Oh wow
(https://i.imgur.com/VcZ6FnG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kHaiYoG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NSPJzW7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PTHQMrC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zgJzcb7.jpg)
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a26692381/2020-hyundai-sonata-photos-info/
Holy shit. It's gorgeous. :mask: :rockon:
The design looks superb, nice interior and it looks and probably feels more premium/luxury than mainstream.
But why did Hyundai invest so much in a car whose niche is dying out? I thought mainstream sedans were on a death bed.
Lines are good. Not sure how I feel about the chrome strips that trail down the hood and around the headlamps. And is it just me, or do the tail lamps look like they came from a Civic?
Looks great but it got even bigger. No dice for me. Does make me excited for the next Elantra which should grow to be the perfect size. Rumor has it an N version is coming.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 06, 2019, 02:46:02 AM
But why did Hyundai invest so much in a car whose niche is dying out? I thought mainstream sedans were on a death bed.
It's still a big volume seller and with the Azera dead and Genesis as a thing it's the brand's flagship. They may move it a hair upmarket to cover its space and the gap left by the Azera.
Very good looking car. Only the Mazda 6 maybe looks better in this segment.
Chrome strips down the hood...? :confused:
I don't think it looks good. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Pretty standard fare, slowly morphing into the Mercedes shape with extra wrinkles.
Daaaaaamn.
I like droopy butts, but I tink the grille is still too big.
I would like to see the Kia version of this, since I usually prefer their offerings.
Since 2016 or so I have preferred Hyundai's versions for the most part. Sonata/Elantra look way better than the current Optima/Forte IMO.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 06, 2019, 12:05:00 PM
Since 2016 or so I have preferred Hyundai's versions for the most part. Sonata/Elantra look way better than the current Optima/Forte IMO.
I was a big fan of the Kia Tiger Nose look when it came out on the 3rd gen Optima. I still like it but they should have changed it up a bit more on the newest 4th generation I think. Kind of lazy design evolution.
Why you get the Optima instead of the Sonata? I'm assuming you found a good deal and just bit on it.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 06, 2019, 05:25:38 AM
It's still a big volume seller and with the Azera dead and Genesis as a thing it's the brand's flagship. They may move it a hair upmarket to cover its space and the gap left by the Azera.
Ah, I'd forgotten about the Azera, and how this car could take over its position on the market. :ohyeah:
Quote from: veeman on March 06, 2019, 12:52:00 PM
Why you get the Optima instead of the Sonata? I'm assuming you found a good deal and just bit on it.
I honestly cannot remember my train of thought when I decided to look at Optimas. I had just crashed the G and was in a mental fog. I knoew I consulted CR and it got good ratings there... but I didn't check recalls. If I had seen them I wouldn't have bought it. Should have at least checked out the Mazda 6 and Civic Turbo. Rushed the whole thing :facepalm:
In any case for what I could afford at the time I was limited to the 2011-2015s. I prefer the Optima to the Sonata in that year range. But for the current one my preferences switched. Wouldn't look at either before a 6 or Accord though.
This car is lower than the current one, and it's only an inch or so longer. Shorter rear overhang. Longer wheelbase.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 06, 2019, 12:58:15 PM
I honestly cannot remember my train of thought when I decided to look at Optimas. I had just crashed the G and was in a mental fog. I knoew I consulted CR and it got good ratings there... but I didn't check recalls. If I had seen them I wouldn't have bought it. Should have at least checked out the Mazda 6 and Civic Turbo. Rushed the whole thing :facepalm:
In any case for what I could afford at the time I was limited to the 2011-2015s. I prefer the Optima to the Sonata in that year range. But for the current one my preferences switched. Wouldn't look at either before a 6 or Accord though.
:ohyeah: That is beautifully honest.
Front half is wonderful ( maybe minus the chrome trim. ).
Rear... kinda....wha? Definitely not boring though. Nice interior.
Not surprised that it grew. No Azera anymore. Unless they do the Santa Fe thing they did before and make a Sonata "XL". ( tacky when done on a sedan IMO ).
It grew 2".
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 06, 2019, 12:58:15 PM
I honestly cannot remember my train of thought when I decided to look at Optimas. I had just crashed the G and was in a mental fog. I knoew I consulted CR and it got good ratings there... but I didn't check recalls. If I had seen them I wouldn't have bought it. Should have at least checked out the Mazda 6 and Civic Turbo. Rushed the whole thing :facepalm:
In any case for what I could afford at the time I was limited to the 2011-2015s. I prefer the Optima to the Sonata in that year range. But for the current one my preferences switched. Wouldn't look at either before a 6 or Accord though.
It was the lingering effects of the concussion :lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on March 06, 2019, 11:38:08 PM
It grew 2".
That is a normal size for a midsizer these days, but too much for me (and it seems most of the market).
Cars have just got too big. I did a weekend trip for 4 other people in my 1st Accord (93). We were all comfortable. The Elantra is roomier, more refined, more fuel efficient, faster and way cheaper after inflation. The Sonata as is doesn't add much to the Elantra in a practical way, and its growth only exacerbates the issue.
I find bigger cars (within reason) are better to drive and be driven around in in the US if you don't plan on driving too aggressively. Quieter, more smooth ride, and more room. Better crash protection. Not a huge trade off in fuel economy. Annual difference in fuel cost between a base 2019 Elantra and base 2019 Sonata is about $150. Course this doesn't take into account difference in initial cost of acquisition. Just my personal preference though.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 07, 2019, 07:44:47 AM
That is a normal size for a midsizer these days, but too much for me (and it seems most of the market).
Cars have just got too big. I did a weekend trip for 4 other people in my 1st Accord (93). We were all comfortable. The Elantra is roomier, more refined, more fuel efficient, faster and way cheaper after inflation. The Sonata as is doesn't add much to the Elantra in a practical way, and its growth only exacerbates the issue.
No, it's not!
2" (actually 1.7") is *negligable*. That's 0.1" longer than the Camry.
2" could easily be chalked up to longer bumper covers.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 07, 2019, 07:44:47 AM
That is a normal size for a midsizer these days, but too much for me (and it seems most of the market).
Cars have just got too big. I did a weekend trip for 4 other people in my 1st Accord (93). We were all comfortable. The Elantra is roomier, more refined, more fuel efficient, faster and way cheaper after inflation. The Sonata as is doesn't add much to the Elantra in a practical way, and its growth only exacerbates the issue.
My mom got a Cruze instead of a "mid-sizer" because the Cruze has the same leg room as a first gen Mazda 6. It's a bit narrower, but that's not a big deal. Middle seat is gonna suck no matter what, unless you're in a Hummer H1.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 06, 2019, 07:27:16 AM
I don't think it looks good. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
+1
In addition to the weird chrome bits on the front end, the shadow caused by the creases on the fenders/doors is very strange to me.
It's not off putting enough that I wouldn't purchase the car if it were otherwise what I was looking for, but the looks certainly aren't doing it any favors.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 07, 2019, 09:07:48 AM
No, it's not!
2" (actually 1.7") is *negligable*. That's 0.1" longer than the Camry.
2" could easily be chalked up to longer bumper covers.
I'm not saying it's a lot bigger than the current one. The current Malibu is even longer. I'm just saying it's needlessly big for most sedan buyers
Quote from: veeman on March 07, 2019, 08:47:01 AM
I find bigger cars (within reason) are better to drive and be driven around in in the US if you don't plan on driving too aggressively. Quieter, more smooth ride, and more room. Better crash protection. Not a huge trade off in fuel economy. Annual difference in fuel cost between a base 2019 Elantra and base 2019 Sonata is about $150. Course this doesn't take into account difference in initial cost of acquisition. Just my personal preference though.
The midsize segment is definitely where you get the best bang for the buck right now. A 2019 Accord for like 23K is a hell of a lot of car, for instance.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 07, 2019, 09:25:01 AM
My mom got a Cruze instead of a "mid-sizer" because the Cruze has the same leg room as a first gen Mazda 6. It's a bit narrower, but that's not a big deal. Middle seat is gonna suck no matter what, unless you're in a Hummer H1.
What middle seat in the H1?
Quote from: RomanChariot on March 07, 2019, 02:14:21 PM
What middle seat in the H1?
Exactly. It's not even a seat. Just a giant flat "bed" to nap on. So comfy.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 07, 2019, 02:24:17 PM
Exactly. It's not even a seat. Just a giant flat "bed" to nap on. So comfy.
They should have just turned it into a chaise lounger.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a26952218/2020-hyundai-sonata-design-prototype-drive/
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/hyundai/sonata/2020/2020-hyundai-sonata-first-look-review/
Positive impressions. 33MPG combined!!! But the new 8AT is lazy. Initial versions won't be any fun to drive. Supposedly a 2.5T coming in an N-Line, not a full on N which makes a lot more sense. Def curious to see what's up with the next Elantra; that is due soon.
I still don't know how I feel about the front styling, but aside from hating the steering wheel that interior looks very nice. The lackluster engines are unfortunate but I assume some more potent option is coming soon.
Not a bad looking car. It's quibbling, but there're just to many asymmetrical shapes, especially in the interior; most particularly the logo.
There are 2 front ends it seems. One is nice:
(https://8thsonata.com/uploads/default/original/1X/0297038086403c3455abc4a92e0e860124ed146e.jpeg)
the other is hideous:
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/sonata-05-1553612095.jpg)
I'm guessing the second one is the sport face. Hyundai's way of saying "do not buy the sport version you dummy"
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 28, 2019, 01:29:35 PM
There are 2 front ends it seems. One is nice:
(https://8thsonata.com/uploads/default/original/1X/0297038086403c3455abc4a92e0e860124ed146e.jpeg)
the other is hideous:
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/sonata-05-1553612095.jpg)
I'm guessing the second one is the sport face. Hyundai's way of saying "do not buy the sport version you dummy"
I thought the current engine options were their way of saying "do not buy the sport version" but Agree 100% that the styling goes from possibly handsome to botched nose-job pretty quick.
I think the first one is shot from a better angle, too. The sport photo shows you the grill from the front more, where you can see how much it resembles a whale shark. They probably all suffer from that, you just can't tell from the top photo.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 28, 2019, 04:57:47 PM
I think the first one is shot from a better angle, too. The sport photo shows you the grill from the front more, where you can see how much it resembles a whale shark. They probably all suffer from that, you just can't tell from the top photo.
I think the front plate also helps since it covers up part of the grill, making it look smaller.
Looks grea-.....oh, that grille. Dammit Hondye!