Jeep Wrangler JL

[12,000 RPM]

Modern cars are being slowly killed by regulatory and shareholder constraints. It is a bit of a bummer.

Jack Baruth did a great review on a Morgan 3 wheeler and the big takeaway for me was how much people enjoyed its uniqueness. As ubiquitous as Wranglers are becoming they are still unlike pretty much anything else on the road. I can't knock someone who values that

[giant_mtb]

My biggest gripe with Wranglers is the punk ass kids driving around blasting music they think everybody wants to hear and not clearly paying attention to what they're actually doing.

So, small beans.

[CaminoRacer]

I've decided I should build an old Willy's Jeep with a Mustang II front subframe and stick 335 tires all the way around. People have done lots of ratrod Jeeps, but I don't think I've seen a racecar version. (I've seen a racecar Cherokee, however)

[Payman]

Modern cars are being slowly killed by regulatory and shareholder constraints. It is a bit of a bummer.

Jack Baruth did a great review on a Morgan 3 wheeler and the big takeaway for me was how much people enjoyed its uniqueness. As ubiquitous as Wranglers are becoming they are still unlike pretty much anything else on the road. I can't knock someone who values that

This.

[93JC]

People have done lots of ratrod Jeeps, but I don't think I've seen a racecar version. (I've seen a racecar Cherokee, however)

[MX793]

One of our autocross regulars is prepping an old Grancho for auto-x.  He apparently found a cheap, V8 model so he's lowering it and widening the track to make it legal.  I guess he plans to run it at our next event.

[giant_mtb]

Those V8s pulled pretty good.

[Galaxy]

One of our autocross regulars is prepping an old Grancho for auto-x.  He apparently found a cheap, V8 model so he's lowering it and widening the track to make it legal.  I guess he plans to run it at our next event.

Is there a required width to height ratio?

[MX793]

Is there a required width to height ratio?

Yes.  The SCCA calculates a rollover rating based on CG height and width, but for vehicles not listed, there's a height/width ratio guideline for event tech inspectors to use as guidance.

[Galaxy]

Yes.  The SCCA calculates a rollover rating based on CG height and width, but for vehicles not listed, there's a height/width ratio guideline for event tech inspectors to use as guidance.

I am assuming no one shows up in a Mitsubishi Delica Star Wagon. 

[MX793]

I am assuming no one shows up in a Mitsubishi Delica Star Wagon. 

They weren't sold here, so no.

Amongst cars inelligible to compete in stock form are the Ford Fiesta (non-ST), Fiat 500 (non-Abarth), and 2nd generation Scion xB.  We've had to turn away a NISMO Juke and an SRT Cherokee.

[2o6]

They weren't sold here, so no.

Amongst cars inelligible to compete in stock form are the Ford Fiesta (non-ST), Fiat 500 (non-Abarth), and 2nd generation Scion xB.  We've had to turn away a NISMO Juke and an SRT Cherokee.

Is the Sonic allowed?

[Soup DeVille]

Is the Sonic allowed?

https://dk1xgl0d43mu1.cloudfront.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/019/022/2017-01-17-appendix-A-automobile-classes.pdf?1484693257

Yep, in H.

[68_427]

[BimmerM3]

Yeah there have been testing mules all over the damn place for the past few months.

[veeman]

Perfect pickup for those who don't really need a pickup.  I love it. 

[Payman]

I hope there's a 2 door cab longbed version.

[heelntoe]

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-jeep-gladiator-pickup-truck-this-is-it-1830439869

I hope there's a 2 door cab longbed version.

I hope so too!

[BimmerM3]

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-jeep-gladiator-pickup-truck-this-is-it-1830439869

Wow, I think the biggest thing here is that it has legit towing capability (7,650 lbs). The Unlimited can only do 3500, and the 2-door is 2000.

[68_427]

3.0L v6 diesel with max towing of 7600lbs available

[giant_mtb]

Very cool.  Kinda weird to see such a long Wrangler, though.

[93JC]

I hope there's a 2 door cab longbed version.

I hope so too!

Likely never going to happen.

[Payman]

Likely never going to happen.

If I can't haul my ATV it's dead to me.

[93JC]

Long beds and especially two-door "regular cabs" are increasingly rare, almost entirely now within the purview of the fleet sales managers who sell full-size pickups in "Work Truck" trim. Most trucks are toys now; four-door vehicles that are used to shuttle the kids to soccer practice.

The Wrangler pickup is just a toy, a "lifestyle choice", and FCA will sell oodles of them. Believe me: you might give a shit about a long-bed "work truck" version, but the vast majority of potential buyers couldn't care less.

[giant_mtb]

Seeing a newer RCSB Silverado gives me willy a jump.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Seeing a newer RCSB Silverado gives me willy a jump.

I got three RCSB trucks in front of my house. Willy be jumpin all up in my business.

[veeman]

Long beds and especially two-door "regular cabs" are increasingly rare, almost entirely now within the purview of the fleet sales managers who sell full-size pickups in "Work Truck" trim. Most trucks are toys now; four-door vehicles that are used to shuttle the kids to soccer practice.

The Wrangler pickup is just a toy, a "lifestyle choice", and FCA will sell oodles of them. Believe me: you might give a shit about a long-bed "work truck" version, but the vast majority of potential buyers couldn't care less.

It's a real cool looking toy.  Someone who actually needs a pickup like a landscaper would never get this.  A half ton work truck is gonna be cheaper and more reliable and a 3/4 ton pickup can be used to plow in the winter much better than this would.  This Jeep truck is for tailgating at the football game, going skiing, hunting, etc.   

[BimmerM3]

It's a real cool looking toy.  Someone who actually needs a pickup like a landscaper would never get this.  A half ton work truck is gonna be cheaper and more reliable and a 3/4 ton pickup can be used to plow in the winter much better than this would.  This Jeep truck is for tailgating at the football game, going skiing, hunting, etc.   

It'll still be good for off-roading too. I expect to see quite a few of these in CO. Throw a bed cover on the back and you essentially have an Unlimited with extra gear space that can also tow a decent sized camper. You can see in the picture that the soft top goes down the wall behind the rear seats, so I'm sure there will be roof kits that enclose the cabin and bed together too.

But yeah, this is a family vehicle that can go off-road, not a work truck.

[Soup DeVille]

If they do this they should do a troopy version.

[Galaxy]

The truck looks very nice, much better then the Tonka trucks. The rear end has an almost old school look like trucks of the past, the rear lights remind me of the 1980s GMC Sierra.

The one thing that bothers me is the weird cut out of the rear doors. In 4 door Wrangler this is where the wheel arch would be, but on the truck the wheels are further back. They really should have made new doors for this, since this looks like a back alley shop cobbled it together.