I hate the name I really do. First cars to be delivered June 2020. Come on VW, you have been teasing this for like 10 years now.
Overall however I do like it. 3 battery packs available offering between 330 - 550 km of range. 2 Power options, 150, and 204hp are available. It has the footprint of a Golf, and the interior space of a Passat. The Head up Display will offer augmented reality, it will for example "paint" arrows on the road. Price in Germany will start at under €30,000 including 19% VAT, excluding state subsidies.
I wrote here some time ago, that car makers should make more interesting sounds for electric cars, I suggested the wail of a Tie-fighter, VW says the sound of the ID.3 was "inspired" by the Millennium Falcon. We shall see.
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(https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/VW-ID-3-2020-1st-Serie-article169Gallery-51bce566-1626844.jpg)
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^ New VW Logo will be used on all cars.
(https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/VW-ID-3-2020-1st-Serie-article169Gallery-e5261bdf-1626849.jpg)
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^ Like most VWs the color combinations will be numerous.
(https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/VW-ID-3-2020-1st-Serie-article169Gallery-2dc89b16-1626855.jpg)
Officially called the "Play Pedal." I like it.
I like it. But needs more range and TORK.
Also, that VW logo is the same exact thing but flatter. Wow much improvement.
Not coming to the US...lame.
Also, not a fan of this push to take every switch and button in the interior and put them into a screen. There aren't any clear HVAC controls?
I like what my Accord has. It's really simple too and declutters the dash a lot. 3 dials and a couple of buttons for the whole HVAC system. Seems like a way better solution.
Quote from: MrH on September 09, 2019, 03:03:25 PM
Not coming to the US...lame.
Also, not a fan of this push to take every switch and button in the interior and put them into a screen. There aren't any clear HVAC controls?
I like what my Accord has. It's really simple too and declutters the dash a lot. 3 dials and a couple of buttons for the whole HVAC system. Seems like a way better solution.
Have always liked Honda's setup.
Hvac should always be three knobs. Buttons and touchscreens are dumb as hell.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 09, 2019, 04:33:48 PM
Hvac should always be three knobs. Buttons and touchscreens are dumb as hell.
I like linear sliders. They can be more efficiently packaged.
Quote from: MX793 on September 09, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
I like linear sliders. They can be more efficiently packaged.
Fine, (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/46/3f/d6463fd1a32a8cb1ca30d43a35f1cd5c.jpg) are at least as good as knobs, but I can't think of anything that uses sliders anymore.
The Bolts HVAC works fine. 1 knob for temperature, buttons for the rest. I only touch the knob every once in a while to adjust the auto temperature
Quote from: MX793 on September 09, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
I like linear sliders. They can be more efficiently packaged.
No longer a concern with today's crazy high cowls
I think this is a good first effort from VW but we will see #1 how much it costs and #2 if anyone actually wants them
A hybrid Golf sounds much better to me (outside of the cramped interior)
VW has the eGolf so is this really a first effort? I guess it's the first bespoke car.
The least powerful model weighs
2-tons. Holy crap! I am still used to ICE cars where a low-powered economy car today weighs maybe 1.2 tons! :mask:
Quote from: MrH on September 09, 2019, 03:03:25 PM
Also, not a fan of this push to take every switch and button in the interior and put them into a screen. There aren't any clear HVAC controls?
I like what my Accord has. It's really simple too and declutters the dash a lot. 3 dials and a couple of buttons for the whole HVAC system. Seems like a way better solution.
Yep, but some brands do it better than others. I like the setup in my A250. A/C controls are buttons but everything else is in the digital screen but logically located and quickly accessible via voice, touchpad, touchscreen or the touch pads on my steering wheel - or by buttons flanking the touchpad.
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Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 09, 2019, 09:43:12 PM
VW has the eGolf so is this really a first effort? I guess it's the first bespoke car.
AFAIK the eGolf was never developed from ground-up to be an EV. It was a knee-jerk reaction to all the Greenies who hate anything ICE-powered. The same is true for the VW eUP! That explains the horrible ranges on both of those cars, because VW couldn't cram bigger, more powerful battery packs into those cars.
Are those light and defogger buttons capacitive touch?
I don't think VW got enough credit for the e-Golf, especially considering they also had a plug in Version alongside it. For most the e-Golf would be a second car to a A6 or something, so ther range is enough to get to work and back.
Here's a Close Look At The ID.3, Volkswagen's Most Important New Car In Many Decades
Last week, Volkswagen unveiled its long-awaited ID.3 electric hatchback at the Frankfurt Motor Show. It follows the Beetle and Golf as the brand's most important vehicle and could prove to be the car that, finally, makes electric vehicles mainstream.
In this video from Top Gear, we're offered a detailed look at aspects of the hatchback which the official photos fail to cover.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTMFamylaDQ
The first thing worth mentioning about the ID.3 is the design. Because it doesn't feature a big internal combustion engine up the front nor a large transmission, VW's designers have been able to shorten the front and rear overhangs and push the cabin forward to increase space. The car manufacturer goes as far as to say that, while the ID.3 has almost the same footprint as a Golf, it offers interior space to rival a Passat.
There will be three different powertrains available for the ID.3. The first is a 45 kWh version with a 147 HP and 229 lb-ft (310 Nm) electric motor, offering a range of 205 miles (330 km). Next up is the mid-level 58 kWh model with an electric motor delivering 201 HP and a 261-mile (420-km) range. Sitting at the top of the family is the 77 kWh version with the same 201 HP electric motor but an extended range, which sits at an impressive 342 miles (550 km).
Volkswagen has yet to release pricing details for the ID.3 range, but has confirmed the base model will start at under €30,000 ($33,161) in Germany.
Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/heres-a-close-look-at-the-id-3-volkswagens-most-important-new-car-in-many-decades/
As gay as it sounds, I prefer large knobs for most controls.
Less screens in a vehicle is a great thing. As to why they are there in the first place is beyond me. I really did not like the screen in my 3 and I had it turned off 98% of the time. I was a little annoyed that it was the only way to control the music in the vehicle. Glad to see Mazda reverse that strategy.
Quote from: WookieOnRitalin on September 16, 2019, 07:29:59 PM
As gay as it sounds, I prefer large knobs for most controls.
Less screens in a vehicle is a great thing. As to why they are there in the first place is beyond me. I really did not like the screen in my 3 and I had it turned off 98% of the time. I was a little annoyed that it was the only way to control the music in the vehicle. Glad to see Mazda reverse that strategy.
Yeah, that's super gay.
After watching the video about the ID.3 I am totally uninterested in it.
First, the design is butt ugly and bland, inside and out. I get that the designers want this thing to look... "electricish", but it just doesn't work for me. I am used to the proportions of an ICE car, and I like a traditional grille with air intakes!
Second, the interior is just dull, and that transmission drive selector looks just stupid and seems gimmicky to use. What's wrong with offering a column shifter transmission stalk? Simple, quick and easy-to-use.
I like the Renault Zoe because it at least looks cute. But the most beautiful practical EV is the Audi e-Tron GT Concept. That beauty should enter production just the way it is: perfect.
(https://www.driving.co.uk/s3/st-driving-prod/uploads/2019/01/Audi-e-tron-GT-Concept-04.jpg)
Yea, it seems like the promise of beautiful electric cars will only be fulfilled at the super high end. Not sure if that e-Tron GT has a skateboard design or a central tunnel battery... but it looks like any skateboard BEV is gonna either have cramped headroom or hideous, ill proportioned designs
I'd rather just go autonomous than have to drive something like the id3
The e-tron GT is basically an Audi Taycan. I think both of them look great.
Quote from: afty on September 20, 2019, 03:53:11 AM
The e-tron GT is basically an Audi Taycan. I think both of them look great.
The design works for me because it's muscular, athletic and beautiful and most important of all it has a "traditional air-intake grille" up front.
Call me old school but tradition matters. :lol:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on September 20, 2019, 04:52:52 AM
The design works for me because it's muscular, athletic and beautiful and most important of all it has a "traditional air-intake grille" up front.
Call me old school but tradition matters. :lol:
For me the "traditional air-intake grille" is up there with putting fake exhaust on a E-car. That is one of the things Tesla, and Porsche got right, and Audi got wrong imo.
Now, Porsche does deserve criticism for using the turbo moniker.
Motors and batteries need cooling, too. It's possible that the grille is functional in some way. :huh:
Tesla ditched the grille but still manages to find air for cooling
Quote from: Laconian on September 20, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
Tesla ditched the grille but still manages to find air for cooling
I'm surprised that they don't use osmosis through the body panels.
Quote from: Laconian on September 20, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
Tesla ditched the grille but still manages to find air for cooling
I think there is a healthy medium for grill size. EVs should have grilles too.
Quote from: Laconian on September 20, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
Tesla ditched the grille but still manages to find air for cooling
Good for them. :huh:
The Model 3 has a small grill at the bottom of the front.
Quote from: Laconian on September 20, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
Tesla ditched the grille but still manages to find air for cooling
And lots of ICE cars went grill-free too for years. That doesn't change whether or not a grille could be functional, and it very well could be.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 20, 2019, 12:27:47 PM
The Model 3 has a small grill at the bottom of the front.
The model 3 did it quite poorly though by having a very grille shaped outline where a grille should be. I know they were making a statement of sorts, but I don't think it looks good.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 20, 2019, 12:33:11 PM
The model 3 did it quite poorly though by having a very grille shaped outline where a grille should be. I know they were making a statement of sorts, but I don't think it looks good.
Yep, they did it far better in the 90's. I'm guessing that outline is there for pedestrian crash regs.
Quote from: Laconian on September 20, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
Tesla ditched the grille but still manages to find air for cooling
No it doesn't. Drive one fast, or try repeat starts, and they shut off because of overheating.
Quote from: AltinD on September 20, 2019, 05:15:47 PM
No it doesn't. Drive one fast, or try repeat starts, and they shut off because of overheating.
Don't think this is true for the 3. The 3 Performance has Track Mode to keep things cool and repeatable. The S does have overheating problems, but not the 3 to my knowledge.
For example, https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-performance-31-hard-launches-video/ and https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-3/2019/tesla-model-3-performance-track-mode-release-version-review/
Quote from: Galaxy on September 20, 2019, 10:00:19 AM
For me the "traditional air-intake grille" is up there with putting fake exhaust on a E-car. That is one of the things Tesla, and Porsche got right, and Audi got wrong imo.
Now, Porsche does deserve criticism for using the turbo moniker.
From a design POV I think putting a fake grille on EVs can add to their acceptance. We're used to seeing cars with a grille. I think part of what turns people off from EVs (aside from the current drawbacks of price, range, charging time and potential battery replacement costs) is the lack of a grille; it makes the car not look like a traditional car, or makes it look too futuristic.
I also don't have a problem with EVs having fake exhausts. That's actually cool and gimmicky - in a funky way. :lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 20, 2019, 12:29:59 PM
And lots of ICE cars went grill-free too for years. That doesn't change whether or not a grille could be functional, and it very well could be.
Some of them even looked cool in their day! :ohyeah:
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/ford/telstar/autowp.ru_ford_telstar_hatchback_2.jpg)
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/v/volvo/480/volvo_480_uk-spec_1.jpg)
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/nissan/silvia/autowp.ru_nissan_silvia_5.jpg)
And some didn't. :lol:
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Quote from: cawimmer430 on September 20, 2019, 05:31:23 PM
From a design POV I think putting a fake grille on EVs can add to their acceptance. We're used to seeing cars with a grille. I think part of what turns people off from EVs (aside from the current drawbacks of price, range, charging time and potential battery replacement costs) is the lack of a grille; it makes the car not look like a traditional car, or makes it look too futuristic.
I also don't have a problem with EVs having fake exhausts. That's actually cool and gimmicky - in a funky way. :lol:
I dunno, I would like to see electric cars do more with the flexibility afforded by the powertrain.
I don't think the exterior design is that good but starting at < 30,000 Euros which is $33,000 for an electric car with that range is a good deal. I think it'll sell very well.
Quote from: veeman on September 22, 2019, 08:43:29 PM
I don't think the exterior design is that good but starting at < 30,000 Euros which is $33,000 for an electric car with that range is a good deal. I think it'll sell very well.
IIRC it already has something like 45,000 pre-orders.
Quote from: Laconian on September 21, 2019, 12:32:26 PM
I dunno, I would like to see electric cars do more with the flexibility afforded by the powertrain.
:tounge:
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Dude, that artist should draw shit for Google. Such beautiful Material Design(TM)
Quote from: Laconian on September 23, 2019, 06:36:27 PM
Dude, that artist should draw shit for Google. Such beautiful Material Design(TM)
:lol:
But in all honesty, I don't like where the design for EV cars is going. They're either:
1) Wacky
2) Ugly
3) Too Futuristic
Or
4) Have Weird Proportions
I like the Renault Zoe and the Honda E. Those are the best-looking mainstream EVs IMO.
The rest of the EV designs which I really like are all concepts that will probably never see the light of day. And if they do they may be toned down.
So aside from the Audi e-Tron GT, I also like the Bentley EXP 100 GT and the Mercedes-Maybach Vision 6 Coupe/Convertible.
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/b/bentley/exp_100_gt/bentley_exp_100_gt_6.jpeg)
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/m/maybach/mercedes-benz/vision_mercedes-_6_cabriolet/vision_mercedes-maybach_6_cabriolet_69.jpeg)
Bring on the weird. We need weird.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 24, 2019, 04:42:01 AM
Bring on the weird. We need weird.
Weird yes, but not bland and ugly. ;)
Quote from: cawimmer430 on September 24, 2019, 06:22:42 AM
Weird yes, but not bland and ugly. ;)
Imagine an electric Citroen DS. Tiny low hood, but so beautiful. Dump the wheezy unremarkable ICE and you'd have a much better car IMO.
Quote from: Laconian on September 24, 2019, 12:33:40 PM
Imagine an electric Citroen DS. Tiny low hood, but so beautiful. Dump the wheezy unremarkable ICE and you'd have a much better car IMO.
I rode in a 1972 DS23 Pallas many years ago. The engine wasn't really that buzzy in normal driving situations. I'm part of the "I like the ICE sound!" crowd. ;)