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Auto Talk => General Automotive => Topic started by: veeman on June 17, 2023, 06:38:06 AM

Title: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: veeman on June 17, 2023, 06:38:06 AM
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/active-driving-assistance-systems-review-a2103632203/

Older article but first time came across it.  Consumer Reports voted Ford's Blue Cruise the best.  Tesla deemed unsafe.

I want a Ford Mustang Mach E with Blue Cruise now. 
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: FoMoJo on June 17, 2023, 08:07:41 AM
Excellent feature..."Both point infrared cameras at driver faces and sound an alert if the driver stops paying attention to the road, even if just for a few seconds. If drivers don't turn their eyes back to the road, the system soon begins to slow the car."
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: r0tor on June 17, 2023, 08:43:50 AM
Using driver monitoring as a criteria for ranking automated driver systems is pretty pointless
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on June 17, 2023, 08:48:07 AM
I hate it
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: veeman on June 17, 2023, 09:21:00 AM
Quote from: r0tor on June 17, 2023, 08:43:50 AMUsing driver monitoring as a criteria for ranking automated driver systems is pretty pointless

Yeah Consumer Reports are a Ralph Nader kind of publication.  Still in their charts for "Capabilities and Performance" they gave it a 9/10 (equivalent to Tesla). 

I like the safety features especially since my wife would be the primary driver (if I get a Mach-E). On Ford's website you can put in your start and end point and it maps out your route and tells you how much of it is Blue Cruise enabled.  For my wife's commute, 65% would be Blue Cruise enabled including all highways.
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: r0tor on June 17, 2023, 10:08:37 AM
Quote from: veeman on June 17, 2023, 09:21:00 AMYeah Consumer Reports are a Ralph Nader kind of publication.  Still in their charts for "Capabilities and Performance" they gave it a 9/10 (equivalent to Tesla). 

I like the safety features especially since my wife would be the primary driver (if I get a Mach-E). On Ford's website you can put in your start and end point and it maps out your route and tells you how much of it is Blue Cruise enabled.  For my wife's commute, 65% would be Blue Cruise enabled including all highways.

It's enabled providing the driver pays basically the same amount of attention as if they were actually driving - in which case what is the point?  Are humans becoming to weak to operate the steering wheel and pedals or does anyone believe these systems steer and brake as well as a human?  Are these driver monitoring features really a feature at all - or just a glaring omission by the OEM their systems can not be trusted without 100% driver involvement.

 The point of these systems should be to reduce driver stress and fatigue by allowing the driver to be in a more relaxed state.  Cruise control would never have become popular if the driver's feet had to remain in contact with the pedals.

Consumer Reports completely missed the entire point of these systems.  Their review should be around what systems provide a safe and reduced stress environment.
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: FoMoJo on June 17, 2023, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: r0tor on June 17, 2023, 10:08:37 AMIt's enabled providing the driver pays basically the same amount of attention as if they were actually driving - in which case what is the point?  Are humans becoming to weak to operate the steering wheel and pedals or does anyone believe these systems steer and brake as well as a human?  Are these driver monitoring features really a feature at all - or just a glaring omission by the OEM their systems can not be trusted without 100% driver involvement.

 The point of these systems should be to reduce driver stress and fatigue by allowing the driver to be in a more relaxed state.  Cruise control would never have become popular if the driver's feet had to remain in contact with the pedals.

Consumer Reports completely missed the entire point of these systems.  Their review should be around what systems provide a safe and reduced stress environment.
I would be a nervous wreck if I had to rely on the car steering itself.  It's really too early in the development of the technology for the driver not to be paying full attention.
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: veeman on June 17, 2023, 03:36:11 PM
I dunno.  I've never used one. 

Maybe not intermittently putting your left foot on the throttle/brake and your hands on the steering wheel for stop and go traffic on a highway is more relaxing than having to do that on a daily long work commute. I think it probably would be. 
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: FoMoJo on June 17, 2023, 04:03:20 PM
What would you be doing with your hands anyways, if not resting them on the steering wheel?
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: Morris Minor on June 17, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 17, 2023, 04:03:20 PMWhat would you be doing with your hands anyways, if not resting them on the steering wheel?
Nothing beats having a wank.
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: r0tor on June 17, 2023, 06:16:28 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 17, 2023, 04:03:20 PMWhat would you be doing with your hands anyways, if not resting them on the steering wheel?

Finger forking your phone of course
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: FoMoJo on June 17, 2023, 06:58:50 PM
What used  to be nice about driving was that you were isolated from the outside world, just you and the radio.
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: Morris Minor on June 18, 2023, 05:05:36 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 17, 2023, 06:58:50 PMWhat used  to be nice about driving was that you were isolated from the outside world, just you and the radio.
That's what the guy on the Rare & Classic Cars YouTube channel keeps emphasizing. You could waft along say in an early '70s Mercury Grand Marquis in silence & complete isolation - just an AM/FM radio playing of you wanted.
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 18, 2023, 10:37:00 AM
Some extended family came over a couple of weeks ago and the kids wanted to check out the Miata and El Camino. I let them sit in the El Camino and they were shocked at the lack of a touchscreen and buttons. I never even thought about that - normally kids are just surprised by crank windows (which of course these kids had not seen before either)
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: r0tor on June 18, 2023, 10:59:41 AM
I sometimes like hoping into my Mazda and not having a screen... But then generally mount my phone somewhere to have a screen, mostly because I am addicted to Waze -sigh-
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 18, 2023, 11:01:30 AM
I drove assisted on the interstate by Kia and Audi. Super loved them.

We ordered adaptive cruise and lane centering in Mav but those options got dropped. $600 in parts and doing work myself to add them, just need to decide when.
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: MrH on June 19, 2023, 07:59:48 AM
Super Cruise is the real deal.  It was worth the price of admission for sure.
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: Morris Minor on June 22, 2023, 05:21:45 AM
Quote from: MrH on June 19, 2023, 07:59:48 AMSuper Cruise is the real deal.  It was worth the price of admission for sure.
I bitterly regret not getting the top-trim CX-5. Nothing close to the goodness of Super Cruise but the "Signature" version would have had lane-keeping assist and IIRC 360° surround view that our one lacks. As it is ours just has radar cruise.
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: Rich on June 22, 2023, 08:06:01 AM
Lane keeping assist sucks horribly on the rentals I've had. Ping pongin

Maybe for the surround view.
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 22, 2023, 08:23:24 AM
Quote from: Rich on June 22, 2023, 08:06:01 AMLane keeping assist sucks horribly on the rentals I've had. Ping pongin

Maybe for the surround view.

Ford has two levels, one is lane correction, the other is lane centering.

Same hardware I think?!?!!!
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: r0tor on June 22, 2023, 10:55:06 AM
My Alfa just gives a buzzer when you get out of lane... It's not very good and the feature is turned off permanently as there are many cases where you indeed do need to get out of the lane
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: MrH on June 22, 2023, 11:17:53 AM
Quote from: Morris Minor on June 22, 2023, 05:21:45 AMI bitterly regret not getting the top-trim CX-5. Nothing close to the goodness of Super Cruise but the "Signature" version would have had lane-keeping assist and IIRC 360° surround view that our one lacks. As it is ours just has radar cruise.

If it makes you feel any better, Mazda's system never really impressed me much on the .  Their ACC was fine, but their lane keep assist was nothing to write home about.
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 22, 2023, 01:08:30 PM
I have steering wheel buzz for lane assist, it's pretty good considering it's only one camera.

I ordered the full package but it didn't get ordered- for $600 in parts and some software adjustments I could add "lane centering & adaptive cruise control" (not authorized by Ford, they would never allow dealer to do install or acknowledge the feature).
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: giant_mtb on June 22, 2023, 01:53:22 PM
Lane keep assist...I think that's what rumble strips are for. :lol:
Title: Re: Active Driving Assistance
Post by: Morris Minor on July 03, 2023, 06:59:56 AM
ADAS should be universal:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1675804266240376834