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Poll
Question: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan for around $15K. 2005+
Option 1: Cadillac CTS-V votes: 3
Option 2: Infiniti G35 votes: 4
Option 3: Lexus IS250 votes: 0
Option 4: BMW 328i votes: 2
Option 5: Can't think of any others. Suggestions? votes: 0
Title: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 12:23:59 PM
To replace Axnt.
Time to grow up... Only a little.
Will be keeping Mighty Max indefinitely. A beater truck is worth its weight in... scrap metal.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: giant_mtb on August 18, 2015, 12:40:03 PM
Not a fan of first-gen CTS's.  They haven't aged well and the interiors are pretty cheap and shitty.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 18, 2015, 12:40:03 PM
Not a fan of first-gen CTS's.  They haven't aged well and the interiors are pretty cheap and shitty.

I know that, and that's why the V is the only option.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 18, 2015, 12:51:31 PM
What have you tried already?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: giant_mtb on August 18, 2015, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 12:43:23 PM
I know that, and that's why the V is the only option.

A nice clean V wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: GoCougs on August 18, 2015, 01:02:32 PM
G35/G37 by a country mile!
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 01:23:10 PM
Quote from: Laconian on August 18, 2015, 12:51:31 PM
What have you tried already?

I have driven a CTS-V, and found it took a lot of effort, but it was worth it. Very muscle car.
A G35 was very pleasing overall, and good enough for doritos. Only drove an automatic, though.
Have not driven a 3-series or IS.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 02:12:22 PM
I want this

http://www.atlanticautoexchange.com/mobile/mdetails.aspx?VID=257462028# (http://www.atlanticautoexchange.com/mobile/mdetails.aspx?VID=257462028#)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 02:15:26 PM
May like this

2008 BMW 328i
http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/18242de7 (http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/18242de7)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 02:22:45 PM
Interested, but skeptical of used turbos. People don't know how to take care of turbos, so they break.

2008 BMW 335i
http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/182d316c (http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/182d316c)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 02:46:30 PM
http://m.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2007-bmw-328i-vs-2008-cadillac-cts-di-2008-m-b-c300-sport-2008-infiniti-g35-sport-comparison-tests (http://m.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2007-bmw-328i-vs-2008-cadillac-cts-di-2008-m-b-c300-sport-2008-infiniti-g35-sport-comparison-tests)


BMW wins, of course.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 18, 2015, 03:14:14 PM
BMW horses feel stronger!
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 18, 2015, 03:25:49 PM
I'd skip the 335's and go backwards.

15K will get you a damn fine E46 330i ZHP package car........if you can find one.


Wayyyyy better than a E90 IMO.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: GoCougs on August 18, 2015, 03:28:24 PM
The G35 is faster and looks better.

But sigh - all N/A motors - those were the days...

Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 03:29:08 PM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 18, 2015, 03:25:49 PM
I'd skip the 335's and go backwards.

15K will get you a damn fine E46 330i ZHP package car........if you can find one.


Wayyyyy better than a E90 IMO.

I have to admit I don't know the fundamental differences that would make an E46 better than an E90. Please enlighten.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 18, 2015, 03:29:16 PM
The BMW is gorgeous, sadly the G35 has aged very poorly IMO.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2577/3723413219_f8192f021e_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 18, 2015, 03:30:26 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 03:29:08 PM
I have to admit I don't know the fundamental differences that would make an E46 better than an E90. Please enlighten.


You mentioned used turbo's, the 46's didn't use them. Also, IMO, the interior of the E90 is a gigantic step backwards compared to the E46. However most of the differences are subjective.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 03:41:52 PM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 18, 2015, 03:29:16 PM
The BMW is gorgeous, sadly the G35 has aged very poorly IMO.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2577/3723413219_f8192f021e_b.jpg)

Yes, gorgeous
But the G35 is like a Skyline!
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 03:43:24 PM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 18, 2015, 03:30:26 PM
You mentioned used turbo's, the 46's didn't use them. Also, IMO, the interior of the E90 is a gigantic step backwards compared to the E46. However most of the differences are subjective.

Meh, all of the interiors are better than what I'd used to. Differences in driving enthusiasmability, and self-serviceability are more relevant to my interests.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: MX793 on August 18, 2015, 03:47:37 PM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 18, 2015, 03:29:16 PM
The BMW is gorgeous, sadly the G35 has aged very poorly IMO.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2577/3723413219_f8192f021e_b.jpg)

I never thought the 1st gen G35 sedan looked all that great.  Too tall and narrow.  The 2nd gen G35 (which became the G37 in its 3rd year during the mid-cycle powertrain update) looked great and still looks great.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 18, 2015, 03:56:23 PM
Yeah boyee :praise:
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 04:04:34 PM
2005 Cadillac CTS-V
$16,672
http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/184fd412 (http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/184fd412)


Very like
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: GoCougs on August 18, 2015, 04:08:28 PM
The G is a Skyline (Skyline 350GT in Japan)!

(http://www.j-spec.com.au/f17071/2008-Nissan-Skyline-350GT_Type_SP_sedan_11.jpg)

Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 2o6 on August 18, 2015, 04:16:45 PM
I wouldn't touch the 335i. If you get an E90, stay prefaclift non turbo



The turbo motors start getting really finicky fairly early in their life cycle
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Xer0 on August 18, 2015, 04:17:16 PM
The first gen G's have not aged well at all and I wouldn't recommend them since I've heard from plenty of owners of shit going wrong left and right.  The IS250 wasn't competitive when new and I doubt you'll be able to find a manual for it anyway.  I really like the 328, but you know, BMW reliability.  The CTS-V is easily the coolest and you're coming from an Accent so even its shitty interior will be okay.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 04:18:14 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on August 18, 2015, 04:16:45 PM
I wouldn't touch the 335i. If you get an E90, stay prefaclift non turbo



The turbo motors start getting really finicky fairly early in their life cycle

Something with fuel pumps, too.
That's why I put 328i in the poll. 230hp is reasonable.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 04:21:52 PM
Quote from: Xer0 on August 18, 2015, 04:17:16 PM
The first gen G's have not aged well at all and I wouldn't recommend them since I've heard from plenty of owners of shit going wrong left and right.  The IS250 wasn't competitive when new and I doubt you'll be able to find a manual for it anyway.  I really like the 328, but you know, BMW reliability.  The CTS-V is easily the coolest and you're coming from an Accent so even its shitty interior will be okay.

I have found a few IS250s locally, but they are low on power. They also look too much like gussied up Camrys.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 2o6 on August 18, 2015, 04:22:33 PM
I'm leaning strongly towards the IS. I also think used Nissan products are generally trash
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 2o6 on August 18, 2015, 04:24:09 PM
C300, if you can find it. I drove a manual one a few weeks ago. I like it more than the E90
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on August 18, 2015, 04:24:09 PM
C300, if you can find it. I drove a manual one a few weeks ago. I like it more than the E90

It lost the C&D comparison. I can't buy a loser. Even the Accent placed 5/7 in the 2007 subcompact comparison.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Raza on August 18, 2015, 05:06:36 PM
CTS-V is a class above the rest in power, but probably lower in refinement...the base model is like that.

The IS250 lacks power and is heavy. Like 3300 pounds and only 200 horsepower. Not really getting a lot out of the chassis in that one. Probably very reliable, if it doesn't catch fire. Great looking car and it's aged well. Not a bad choice, really if you don't mind it being slow.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/423000-lexus-models-recalled-for-fire-risk-due-to-leaky-fuel-gaskets/ (http://blog.caranddriver.com/423000-lexus-models-recalled-for-fire-risk-due-to-leaky-fuel-gaskets/)

G35 sedan was always blah to look at and hasn't aged well. Clutch and shifter suck. Engine is good. Interior is at best okay. But reliability should be good and it's pretty quick. Probably the best choice here.

I'd prefer the 328i, but it won't be cheap to run.

Why does it have to be a sedan?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 18, 2015, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: MX793 on August 18, 2015, 03:47:37 PM
I never thought the 1st gen G35 sedan looked all that great.  Too tall and narrow.  The 2nd gen G35 (which became the G37 in its 3rd year during the mid-cycle powertrain update) looked great and still looks great.

I agree about the g37, much better looking.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 18, 2015, 05:32:09 PM
Any older is300 would be compelling if you can find one.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 18, 2015, 05:32:45 PM
Otherwise stretching the budget and getting a g37 might be the best bet.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 05:53:52 PM
Quote from: Raza  on August 18, 2015, 05:06:36 PM
CTS-V is a class above the rest in power, but probably lower in refinement...the base model is like that.

The IS250 lacks power and is heavy. Like 3300 pounds and only 200 horsepower. Not really getting a lot out of the chassis in that one. Probably very reliable, if it doesn't catch fire. Great looking car and it's aged well. Not a bad choice, really if you don't mind it being slow.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/423000-lexus-models-recalled-for-fire-risk-due-to-leaky-fuel-gaskets/ (http://blog.caranddriver.com/423000-lexus-models-recalled-for-fire-risk-due-to-leaky-fuel-gaskets/)

G35 sedan was always blah to look at and hasn't aged well. Clutch and shifter suck. Engine is good. Interior is at best okay. But reliability should be good and it's pretty quick. Probably the best choice here.

I'd prefer the 328i, but it won't be cheap to run.

Why does it have to be a sedan?

Sedan is because I have a dog kid now. Dog needs to stay in back seat and have his own windows.

Cost to run is not a huge issue, as I can do most of my own work, sans anything that requires expensive proprietary tools.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 18, 2015, 05:32:45 PM
Otherwise stretching the budget and getting a g37 might be the best bet.

The only thing I would go much over $15K for is a nice CTS-V. It is just a "special" car.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 18, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
My Z was a SWB G and it ran great. I would recommend that. Low key non turbo E90s are not bad either but still kind of crap shoots. E46s are crap shoots and 335is are bigger ones. IS250 :wtf: CTS-V is OK if you have a rattling Rubbermaid fetish
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
But which one will dog like more?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: GoCougs on August 18, 2015, 09:54:03 PM
G sedan M/T seems a much better car for you than 350Z - same performance, more practical, far higher refinement.

Love me some pooprod V8 but I'd choose (and did choose) the G over the CTS-V. Better built car overall, plus, at the equivalent price point, a CTS-V will be older/more miles/worse condition.

I so wish I could've opted for a M/T G but I needed AWD. It's a fantastic drive and I think you'll love it - it's much more like a muscle car esp. compared to the ninny lesser models of the 3er or IS ;).
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 68_427 on August 18, 2015, 10:40:22 PM
GTO
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 08:53:50 AM
Quote from: 68_427 on August 18, 2015, 10:40:22 PM
GTO

Not likely
Title: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: CALL_911 on August 19, 2015, 09:13:38 AM
Didn't you have a GTO at some point, Nick?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 09:38:06 AM
Quote from: CALL_911 on August 19, 2015, 09:13:38 AM
Didn't you have a GTO at some point, Nick?

No. The only Ppntiac I had was a Grand LeMans.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: MX793 on August 19, 2015, 09:56:54 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 18, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
But which one will dog like more?

Dog would probably like a wagon.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 10:19:05 AM
Quote from: MX793 on August 19, 2015, 09:56:54 AM
Dog would probably like a wagon.
So would I, but find me a 2005+ manual RWD wagon <$15K.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: CALL_911 on August 19, 2015, 10:24:08 AM
E91
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: CALL_911 on August 19, 2015, 10:24:08 AM
E91

Autotrader doesn't list a single one within 200 miles.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 10:51:42 AM
Aside from being heavy, underpowered, and looking like a Camry, what is wrong with an IS250? The interior looks nice, and I bet it's quiet.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 10:53:33 AM
Probably the biggest downside to the lexus is that you will have to overpay for less car. They hold value pretty well.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 10:55:56 AM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 10:53:33 AM
Probably the biggest downside to the lexus is that you will have to overpay for less car. They hold value pretty well.

Just browsing, they seem to be on par with G35s, and less than 328s.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 11:01:53 AM
well then give one a try(testdrive) and see if you like it.

I'd assume it would be the more luxurious/reliable vehicle in that group. G would be more sporty and the BMW would combine the luxo and sport in a nice unreliable/maintenance heavy package.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 11:02:13 AM
I just remembered... RX-8s are sedans. Do the back windows roll down for dogs?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 11:03:22 AM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 11:01:53 AM
well then give one a try(testdrive) and see if you like it.

I'd assume it would be the more luxurious/reliable vehicle in that group. G would be more sporty and the BMW would combine the luxo and sport in a nice unreliable/maintenance heavy package.

I might like it, as long as Toyota didn't inject too much boring appliance DNA into it.
But G35 is on top so far.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 11:11:39 AM
Also, just so you know, 15K is evo money. It would be what I'd be looking at.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 11:27:33 AM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 11:11:39 AM
Also, just so you know, 15K is evo money. It would be what I'd be looking at.

All EVOs under $15K are over 400 miles away, or older than 2005.

The WRX, however, is more plentiful, and available in waggin.
The Impreza interior sucks, however. Accent is better quality. However, the WRX might be more to my liking, overall. However.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 11:47:20 AM
My other <$15K option is a new Mitsubishi Mirage!
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 11:49:12 AM
New base Mazda 3? or a well optioned 2?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 11:50:10 AM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 11:49:12 AM
New base Mazda 3? or a well optioned 2?

Fuck that, it was a bad joke. I have no use for FWD here.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 11:51:26 AM
WRX wagon would be cool
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2015, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 11:27:33 AM
All EVOs under $15K are over 400 miles away, or older than 2005.

The WRX, however, is more plentiful, and available in waggin.
The Impreza interior sucks, however. Accent is better quality. However, the WRX might be more to my liking, overall. However.
9-2X bro.

And lol @ an EVO. They are 240SX status (read: old porn star status)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 12:38:04 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2015, 12:13:08 PM
9-2X bro.

And lol @ an EVO. They are 240SX status (read: old porn star status)

I don't feel like I need AWD at all. RWD preferred.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2015, 12:51:49 PM
E91 for sure, u can get them for <$10K at least by me
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 12:59:40 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2015, 12:51:49 PM
E91 for sure, u can get them for <$10K at least by me

Lynx?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: GoCougs on August 19, 2015, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 10:51:42 AM
Aside from being heavy, underpowered, and looking like a Camry, what is wrong with an IS250? The interior looks nice, and I bet it's quiet.

What's wrong with the IS250 is the availability of the G35/37 at about the same price.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 02:06:08 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on August 19, 2015, 01:31:15 PM
What's wrong with the IS250 is the availability of the G35/37 at about the same price.

Refinement vs. Muscle.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 02:11:50 PM
2007 Mercedes-Benz C230
$10,993
http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/1839b847 (http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/1839b847)

Hmm...
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 19, 2015, 02:17:13 PM
What about Pontiac G8?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 02:29:32 PM
Quote from: Laconian on August 19, 2015, 02:17:13 PM
What about Pontiac G8?

Most are autotragics, and there are very few.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: GoCougs on August 19, 2015, 02:34:41 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 02:06:08 PM
Refinement vs. Muscle.

First gen IS ain't that far ahead of the G and the G is pretty good in absolute, and of course the G has WAY more muscle and character (esp. the curvy fenders when looking out the windshield - seems minor but I love it).
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 02:11:50 PM
2007 Mercedes-Benz C230
$10,993
http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/1839b847 (http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/1839b847)

Hmm...

Not bad for 11K, and the good news is that you'll have 4K to get you through the first 2 years of repairs.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 02:38:15 PM
Not bad for 11K, and the good news is that you'll have 4K to get you through the first 2 years of repairs.

But H&H
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 19, 2015, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 02:29:32 PM
Most are autotragics, and there are very few.
They are all Autos. Only the 2009 GXPs were offered with a manual!
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Fuck it. Dog can ride shotgun.

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/5178382370.html (http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/5178382370.html)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: GoCougs on August 19, 2015, 03:16:14 PM
Problem is prior to the new generation, the C Class has consistently been one of the worst cars for sale in the US for quite some time. Unlike the 3er or A4 or the G or others of the poser class, it offered absolutely zero value proposition - it was like an E Class, except worse in every single way.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 03:37:31 PM
I do not find the little Benz particularly appealing. CTS-V is appealing.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 19, 2015, 03:45:37 PM
HHR SS. It satisfies none of your criteria, but it has no Heritage, and the guy that made it was High.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 03:50:37 PM
Quote from: Laconian on August 19, 2015, 03:45:37 PM
HHR SS. It satisfies none of your criteria, but it has no Heritage, and the guy that made it was High.

I will take this suggestion very seriously with zero percent consideration.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 19, 2015, 04:00:16 PM
We'll agree to disagree. Right. Moving forward.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: Laconian on August 19, 2015, 04:00:16 PM
We'll agree to disagree. Right. Moving forward.

Moving forward is not something I would choose an HHR for.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 05:47:56 PM
CTS-V is winning in my head. It wins on the track, too. And at the drive-in on Saturday nights.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 05:50:19 PM
A CTS-V just passed me on the highway. It was being tailed by an HHR. What does this mean?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
Go buy your ctsv then.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 06:03:41 PM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
Go buy your ctsv then.

Steps:

Put Weber on Mighty Max so I can DD it.
Sell Axnt.
Buy CTS-V.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 06:13:18 PM
How is a barbecue grill going to help you dd mighty max?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 09:05:08 PM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 19, 2015, 06:13:18 PM
How is a barbecue grill going to help you dd mighty max?

Hey, I gotta eat. Might as well eat good.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 19, 2015, 10:25:09 PM
Stick with Hanguk; get a Genesis! The spiritual successor of the Scoupe
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 20, 2015, 02:59:52 AM
Quote from: Laconian on August 19, 2015, 10:25:09 PM
Stick with Hanguk; get a Genesis! The spiritual successor of the Scoupe

The only Scoupe I want is a Scoupe of ice cream.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 68_427 on August 20, 2015, 04:25:58 AM
Watch for carbon buildup in the Toyota/Lexus 2.5L
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 2o6 on August 20, 2015, 08:01:48 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 10:19:05 AM
So would I, but find me a 2005+ manual RWD wagon <$15K.


E90
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Payman on August 20, 2015, 10:59:04 AM
(http://azr.cdnmedia.autotrader.ca/1/photos/201508/0615/4310/c4d69e25-d294-456a-a484-fb8191aed5b1.jpg?w=800&h=600)

http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Ford/Country+Squire/RED+DEER/Alberta/19_8905678_/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=5_15_9 (http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Ford/Country+Squire/RED+DEER/Alberta/19_8905678_/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=5_15_9)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Raza on August 20, 2015, 11:13:12 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 02:11:50 PM
2007 Mercedes-Benz C230
$10,993
http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/1839b847 (http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/1839b847)

Hmm...

I've driven dozens of that generation C class. Most were crap. I liked the C class hatch for its quirkiness factor, but it wasn't really a good car.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Raza on August 20, 2015, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Fuck it. Dog can ride shotgun.

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/5178382370.html (http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/5178382370.html)

I fully endorse this.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: MX793 on August 20, 2015, 11:28:13 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Fuck it. Dog can ride shotgun.

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/5178382370.html (http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/5178382370.html)

Dogs like convertibles.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 20, 2015, 12:53:51 PM
Hell yeah, get a Z4
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Raza on August 20, 2015, 01:07:49 PM
Z4 is a fucking awesome car. Sell your dog.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 20, 2015, 01:35:38 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 19, 2015, 12:59:40 PM
Lynx?
Ask Char, he had about 90 when I was car shopping. I can't find any now but they were out there.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2015, 11:01:46 AM
(http://wholewomannetwork.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/courage-quote.jpg)

CTS-V
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 21, 2015, 11:05:32 AM
CTS-V is one of those cars on which C&D ladels heaps of superlatives when it's new, but when the once generation comes out, they rip on the interior and refinement and parts-binny GMness. I don't know if it's actually good when new, or if C&D just wants to keep their ad accounts happy.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 21, 2015, 11:08:49 AM
Buddy of mine has a 1st gen. Interior aside it's a good car. Truthfully the first gen G35 is not much better.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 21, 2015, 11:16:12 AM
I looked at getting a 1st gen CTS-V a while back. I test drove a few, but prices were a bit higher(1-2K) at most of the dealerships than I was willing to pay(ended up in my second evo).

Outside of the interior, which like most GM interiors of the time was functional but nothing special, it was a good car.

It is what it is, a fantastic motor in a normal car. So pretty much what most of the LS motors ended up in. I'd still consider one in the future.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2015, 11:28:51 AM
Very fast car, the CTS-V. Good back seat for dog.
Need to sell Accent very fast.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 21, 2015, 11:30:38 AM
I think it looks pretty good - it was super edgy when it came out, but now it looks pretty restrained compared to dramatic bulgey cars of today.

Especially if the clear plastic around the headlights is buffed out.  The car looks crappy with foggy headlights, they are so integral to the shape of the front end.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Payman on August 21, 2015, 11:32:03 AM
Well, if you get a Z4, you don't have to look at it while driving it.  :devil:
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2015, 11:32:12 AM
Quote from: Laconian on August 21, 2015, 11:30:38 AM
I think it looks pretty good - it was super edgy when it came out, but now it looks pretty restrained compared to dramatic bulgey cars of today.

Especially if the clear plastic around the headlights is buffed out.  The car looks crappy with foggy headlights, they are so integral to the shape of the front end.

I have polished many headlight lenses. It becomes as regular as buffing and waxing the paint.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2015, 11:36:19 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 21, 2015, 11:32:03 AM
Well, if you get a Z4, you don't have to look at it while driving it.  :devil:

(http://www.myiconart.com/2924-thickbox/hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-hoodie-sweat-marvin-very-depressed.jpg)

Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2015, 11:41:23 AM
Z4s... depressing

(http://www.slammedenuff.com/uploads/5/5/3/6/5536481/8582046_orig.jpg)


(http://www.slammedenuff.com/uploads/5/5/3/6/5536481/7906442_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 21, 2015, 11:43:07 AM
Jesus, those look horrible.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Payman on August 21, 2015, 11:43:20 AM
Jesus Fuck.


Why????
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Raza on August 21, 2015, 12:04:10 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 21, 2015, 11:32:03 AM
Well, if you get a Z4, you don't have to look at it while driving it.  :devil:

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/26043751.jpg)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Raza on August 21, 2015, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2015, 11:41:23 AM
Z4s... depressing

(http://www.slammedenuff.com/uploads/5/5/3/6/5536481/8582046_orig.jpg)


(http://www.slammedenuff.com/uploads/5/5/3/6/5536481/7906442_orig.jpg)

The people who did that should be castrated.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 21, 2015, 12:22:58 PM
Looks like it was dropped from a crane up on high.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: MX793 on August 21, 2015, 12:23:55 PM
Still trying to wrap my head around the whole "put tires that are too narrow onto rims that are too wide" thing.  Who thought that looks cool?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 21, 2015, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: MX793 on August 21, 2015, 12:23:55 PM
Still trying to wrap my head around the whole "put tires that are too narrow onto rims that are too wide" thing.  Who thought that looks cool?
Nobody, but it gets teenagers retweets and likes from other teenagers on the internet.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 21, 2015, 01:39:31 PM
Quote from: MX793 on August 21, 2015, 12:23:55 PM
Still trying to wrap my head around the whole "put tires that are too narrow onto rims that are too wide" thing.  Who thought that looks cool?

I greatly prefer the reverse. I'd rather hit a curb with a tire sidewall.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 22, 2015, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: MX793 on August 21, 2015, 12:23:55 PM
Still trying to wrap my head around the whole "put tires that are too narrow onto rims that are too wide" thing.  Who thought that looks cool?
:hesaid:  :nutty:
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 68_427 on August 22, 2015, 10:49:35 PM
dis is kool

(http://speedcars.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bmw-z3-slammed-lrg5ajak.jpg)
(http://www.stancefactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IMG_1356-1000.jpg)
(http://www.stancefactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IMG_1966-1000.jpg)
(http://www.stancefactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/May_Photo_Shoot_56941.jpg)
(http://www.stancefactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/WP_20150411_012-1000.jpg)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 23, 2015, 05:03:51 AM
dis is kooler

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6ZtmYRtxJoo/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 23, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
Does that ever spool???????
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 23, 2015, 10:39:01 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 23, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
Does that ever spool???????

Eventually, yes. It's for top speed more than drag racing.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 280Z Turbo on August 23, 2015, 02:28:07 PM
Danger to compressor wheel
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 23, 2015, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 23, 2015, 02:28:07 PM
Danger to compressor wheel
Dem retweets doe
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 23, 2015, 07:35:08 PM
My Accent buyer will take delivery in about a month. October will be down payment saving month. November will be CTS-V month.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 23, 2015, 07:43:09 PM
Take delivery in a month on a $3332 car? I would keep the ads up.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 23, 2015, 07:45:36 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 23, 2015, 07:43:09 PM
Take delivery in a month on a $3332 car? I would keep the ads up.

It's my cousin. He can't buy it until he comes back from Italy. And I cut the price substantially for him.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 23, 2015, 07:55:10 PM
Damn, I was going to offer my gtr+cashes.

Enjoy your ctsv.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 23, 2015, 07:57:51 PM
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 23, 2015, 07:55:10 PM
Damn, I was going to offer my gtr+cashes.

Enjoy your ctsv.

I just called my cousin and told him to fuck off. We have a deal, sir.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Laconian on August 23, 2015, 09:33:33 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: cawimmer430 on August 24, 2015, 10:10:48 AM
 :ohyeah:

(http://www.forcegt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bmw-135i-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 24, 2015, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 24, 2015, 10:10:48 AM
:ohyeah:

(http://www.forcegt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bmw-135i-1.jpg)

Junk. The fuel pumps explose, the turbos seize, and nobody can figure out what the damn iDrive knob is for.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: cawimmer430 on August 25, 2015, 12:10:30 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 24, 2015, 10:31:23 AM
Junk. The fuel pumps explose, the turbos seize, and nobody can figure out what the damn iDrive knob is for.

But the BMW logo attracts bitches and hoes! And it has a backseat!  :praise:
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2015, 02:54:12 PM
With Accent nearly sold, it is so tempting to just not take out another car loan.

This meets the criteria, except the manual transmission.

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5155964989.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5155964989.html)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: giant_mtb on August 26, 2015, 03:06:11 PM
Plis, it is clean car.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2015, 03:10:06 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 26, 2015, 03:06:11 PM
Plis, it is clean car.

Thanks, capt. obvi
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Cookie Monster on August 26, 2015, 04:29:29 PM
If you get that car it's necessary to have a constant haze of weed smoke in it.

HOT BOX ALL DAY ERRYDAY. :rastaman:
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2015, 04:33:08 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on August 26, 2015, 04:29:29 PM
If you get that car it's necessary to have a constant haze of weed smoke in it.

HOT BOX ALL DAY ERRYDAY. :rastaman:

I'd lose my job, tho
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 26, 2015, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2015, 02:54:12 PM
With Accent nearly sold, it is so tempting to just not take out another car loan.

This meets the criteria, except the manual transmission.

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5155964989.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5155964989.html)
Hacked by Wimmer?
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2015, 05:27:30 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on August 26, 2015, 05:23:08 PM
Hacked by Wimmer?

LOL

How about this?

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5177885285.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5177885285.html)
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 26, 2015, 05:38:46 PM
SMH....
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2015, 05:42:18 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on August 26, 2015, 05:38:46 PM
SMH....

Not sure what is SMH. Yes, the transmission sucks, and the camshafts break.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 26, 2015, 05:43:04 PM
AND THE WRONG WHEELS DO PUT THE "POWER" TO THE GROUND......
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2015, 05:44:36 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on August 26, 2015, 05:43:04 PM
AND THE WRONG WHEELS DO PUT THE "POWER" TO THE GROUND......

Reverse works, I'm sure. And dat price$$$
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2015, 05:46:11 PM
OK, does this fix everything?

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5171204068.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5171204068.html)

The answer.
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 26, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2015, 05:46:11 PM
OK, does this fix everything?

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5171204068.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5171204068.html)

The answer.
:ducks:
Title: Re: Sportsy RWD Manual Sedan $15K
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2015, 09:20:48 PM
Strawberry?