Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 22, 2024, 09:56:47 AMEVs only need mining once vs. constant extraction for gasoline throughout the car's life. Plus, battery recycling is very good. CATL has achieved a recovery rate of 99.6% for nickel, cobalt and manganese, and 91% for lithium. And battery chemistries like LFP and sodium batteries reduce the demand for nickel and cobalt.

Yup. You don't drill for electricity then pump it into tankers and burn massive quantities of heavy fuel oil to bring it to terminals. And then refine it. Then put it into stinky diesel trucks to take it to the gas stations. 

I think eventually the grid will look different: more nukes, more wind, more solar, more storage.

Quote from: GoCougs on May 23, 2024, 09:13:04 AMShaping up to be as robust as windmill blade "recycling" (burying them):


WtP mostly now realize that EVs aren't any better for the environment than ICEVs - EVs just shift the pollution to different places/forms.

Okay, you have a picture of a completely unrelated thing. Where's the evidence of EV batteries being buried?

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 22, 2024, 11:50:41 AMWell there's been no reason to recycle at a large scale yet, it's not like there are unused batteries stacking up anywhere yet.

Looking at the recycling and scrap sales (/thefts) of things like copper and the precious metals in catalytic converters, it's clear that batteries will also have a robust recycling demand & supply chain.

Shaping up to be as robust as windmill blade "recycling" (burying them):



WtP mostly now realize that EVs aren't any better for the environment than ICEVs - EVs just shift the pollution to different places/forms.

Quote from: 565 on May 23, 2024, 06:25:47 AMLet me be the first and so far only person to congratulate you on your new purchase rental.

I hope your Tesla provides you with miles and miles of happy (electric)motoring as mine has.

Once you get used to an EV going back to your ICE vehicle feels a bit archaic.

Fixed it for you

Thanks. It's been super relaxing to drive.

I've tried more of the full self driving and it's got some issues. It changes lanes at odd times.  for example when I need to exit soon it will move a lane to the left. It will camp out in the left lane with a car behind it and no one to the right. I don't think it recognizes no turn on red signs either. It doesn't use turn signals in roundabouts

Everything else has been fantastic. Actually driving it is serene and relaxing.

The windshield hasn't flown off, and the battery hasn't exploded so reliability is 10/10 so far

Quote from: Rich on May 11, 2024, 04:19:42 PMPicked up the Tesla today (not mine, it belongs to Ally)

I really enjoyed driving it around today. I get one month of "free" "full" self driving. I gave it a whirl on one stretch and it did ok. Similar stress to sitting in the passenger seat with a new driver.

I'll just stick with the cruise control.

The auto wipers did much better than on the test drive.

Lady was nice and toasty and I was nice and cool.

It was so quiet and comfortable.

The button turn signals were nowhere near as annoying as I thought they'd be. I'm sure it'll suck in the roundabouts

No wheels or doors fell off, so far reliability 10/10.

Let me be the first and so far only person to congratulate you on your new purchase.

I hope your Tesla provides you with miles and miles of happy (electric)motoring as mine has.

Once you get used to an EV going back to your ICE vehicle feels a bit archaic.

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 22, 2024, 11:50:41 AMWell there's been no reason to recycle at a large scale yet, it's not like there are unused batteries stacking up anywhere yet.

Looking at the recycling and scrap sales (/thefts) of things like copper and the precious metals in catalytic converters, it's clear that batteries will also have a robust recycling demand & supply chain.

There is a decent amount of wrecked EVs by now and a market starting to reuse the batteries for home energy storage, which for a while is probably the best thing that can come of them.

Quote from: Laconian on May 22, 2024, 10:58:28 AMhttps://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1787501413137858617.html

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Quote from: r0tor on May 22, 2024, 10:51:33 AMTo my knowledge, thar recycling is at a table top level not at scale - and no real details from an environmental perspective on what appears to be a seriously nasty process.

Well there's been no reason to recycle at a large scale yet, it's not like there are unused batteries stacking up anywhere yet.

Looking at the recycling and scrap sales (/thefts) of things like copper and the precious metals in catalytic converters, it's clear that batteries will also have a robust recycling demand & supply chain.