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Auto Talk => Jalopies => Topic started by: cawimmer430 on January 11, 2013, 08:32:44 AM

Poll
Question: Which one 's'il vous plait'?
Option 1: Citroen XM votes: 15
Option 2: Peugeot 605 votes: 2
Option 3: Renault Safrane votes: 0
Option 4: Give me a Plymouth Volare, no wait, a rusty Dodge Aspen. At least it's RWD!!! votes: 1
Title: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: cawimmer430 on January 11, 2013, 08:32:44 AM
Citroen XM

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9429/40115884.jpg)


Peugeot 605

(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/941/26296211.jpg)


Renault Safrane

(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3944/18461734.jpg)
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: cawimmer430 on January 11, 2013, 08:33:19 AM
My vote went to the Citroen XM. It still looks good today, although I must confess that when I see a Renault Safrane I also turn my head to follow it.
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: Raza on January 11, 2013, 08:34:22 AM
Citroen.  Easily the best looker of the bunch and no doubt it has fantastic ride quality. 
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: Madman on January 11, 2013, 09:07:02 AM
I remember lusting after both the 605 and XM in 1991 when Peugeot Motors of America announced they would be selling both cars on these shores for the 1993 model year.  PMA actually created a second company, Citroen Cars USA and Peugeot's New Jersey office received a shipment of Citroen dealer signs in anticipation of the XM reaching US showrooms.

"One day", I thought.  "One day I'll have one of those!"

Then, one morning in August, 1991, a fax sent from Paris informed PMA that all exports to North America would cease.

Bastards!  :lockedup:


Maybe PSA Peugeot-Citroen wouldn't be in deep shit today if it had a presence in the resurgent and buoyant North American market.  Serves them right for screwing us!
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: 2o6 on January 11, 2013, 09:41:20 AM
XM. Looked fantastic in Ronin.
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: Laconian on January 11, 2013, 11:52:50 AM
Yes! Nice poll. XM every day of the week. They are still special, IMO, representing final evolution of the folded paper designs started by Giugiaro. The Safranes that are still loping around are like the Luminas of France.
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 11, 2013, 11:54:53 AM
XM for sure.
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on January 11, 2013, 01:16:03 PM
Yeah, the Citroen is le roi here.
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: Colin on January 11, 2013, 01:22:20 PM
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on January 11, 2013, 01:16:03 PM
Yeah, the Citroen is le roi here.
Tout a fait!

The Peugeot suffered as it looked like a slightly enlarged 405 (which was the better looking car). Of course were beaten in the looks department by the third car with a similar profile, the Alfa 164.

The Safrane was a major disappointment - though the BiTurbo model might have been fun to drive, though not to own. 
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: shp4man on January 11, 2013, 01:37:19 PM
I had to vote Volare. You just can't get parts for those Frenchiemobiles here.  :lol:
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: Colin on January 11, 2013, 01:55:51 PM
Not much easier to get parts for them in Europe, either.. but that's really not the point!

That said, the previous generation of all three are much more desirable to me: Citroen CX, Renault R20/30 and the very elegant Peugeot 604. Lovely, all of them.
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: Onslaught on January 12, 2013, 06:33:03 AM
How can I vote on something I've never even seen or sat in?
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: cawimmer430 on January 12, 2013, 06:43:39 AM
Quote from: Onslaught on January 12, 2013, 06:33:03 AM
How can I vote on something I've never even seen or sat in?

I've never seen or sat in a '74 Dodge Monaco in real life, yet I adore that car.  :praise:


You can always vote for the RWD Plymouth Volare. All the French luxury cars here are FWD.
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: cawimmer430 on January 12, 2013, 06:44:09 AM
Quote from: shp4man on January 11, 2013, 01:37:19 PM
I had to vote Volare. You just can't get parts for those Frenchiemobiles here.  :lol:

:lol:
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: Onslaught on January 12, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 12, 2013, 06:43:39 AM
I've never seen or sat in a '74 Dodge Monaco in real life, yet I adore that car.  :praise:


You can always vote for the RWD Plymouth Volare. All the French luxury cars here are FWD.
Well, I think most French cars are ugly. So if it's ugly and FWD then I really have no need for it.
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: cawimmer430 on January 12, 2013, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: Onslaught on January 12, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Well, I think most French cars are ugly. So if it's ugly and FWD then I really have no need for it.

In that case the Plymouth Volare is your ride. RWD, baby. RWD!
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2013, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 12, 2013, 08:55:36 PM
In that case the Plymouth Volare is your ride. RWD, baby. RWD!

no
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 12, 2013, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 12, 2013, 08:55:36 PM
In that case the Plymouth Volare is your ride. RWD, baby. RWD!

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/76130_513851901966614_802415109_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: cawimmer430 on January 13, 2013, 07:49:34 AM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on January 12, 2013, 09:04:45 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/76130_513851901966614_802415109_n.jpg)

:lol:
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: 68_427 on January 16, 2013, 12:08:19 AM
Pug.  Looks like a sts/sls
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: 68_427 on January 17, 2013, 11:30:20 PM
(http://www.stillphotography.co.uk/gallery/d/8873-2/stw98_06.jpeg)
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: cawimmer430 on January 18, 2013, 04:37:33 AM
Quote from: 68_427 on January 17, 2013, 11:30:20 PM
(http://www.stillphotography.co.uk/gallery/d/8873-2/stw98_06.jpeg)

That's actually a Peugeot 406.  ;)

It was actually quite a handsome car in its day. Still looks good to me.

(http://img2.netcarshow.com/Peugeot-406_Sedan_2001_800x600_wallpaper_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: hotrodalex on January 20, 2013, 12:11:49 AM
Is the XM the one that can pull 1G on the skidpad?
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: 68_427 on January 20, 2013, 12:25:40 AM
Quote from: hotrodalex on January 20, 2013, 12:11:49 AM
Is the XM the one that can pull 1G on the skidpad?

XantiA
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: cawimmer430 on January 20, 2013, 08:40:38 AM
French promotional video of the Citroen XM.

Novembre 1990 Citroen XM.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94GPghdeCNE#)
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: cawimmer430 on January 20, 2013, 08:43:12 AM
And this German XM owner has been driving his 2.5 Turbodiesel for over 13 years with no plans of selling it. There's a nice suspension raising/lowering part at 3:00.

Citroen XM Y4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv5Gm4KPOn0#)
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: FoMoJo on January 20, 2013, 09:52:48 AM
Even the French lost their flair for design/style in the 90s. :(
Title: Re: Early '90s French Luxury Cars
Post by: cawimmer430 on January 23, 2013, 07:53:35 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 20, 2013, 09:52:48 AM
Even the French lost their flair for design/style in the 90s. :(

I think was mainly true for Citroen and Renault in my opinion. Peugeot had some handsome designs in those days.