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Title: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 09, 2021, 01:57:17 PM
Man it's been so long since I've been able to post about a new vehicle  :lol:

I bought a 2020 Ram 1500 Bighorn North Edition. Crew cab, V6. (And for those who care, equipment level 2 package, bed utility group, offroad group, and 3.55 axle).

It's not exactly how I would've spec'd it from the factory if I had the choice but it's pretty close and for how much of a discount I got for it because it's a leftover 2020 model, I'm not complaining.

I'm looking at getting some black wheels, probably gonna stay with 18" and enjoy the meaty tires.

(https://i.ibb.co/hWVct7t/FB-IMG-1615322848418.jpg)
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: shp4man on March 09, 2021, 01:59:51 PM
 :ohyeah:
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Post by: FoMoJo on March 09, 2021, 03:08:12 PM
Very nice. :ohyeah:

Is that a dark blue or just the sky reflecting off a shiny black?
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Post by: RomanChariot on March 09, 2021, 04:00:05 PM
Nice looking truck. I would stay with the stock size wheels. You'll have a smoother ride.
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Post by: Laconian on March 09, 2021, 04:08:23 PM
Cool! What's the towing capacity, out of curiosity?
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Post by: Speed_Racer on March 09, 2021, 04:42:55 PM
Truckspin! :rockon: Nice color choice
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Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 09, 2021, 08:00:50 PM
Nice color!!!!
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 09, 2021, 08:02:30 PM
Quote from: Laconian on March 09, 2021, 04:08:23 PM
Cool! What's the towing capacity, out of curiosity?

7410 lbs I think. But something tells me this V6 won't like that much trailer.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 09, 2021, 08:03:01 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on March 09, 2021, 03:08:12 PM
Very nice. :ohyeah:

Is that a dark blue or just the sky reflecting off a shiny black?

It's a darker blue, although I wish it was even darker personally
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 09, 2021, 08:54:41 PM
TruckGang

I like the paint color. Get some bronze wheels to go with it but keep em 18"
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: veeman on March 10, 2021, 04:33:25 AM
Congratulations!  I'd love a crew cab pickup but I have nothing to tow or haul  :lol:  Looks great!
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 10, 2021, 07:22:23 AM
Quote from: veeman on March 10, 2021, 04:33:25 AM
Congratulations!  I'd love a crew cab pickup but I have nothing to tow or haul  :lol:  Looks great!

Not like I have much to tow or haul either :lol:

I am gonna have to move around the country at least a couple of times with my motorcycle but this is gonna be a regular daily driver for me
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: mzziaz on March 10, 2021, 02:07:23 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 11, 2021, 08:09:46 AM
Update:

So I thought this truck would be pretty much bulletproof considering it's FCA's bread and butter. Apparently not. FCA gonn' FCA apparently.

I've been encountering a weird intermittent stuttering issue pretty much once or twice everyday after getting the truck home. It seems to be documented on the Ram forums to be a known issue, and the only solution (if you can call it that) seems to be flashing the PCM/TCM/DTCM for older builds and praying. So I had the local dealer do exactly that a couple of days ago. Made it a day before the issue happened again. Called the dealer again today, they said they're gonna do some research through their internal system and see if they can diagnose it.

Pretty fucking disheartening, considering I haven't even hit 500km with it yet.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: FoMoJo on March 11, 2021, 08:14:58 AM
That sucks.  Can you return it, or exchange?
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Payman on March 11, 2021, 02:51:22 PM
Quote from: SVT_Power on March 11, 2021, 08:09:46 AM
Update:

So I thought this truck would be pretty much bulletproof considering it's FCA's bread and butter. Apparently not. FCA gonn' FCA apparently.

I've been encountering a weird intermittent stuttering issue pretty much once or twice everyday after getting the truck home. It seems to be documented on the Ram forums to be a known issue, and the only solution (if you can call it that) seems to be flashing the PCM/TCM/DTCM for older builds and praying. So I had the local dealer do exactly that a couple of days ago. Made it a day before the issue happened again. Called the dealer again today, they said they're gonna do some research through their internal system and see if they can diagnose it.

Pretty fucking disheartening, considering I haven't even hit 500km with it yet.

Bring it back. INSIST on it. This is the beginning of a miserable ownership experience.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: FoMoJo on March 11, 2021, 03:05:18 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on March 11, 2021, 02:51:22 PM
Bring it back. INSIST on it. This is the beginning of a miserable ownership experience.
Yes.  He should take a few friends in uniform with him, the bigger the better.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Speed_Racer on March 11, 2021, 03:47:36 PM
At the very least, take it back and request a loaner, tell them to figure it out and call when they've 100% fixed it. None of the back and forth bandaid solutions.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 11, 2021, 06:26:45 PM
The problem is it only appears once or twice a day for a couple of seconds at a time. And if the techs can't reproduce it, they can't fix it is basically their stance here. Understandable from their end, but extremely frustrating from mine. I might suggest a OBD data logger route to exactly show them what's happening.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SJ_GTI on March 12, 2021, 06:23:13 AM
Quote from: SVT_Power on March 11, 2021, 06:26:45 PM
The problem is it only appears once or twice a day for a couple of seconds at a time. And if the techs can't reproduce it, they can't fix it is basically their stance here. Understandable from their end, but extremely frustrating from mine. I might suggest a OBD data logger route to exactly show them what's happening.

Its a brand new truck, I don't think it is at all understandable from their point of view. If they can't figure out how to fix it they should either give you a new one or give you your money back. If they can't fix it then it is basically a lemon.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Payman on March 12, 2021, 06:58:08 AM
I hope the dealer's not Spelmer, they have a terrible reputation around here.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 12, 2021, 07:19:21 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on March 12, 2021, 06:58:08 AM
I hope the dealer's not Spelmer, they have a terrible reputation around here.

Ha. The first ram I went to go look at was Spelmer. They immediately gave me a bad feeling because of how they were fudging the numbers to make it look like they were doing me a favor but it was pretty evident from the get go that they weren't. Then the joker of a salesman kept trying to pressure me into taking the deal even when I said I don't think it's the truck for me. And when I told them politely that I would like to work with them to order a 2021 since they're the local dealer, the fucking joker replied with "Can't. They don't exist"  :facepalm: :hammerhead:

Anyway I bought it from a Toronto dealer, but have been in touch with Belleville Dodge on the old hwy over the issues.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 12, 2021, 07:22:35 AM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 12, 2021, 06:23:13 AM
Its a brand new truck, I don't think it is at all understandable from their point of view. If they can't figure out how to fix it they should either give you a new one or give you your money back. If they can't fix it then it is basically a lemon.

It's not a matter of how are they gonna fix it, it's just they don't know what to fix because they (nor I) can reproduce the problem. And I obviously can't prove it that these things happened when I can't make them happen on demand.

With that said, I drove the truck around for a little while yesterday and really made sure to try to reproduce the problem (it generally happens under certain parameters, but just not always) and the truck didn't act up at all. So maybe, just maybe flashing the modules did the trick.

I know this is a very drastic move, but I've also considered just trading the fucking thing in for a F150. With the 30% off sticker I got, the trade in value should be pretty damn close to what I paid for it. And since trade in value is pre-tax, the tax I paid on the truck will be saved as well.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SJ_GTI on March 12, 2021, 07:48:32 AM
Quote from: SVT_Power on March 12, 2021, 07:22:35 AM
I know this is a very drastic move, but I've also considered just trading the fucking thing in for a F150. With the 30% off sticker I got, the trade in value should be pretty damn close to what I paid for it. And since trade in value is pre-tax, the tax I paid on the truck will be saved as well.

I don't think that would be too drastic considering the circumstances, particularly if the trade in offer is anywhere near what you paid.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: shp4man on March 12, 2021, 08:41:48 AM
Some customers get fixated on some little perceived issue with a new vehicle. Happens all the time, I've dealt with many.
The computer that runs the powertrain needs to learn how you drive and how to adjust idle speed and trans shifting.
Give it a while.
Fords aren't perfect either. No manufacturers are perfect .
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: MX793 on March 12, 2021, 08:42:56 AM
Quote from: SVT_Power on March 12, 2021, 07:22:35 AM
It's not a matter of how are they gonna fix it, it's just they don't know what to fix because they (nor I) can reproduce the problem. And I obviously can't prove it that these things happened when I can't make them happen on demand.

With that said, I drove the truck around for a little while yesterday and really made sure to try to reproduce the problem (it generally happens under certain parameters, but just not always) and the truck didn't act up at all. So maybe, just maybe flashing the modules did the trick.

I know this is a very drastic move, but I've also considered just trading the fucking thing in for a F150. With the 30% off sticker I got, the trade in value should be pretty damn close to what I paid for it. And since trade in value is pre-tax, the tax I paid on the truck will be saved as well.

Was just about to say "shoulda bought a Ford".  Although the latest F150s apparent have no corrosion protection on their rear axles.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Payman on March 12, 2021, 09:23:29 AM
My brother-in-law's brother bought a Ford F-350, paid over $80K for it. He bought a fiberglass cap for it, and couldn't get it to line up properly. One side would be straight but the other side way off and on an angle, and one corner higher than the other. He thought the cap was poorly made, but he discovered it was actually the truck bed that was all out of whack. I don't know how it all turned out, but he was livid at the time.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Payman on March 12, 2021, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: shp4man on March 12, 2021, 08:41:48 AM
Some customers get fixated on some little perceived issue with a new vehicle. Happens all the time, I've dealt with many.
The computer that runs the powertrain needs to learn how you drive and how to adjust idle speed and trans shifting.
Give it a while.
Fords aren't perfect either. No manufacturers are perfect .


Interesting, and I hope that's the case for Eddie, but why wouldn't the idiot dealer guys mention that to him? If true, this isn't common knowledge.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Payman on March 12, 2021, 09:27:24 AM
Eddie, if you do look at a Ford, have a good eyeball at the aluminum body lining up everywhere.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: shp4man on March 12, 2021, 09:40:36 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on March 12, 2021, 09:26:15 AM
Interesting, and I hope that's the case for Eddie, but why wouldn't the idiot dealer guys mention that to him? If true, this isn't common knowledge.

It's called "adaptive strategy". The ECM records the way a person drives and adapts to that style.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Payman on March 12, 2021, 10:13:44 AM
Quote from: shp4man on March 12, 2021, 09:40:36 AM
It's called "adaptive strategy". The ECM records the way a person drives and adapts to that style.

That doesn't make sense. If a guy buys a 'Vette and granny-drives it for the first few months to break it in, is he not going to get 100% from the car when he goes to the track?
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: shp4man on March 12, 2021, 10:20:36 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on March 12, 2021, 10:13:44 AM
That doesn't make sense. If a guy buys a 'Vette and granny-drives it for the first few months to break it in, is he not going to get 100% from the car when he goes to the track?


I would think that vehicle is programmed towards performance more than some others. But ya, probably. Some performance cars have settings for it, as you know.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: MX793 on March 12, 2021, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: shp4man on March 12, 2021, 08:41:48 AM
Some customers get fixated on some little perceived issue with a new vehicle. Happens all the time, I've dealt with many.
The computer that runs the powertrain needs to learn how you drive and how to adjust idle speed and trans shifting.
Give it a while.
Fords aren't perfect either. No manufacturers are perfect .


Given that it's pretty widely documented by owners who report that it doesn't just go away on its own, it probably isn't the adaptive ECU.  Though adaptive ECU can lead to some interesting behavior, particularly as it pertains to transmission shift logic.  I know a co-worker wasn't happy with the shift quality on his new Ranger out of the box, but it sorted itself out after a few hundred miles.  I'm not aware of this causing engine stutter, misfires, etc.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Laconian on March 12, 2021, 10:33:53 AM
Quote from: shp4man on March 12, 2021, 09:40:36 AM
It's called "adaptive strategy". The ECM records the way a person drives and adapts to that style.

I really doubt that flashing warning lights is part of the adaptive strategy logic.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: shp4man on March 12, 2021, 10:38:11 AM
Quote from: Laconian on March 12, 2021, 10:33:53 AM
I really doubt that flashing warning lights is part of the adaptive strategy logic.

"Flashing" an automotive electronic module is the same as "reprogramming".
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Laconian on March 12, 2021, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: shp4man on March 12, 2021, 10:38:11 AM
"Flashing" an automotive electronic module is the same as "reprogramming".

Non sequiter! "Blinking warning lights" then. ;)

The car is most certainly not reflashing its EEPROM while it's driving.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: shp4man on March 12, 2021, 10:52:17 AM
Quote from: SVT_Power on March 11, 2021, 08:09:46 AM
Update:

So I thought this truck would be pretty much bulletproof considering it's FCA's bread and butter. Apparently not. FCA gonn' FCA apparently.

I've been encountering a weird intermittent stuttering issue pretty much once or twice everyday after getting the truck home. It seems to be documented on the Ram forums to be a known issue, and the only solution (if you can call it that) seems to be flashing the PCM/TCM/DTCM for older builds and praying. So I had the local dealer do exactly that a couple of days ago. Made it a day before the issue happened again. Called the dealer again today, they said they're gonna do some research through their internal system and see if they can diagnose it.

Pretty fucking disheartening, considering I haven't even hit 500km with it yet.

He was talking about flashing the PCM.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Laconian on March 12, 2021, 11:02:53 AM
God dammit, reading comprehension failure, sorry. I thought it was flashing warning lights while it was stuttering.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 12, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
Just reached out to a couple of local Ford dealers and had them give me a number on the truck as a trade in.

As expected, it's pretty damn close to what I paid. Gonna have to sit down and think real hard about this one. I know the saying is devil you know beats the devil you don't, but this is just not the start to a new vehicle that I would've liked. And I know the new rams are supposedly pretty reliable, but this is already making me fear FCA.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: r0tor on March 13, 2021, 08:11:25 AM
Ram is a better truck
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 13, 2021, 09:29:46 AM
Quote from: r0tor on March 13, 2021, 08:11:25 AM
Ram is a better truck

I think so as well (thus I bought one :lol:)

Even after the 2021 update for the F150, the ram still rides better and has a better interior. I think those two are among the most important categories for me in this segment.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 13, 2021, 09:32:02 AM
So I've now had 2 consecutive days of no hiccups. I'm not 100% convinced it's completely gone but obviously I can't prove something that's not happening right now.

I think my plan here might be try to get the original dealer that sold me the truck to throw in an extended warranty for some peace of mind. Gonna have a phone call with them this afternoon, so we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 13, 2021, 10:15:01 AM
Rams (and Dodges) have never been "the better truck." They've been the easier to buy truck, and occasionally they've had editions that have been the most powerful or the highest capacity trucks, but they've never been; cooking grade normal truck to normal truck: the longest lasting or the most reliable trucks.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: shp4man on March 13, 2021, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 13, 2021, 10:15:01 AM
Rams (and Dodges) have never been "the better truck." They've been the easier to buy truck, and occasionally they've had editions that have been the most powerful or the highest capacity trucks, but they've never been; cooking grade normal truck to normal truck: the longest lasting or the most reliable trucks.

And now, you've made a statement which is debated endlessly about pickups. They all have strengths and weaknesses and these change as they are redesigned over the years.
I personally don't know the new trucks very well except Fords.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: MX793 on March 13, 2021, 12:52:55 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 13, 2021, 10:15:01 AM
Rams (and Dodges) have never been "the better truck." They've been the easier to buy truck, and occasionally they've had editions that have been the most powerful or the highest capacity trucks, but they've never been; cooking grade normal truck to normal truck: the longest lasting or the most reliable trucks.

Yeah, I've known too many people, and heard too many stories (friends of friends, etc) of Rams and Dodges with serious problems going back over 2 decades, and still hearing stories of issues with the latest ones, for me to consider them segment leaders.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: r0tor on March 13, 2021, 04:43:44 PM
Quote from: SVT_Power on March 13, 2021, 09:32:02 AM
So I've now had 2 consecutive days of no hiccups. I'm not 100% convinced it's completely gone but obviously I can't prove something that's not happening right now.

I think my plan here might be try to get the original dealer that sold me the truck to throw in an extended warranty for some peace of mind. Gonna have a phone call with them this afternoon, so we'll see what happens.

You have a warranty... Just chill, it will work itself out
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: FoMoJo on March 13, 2021, 04:48:46 PM
Quote from: r0tor on March 13, 2021, 04:43:44 PM
You have a warranty... Just chill, it will work itself out
Not if it conks in the middle of a blizzard in Saskatchewan, or whatever hell hole they send him to.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 13, 2021, 05:35:20 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 13, 2021, 10:15:01 AM
Rams (and Dodges) have never been "the better truck." They've been the easier to buy truck, and occasionally they've had editions that have been the most powerful or the highest capacity trucks, but they've never been; cooking grade normal truck to normal truck: the longest lasting or the most reliable trucks.

I don't know much about the GM products but between the F150 and the Ram at the moment, I think F150 is the better "truck" truck. But the Ram is the better everyday truck. Where the F150 really blows the Ram out of the water is engine choices - the F150 offers 5 engines right now, while the Ram only offers 3 (and arguably the V6 is barely adequate so if you wanted to actually use the Ram as a truck, you're gonna have to spring for either the Hemi or the Ecodiesel).
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 13, 2021, 05:39:51 PM
A little update:

Talked to the sales guy who sold me the truck. I already reached out to him earlier in the week, but talked to him on the phone today. Told him I already took it to a dealer and they flashed the modules according to TSBs but that I still encountered the issue. He asked me to send him a copy of the work order that was done so that he could take it to the shop at his dealership.

But the big thing was at the end of the conversation, without me bringing it up, he said he wants to help me sort this all out even if it means "bringing the truck back for another one"

The only problem...the dealership he works at is like most dealers in the province - they have VERY few Ram 1500's on the lot and with FCA's production issues right now, they barely have any new stock trickling in.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 13, 2021, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: SVT_Power on March 13, 2021, 05:35:20 PM
I don't know much about the GM products but between the F150 and the Ram at the moment, I think F150 is the better "truck" truck. But the Ram is the better everyday truck. Where the F150 really blows the Ram out of the water is engine choices - the F150 offers 5 engines right now, while the Ram only offers 3 (and arguably the V6 is barely adequate so if you wanted to actually use the Ram as a truck, you're gonna have to spring for either the Hemi or the Ecodiesel).

I mean, the Rams are really nice; and when I say that, realize its a very competitive segment. Rams currently have nicer interiors and ride better, and if that's the deciding factor, thats what counts.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: r0tor on March 13, 2021, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on March 13, 2021, 04:48:46 PM
Not if it conks in the middle of a blizzard in Saskatchewan, or whatever hell hole they send him to.

I assume they also give you roadside assistance.

But really, a small issue is not uncommon with any new car.  It's a little extreme to ditch something because of 1 issue.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: r0tor on March 13, 2021, 06:09:03 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 13, 2021, 05:59:34 PM
I mean, the Rams are really nice; and when I say that, realize its a very competitive segment. Rams currently have nicer interiors and ride better, and if that's the deciding factor, thats what counts.

I wasn't aware that new trucks were used for anything other than soccer kid transport appliances.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 13, 2021, 06:31:43 PM
Quote from: r0tor on March 13, 2021, 06:03:14 PM
I assume they also give you roadside assistance.

But really, a small issue is not uncommon with any new car.  It's a little extreme to ditch something because of 1 issue.

Usually, but if that issue is the engine the first week, that's a serious issue.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 13, 2021, 07:33:59 PM
Quote from: r0tor on March 13, 2021, 06:09:03 PM
I wasn't aware that new trucks were used for anything other than soccer kid transport appliances.

Sometimes its hockey.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: cawimmer430 on March 16, 2021, 03:02:25 AM
Congrats!  :cheers:
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 18, 2021, 09:18:10 AM
Saga continues. Went to the dealer again yesterday, service manager came on a ride with me to see if we could both experience the issue. The truck didn't do the severe stuttering while we were on the drive (the fucking thing did it on the way to the shop, and on the way home, but not during  :rage:), but it did exhibit it lightly and the service manager confirmed he felt/noticed it as well. So now at least it's not just a customer saying there's an issue.

So definitely some progress, but not sure where it goes from here. The service manager said he's gonna put his senior tech on it to try to figure it out. But he also said because the truck isn't throwing any codes (we're both also confused by that fact), he's not sure if they could even reach out to the engineers over this issue.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: FoMoJo on March 18, 2021, 09:20:17 AM
They will string you along.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: RomanChariot on March 18, 2021, 09:50:45 AM
Quote from: SVT_Power on March 18, 2021, 09:18:10 AM
Saga continues. Went to the dealer again yesterday, service manager came on a ride with me to see if we could both experience the issue. The truck didn't do the severe stuttering while we were on the drive (the fucking thing did it on the way to the shop, and on the way home, but not during  :rage:), but it did exhibit it lightly and the service manager confirmed he felt/noticed it as well. So now at least it's not just a customer saying there's an issue.

So definitely some progress, but not sure where it goes from here. The service manager said he's gonna put his senior tech on it to try to figure it out. But he also said because the truck isn't throwing any codes (we're both also confused by that fact), he's not sure if they could even reach out to the engineers over this issue.

The Suburban I used to own developed a misfire that went almost overnight from mildly annoying to undriveable. It took a shop 3 days to fix it and they replaced a bunch of stuff that didn't fix it along the way. Even with a severe misfire problem it never threw a code. Granted it was a 1999 Suburban but it was still OBDII.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: MX793 on March 18, 2021, 09:57:38 AM
I had a friend with a 500 Abarth that had chronic intermittent transmission issues where the car would be locked out of all but 3rd and 4th gear.  Of course, every time they went to the dealer, the problem could not be replicated.  Even took video of it when it was happening, but not enough for the dealer to do anything.  This went on until the warranty expired.  Then the shift linkage catastrophically failed.  New linkage apparently fixed it, but the car was sold not too long after.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: shp4man on March 18, 2021, 10:00:03 AM
Ask them if anybody checked the mode 6 data for misfires. If they say "what's that?" Go to another dealership.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 18, 2021, 02:00:31 PM
Quote from: shp4man on March 18, 2021, 10:00:03 AM
Ask them if anybody checked the mode 6 data for misfires. If they say "what's that?" Go to another dealership.

I had never heard of this (not surprisingly), but so a scanner can pick up previous issues on mode 6 that didn't trigger a CEL?
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Laconian on March 18, 2021, 02:59:21 PM
Quote from: shp4man on March 18, 2021, 10:00:03 AM
Ask them if anybody checked the mode 6 data for misfires. If they say "what's that?" Go to another dealership.

What's that?
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 18, 2021, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: Laconian on March 18, 2021, 02:59:21 PM
What's that?

Diagnostic mode.

There are thresholds for malfunctions that have to be met before a CEL is on or a normal trouble code is set. But, lots of things can be just under that threshold and still effect the engine performance.

Mode 6 lets you run a diagnostic and then see those numbers in list form- whether they're good or bad or whatever.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: r0tor on March 18, 2021, 04:41:26 PM
You should definitely see a misfire count per cylinder in mode 6
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 20, 2021, 08:52:30 AM
Quote from: shp4man on March 18, 2021, 10:00:03 AM
Ask them if anybody checked the mode 6 data for misfires. If they say "what's that?" Go to another dealership.

The service manager literally replied to my email where I mentioned if they checked with mode 6, "I'm not sure what mode 6 is referencing. Do you have a link or narrative you can share."  :mask: So I told him my understanding of mode 6 and the theory of maybe it's misfiring but for whatever reason it's not triggering the parameters for a CEL.

I'm gonna assume his techs aren't as clueless, but who knows...
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 23, 2021, 04:24:59 PM
Quote from: shp4man on March 12, 2021, 08:41:48 AM
Some customers get fixated on some little perceived issue with a new vehicle. Happens all the time, I've dealt with many.
The computer that runs the powertrain needs to learn how you drive and how to adjust idle speed and trans shifting.
Give it a while.
Fords aren't perfect either. No manufacturers are perfect .


Well the service manager and the tech apparently had a call with the engineers about my truck and this is basically what the engineers said.

The service manager gave me some long spiel about how the hybrid system is very powerful and it's brand new and it's still being figured out etc etc. But the long and short of it was that the engineers said the car doesn't have enough kms on it for the computers to learn my habits and that it'll fix itself over time. The engineers said the situation I described is making it sound like the hybrid system is kicking in at the same time that the transmission is trying to figure out which gear to be in (medium speed, high gear, low rpm + load created by pedal input that's not quite enough to immediately warrant a downshift). They seemed to have described it as a quirk but operating within designed parameters, and that it'd go away in time.

At this point the service manager said just try to enjoy the truck until at least the first oil change (I'm at around 1000 miles now, I'm gonna do a change at home soon from having read some alarming things about people finding metal bits in their oil change even after the initial 3000 miles). I feel like they're just trying to buy time and hoping the problem will go away by itself, but either way I told the service manager I'll try to drive it for a few more thousand kms before I reengage with them if I need to.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 23, 2021, 07:06:24 PM
TIL new RAMs have a tiny hybrid motor
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Laconian on March 23, 2021, 07:09:05 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 23, 2021, 07:06:24 PM
TIL new RAMs have a tiny hybrid motor

Ha! After years of rolling coal in the faces of hybrid drivers, RAM owners are getting force-feminized!
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 23, 2021, 07:32:37 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 23, 2021, 07:06:24 PM
TIL new RAMs have a tiny hybrid motor

Standard on the V6, optional on the Hemi
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 23, 2021, 07:33:02 PM
Quote from: Laconian on March 23, 2021, 07:09:05 PM
Ha! After years of rolling coal in the faces of hybrid drivers, RAM owners are getting force-feminized!

Wish I could afford a diesel truck  :lol:
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: 68_427 on April 03, 2021, 02:33:11 PM
So I'm obviously 3 pages late, but the RAM would be my pick over all the other fullsize trucks.  The others just don't compare to the comfort in the RAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2uE_W8ucg0
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on June 01, 2021, 08:26:20 PM
Finally used the truck for the main reason I bought a truck for (even though I'm realistically only going to use it for this once or twice a year at most):

(https://i.imgur.com/1sZyUtP.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cXba6H8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/acX9zTa.png)
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Speed_Racer on June 02, 2021, 09:18:26 AM
Good looking truck! How difficult did you find loading the bike w/ ramps? I did it once and swapped my ramp for a hitch carrier.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 02, 2021, 09:21:09 AM
Quote from: Speed_Racer on June 02, 2021, 09:18:26 AM
Good looking truck! How difficult did you find loading the bike w/ ramps? I did it once and swapped my ramp for a hitch carrier.

I was always very happy that my El Camino is lowered whenever I put my old bike in the back. A normal size pickup would have been twice the effort.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Speed_Racer on June 02, 2021, 10:54:42 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 02, 2021, 09:21:09 AM
I was always very happy that my El Camino is lowered whenever I put my old bike in the back. A normal size pickup would have been twice the effort.

It's scary when you're solo! I don't know how people deal with lifted trucks
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on June 02, 2021, 01:43:40 PM
I found loading it wasn't bad. Had a buddy standing on the other side just to make sure I didn't lose it that way, but didn't end up needing his help.

Unloading was definitely scarier. I initially started unloading by myself (I was taking it to a shop to get new tires put on), then found myself in a precarious position before one of the shop guys happened to peek out and he gave me a hand by grabbing the tail and keep it straight. I'm honestly not sure if I could've done it by myself.

I didn't realize until today I could've just gotten a hitch carrier for like $50 more than the ramps, I'm thinking maybe I should try to return the ramps and get the carrier. Definitely would be way more manageable as a one person job.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on June 02, 2021, 01:44:18 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 02, 2021, 09:21:09 AM
I was always very happy that my El Camino is lowered whenever I put my old bike in the back. A normal size pickup would have been twice the effort.

Quote from: Speed_Racer on June 02, 2021, 10:54:42 AM
It's scary when you're solo! I don't know how people deal with lifted trucks

I definitely could've done without even the factory 1" lift this truck has :lol:
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: JWC on June 02, 2021, 02:23:11 PM
So....there is a reason for the Carolina Squat trucks.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Laconian on June 02, 2021, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: JWC on June 02, 2021, 02:23:11 PM
So....there is a reason for the Carolina Squat trucks.

Supply shortage on matching suspension parts?
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Speed_Racer on June 02, 2021, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: SVT_Power on June 02, 2021, 01:43:40 PM
I didn't realize until today I could've just gotten a hitch carrier for like $50 more than the ramps, I'm thinking maybe I should try to return the ramps and get the carrier. Definitely would be way more manageable as a one person job.

I like it a lot better - easier to use the engine/clutch to assist getting it on and off too. Just grab a hitch clamp, they tend to wobble.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: cawimmer430 on June 04, 2021, 06:07:01 AM
Congrats!  :cheers:
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Submariner on June 05, 2021, 02:05:31 PM
Nice looking rig.  When are you going to slam the rear suspension?
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 21, 2022, 10:42:32 AM
So been just over a year since I got the truck. I've put on almost exactly 20,000 km now (12.5k miles). I did over 3500km/2000miles going out to the east coast and back last summer and it was a great road trip vehicle. I put my SV in the back along with my belongs in the rear of the cab and drove out to Saskatchewan during the fall where I am for now.

Things I can think of:

- The weird stuttering issue seems to be almost gone. It had been months since it happened, but I did get a little moment of it last month at some point.
- I've averaged 12.5L/100km or 18.8 mpg over lifetime so far according to fuelly. Before the winter, I was averaging probably right around 20 mpg.
- There has been a couple of times I'm getting a scratchy sound out of one of the speakers, I was going to take it in but I haven't been able to replicate it consistently. So it'll be something I keep in mind before the warranty runs out

With that all said, I have kind of wished I got the V8 because V8 :lol: . I could've gotten a V8 if I gave up the crew cab for the extended cab, which also would've gotten me the longer bed which would've allowed me to close the tailgate with the bike in the back. But considering I was able to stuff the rear of the cab with all of my stuff while moving, I am glad I had that extra space.

All in all, she's been good to me so far. I still very much enjoy driving it, especially considering the road conditions out here (holy f'ing potholes batman, and I thought Ontario had some bad ones). If I wasn't in the circumstances I am in (needing to move bunch of my stuff around the country along with a motorcycle) would I still buy a truck? Probably not. But it's convenient for my needs right now and it's certainly not terrible to drive.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Speed_Racer on March 21, 2022, 02:32:43 PM
19/20 mpg average ain't bad for what it is!
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on March 21, 2022, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: Speed_Racer on March 21, 2022, 02:32:43 PM
19/20 mpg average ain't bad for what it is!

That's the only upside to getting the V6  :lol:

I could be getting slightly better even still if I didn't have the factory 1" lift, bigger wheels, and the optional 3.55 rear end (vs 3.21). But I can't complain too much.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 24, 2022, 08:00:49 AM
Yeah that's better then my Odyssey gets driving around town...
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 24, 2022, 08:11:09 AM
Jeep gets like 8 MPG right now because it never warms up.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on November 17, 2022, 05:00:57 PM
The truck originally came with Falken Wildpeak AT3Wa's on 18's, I sold those after getting a set of second hand 20" wheels with Bridgestone Duelers on them, and just today got Falken Wildpeak AT3W's put on.

I haven't had snow/winter-rated tires in 5 years now thanks to the military putting the Sorento winters into storage when I enrolled.

This fucking province doesn't believe in road salt (and they barely plow to begin with) so the roads have already turned into patches of ice with some dirt/gravel on them and will stay that way until probably April.

The Falkens couldn't do much on ice, but I tried driving through some snow and they were excellent.

Bonus of the tire purchase - even though my spare is still on the original 18" wheel, now I have a quasi-matching spare since it's on basically the same tire :lol:
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: FoMoJo on November 17, 2022, 05:11:42 PM
Which Province are you in?
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: SVT_Power on November 17, 2022, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 17, 2022, 05:11:42 PM
Which Province are you in?

Suckskatchewan
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: giant_mtb on November 17, 2022, 05:58:20 PM
Those are great tires and they look awesome.
Title: Re: My new truck!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on May 01, 2023, 12:26:54 PM
Wanna race against TUNDRA?