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Title: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: Laconian on November 04, 2023, 11:40:25 AM
https://archive.ph/A6WIZ

An article in which we learn that Cruise's safety stats are pretty dismal - an intervention every 2.5 to 5 miles.
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: Morris Minor on November 04, 2023, 11:59:36 AM
Not getting past the looping captchas
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: ChrisV on November 06, 2023, 07:52:20 AM
Good. I'm an EV fan but I'm tired of EVs and AVs getting conflated. And I'm tired of programmers thinking driving is easy enough that they can program for enough different scenarios that fledgling AI can figure out the rest. Just arrogance.
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: Morris Minor on November 09, 2023, 06:20:40 AM
My guess is that GM will shut it down. Vogt got it to 80%, declared "good enough" and made the remote humans a permanent feature. All the while declaring it was Level 4.
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: Laconian on November 19, 2023, 07:33:02 PM
Cruise CEO resigned.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/19/cruise-co-founder-and-ceo-kyle-vogt-resigns/?guccounter=1
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: GoCougs on November 19, 2023, 09:57:57 PM
Hmmm. 10 years a it's still dangerous AF. Shocking to hear GM's owned the place for almost 8 years.
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 20, 2023, 02:25:06 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 19, 2023, 09:57:57 PMHmmm. 10 years a it's still dangerous AF. Shocking to hear GM's owned the place for almost 8 years.

Very much better than many many many human drivers.....
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: Morris Minor on November 20, 2023, 05:31:42 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 19, 2023, 09:57:57 PMHmmm. 10 years a it's still dangerous AF. Shocking to hear GM's owned the place for almost 8 years.
GM has incinerated a lot of cash in this: cash that it can ill-afford. My guess is GM will exit & close operations.

The shortage of autonomous systems engineering talent has been frustrating for job interviewers... very difficult to noodle out the tiny number of good 'uns from the pile of dross. Maybe there's some ex-Cruise talent that can now be usefully employed.
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: Laconian on November 22, 2023, 11:29:52 AM
https://streamable.com/zh7mni

Waymo vs Tesla FSD.

The Tesla blows through a stop sign at speed and nearly clips parked cars on multiple occasions.

I think the most impressive thing about this clip is the cognitive dissonance. It's really funny!
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: r0tor on November 22, 2023, 12:21:12 PM
BMW is offering level 3 driving in the fatherland in the 7 series on certain roads up to 37mph... Also allows to watch TV on the infotainment
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 23, 2023, 04:00:18 PM
Quote from: Laconian on November 22, 2023, 11:29:52 AMhttps://streamable.com/zh7mni

Waymo vs Tesla FSD.

The Tesla blows through a stop sign at speed and nearly clips parked cars on multiple occasions.

I think the most impressive thing about this clip is the cognitive dissonance. It's really funny!

I just don't understand why people think good mapping would not HELP the "really good AI". For example- that stop sign IS ON GOOGLE MAPS and the car would know to stop. Combine the two and it would help so so so much....

Dumb.
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: r0tor on November 24, 2023, 07:28:53 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 23, 2023, 04:00:18 PMI just don't understand why people think good mapping would not HELP the "really good AI". For example- that stop sign IS ON GOOGLE MAPS and the car would know to stop. Combine the two and it would help so so so much....

Dumb.


because as soon as something like road work o construction happens - the map is now screwed.

the concept is also completely not able to be scaled in any way as waymo is displaying.
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 24, 2023, 03:41:54 PM
Road work is never done on a whim, gubment and users could send an update immediately.
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: giant_mtb on November 25, 2023, 05:56:43 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 24, 2023, 03:41:54 PMRoad work is never done on a whim, gubment and users could send an update immediately.

lol do you live where major roadworks are a common semi-annual occurance? That would be a nightmare beyond what it already is.

Sucks enough already that the road commissions do nothing but lay cheap ass asphalt instead of properly paving with concrete...you think they're gonna keep tabs on updating every stop sign and merge lane? :wtf:
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 25, 2023, 05:59:12 AM
How does AI deal with traffic circles when most people can't even figure them out?
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: Morris Minor on November 25, 2023, 08:38:08 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 25, 2023, 05:59:12 AMHow does AI deal with traffic circles when most people can't even figure them out?
Supposedly it gets shown tens of thousands of examples of real-world roundabout situations where they actually ARE negotiated correctly. The results are pumped out to the inference computers in the cars.

What I want to know is how it deals with exceptions, like lane markings that are wrong, or a pedestrian rhat's been knocked into its path by the car alongside it.
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: Laconian on November 25, 2023, 12:14:13 PM
The long tail is very long and very deadly.

In all the Cruise brouhaha it came up that NHTSA's incident reporting form had some fatal flaws that prevented laypeople from submitting complaints. So we don't really even have data showing that these systems are actually safe.
Title: Re: Autonomous driving taking some hits
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 25, 2023, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 25, 2023, 05:56:43 AMlol do you live where major roadworks are a common semi-annual occurance? That would be a nightmare beyond what it already is.

Sucks enough already that the road commissions do nothing but lay cheap ass asphalt instead of properly paving with concrete...you think they're gonna keep tabs on updating every stop sign and merge lane? :wtf:

No, major roadwork on the interstate right next to home has been changing lanes and exit design practically weekly. But they announce changes in the media, it's not just random.

Even if a crew is going out to fill a pothole today, easy enough for a database to get updated on the fly.

But that all misses the point.

In the video example the car blew through a stop sign because it couldn't see it well. Those don't change. They're on the maps already.

Best of all worlds is a baseline of map and signs, which the AI can use to know what is expected but make decisions on what cameras and radar see.