108 HP turbo 3 banger, RR chassis, 2060lb curb weight
http://www.evo.co.uk/renault/twingo/17811/renault-twingo-gt-announced-uk-price-revealed
(http://cdn1.evo.co.uk/sites/evo/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/embargo-6th-june-2016-14h00-twingo-gt-7.jpg?itok=MrnZHeSk)
Basically the Forfour brabus.
Mmm look at those nice meaty rear tires
Much better than a 500
This can come to US at Versa prices?
Americans don't have the stones to DD a 2000lb tin can
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 22, 2016, 11:02:29 AM
Americans don't have the stones to DD a 2000lb tin can
Mirage sales prove otherwise
Love it. :wub:
I'm a fan of the current Renault Twingo. It's cute and can easily be tuned, plus the rear-engine + RWD layout probably make it feel like a mini Porsche 911.
It's one of the top five cars I currently lust after. It would make a nice city car and a fun car for blasting down country roads - once you've gotten used to the potential extreme slide and fishtailing. :lol:
Yeah, short wheelbase= massive rotation, not the good kind
Nah the engine sits super low and almost entirely within the wheelbase. Plus it's really slow and loaded with modern driving aids.
Quote from: Tave on November 24, 2016, 12:22:57 AM
Nah the engine sits super low and almost entirely within the wheelbase. Plus it's really slow and loaded with modern driving aids.
Plus, wheelbase relative to the mass of the car is a factor. The 911 had lots of mass behind the wheelbase. Looks like at least 90% of the Twingo's mass is within the wheelbase.
Yep.... 991 alleviated a lot of that with its big wheelbase stretch (4" over 996-997, 8" over 993 and before)
Thinking more about it, I'm feeling like the 911's loopy nature was due to its short ass wheelbase more than anything. Early ones were like 88"... that's shorter than an NA Miata
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 24, 2016, 12:33:18 PM
Yep.... 991 alleviated a lot of that with its big wheelbase stretch (4" over 996-997, 8" over 993 and before)
Thinking more about it, I'm feeling like the 911's loopy nature was due to its short ass wheelbase more than anything. Early ones were like 88"... that's shorter than an NA Miata
That and the rear suspension geometry. The semi-trailing arm setup used by pre-993 models had some shortcomings that contributed to the tendency to oversteer.