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Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: ifcar on July 05, 2005, 09:27:50 AM
Rankings of all tested small SUVs:

1. Forester
2. CRV
3. RAV4
4. Tucson
5. Escape Hybrid
6. Escape V6
7. Element
8. Xterra
9. Santa Fe
10. Outlander
11. Vue
12. Equinox
13. XL-7
14. Sorento
15. Freelander
16. Liberty V6
17. Liberty CDI
18. Aztek
19. Wrangler

Ratings of vehicles just tested:

CR-V EX:
Acceleration: 3/5 (0-60, 10.4)
Transmission: 5/5
Routine Handling: 4/5
Emergency Handling: 3/5
Braking: 4/5
Headlights: 3/5
Ride: 4/5
Noise: 3/5
Driving Position: 4/5
Front Seat: 4/5
Rear Seat: 4/5
Access: 4/5
Controls and Displays: 4/5
Fit and Finish: 4/5
Cargo area: 3/5
Fuel Economy: 3/5 (21 mpg)

Tucson GLS V6:
Acceleration: 3/5 (0-60, 10.1)
Transmission: 4/5
Routine Handling: 3/5
Emergency Handling: 3/5
Braking: 4/5
Headlights: 2/5
Ride: 4/5
Noise: 4/5
Driving Position: 4/5
Front Seat: 4/5
Rear Seat: 4/5
Access: 4/5
Controls and Displays: 5/5
Fit and Finish: 4/5
Cargo area: 3/5
Fuel Economy: 2/5 (18 mpg)

Escape Hybrid:
Acceleration: 3/5 (0-60, 10.7)
Transmission: 4/5
Routine Handling: 4/5
Emergency Handling: 3/5
Braking: 3/5
Headlights: 3/5
Ride: 3/5
Noise: 3/5
Driving Position: 4/5
Front Seat: 4/5
Rear Seat: 4/5
Access: 4/5
Controls and Displays: 4/5
Fit and Finish: 3/5
Cargo area: 3/5
Fuel Economy: 4/5 (26 mpg)

Xterra S:
Acceleration: 4/5 (0-60, 7.7)
Transmission: 5/5
Routine Handling: 3/5
Emergency Handling: 3/5
Braking: 4/5
Headlights: 3/5
Ride: 2/5
Noise: 4/5
Driving Position: 4/5
Front Seat: 4/5
Rear Seat: 4/5
Access: 3/5
Controls and Displays: 4/5
Fit and Finish: 4/5
Cargo area: 4/5
Fuel Economy: 1/5 (17 mpg)

Liberty CDI:
Acceleration: 2/5 (0-60, 12.4)
Transmission: 4/5
Routine Handling: 3/5
Emergency Handling: 2/5
Braking: 3/5
Headlights: 3/5
Ride: 3/5
Noise: 2/5
Driving Position: 4/5
Front Seat: 4/5
Rear Seat: 3/5
Access: 3/5
Controls and Displays: 4/5
Fit and Finish: 3/5
Cargo area: 3/5
Fuel Economy: 2/5 (18 mpg)

Wrangler Unlimited:
Acceleration: 3/5 (0-60, 10.3)
Transmission: 3/5
Routine Handling: 2/5
Emergency Handling: 2/5
Braking: 2/5
Headlights: 3/5
Ride: 2/5
Noise: 2/5
Driving Position: 2/5
Front Seat: 3/5
Rear Seat: 2/5
Access: 2/5
Controls and Displays: 3/5
Fit and Finish: 2/5
Cargo area: 3/5
Fuel Economy: 1/5 (14 mpg)
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: crv16 on July 05, 2005, 10:42:57 AM
I was kinda surprised how poorly the Jeep Liberty CDI rated.

"Engine sounds like a farm tractor"

Overall performance was pitiful, especially towing.  What's the point of picking this over a much cheaper and better performing Xterra?

If one doesn't tow or go off road, it seems one would be far better off with a CR-V.
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: Raghavan on July 05, 2005, 11:04:02 AM
Forester, CR-V, and RAV-4, my 3 favorite came in the top 3. :praise:
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: ifcar on July 05, 2005, 11:06:59 AM
QuoteForester, CR-V, and RAV-4, my 3 favorite came in the top 3. :praise:
Your favorites, all FWD.  <_<  
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: Raghavan on July 05, 2005, 11:14:21 AM
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QuoteForester, CR-V, and RAV-4, my 3 favorite came in the top 3. :praise:
Your favorites, all FWD.  <_<
the Forester is rear biased, and the others have 4wd, just fwd based. :rolleyes:  
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: ifcar on July 05, 2005, 11:17:56 AM
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QuoteForester, CR-V, and RAV-4, my 3 favorite came in the top 3. :praise:
Your favorites, all FWD.  <_<
the Forester is rear biased, and the others have 4wd, just fwd based. :rolleyes:
The CRV, for example, runs in FWD unless additional traction is needed. That's basically FWD (a setup you don't understand the merits and demerits of anyway).
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: Raghavan on July 05, 2005, 11:19:18 AM
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QuoteForester, CR-V, and RAV-4, my 3 favorite came in the top 3. :praise:
Your favorites, all FWD.  <_<
the Forester is rear biased, and the others have 4wd, just fwd based. :rolleyes:
The CRV, for example, runs in FWD unless additional traction is needed. That's basically FWD (a setup you don't understand the merits and demerits of anyway).
i understand the merits and demerits of FWD, i just refuse to reason with them. :lol:  
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: Secret Chimp on July 05, 2005, 02:09:11 PM
Geez, I didn't know the old AMC 4.0 was THAT awful on gas mileage.
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: TBR on July 05, 2005, 02:14:23 PM
QuoteGeez, I didn't know the old AMC 4.0 was THAT awful on gas mileage.
It really isn't, those CR guys just push their vehicles hard ;). Actually, apparantly it is, it is rated 14/18. Of course, the CDI is rated 21/26 and they didn't get even close to that.  
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: ifcar on July 05, 2005, 02:54:20 PM
CR's overall mileage is typically similar to EPA city mileage, with a few exceptions (most typically with more fuel-efficient cars, but there are examples in all types).
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: 93JC on July 05, 2005, 03:01:24 PM
QuoteGeez, I didn't know the old AMC 4.0 was THAT awful on gas mileage.
Gearing and aerodynamics has more to do with it than design.  :)
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: ifcar on July 05, 2005, 03:07:27 PM
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QuoteGeez, I didn't know the old AMC 4.0 was THAT awful on gas mileage.
Gearing and aerodynamics has more to do with it than design.  :)
What's the mileage of an 00 Cherokee with the 4.0?
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: Tom on July 05, 2005, 03:33:40 PM
There's a few oranges thrown in with the apples.
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: 93JC on July 05, 2005, 04:25:26 PM
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QuoteGeez, I didn't know the old AMC 4.0 was THAT awful on gas mileage.
Gearing and aerodynamics has more to do with it than design.  :)
What's the mileage of an 00 Cherokee with the 4.0?
Can't remember off the top of my head. Better than 14/18, that's for damned sure. My '93 was something like 16/24.
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: ifcar on July 05, 2005, 05:09:22 PM
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QuoteGeez, I didn't know the old AMC 4.0 was THAT awful on gas mileage.
Gearing and aerodynamics has more to do with it than design.  :)
What's the mileage of an 00 Cherokee with the 4.0?
Can't remember off the top of my head. Better than 14/18, that's for damned sure. My '93 was something like 16/24.
Looked it up. 16/20 for a 4.0 Cherokee 4WD automatic, which is better but still not great for a fairly small SUV.
Title: CR reviews small SUVs
Post by: 93JC on July 05, 2005, 05:17:31 PM
Of course. It's terrible. Like I said: gearing and aerodynamics.

Cherokee had exactly the same gearing, and only slightly better aerodynamics, hence the fuel economy is only slightly better.