6s I looked at at the museum had it, and I've heard others bitch about it on corvetteforum, so apparently it's just the way GM's paint is.
Back to the positives - earlier tonight I took a couple of my buddies (not both at the same time, obviously) out in it to show it off, and really got a chance to hammer the throttle on the highway - this thing really moves! Both my friends were sufficiently impressed.
On another serious note, I'm going to run a representative insurance quote to see if it's cheaper or comparable to my Car-of-Choice (which is currently a secret). If it's not, then there's no chance for it for me.
The insurance was shockingly reasonable for me. It's about $120/6-mos. more than my truck (which is 7 years old and is probably worth ~$10k or so). I'm 25, though.
The car won't actually be under my name, so it will be cheaper, but I run insurance quotes as if it were under my name. My Car-of-Choice is the cheapest car I've ever run, even including cars before I got my ticket.
QuoteQuoteHow's the stereo? Enough thump?
Seems pretty good, but I haven't had a chance to really crank it up yet (my dad was with me on the way home so we just found an XM station we could both tolerate and left it there on relatively low volume). XM seems pretty cool, I haven't had it before and I think I'll really like it, although I haven't found many stations I really love on it yet.
Also since this is a somewhat serious post about what I think about the quality, the one other negative (other than the shifter) that I forgot to mention in my last post about the car is that the quality of the paint job is just ok. It isn't bad, but there definately is some noticable orange peel. It isn't isolated to my car, though, all the other C6s I looked at at the museum had it, and I've heard others bitch about it on corvetteforum, so apparently it's just the way GM's paint is.
Back to the positives - earlier tonight I took a couple of my buddies (not both at the same time, obviously) out in it to show it off, and really got a chance to hammer the throttle on the highway - this thing really moves! Both my friends were sufficiently impressed.
The orange peel is there because most factorys are too lazy to color sand there cars or wet sand...it makes a difference though
QuoteI wouldn't bother. I hear Aveos are quite cheap to insure.
Ha ha...you're on a roll tonight.
But I mean, since the Corvette is American, a 2006 Corvette will only be worth like 10 grand on the used market in a few months.
QuoteQuoteI wouldn't bother. I hear Aveos are quite cheap to insure.
Ha ha...you're on a roll tonight.
But I mean, since the Corvette is American, a 2006 Corvette will only be worth like 10 grand on the used market in a few months.
Arr, that's not true. Vettes hold their value well. As long as you don't sell it a year or two after buying you won't get screwed too bad.
But seriously, are you turning over a new leaf with the xB?
'Vettes do keep their value pretty well. IMO, it's in the same boat as BMW - not worth it to buy used. I've thought about taking a 'Vette for a test drive, but it's a little too big for me, at least at this point. If I had some more breathing room, open highways, etc. I might think about it more seriously.
I could be outta NYC in a year or so, so who knows.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow's the stereo? Enough thump?
Seems pretty good, but I haven't had a chance to really crank it up yet (my dad was with me on the way home so we just found an XM station we could both tolerate and left it there on relatively low volume). XM seems pretty cool, I haven't had it before and I think I'll really like it, although I haven't found many stations I really love on it yet.
Also since this is a somewhat serious post about what I think about the quality, the one other negative (other than the shifter) that I forgot to mention in my last post about the car is that the quality of the paint job is just ok. It isn't bad, but there definately is some noticable orange peel. It isn't isolated to my car, though, all the other C6s I looked at at the museum had it, and I've heard others bitch about it on corvetteforum, so apparently it's just the way GM's paint is.
Back to the positives - earlier tonight I took a couple of my buddies (not both at the same time, obviously) out in it to show it off, and really got a chance to hammer the throttle on the highway - this thing really moves! Both my friends were sufficiently impressed.
On another serious note, I'm going to run a representative insurance quote to see if it's cheaper or comparable to my Car-of-Choice (which is currently a secret). If it's not, then there's no chance for it for me.
The insurance was shockingly reasonable for me. It's about $120/6-mos. more than my truck (which is 7 years old and is probably worth ~$10k or so). I'm 25, though.
The car won't actually be under my name, so it will be cheaper, but I run insurance quotes as if it were under my name. My Car-of-Choice is the cheapest car I've ever run, even including cars before I got my ticket.
Sounds like it could be the Legacy GT Wagon...or perhaps the Volvo V70R.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI wouldn't bother. I hear Aveos are quite cheap to insure.
Ha ha...you're on a roll tonight.
But I mean, since the Corvette is American, a 2006 Corvette will only be worth like 10 grand on the used market in a few months.
Arr, that's not true. Vettes hold their value well. As long as you don't sell it a year or two after buying you won't get screwed too bad.
But seriously, are you turning over a new leaf with the xB?
I'll give you a hint--it has an available AWD option
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wouldn't bother. I hear Aveos are quite cheap to insure.
Ha ha...you're on a roll tonight.
But I mean, since the Corvette is American, a 2006 Corvette will only be worth like 10 grand on the used market in a few months.
Arr, that's not true. Vettes hold their value well. As long as you don't sell it a year or two after buying you won't get screwed too bad.
But seriously, are you turning over a new leaf with the xB?
I'll give you a hint--it has an available AWD option
I think you should start a "Guess Raza's Next Car" thread in general auto. My guess is G35.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wouldn't bother. I hear Aveos are quite cheap to insure.
Ha ha...you're on a roll tonight.
But I mean, since the Corvette is American, a 2006 Corvette will only be worth like 10 grand on the used market in a few months.
Arr, that's not true. Vettes hold their value well. As long as you don't sell it a year or two after buying you won't get screwed too bad.
But seriously, are you turning over a new leaf with the xB?
I'll give you a hint--it has an available AWD option
I think you should start a "Guess Raza's Next Car" thread in general auto. My guess is G35.
Maybe I will. Maybe you should.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wouldn't bother. I hear Aveos are quite cheap to insure.
Ha ha...you're on a roll tonight.
But I mean, since the Corvette is American, a 2006 Corvette will only be worth like 10 grand on the used market in a few months.
Arr, that's not true. Vettes hold their value well. As long as you don't sell it a year or two after buying you won't get screwed too bad.
But seriously, are you turning over a new leaf with the xB?
I'll give you a hint--it has an available AWD option
I think you should start a "Guess Raza's Next Car" thread in general auto. My guess is G35.
Ha! I caught you mid-edit - before you "de-contented" your hint! :ph34r: ......therefore, G35 or 330i are my 2 guesses.
I doubt it, the G35 probably has fairly high insurance considering its buyer demographics.
Sounds like the V70R to me.
Edit- There's no way it is a 3-series, too much of a cliche for Raza.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wouldn't bother. I hear Aveos are quite cheap to insure.
Ha ha...you're on a roll tonight.
But I mean, since the Corvette is American, a 2006 Corvette will only be worth like 10 grand on the used market in a few months.
Arr, that's not true. Vettes hold their value well. As long as you don't sell it a year or two after buying you won't get screwed too bad.
But seriously, are you turning over a new leaf with the xB?
I'll give you a hint--it has an available AWD option
I think you should start a "Guess Raza's Next Car" thread in general auto. My guess is G35.
Ha! I caught you mid-edit - before you "de-contented" your hint! :ph34r: ......therefore, G35 or 330i are my 2 guesses.
I saw it before the edit too. :thumbsup:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wouldn't bother. I hear Aveos are quite cheap to insure.
Ha ha...you're on a roll tonight.
But I mean, since the Corvette is American, a 2006 Corvette will only be worth like 10 grand on the used market in a few months.
Arr, that's not true. Vettes hold their value well. As long as you don't sell it a year or two after buying you won't get screwed too bad.
But seriously, are you turning over a new leaf with the xB?
I'll give you a hint--it has an available AWD option
I think you should start a "Guess Raza's Next Car" thread in general auto. My guess is G35.
Ha! I caught you mid-edit - before you "de-contented" your hint! :ph34r: ......therefore, G35 or 330i are my 2 guesses.
What was his original hint? AWD option is too vague, too many cars have AWD options.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wouldn't bother. I hear Aveos are quite cheap to insure.
Ha ha...you're on a roll tonight.
But I mean, since the Corvette is American, a 2006 Corvette will only be worth like 10 grand on the used market in a few months.
Arr, that's not true. Vettes hold their value well. As long as you don't sell it a year or two after buying you won't get screwed too bad.
But seriously, are you turning over a new leaf with the xB?
I'll give you a hint--it has an available AWD option
I think you should start a "Guess Raza's Next Car" thread in general auto. My guess is G35.
Ha! I caught you mid-edit - before you "de-contented" your hint! :ph34r: ......therefore, G35 or 330i are my 2 guesses.
I saw it before the edit too. :thumbsup:
People will pay good money for that info.
I'm gonna post the guess Raza's car thread, but only if he promises to answer...
QuoteI'm gonna post the guess Raza's car thread, but only if he promises to answer...
If someone gets it right, I'll give it up.
QuoteQuoteI'm gonna post the guess Raza's car thread, but only if he promises to answer...
If someone gets it right, I'll give it up.
Then I'm posting it, with the FULL first hint. ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wouldn't bother. I hear Aveos are quite cheap to insure.
Ha ha...you're on a roll tonight.
But I mean, since the Corvette is American, a 2006 Corvette will only be worth like 10 grand on the used market in a few months.
Arr, that's not true. Vettes hold their value well. As long as you don't sell it a year or two after buying you won't get screwed too bad.
But seriously, are you turning over a new leaf with the xB?
I'll give you a hint--it has an available AWD option
I think you should start a "Guess Raza's Next Car" thread in general auto. My guess is G35.
Ha! I caught you mid-edit - before you "de-contented" your hint! :ph34r: ......therefore, G35 or 330i are my 2 guesses.
Don't know what you're talking about.
It was a lie, anyway, and I didn't want to lie to my SPIN buddies.
Oh, Adam, can I make a suggestion for your sig pic? Crop up and cut out the date, and resize it a tad smaller.
I can do it for you, if you don't have the proper software, so you can see what it would look like.
QuoteOh, Adam, can I make a suggestion for your sig pic? Crop up and cut out the date, and resize it a tad smaller.
I can do it for you, if you don't have the proper software, so you can see what it would look like.
I haven't cropped, but is this size better? I was messing w/ it for a few minutes. I agree it would look better if it isn't square and w/o the date.
QuoteQuoteOh, Adam, can I make a suggestion for your sig pic? Crop up and cut out the date, and resize it a tad smaller.
I can do it for you, if you don't have the proper software, so you can see what it would look like.
I haven't cropped, but is this size better? I was messing w/ it for a few minutes. I agree it would look better if it isn't square and w/o the date.
That's fine, a touch small though. Post the large one, and I'll see what I can do.
QuoteQuoteQuoteOh, Adam, can I make a suggestion for your sig pic?? Crop up and cut out the date, and resize it a tad smaller.?
I can do it for you, if you don't have the proper software, so you can see what it would look like.
I haven't cropped, but is this size better? I was messing w/ it for a few minutes. I agree it would look better if it isn't square and w/o the date.
That's fine, a touch small though. Post the large one, and I'll see what I can do.
Photobucket ... top left description says 'original size' (http://photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/)
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2926/lebowskiscar8ru.jpg)
Quote(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2926/lebowskiscar8ru.jpg)
Cool - thanks!
You dont mind that I link to your imageshack account in my sig, do you?
I don't have an account with them. I just upload random images.
QuoteI don't have an account with them. I just upload random images.
Nevermind, anyway, I just saved a copy and uploaded to photobucket. thanks again.
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4060/works3ju.png)
:rockon: Enhanced the color a bit, too.
Mine's better.
Nice sig, lebowski!
QuoteNice sig, lebowski!
Thanks! :rockon:
I had a little help from Raza, as you can see.
Damn, after reading this thread (for the first time :P ) I really want to get a Vette!
Did you read the entire thread?
QuoteDid you read the entire thread?
That's why he hasn't posted in a few days - he's been busy reading 35 pages of our insightful comments! :P
QuoteQuoteDid you read the entire thread?
That's why he hasn't posted in a few days - he's been busy reading 35 pages of our insightful comments! :P
Before I joined this forum, this was one of the first posts I read. It was fascinating to see someone go from something sensible to a Corvette, but it is brilliant to see that you did go for it in the end, Lebowski.
BALLS. That's what it is. :lol:
QuoteDamn, after reading this thread (for the first time :P ) I really want to get a Vette!
You read the entire thread! :blink:
I'm sufficiently impressed. You've officially redeemed yourself for not noticing this thread (or my sig) earlier :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteDid you read the entire thread?
That's why he hasn't posted in a few days - he's been busy reading 35 pages of our insightful comments! :P
Before I joined this forum, this was one of the first posts I read. It was fascinating to see someone go from something sensible to a Corvette, but it is brilliant to see that you did go for it in the end, Lebowski.
BALLS. That's what it is. :lol:
It's either balls, or lack of brains.
Let's just pretend it's balls :lol:
Seriously, looking back I'm 100% happy with the decision. I know the vette is a lot more expensive than the other cars, but from the beginning I was more concerned with value for the money than I was with absolute price, and honestly I think this car is worth every penny. It's been very livable thus far and I think I'll have no problem living w/o the back seat.
Looking back, it would have been kind of stupid to sacrifice driving enjoyment every day so that I could have a back seat that I'll use about 2% of the time.
Oh, and when I go back to this thread I still think it's pretty funny this is in "luxury talk", lol.
QuoteQuoteDamn, after reading this thread (for the first time :P ) I really want to get a Vette!
You read the entire thread! :blink:
I'm sufficiently impressed. You've officially redeemed yourself for not noticing this thread (or my sig) earlier :lol:
Yay! :P
Lebowski, I can only afford a scale model Corvette. Trouble is I can't fit in it. But I hope you like yours and please realize that even though the car is fast they won't outrun the police spike strips. Drive carefully.
Corvette < Camry
QuoteCorvette < Camry
Yeah, It weighs less but has double the horses and it's at the correct drive wheels.
QuoteQuoteCorvette < Camry
Yeah, It weighs less but has double the horses and it's at the correct drive wheels.
The Corvette is cheap plastic that will break down and have horrible resale value, he should have bought a Toyota hybrid ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteCorvette < Camry
Yeah, It weighs less but has double the horses and it's at the correct drive wheels.
The Corvette is cheap plastic that will break down and have horrible resale value, he should have bought a Toyota hybrid ;)
Yeah, and it can't even seat five.
Well, that's true. It'll only seat two. But most of the really fun high performance cars have a limited seating capacity. At least everybody would want to ride with him. You know what they call a seven passenger vehicle - A VAN. Ewwww.
QuoteWell, that's true. It'll only seat two. But most of the really fun high performance cars have a limited seating capacity. At least everybody would want to ride with him. You know what they call a seven passenger vehicle - A VAN. Ewwww.
Vans are for soccermoms, Camrys are for gangsters. Corvettes are for people with enlarged prostates.
A Corvette probably isnt even 5-star safety rated or a Consumer Reports Top Pick :rolleyes:
QuoteA Corvette probably isnt even 5-star safety rated or a Consumer Reports Top Pick :rolleyes:
And, for the price of a Corvette, he could have a four cylinder Camry for daily driving, and a weekend sports car V6 Camry.
QuoteQuoteWell, that's true. It'll only seat two. But most of the really fun high performance cars have a limited seating capacity. At least everybody would want to ride with him. You know what they call a seven passenger vehicle - A VAN. Ewwww.
Vans are for soccermoms, Camrys are for gangsters. Corvettes are for people with enlarged prostates.
Maybe I should get my dad to get a Corvette then.
A sporty Camry? Well, let looks at weight distribution, horsepower, fun, and top speed. No.
QuoteQuoteQuoteWell, that's true. It'll only seat two. But most of the really fun high performance cars have a limited seating capacity. At least everybody would want to ride with him. You know what they call a seven passenger vehicle - A VAN. Ewwww.
Vans are for soccermoms, Camrys are for gangsters. Corvettes are for people with enlarged prostates.
Maybe I should get my dad to get a Corvette then.
A sporty Camry? Well, let looks at weight distribution, horsepower, fun, and top speed. No.
Troll.
MoooonkeeeeeeeeeyBooooooooooy. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
You cant defend your plastic american piece of junk so you must resort to name-calling :rolleyes:
I'm not a troll. Look at my post again. It's supposed to hilarious.
QuoteI'm not a troll. Look at my post again. It's supposed to hilarious.
Dont try to take back what you've already done, you've proven yourself to be CarSPIN's resident troll
Too bad. But it takes one to know one. If you want to wreak out a little troll sandwich then I eat it and fart it back at you. But I should warn you. Doodoo is brown for a reason.
I am rubber and you are glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
Sorry Lebowski if I ruined part of your thread. I'll hold off comments.
QuoteSorry Lebowski if I ruined part of your thread. I'll hold off comments.
No, that's ok, this thread has more than run its course anyway.
And Raza:
:monkey: Camry
QuoteQuoteSorry Lebowski if I ruined part of your thread. I'll hold off comments.
No, that's ok, this thread has more than run its course anyway.
And Raza:
:monkey: Camry
That's not what you were saying earlier.
:P
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good car, I guess, but I couldn't resolve the fact that for that amount of money, I could have gotten a better car:
(http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/645/645484/toyota-camry-se-20050825061523111.jpg)
It's even got a spoiler. Does your American plastic crap have a spoiler?
:mellow:
Damnit! Do you think my nearest toyota dealership will let me trade straight up?
No, I don't think they would, since your car is poorly engineered and will probably break down on the way there, since it's unreliable American crap. It's also made of fiberglass, which isn't real.
this is getting worse and worse. It's made of plastic, and I just watched the corvette episode of top gear, and it turns out the suspension was derived from an 18th century lumber wagon and the gearshift was taken from a rusted out victorian signal box. I'm screwed.
:praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good car, I guess, but I couldn't resolve the fact that for that amount of money, I could have gotten a better car:
(http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/645/645484/toyota-camry-se-20050825061523111.jpg)
It's even got a spoiler.? Does your American plastic crap have a spoiler?
:mellow:
Damnit! Do you think my nearest toyota dealership will let me trade straight up?
No, I don't think they would, since your car is poorly engineered and will probably break down on the way there, since it's unreliable American crap. It's also made of fiberglass, which isn't real.
this is getting worse and worse. It's made of plastic, and I just watched the corvette episode of top gear, and it turns out the suspension was derived from an 18th century lumber wagon and the gearshift was taken from a rusted out victorian signal box. I'm screwed.
:praise:
Alright, so I'm in denial.
:monkey: plastic cars
QuoteQuoteSorry Lebowski if I ruined part of your thread. I'll hold off comments.
No, that's ok, this thread has more than run its course anyway.
And Raza:
:monkey: Camry
Hey. :nono:
Do you give the Corvette Wave to other Vette drivers?
QuoteDo you give the Corvette Wave to other Vette drivers?
He lives in Florida. Other Corvette drivers regard him as a whippersnapper and most likely can't afford to spend the extra energy to wave to a whippersnapper.
QuoteQuoteDo you give the Corvette Wave to other Vette drivers?
He lives in Florida. Other Corvette drivers regard him as a whippersnapper and most likely can't afford to spend the extra energy to wave to a whippersnapper.
Very funny.
I guess I plan to give the wave when I have a chance to, Tom, but so far haven't had any (I've seen other vettes but usually just passing going the opposite direction ... i havent been pulled up next to one at a light or anything).
How much spirited driving have you done B)
QuoteHow much spirited driving have you done B)
A good amount :D
Unfortunately, Orlando isn't exactly the best place in the world for 'spirited driving' - we have pretty bad traffic, and lights every 10 feet, none of which are synchronized, but when I get the chance to (safely) I do open it up.
The lack of good driving roads around here is actually one of the reasons I wanted to pick it up in KY and drive it back, we got to spend some time on some great back roads in KY and TN.
Since you dont have the proper roads to unleash your Vette maybe you should let me have it, there are amazing roads in Ohio. My Accord will be great for you in Orlando its an auto and get 25mpg in the city :D
QuoteQuoteCorvette < Camry
Yeah, It weighs less but has double the horses and it's at the correct drive wheels.
Ok idiot, and worth poster (look no further than YYH) will inform you that the Camry is a far superior vehicle. The Camry Hybrid makes 400 horsepower while delivering 200 MPG. The Camry is built with the style and quality of A Maybach, and wont break down for at least 5 million miles. You are a troll, and should learn your facts. :rolleyes:
QuoteQuoteQuoteCorvette < Camry
Yeah, It weighs less but has double the horses and it's at the correct drive wheels.
Ok idiot, and worth poster (look no further than YYH) will inform you that the Camry is a far superior vehicle. The Camry Hybrid makes 400 horsepower while delivering 200 MPG. The Camry is built with the style and quality of A Maybach, and wont break down for at least 5 million miles. You are a troll, and should learn your facts. :rolleyes:
In addition, the convenient toaster accessory allows for nourishment whilst saving the environment and beating that pesky Alonso at Spa with the outstanding power you have rightfully pointed out.
So Lebowski, have you got any new pictures, or perhaps pictures of the interior? :) :wave:
:clap:
QuoteSo Lebowski, have you got any new pictures, or perhaps pictures of the interior? :) :wave:
No ... but I'll take some next time I get a chance. I just washed it today, so I should have taken some today (it's too dark now). Maybe I'll take a few either tomorrow or after I get the 3M clearbra installed.
QuoteQuoteSo Lebowski, have you got any new pictures, or perhaps pictures of the interior? :) :wave:
No ... but I'll take some next time I get a chance. I just washed it today, so I should have taken some today (it's too dark now). Maybe I'll take a few either tomorrow or after I get the 3M clearbra installed.
Looking forward to them! :wave:
Drove down to a nearby office park today (it's pretty much abandoned on weekends) which has some decent open twisty roads. It put it into 'competition mode' (traction control off, stability control toned down) and had a little bit of fun, then took some pictures (EDIT, catman or anyone else who's knowledgable, am I an idiot for having my temp tag legible in these pics?)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/March003.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/March004.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/Lebowski_C6/My%20Car%20and%20Museum%20Delivery/March005.jpg)
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Oh . . . that is a beautiful car, Lebowski. It must be awesome to hear that small-block rumble in your ears whenever you goose the throttle. :praise:
Hope you have many, many entertaining miles with your new baby.
Yes! Your Pilotis!
I was bored. Now you have a new sig pic when you tire of that one.
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QuoteYes! Your Pilotis!
lol ... i had to get a gratuitus pilotis shot in there, I love these things.
Okay, now I'm going to build a Corvette and see if I can afford it. It's still ugly, but it's a good car.
QuoteOh . . . that is a beautiful car, Lebowski. It must be awesome to hear that small-block rumble in your ears whenever you goose the throttle. :praise:
Hope you have many, many entertaining miles with your new baby.
Thanks man.
QuoteOkay, now I'm going to build a Corvette and see if I can afford it. It's still ugly, but it's a good car.
The 3LT and Z51 is too damn much. Why isn't HUD a separate option?
Damn those are some intersting pics.
The HUD and NAV look like they work together awesome.
I also find the gas pedal wierd, does it pivot on the bottom or is it hung from above? If the latter, what's that thing on the base of the pedal? Looks like it might get a bit in the way.
Brakes look wicked through the wheels.
:praise:
Oh yeah, and you SO copied me with your color scheme. :P
Awesome Lebowski...may you have many miles of driving bliss :praise:
QuoteQuoteOkay, now I'm going to build a Corvette and see if I can afford it. It's still ugly, but it's a good car.
The 3LT and Z51 is too damn much. Why isn't HUD a separate option?
I know, 3LT is kind of a bitch, because it's sort of a ripoff for what it is plus it includes some stuff that isn't really necessary, but they stick that HUD in there because they know everybody wants that.
A purist like you should be able to live w/o 3LT, though, and honestly I'm glad I got Z51 but it certainly isn't absolutely necessary.
QuoteDamn those are some intersting pics.
The HUD and NAV look like they work together awesome.
I also find the gas pedal wierd, does it pivot on the bottom or is it hung from above? If the latter, what's that thing on the base of the pedal? Looks like it might get a bit in the way.
Brakes look wicked through the wheels.
:praise:
the accelerator is attached at the bottom, the black thing is what it's attached to, and it doesn't get in the way ... in fact I didn't even know it was there until I looked at the pic (in fact that might actually be somewhat of an optical illusion).
That said, I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of the metal brake and clutch pedals. They're fine when I'm wearing my dry pilotis, but get in the car with wet tennis shoes and it's another story, and if I get in with wet flip flops (as in after washing it), it's downright dangerous (I came pretty close to slipping a wet flip flop off of the clutch pedal the first time I washed it, that would have sucked as it would have launched the car into the wall of my parking garage).
QuoteOh yeah, and you SO copied me with your color scheme. :P
Your right, I did ... either way the black + gray is an awesome combo, IMHO.
QuoteQuoteQuoteOkay, now I'm going to build a Corvette and see if I can afford it. It's still ugly, but it's a good car.
The 3LT and Z51 is too damn much. Why isn't HUD a separate option?
I know, 3LT is kind of a bitch, because it's sort of a ripoff for what it is plus it includes some stuff that isn't really necessary, but they stick that HUD in there because they know everybody wants that.
A purist like you should be able to live w/o 3LT, though, and honestly I'm glad I got Z51 but it certainly isn't absolutely necessary.
I just want HUD and the Bose system and Z51.
It's just too expensive, even my 2LT that I built. Too damn expensive to lease, $755 a month with $3000 down. An Elise is a lot less expensive.
Wow, beautiful pictures! The car looks amazing! Enjoy it! B)
[cough]nature shots[/cough]
Just kidding, nice ride there!
QuoteMy truck is now about 6 years old, so it's time to get a new car. Time frame is sometime in December (Dec 1 is bonus day so sometime after that).
What I'm looking for: A 4-door sedan with a reasonable balance between luxury and sport. I'd prefer a manual, but if I fall in love with a car that is only offered with an auto I can live with that. I plan to get something pretty well loaded, including Nav and satellite radio. Price range is tentatively $30 to $40k, could possibly move up slightly depending on my bonus. I know that's a big range but there is somewhat of a disparity between what I can afford and what I think I should spend (i.e. even if I can afford $45k, that doesn't mean it wouldn't be smarter to spend less than that and save the difference). So, I'm focusing on value for the dollar, I'm not just going to get the absolute best, most expensive car I can afford.
Any comments are welcome, particularly from people who own or have experience with any of the cars below. And don't say "test drive them all and make your own decision". Of course I'm going to test drive everything and of course I'm going to make my own decision, I'm just looking for feedback/opinions here.
What I'm considering:
Acura TSX: Best value out there IMO. Pros: Comes totally loaded for $29k, looks good inside and out. Cons: Probably the most boring car I'm looking at, FWD, small engine. Priced as I'd want it about $29k. Base TSX (which is loaded) plus nav system.
Acura TL: Similar story to the TSX, I like the interior somewhat better than the TSX, but it's a little pricey for a FWD car.
Infiniti G35: I don't love the exterior styling and the interior is among the worst I'm considering. However, the more I think about it the more the G35 makes sense. 298 hp and RWD are hard to argue with. The G35 is probably my top choice right now. Priced as I'd want it $37k (includes destimation of $650). Price is for G35 6 speed manual (includes sport suspension and 18 inch wheels), premium package (6 disc CD changer, sunroof, bluetooth, yada yada yada), nav system, satellite radio.
Audi A4: I like the exterior styling a lot, although I don't like the fact that Audi redesigns the A4 so often (is this going to be the "old" body style 2 years from now?) I'd get it with AWD. Pros are good styling, great interior. Cons are cramped back seat, gets pricey quick once you start adding on options, especially AWD, and I've heard Audi's aren't reliable (not trying to start a Japanese vs. Germans flame war, but my bias is that the Japanese cars listed above are probably the more reliable). Priced as I'd want it about $39k, includes Audi A4 Quattro 6 speed manual, leather (sunroof pckg), premium and tech packages, nav, satellite radio, sport suspension (but does not include the $3k "s line" sport package, which is a ripoff IMO).
3-Series: I'll put it bluntly - I think the 3-series is grossly overpriced. Is the 330i a better car than a G35? Probably. Is it so much better as to warrant a $44k price tag vs. a comparably equipped G35 at more like $36k? Highly unlikely. I will at least give the 3-series a test drive, but it will really have to blow me away to convince me it's worth the money.
Lexus IS350: I just built online, came to ~$39,500, including 18 inch wheels, nav, backup camera (comes w/ the nav, I wouldn't get it otherwise), bluetooth, 13 speaker sound system w/ CD changer. Definately worth a look. Biggest negative is lack of a manual, but if I fall in love with the car that's not a dealbreaker. Also, reviews have said it's disconnected from the road. I'll have to test drive.
Other possibilities/wildcards:
Infiniti M35/M45: I love these cars, but my bonus would have to really surprise on the upside to warrant spending that much.
Acura RL: I wouldn't consider it at MSRP (I'd rather get the M at that price), but someone on C&D recently said '05s are going for as low as $40k. At $40k, the RL is at least worth a look, IMO.
Corvette: Yeah, I know, it has nothing to do with anything else on the list, and I know I said I wanted a 4-door sedan (that's the practical thing to do). But, I'll admit, the thought has entered my mind. I'm 25 and single and realistically could live without 4-doors. Any thoughts with how livable the vette is as a daily driver?
G35 coupe: Similar to above, it's not a 4-door but the thought has entered my mind. Would have to really impress on a test drive compared to the sedan.
One final note: As I test drive cars, I'll edit this original post with additional comments so people don't have to scroll through an entire topic to see them (I'll also make a post noting it so you won't have to constantly re-read this post).
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QuoteQuoteMy truck is now about 6 years old, so it's time to get a new car. Time frame is sometime in December (Dec 1 is bonus day so sometime after that).
What I'm looking for: A 4-door sedan with a reasonable balance between luxury and sport. I'd prefer a manual, but if I fall in love with a car that is only offered with an auto I can live with that. I plan to get something pretty well loaded, including Nav and satellite radio. Price range is tentatively $30 to $40k, could possibly move up slightly depending on my bonus. I know that's a big range but there is somewhat of a disparity between what I can afford and what I think I should spend (i.e. even if I can afford $45k, that doesn't mean it wouldn't be smarter to spend less than that and save the difference). So, I'm focusing on value for the dollar, I'm not just going to get the absolute best, most expensive car I can afford.
Any comments are welcome, particularly from people who own or have experience with any of the cars below. And don't say "test drive them all and make your own decision". Of course I'm going to test drive everything and of course I'm going to make my own decision, I'm just looking for feedback/opinions here.
What I'm considering:
Acura TSX: Best value out there IMO. Pros: Comes totally loaded for $29k, looks good inside and out. Cons: Probably the most boring car I'm looking at, FWD, small engine. Priced as I'd want it about $29k. Base TSX (which is loaded) plus nav system.
Acura TL: Similar story to the TSX, I like the interior somewhat better than the TSX, but it's a little pricey for a FWD car.
Infiniti G35: I don't love the exterior styling and the interior is among the worst I'm considering. However, the more I think about it the more the G35 makes sense. 298 hp and RWD are hard to argue with. The G35 is probably my top choice right now. Priced as I'd want it $37k (includes destimation of $650). Price is for G35 6 speed manual (includes sport suspension and 18 inch wheels), premium package (6 disc CD changer, sunroof, bluetooth, yada yada yada), nav system, satellite radio.
Audi A4: I like the exterior styling a lot, although I don't like the fact that Audi redesigns the A4 so often (is this going to be the "old" body style 2 years from now?) I'd get it with AWD. Pros are good styling, great interior. Cons are cramped back seat, gets pricey quick once you start adding on options, especially AWD, and I've heard Audi's aren't reliable (not trying to start a Japanese vs. Germans flame war, but my bias is that the Japanese cars listed above are probably the more reliable). Priced as I'd want it about $39k, includes Audi A4 Quattro 6 speed manual, leather (sunroof pckg), premium and tech packages, nav, satellite radio, sport suspension (but does not include the $3k "s line" sport package, which is a ripoff IMO).
3-Series: I'll put it bluntly - I think the 3-series is grossly overpriced. Is the 330i a better car than a G35? Probably. Is it so much better as to warrant a $44k price tag vs. a comparably equipped G35 at more like $36k? Highly unlikely. I will at least give the 3-series a test drive, but it will really have to blow me away to convince me it's worth the money.
Lexus IS350: I just built online, came to ~$39,500, including 18 inch wheels, nav, backup camera (comes w/ the nav, I wouldn't get it otherwise), bluetooth, 13 speaker sound system w/ CD changer. Definately worth a look. Biggest negative is lack of a manual, but if I fall in love with the car that's not a dealbreaker. Also, reviews have said it's disconnected from the road. I'll have to test drive.
Other possibilities/wildcards:
Infiniti M35/M45: I love these cars, but my bonus would have to really surprise on the upside to warrant spending that much.
Acura RL: I wouldn't consider it at MSRP (I'd rather get the M at that price), but someone on C&D recently said '05s are going for as low as $40k. At $40k, the RL is at least worth a look, IMO.
Corvette: Yeah, I know, it has nothing to do with anything else on the list, and I know I said I wanted a 4-door sedan (that's the practical thing to do). But, I'll admit, the thought has entered my mind. I'm 25 and single and realistically could live without 4-doors. Any thoughts with how livable the vette is as a daily driver?
G35 coupe: Similar to above, it's not a 4-door but the thought has entered my mind. Would have to really impress on a test drive compared to the sedan.
One final note: As I test drive cars, I'll edit this original post with additional comments so people don't have to scroll through an entire topic to see them (I'll also make a post noting it so you won't have to constantly re-read this post).
:blink:
I know, lol
Also, when this thread started, Muffin was still here.
hehe
QuoteAlso, when this thread started, Muffin was still here.
hehe
Who's muffin?
QuoteQuoteAlso, when this thread started, Muffin was still here.
hehe
Who's muffin?
Raghavan.
QuoteQuoteQuoteAlso, when this thread started, Muffin was still here.
hehe
Who's muffin?
Raghavan.
Really... :ph34r:
QuoteQuoteQuoteAlso, when this thread started, Muffin was still here.
hehe
Who's muffin?
Raghavan.
Ok, I figured as much.
What ever happened w/ that? Why did he leave?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAlso, when this thread started, Muffin was still here.
hehe
Who's muffin?
Raghavan.
Ok, I figured as much.
What ever happened w/ that? Why did he leave?
He was an idiot and people constantly called him on it. So he left.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAlso, when this thread started, Muffin was still here.
hehe
Who's muffin?
Raghavan.
Ok, I figured as much.
What ever happened w/ that? Why did he leave?
He was an idiot and people constantly called him on it. So he left.
haha, I don't remember him being that much of an idiot, but whatever.
Jesus, even after being gone this long, he still makes up 7% of the forum's total posts (and you just passed him like today raza). How the hell do you guys post so much? I feel like I spend entirely too much time on this forum and I'm only up to 650.
QuoteJesus, even after being gone this long, he still makes up 7% of the forum's total posts (and you just passed him like today raza). How the hell do you guys post so much? I feel like I spend entirely too much time on this forum and I'm only up to 650.
When you're in college, you're on the computer alot...and I just end up here.
QuoteJesus, even after being gone this long, he still makes up 7% of the forum's total posts (and you just passed him like today raza). How the hell do you guys post so much? I feel like I spend entirely too much time on this forum and I'm only up to 650.
We dont have fancy C6's to drive around in all day :devil: :P
QuoteQuoteJesus, even after being gone this long, he still makes up 7% of the forum's total posts (and you just passed him like today raza). How the hell do you guys post so much? I feel like I spend entirely too much time on this forum and I'm only up to 650.
We dont have fancy C6's to drive around in all day :devil: :P
:devil: :lol:
About 20 minutes ago I got my first :thumbsup: . It was from about a 60 year old man in a white dodge caravan whom I caught in the act of checking out my car.
Pretty cool :thumbsup:
QuoteAbout 20 minutes ago I got my first :thumbsup: . It was from about a 60 year old man in a white dodge caravan whom I caught in the act of checking out my car.
Pretty cool :thumbsup:
Cool! Must feel pretty good :rockon:
QuoteAbout 20 minutes ago I got my first :thumbsup: . It was from about a 60 year old man in a white dodge caravan whom I caught in the act of checking out my car.
Pretty cool :thumbsup:
Lucky bastard :devil: :thumbsup: B)
There was one time I was in a C5 Targa at a stoplight and a guy probably about 45-50 pulls up next to me in a Liberty and says, "Nice car, wish it was mine." The light turns greean I say, " Me too." and then I took off like a bat out of hell :rockon:
QuoteThere was one time I was in a C5 Targa at a stoplight and a guy probably about 45-50 pulls up next to me in a Liberty and says, "Nice car, wish it was mine." The light turns greean I say, " Me too." and then I took off like a bat out of hell :rockon:
Thats pretty funny :thumbsup: