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I should probably get a backup vehicle. My preference is waggin instead of another pickup. Don't care about much. Autotragic is okay. A/C and > 20 MPG is also good. Commonly < $2000 is good. Expensive repairs are no good.

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E91

Did someone say Waggin?


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I've had my 2000 Volvo wagon since 2006. Best car I've owned (except 1964 VW camper, but the V70 has been more reliable). My V70 has hauled lawnmowers, wood fence planks, and a lot of gear for weddings. It down right now, not sure if it is out. Still counting.

Quote from: JWC on September 28, 2015, 04:58:00 AM
I've had my 2000 Volvo wagon since 2006. Best car I've owned (except 1964 VW camper, but the V70 has been more reliable). My V70 has hauled lawnmowers, wood fence planks, and a lot of gear for weddings. It down right now, not sure if it is out. Still counting.

Is it turbo or no? And what kind of MPG do you get?

I have a soft spot for Saabs. Should be able to get an old one for cheap too.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 28, 2015, 06:44:08 AM
I have a soft spot for Saabs. Should be able to get an old one for cheap too.

I like how the 9-5 2.3T drives, even though the autotragic's manual shift mode is pointlessly unresponsive.

Buy John's Volvo.  It needs some lovin.  You can provide that lovin.

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 28, 2015, 06:30:35 AM
Is it turbo or no? And what kind of MPG do you get?

Non-turbo. It averages about 26mpg overall. On the freeway at 70mph, the display shows 32-33mpg.

Quote from: MrH on September 28, 2015, 08:57:32 AM
Buy John's Volvo.  It needs some lovin.  You can provide that lovin.

It needs a lot of lovin'. I still haven't listed it for sale yet. I'm having a difficult time coming to grips with the idea of not owning it.

I've owned a Saab---I got rid of it for the Volvo. The Saab was great to drive, but it was an electronic nightmare. SID was failing--$600 to replace. Turbo vent sludge problems for that year. The clincher was the alarm going off. The alarm back-up module is sealed, with two AA batteries inside. But, it is sealed? You have to remove the front bumper cover and break open the module, replace the batteries, then try to seal it back up well enough that water doesn't intrude and destroy it. Stupid design.

Saabs were also early to the "radio that's integrated with everything" craze, but they look like regular double DIN units. So u get the stodgy dash design with out the ability to replace the radio. Yea pass on them.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 28, 2015, 12:28:35 PM
Saabs were also early to the "radio that's integrated with everything" craze, but they look like regular double DIN units. So u get the stodgy dash design with out the ability to replace the radio. Yea pass on them.

A sub-$2000 backup vehicle for work...yeah, radio is #1 Priority I'm sure.

The Saturns are OK in 4cyl guise. The 3.0L should be avoided at all costs.

The Saab is impossible to get parts for.

The Volvos are ok, but the 940 is more reliable than the tempermental 850

The V40 is absolute garbage

The Tercel is awesome, but good luck finding one

Legacy is solid

The Focus is OK

Quote from: 2o6 on September 28, 2015, 12:53:22 PM
The Saturns are OK in 4cyl guise. The 3.0L should be avoided at all costs.

The Saab is impossible to get parts for.

The Volvos are ok, but the 940 is more reliable than the tempermental 850

The V40 is absolute garbage

The Tercel is awesome, but good luck finding one

Legacy is solid

The Focus is OK

Yeah, that Saturn LW300 engine is not easy to work on. But I'm not afraid of it.

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 28, 2015, 12:36:39 PM
A sub-$2000 backup vehicle for work...yeah, radio is #1 Priority I'm sure.

Dude, my primary vehicle doesn't even have a radio.  :lol:

Quote from: JWC on September 28, 2015, 09:53:14 AM
Non-turbo. It averages about 26mpg overall. On the freeway at 70mph, the display shows 32-33mpg.

It needs a lot of lovin'. I still haven't listed it for sale yet. I'm having a difficult time coming to grips with the idea of not owning it.

I've owned a Saab---I got rid of it for the Volvo. The Saab was great to drive, but it was an electronic nightmare. SID was failing--$600 to replace. Turbo vent sludge problems for that year. The clincher was the alarm going off. The alarm back-up module is sealed, with two AA batteries inside. But, it is sealed? You have to remove the front bumper cover and break open the module, replace the batteries, then try to seal it back up well enough that water doesn't intrude and destroy it. Stupid design.

Let me know when you decide to sell it, if it's in the next month. I'm buying pretty soon.
It will probably end up being whatever is s good deal at the time, but most likely one of the choices I listed.

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 28, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
Let me know when you decide to sell it, if it's in the next month. I'm buying pretty soon.
It will probably end up being whatever is s good deal at the time, but most likely one of the choices I listed.

Will do. At least we're only a few hundred miles apart.

Quote from: 2o6 on September 28, 2015, 12:53:22 PM


The Tercel is awesome, but good luck finding one

What year Tercel? When I worked for Toyota back in the 1990s, we dreaded those things because of temperamental throttle bodies causing stalling problems. I think the TB was updated six times in one year.

A 4WD wagon one would be like an 1985-1986. Great cars, terrible rust.



You would probably find a Corolla All Trac easier

I like the Tercel better. An older one with a carburetor would be sweet, but impossible to find.

I forgot about PT Cruiser. I'd pay $2K for one.

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 28, 2015, 05:06:07 PM
I forgot about PT Cruiser. I'd pay $2K for one.

I'd rather have a Chevy HHR.

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 28, 2015, 06:00:20 PM
I'd rather have a Chevy HHR.

Oh, I don't think so. The PT is bad enough.

Damn autotragic :facepalm:

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5237528116.html (http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5237528116.html)

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 27, 2015, 09:58:21 PM
I should probably get a backup vehicle. My preference is waggin instead of another pickup. Don't care about much. Autotragic is okay. A/C and > 20 MPG is also good. Commonly < $2000 is good. Expensive repairs are no good.

How about an 01-06 Escape?  It's essentially a tall station wagon.

Also a late 90's Escort Wagon might be a consideration if you can find one that's in good shape.  Cheap and about 90% of the cargo capacity of the Escape and with a manual it gets over 30 MPG.

Escapes are still expensive because SUV WOW.
Escorts are usually pretty junky by now.
Saturns, however, depriciate like Jaguars. Still fresh, but cheap as anything.
http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5233123786.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5233123786.html)

Finish this swap, Nick

http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5170174627.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5170174627.html)

Quote from: 2o6 on September 30, 2015, 12:33:41 PM
Finish this swap, Nick

http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5170174627.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5170174627.html)

If I had a garage, I'd pick it up this weekend.
Do you have any idea how much of a waste my life is without a garage to work in? I fucking hate it.

HOLY FUCKSTICK

http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5245071111.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5245071111.html)

Or just a Fucus

http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5226136309.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5226136309.html)

Or another holy fuckstick:

http://asheville.craigslist.org/cto/5243490263.html (http://asheville.craigslist.org/cto/5243490263.html)

But then I might need a third backup :lol:

GET DAT TOYOTA VAN

Civic and Escort wagons are both pretty old by now.  But there's plenty of decent Focus wagons still out there going for peanuts.

Or you could try to find one of the seven Mitsubishi Lancer wagons they supposedly sold in America back in 2004.


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Mitsubishi-Lancer-SportBack-LS.jpg/1280px-Mitsubishi-Lancer-SportBack-LS.jpg)

Quote from: thecarnut on September 30, 2015, 02:12:06 PM
GET DAT TOYOTA VAN

I KNOW DUDE BUT I DON'T THE MONEY THIS WEEK AND YOU KNOW THAT SHIT'LL BE SOLD BY TOMORROW. DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT.

Quote from: thecarnut on September 30, 2015, 02:12:06 PM
GET DAT TOYOTA VAN

3AT, tho

Quote from: 2o6 on September 30, 2015, 04:11:49 PM

3AT, tho

Whatever. It's a VAN.

Saaaaaaaaaaab

http://greensboro.craigslist.org/cto/5243089482.html (http://greensboro.craigslist.org/cto/5243089482.html)

automatic doe

Quote from: thecarnut on September 30, 2015, 05:38:35 PM
automatic doe

I know. It's just a backup car. Whatever.

Quattro wagen

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5246783593.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5246783593.html)

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 30, 2015, 08:34:40 PM
Quattro wagen

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5246783593.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5246783593.html)

Lowball him at $1998.

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 30, 2015, 08:35:55 PM
Lowball him at $1998.

lel


Or I could do a Tribute
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5237427472.html (http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5237427472.html)

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5245295407.html (http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5245295407.html)

(http://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_91jZcIaeJxY_600x450.jpg)

Look at how fucking pimp that kid is. You could be that pimp, Nick. You could be, if you had a Vista Cruiser.

Get the Allroad

In a town of only 5K people, I was surprised to find that there are two of those Toyota vans. Considering they were buy-backs at one time, there shouldn't be that many around.

Quote from: JWC on October 01, 2015, 06:24:11 AM
In a town of only 5K people, I was surprised to find that there are two of those Toyota vans. Considering they were buy-backs at one time, there shouldn't be that many around.

I thought only the Nissan Vans were buybacks

Nick, buy the family Truckster. It doesn't meet your mileage requirements, but its mechanically solid and could use a respite from winter salt.

Then, I'll buy the OJ/Nuge mobile and make everybody think I'm over compensating.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 01, 2015, 06:37:14 AM
Nick, buy the family Truckster. It doesn't meet your mileage requirements, but its mechanically solid and could use a respite from winter salt.

Then, I'll buy the OJ/Nuge mobile and make everybody think I'm over compensating.

Is it under $2000 $1000?

Quote from: 2o6 on October 01, 2015, 06:33:53 AM

I thought only the Nissan Vans were buybacks

There was a lot of problems with the vans, that added up, but never actually killed it....well, it did have an overheating problem that blew head gaskets. When I was with Toyota East in 1990, we had one of the buy-backs as a service shuttle. I loved that van. But, Toyota had already started to restrict parts availability making it a poor choice, and I was into air-cooled VWs at the time and my money went down that drain instead.

Secret or soft recalls were numerous back then. I think the 24-hour news cycle and social media has all but eliminated those now. When I was with Honda in the 1980s, Accords had a terrible water leak into the cabin between the body and right front fender. Civics prior to 1980 and again around 1986 went through head gaskets like crazy as Honda tried different designs and materials to stop the problem. Late seventies Accords had corrosion problems on the front fenders, even in dry climates--rusting through in less than two or three years. Benz 190Es were terrible and had like twenty recalls all at the same time. It would take two days to complete the list. Now people recall them as a great little ride.

http://muskegon.craigslist.org/cto/5217197837.html (http://muskegon.craigslist.org/cto/5217197837.html)

That's crazy, I didn't know those things rode on leaf springs?!!

Yeah dude, the rear axle is just a straight metal beam on leafs. If went like that for decades of minivans.

Quote from: 68_427 on October 03, 2015, 10:35:41 PM
http://muskegon.craigslist.org/cto/5217197837.html (http://muskegon.craigslist.org/cto/5217197837.html)

Is that a manual turbo minivan i see? 

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 04, 2015, 05:56:22 AM
Is that a manual turbo minivan i see?

U getting that now instead of the Nuge mobile?

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 04, 2015, 06:10:50 AM
U getting that now instead of the Nuge mobile?

Lost out on the nuge mobile. Don't exactly know what Im going to get instead.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 04, 2015, 07:18:43 AM
Lost out on the nuge mobile. Don't exactly know what Im going to get instead.

http://m.truckpaper.com/ListingDetail/Index?industryName=truck&listingId=6372301&categoryId=809 (http://m.truckpaper.com/ListingDetail/Index?industryName=truck&listingId=6372301&categoryId=809)

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 04, 2015, 07:59:34 AM
http://m.truckpaper.com/ListingDetail/Index?industryName=truck&listingId=6372301&categoryId=809 (http://m.truckpaper.com/ListingDetail/Index?industryName=truck&listingId=6372301&categoryId=809)

I might be a bit of a douchebag, but Im not willing to embrace that douchiness to that degree; and I'm not a rich douche either.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 04, 2015, 08:04:06 AM
I might be a bit of a douchebag, but Im not willing to embrace that douchiness to that degree; and I'm not a rich douche either.

Yeah the entire idea of that vehicle is douche .  I would get a regular tractor and a flatbed trailer  if I was a rich semi douche . :lol:

Quote from: HotRodPilot on October 03, 2015, 10:38:44 PM
That's crazy, I didn't know those things rode on leaf springs?!!

Yeah, they were leaf sprung until like 2009 with the new boxy generation.

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5247739572.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5247739572.html)

$650, for an Eagle! Too bad this is not waggin. But I could still use it as a backup beater.

I don't get the impression that Eagle can summit much of anything...

Sweet seatz

Genuine zebra inserts.

Omg it's beautiful

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5247315993.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5247315993.html)

(http://images.craigslist.org/00w0w_dqLtkF9rmoI_600x450.jpg)

"Super Wagon"
(http://images.craigslist.org/00j0j_iHzs5cel5Q2_600x450.jpg)
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5251914082.html (http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5251914082.html)

Civik waghin with Integra motuur
(http://images.craigslist.org/00x0x_erk5MCdNviQ_600x450.jpg)
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5235827284.html (http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5235827284.html)

A Monster sticker too, of course.

Dark horse candidate: Pontiac Safari

Peak GMness malaise.

Quote from: Laconian on October 05, 2015, 10:12:37 AM
Dark horse candidate: Pontiac Safari

Peak GMness malaise.

Do you mean the Pontiac 6000 Safari?
(http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/pictures/1988_Pontiac_6000.jpg)


The Pontiac Bonneville Grand Safari?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/1976_Pontiac_Grand_Safari.jpg)


The Pontiac Grand LeMans Safari?
(http://onlytruecars.com/data_images/gallery/01/pontiac-grand-lemans-safari/pontiac-grand-lemans-safari-08.jpg)


Or the Pontiac Catalina Safari?
(http://www.pontiacsonline.com/ZAF%2076%20CATALINA%20SAFARI.jpg)

Apparently families were really into safaris back then. Wow.

You mean GMC Safari.



And Astro Vans are not terrible at all

Is this a scam? Or the result of the recent scandal?
http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5253234879.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5253234879.html)
I'll go fucking buy this thing


Well, it's a scam. That's a California number.

This is great. They're selling their Subaru Outback because they're moving to Australia... :lol:

http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5250579610.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5250579610.html) :rastaman:

And this is a nice looking 9-5 waggin for a nice price
http://athensga.craigslist.org/cto/5195258003.html (http://athensga.craigslist.org/cto/5195258003.html)

Sweet Uplander
http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5245582835.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5245582835.html)

Lesbowaggin
http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5253042678.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5253042678.html)

V6 Saturn. Yes.

http://greenville.craigslist.org/ctd/5221018514.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/ctd/5221018514.html)

At least it's not a Taurus
http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5216156560.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/5216156560.html)

V90. Why haven't I bought this yet?

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5216011948.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5216011948.html)

I think it's an inline-six, and I don't know much about that particular engine.

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 05, 2015, 05:49:46 PM
V90. Why haven't I bought this yet?

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5216011948.html (http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5216011948.html)

I think it's an inline-six, and I don't know much about that particular engine.

Yep, a 2.9 litre inline six.  Its a 24 valve DOHC interference design with a timing belt, so make sure that gets changed.

Quote from: Madman on October 05, 2015, 07:39:09 PM

Yep, a 2.9 litre inline six.  Its a 24 valve DOHC interference design with a timing belt, so make sure that gets changed.

Sounds like it needs a turbo. How is that bottom end? What kind of pistons?

Damn...


1983 Volvo 245 GL Turbo Diesel - $3000 (Charlotte)
(http://images.craigslist.org/01414_iJq3OoprRrs_600x450.jpg)
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5253274348.html (http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5253274348.html)

1996 Accord wagon with "only 110k miles and Race Suspension" is for sale here for only $6k

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 05, 2015, 08:39:55 PM
Damn...


1983 Volvo 245 GL Turbo Diesel - $3000 (Charlotte)
(http://images.craigslist.org/01414_iJq3OoprRrs_600x450.jpg)
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5253274348.html (http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5253274348.html)

That seems expensive.

Quote from: Raza  on December 16, 2015, 06:19:00 PM
That seems expensive.

It's not for sale anymore. They must hace scrapped it.