The Official C8 Corvette Thread...

Started by Gotta-Qik-C7, April 25, 2018, 07:28:09 PM

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Gotta-Qik-C7

#61
Quote from: r0tor on August 17, 2018, 06:20:21 PM
Corvette has the history and heritage of being a budget performance car... Not what you want to go after the $150k price range
The base car won't start that high!
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giant_mtb

Quote from: r0tor on August 17, 2018, 06:20:21 PM
Corvette has the history and heritage of being a budget performance car... Not what you want to go after the $150k price range

Ummm.  A Corvette starts at $55.5k.  It's not exactly "budget."  Chevy has the Camaro for the budget-minded enthusiast.  It's budget in the sense that it can match cars much more expensive than itself.  But to that end, I imagine a $150k Corvette would do the same to its more expensive counterparts.  :huh:

CaminoRacer

Quote from: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 06:40:45 PM
.  But to that end, I imagine a $150k Corvette would do the same to its more expensive counterparts.  :huh:

Exactly
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I'm just not sold....

Again for $150K... there is a library of serious competitors I imagine a lot of people would choose over this. And if it's at $150K with the LT1 it's going to get its lunch taken by pretty much everything

Even at $100K, 911 C2 is quick with pedigree; GT-R is quick; people who liked that the Z06 won't be happy with the drop in performance with the LT1

Acura tried to play this game with the new NSX and lost. GM already took a huge loss taking advice from auto journalists with the Alpha Caddys. If they do this they should definitely keep the FR Stingray and Grand Sport around as a hedge.

Camaro is no substitute either. Yes they generate the numbers but they are like armored trucks compared to a C7. C7 is the perfect bridge between the Camaro and C8.
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r0tor

Quote from: Galaxy on August 17, 2018, 06:21:41 PM
ZR-1 is $135k+

and I don't think it sells very well... and it barely out performs the lesser models
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r0tor

Quote from: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 06:40:45 PM
Ummm.  A Corvette starts at $55.5k.  It's not exactly "budget."  Chevy has the Camaro for the budget-minded enthusiast.  It's budget in the sense that it can match cars much more expensive than itself.  But to that end, I imagine a $150k Corvette would do the same to its more expensive counterparts.  :huh:

Every time it is compared to a 911 or other supercar, it most certainly is championed as the budget choice.

... also these days $55k isn't exactly super pricey in a world where 4wd pickup trucks are the best sellers and are easily in that neighborhood
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giant_mtb

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Quote from: r0tor on August 17, 2018, 08:57:50 PM
Every time it is compared to a 911 or other supercar, it most certainly is championed as the budget choice.

... also these days $55k isn't exactly super pricey in a world where 4wd pickup trucks are the best sellers and are easily in that neighborhood

Did you read what I said?  Apparently not.

Quote from: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 06:40:45 PM
It's budget in the sense that it can match cars much more expensive than itself.

And, no, people on a "budget" aren't spending $55k on a truck.  Unless they're taking 401k loans or leasing.  A double-cab Silvy with 4WD is 37.5.  I dunno what percentage of 'Vettes are leases, but I imagine a lot of them are actually purchased (whether in cash or through a loan).

Payman

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2018, 08:31:59 PM
I'm just not sold....

Again for $150K... there is a library of serious competitors I imagine a lot of people would choose over this. And if it's at $150K with the LT1 it's going to get its lunch taken by pretty much everything

Even at $100K, 911 C2 is quick with pedigree; GT-R is quick; people who liked that the Z06 won't be happy with the drop in performance with the LT1

Acura tried to play this game with the new NSX and lost. GM already took a huge loss taking advice from auto journalists with the Alpha Caddys. If they do this they should definitely keep the FR Stingray and Grand Sport around as a hedge.

Camaro is no substitute either. Yes they generate the numbers but they are like armored trucks compared to a C7. C7 is the perfect bridge between the Camaro and C8.

I do agree if they phase out the FE Corvette it will be a terrible mistake.

r0tor

Quote from: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 09:34:43 PM
Did you read what I said?  Apparently not.

And, no, people on a "budget" aren't spending $55k on a truck.  Unless they're taking 401k loans or leasing.  A double-cab Silvy with 4WD is 37.5.  I dunno what percentage of 'Vettes are leases, but I imagine a lot of them are actually purchased (whether in cash or through a loan).

At 150k the thing needs to be the best performing, best put together, and best looking inside and outside... Plus has the public image of being the best.  The competition is huge at this price.

The vette has a great performance image, but always qualified "for its price" and build quality given a pass because of its price.  Why would you try to enter this price range with budget minded baggage?

A clean slate is just better for this
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giant_mtb

Quote from: Rockraven on August 18, 2018, 04:15:47 AM
I do agree if they phase out the FE Corvette it will be a terrible mistake.

Agreed 100%.

giant_mtb

Quote from: r0tor on August 18, 2018, 06:47:14 AM
At 150k the thing needs to be the best performing, best put together, and best looking inside and outside... Plus has the public image of being the best.  The competition is huge at this price.

The vette has a great performance image, but always qualified "for its price" and build quality given a pass because of its price.  Why would you try to enter this price range with budget minded baggage?

A clean slate is just better for this


Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree to be honest. It's gonna be interesting to see where this thing lands itself.

GoCougs

Quote from: r0tor on August 18, 2018, 06:47:14 AM
At 150k the thing needs to be the best performing, best put together, and best looking inside and outside... Plus has the public image of being the best.  The competition is huge at this price.

The vette has a great performance image, but always qualified "for its price" and build quality given a pass because of its price.  Why would you try to enter this price range with budget minded baggage?

A clean slate is just better for this


If the product is good, none of that will likely matter - look at the resurgence of previous mediocre nameplates - Camaro, Sonata, Fusion, etc., the collapse of others - Taurus, Escort, Neon, etc., and the sustaining of even more - Accord, Camry, Civic, etc., and it all had to do with quality of product.

The Corvette is of this ilk - unlike previous Corvettes, there are no credible systemic critiques of the C7, and given GM's recent huge success with tech and performance the C8 is logically predicted to be an excellent if not world class product.

r0tor

No critiques... When was the last time it won a comparo (especially if price was taken out)
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Quote from: GoCougs on August 18, 2018, 09:43:20 AM
If the product is good, none of that will likely matter - look at the resurgence of previous mediocre nameplates - Camaro, Sonata, Fusion, etc., the collapse of others - Taurus, Escort, Neon, etc., and the sustaining of even more - Accord, Camry, Civic, etc., and it all had to do with quality of product.

The Corvette is of this ilk - unlike previous Corvettes, there are no credible systemic critiques of the C7, and given GM's recent huge success with tech and performance the C8 is logically predicted to be an excellent if not world class product.
At the $150K price point quality and performance are prerequisites. It's about all the irrational intangibles at that price point. I don't know that the V8 rumble and :neverforget: patriotism you can get in a $40K Camaro will be enough.
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CaminoRacer

Dude it's not even announced yet and you're discrediting its performance? GM has been killing the performance car game for 5 years, why would you think their halo wouldn't kill it even more?

SCCA CAM Challenge East happened last weekend and some GM engineers showed up and won their class in 4 cylinder Camaro. They know their stuff and know how the make cars go
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I am not discounting its performance. GM has a great track record in that arena. I'm questioning the business case of a $150K base Corvette. If this becomes a replacement for the Z06/ZR-1, makes all the sense in the world. If it replaces the C7 altogether, includinng the cheaper Stingrays that make up the bulk of its volume, hell no. C7 Stingray's position is one of its greatest assets for GM... it has no competition in the $50-60K range.
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giant_mtb

My buddy that works at GM texted me.  Said he has seen it without camo and physically worked on it himself and that I will cream my jeans when I see it. :lol:

Payman

I haven't been this excited over a reveal since the Miata some 4 years ago.


Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 06, 2018, 03:03:08 PM
My buddy that works at GM texted me.  Said he has seen it without camo and physically worked on it himself and that I will cream my jeans when I see it. :lol:
:cheers:

Quote from: Rockraven on September 06, 2018, 06:44:46 PM
I haven't been this excited over a reveal since the Miata some 4 years ago.
:rage: No Miata talk in Corvette Thread!!!!!  :lol:
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CaminoRacer

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Gotta-Qik-C7

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FoMoJo

Interesting read...https://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/concepts-prototypes-inspired-mid-engine-c8-corvette#1

10 Cars That Paved the Way for the Mid-Engined C8 Corvette

The should've listened to Zora sooner.
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Payman

I actually had a dream/nightmare last night that I pre-ordered ser #001, and the asshole at the dealership tore the side off it backing it off the transporter.


12,000 RPM

Murmurs of an exotic base price....

https://jalopnik.com/what-if-the-mid-engine-corvette-costs-170-000-1830306168

Hmmm, $170K on a GT3 Touring, McLaren, Lambo, Aston Martin...... or Chevrolet. Tough choice
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Payman

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 09, 2018, 06:24:36 AM
Murmurs of an exotic base price....

https://jalopnik.com/what-if-the-mid-engine-corvette-costs-170-000-1830306168

Hmmm, $170K on a GT3 Touring, McLaren, Lambo, Aston Martin...... or Chevrolet. Tough choice

Pure speculation. What McLaren or Lambo model comes in at the $170k price point? But yeah. if it ends up being that high it'll be a tough sell against the GT3, NSX and Audi R8.

68_427

In the US the 540c is under 200k, and possibly the 2wd huracan if you get it with no options
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 09, 2018, 06:24:36 AM
Murmurs of an exotic base price....

https://jalopnik.com/what-if-the-mid-engine-corvette-costs-170-000-1830306168

Hmmm, $170K on a GT3 Touring, McLaren, Lambo, Aston Martin...... or Chevrolet. Tough choice

Or $400k for a Ford!
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