Personally, I think they look rediculous.
I've heard people say that a new Silverado 4x4 pickup is too low. :rolleyes: I'd much rather have a truck with a stock, more aggresive stance. Of course, I'd rather not have a truck at all. :lol:
I live in a small conservative town, so there's a fair amount of flag waving nationalist redneck wannabes who love them.
They look silly, hurt handling, gas mileage, increase the chance of a rollover and endanger other people. What good are they?! Sounds like redneck rice to me!
(http://www.socaltrucks.com/totw/img/eliminator_2500_Nathan2.jpg)
(http://www.ludikrskustomz.com/TomsLiftedBlkChevyCrop.jpg)
The idea is to be able to take them extreme off-roading. Stock trucks are very limited compared to a truck with a set of tires and a lift kit...even if it's just a few inches.
It's all appearance, lifting a Silverado is the same as lowering a Civic. I don't see any point to either practice, both hurt ride and handling and cost extra, but some people like the look.
These kits only make sense if you are doing extreme off roading, otherwise, they are pointless.
People around here actually take their "riced" trucks off roading...
That's because you live in the U.P.! This is not the case in the L.P.
Well that's lame... :angry:
QuoteIt's all appearance, lifting a Silverado is the same as lowering a Civic. I don't see any point to either practice, both hurt ride and handling and cost extra, but some people like the look.
Lowering will improve handling if it's done right with performance springs, shocks/struts, and polyurethane bump stops.
I can't stand how the drivers of lifted trucks drive more than I can't stand the trucks themselves.
QuoteQuoteIt's all appearance, lifting a Silverado is the same as lowering a Civic. I don't see any point to either practice, both hurt ride and handling and cost extra, but some people like the look.
Lowering will improve handling if it's done right with performance springs, shocks/struts, and polyurethane bump stops.
And you think the average teen in his 1996 Civic coupe went through all that?
Lifted trucks aren't all bad you know.
A truck that has a 3 inch suspension lift with a 3 inch body lift and still has decently streetable tires can be easily driven every day...
A Jeep Wrangler isn't that bad either, if you use it to its potential. Otherwise it's impractical and a waste of money over a car, you only get the looks. Of course it CAN be driven on-road, but if it's spending all its time there why not get a car that is more than simply sufficient?
Same deal with a lifted truck.
QuoteI can't stand how the drivers of lifted trucks drive more than I can't stand the trucks themselves.
I know what you mean. They like to come right up on your ass...that's a good way to runover a smaller car.
Why is it impractical to lift your truck for off-roading? Besides, it probably costs about the same to own a lifted truck and use it as a daily driver than to have two cars. (the truck and a car)
It's not, if you use if for off-roading.
So then why are we saying that these trucks that are lifted are "rice"? How would you even know if they off-road with it or not? I mean they aren't gonna drive it around covered in mud all the time...so basically I don't see why you guys are discriminating against them... :ph34r:
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's all appearance, lifting a Silverado is the same as lowering a Civic. I don't see any point to either practice, both hurt ride and handling and cost extra, but some people like the look.
Lowering will improve handling if it's done right with performance springs, shocks/struts, and polyurethane bump stops.
And you think the average teen in his 1996 Civic coupe went through all that?
No, he probably just heated them or cut them.
QuoteSo then why are we saying that these trucks that are lifted are "rice"? How would you even know if they off-road with it or not? I mean they aren't gonna drive it around covered in mud all the time...so basically I don't see why you guys are discriminating against them... :ph34r:
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Most lifted pickups or SUVs aren't used for any off-pavement excursions, much less subjected to conditions that the same car couldn't handle stock. If they are, that's another thing entirely.
But the point is that these lifted trucks are not rice. Rice is slow. Comparably, lifted pickups are capable, regardless of the fact that they are used on or off-road.
I am going to agree with Giant here. Actually about 70% of lifted trucks are taken off road. You just dont realize it :)
Maybe where he lives up in the U.P.
QuoteMaybe where he lives up in the U.P.
Yeah but think about an entire country...you don't think that at least 70 percent of the lifted trucks actually have owners that take them off roadin?
if you can do cool stuff with it, it's not rice...
QuoteQuoteMaybe where he lives up in the U.P.
Yeah but think about an entire country...you don't think that at least 70 percent of the lifted trucks actually have owners that take them off roadin?
I honestly don't. There are enough suburbanites in their immaculate $40,000 lifted trucks to offset any population that does otherwise.
I disagree wholeheartdly, have you ever seen 10 year old lifted trucks? Those outway those 1 year olds that are lifted 10 to 1. Do you think those 10 year old trucks are lifted for the look? Come on now get serious and admit defeat :)
Actually, down here i was talking to one guy and he said and i quote "I want to put a 10 lift..." i asked him why and he responded "Because its COOL MAN!" :rolleyes: at that point i rolled my eyes and walked away
I can understand getting a 2-ish inch body lift or suspension lift just for looks, but beyond that, it should be done strictly for your offroadin, not for looks.
I've always wanted a Toyota truck that 's lifted. They look awesome in 4wd + lifted.
QuoteI disagree wholeheartdly, have you ever seen 10 year old lifted trucks? Those outway those 1 year olds that are lifted 10 to 1. Do you think those 10 year old trucks are lifted for the look? Come on now get serious and admit defeat :)
Maybe in your area. But your area does not represent a great trend, most lifted trucks that I see, at whatever height, appear in perfect shape, too good to have been off road.
QuoteI can understand getting a 2-ish inch body lift or suspension lift just for looks, but beyond that, it should be done strictly for your offroadin, not for looks.
2in doesnt bother me, its the guys that lift there trucks until the can see over the cab of 18-wheelers :rolleyes:
*side note-My current defintion of
Rice-Any vehical with several modifications that do not enhance the performance in any way
QuoteRice-Any vehical with several modifications that do not enhance the performance in any way
Does wax count? It doesn't increase performance!
Not every mod has to increase performance.
I define rice as, well, just plain stupid mods.
QuoteQuoteRice-Any vehical with several modifications that do not enhance the performance in any way
Does wax count? It doesn't increase performance!
Not every mod has to increase performance.
I define rice as, well, just plain stupid mods.
But is waxing your car modifing it, last time i check your car has wax on it stock ;) , I'll have to remeber that when i'm waxing our vehicals that i'm modifying it
I guess rust is rice too. ;)
QuoteI guess rust is rice too. ;)
( :rolleyes: )Sure why not( :D )
If your rust spells V-TEC you got some issues.
QuoteIf your rust spells V-TEC you got some issues.
:lol:
You have to admit, some of these lifted trucks do look cool!
If I had a truck, the first direction I'd take it is down. A nice 2/3 drop kit looks great and makes the truck handle better.
But if I had a 4x4, I'd probably put in beefy tires and leave it at that. But I don't mind lifted trucks at all.
QuoteQuoteQuoteRice-Any vehical with several modifications that do not enhance the performance in any way
Does wax count? It doesn't increase performance!
Not every mod has to increase performance.
I define rice as, well, just plain stupid mods.
But is waxing your car modifing it, last time i check your car has wax on it stock ;) , I'll have to remeber that when i'm waxing our vehicals that i'm modifying it
It's maintenance, like changing the tires, giving it a tune-up, or putting gas in it. Not a modification, just steps to keep it at the level it was new.
And rust is a mod only if it's done on purpose. ;)
Lifted trucks are road hazards, IMO. In a collision, their bumpers sit too high and someone in a passenger car is going to go right under the vehicle. It's funny that tractor trailers have mandatory maximum bumper heights (to protect people in passenger cars from getting killed) yet pickups and SUVs do not.
QuoteQuoteSo then why are we saying that these trucks that are lifted are "rice"? How would you even know if they off-road with it or not? I mean they aren't gonna drive it around covered in mud all the time...so basically I don't see why you guys are discriminating against them... :ph34r:
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You realize that you are using the pretty much the same argument for lifted trucks as I was using for large suvs, right? ;) :lol:
QuoteQuoteI disagree wholeheartdly, have you ever seen 10 year old lifted trucks? Those outway those 1 year olds that are lifted 10 to 1. Do you think those 10 year old trucks are lifted for the look? Come on now get serious and admit defeat :)
Maybe in your area. But your area does not represent a great trend, most lifted trucks that I see, at whatever height, appear in perfect shape, too good to have been off road.
And Washington D.C. represents a good trend? Come on, most lifted trucks are in rural areas and many of them are used offroad. That said, unless you are doing all out mudbogging there is really no point.
I'm not only talking about personal experience, in the DC area and elsewhere, but it seems to me that others here are reporting the same thing. And what sort of situations do you (and MTB) see the lifted trucks encountering that the standard version cannot?
I don't hang out around places where people offroad, but just because a truck is clean and on pavement doesn't mean it isn't used offroad. People that build these trucks typically take very good care of them, often washing the dirt off after each trip offroad.
What sort of activities are these trucks used for, even in rural areas? Where are they taken past their stock abilities?
QuoteWhat sort of activities are these trucks used for, even in rural areas? Where are they taken past their stock abilities?
Have you ever seen some good old fashioned mudding or mud racing?
QuoteI don't hang out around places where people offroad, but just because a truck is clean and on pavement doesn't mean it isn't used offroad. People that build these trucks typically take very good care of them, often washing the dirt off after each trip offroad.
TBR makes a very goof point here. I see alot of stereotyping in here, such as this guy has a 7 passenger suv but he's the only one in it. These people who have lifted trucks spent precious money on them and they want them to be washed off ASAP. Just because the lifted truck is on the road with you AT THAT SECOND doesnt mean that it is NEVER taken off road. Have you guys ever been off road or even seen someone go off road? I think the majority of you stereotypicalists who absolutly despise any suv or truck of any kind need a reality check of why people buy the car/truck/suv that they did, and why the do mods to it.
QuoteQuoteWhat sort of activities are these trucks used for, even in rural areas? Where are they taken past their stock abilities?
Have you ever seen some good old fashioned mudding or mud racing?
Nope. Where do they do that, and why can't a stock 4WD pickup handle it?
The mud is just too deep and slippery, you have to have really big tires which requires a lift.
lol i meant good instead of goof. Kinda makes it the opposite of what i meant...
I wouldn't say the ability to "mud race" is "improved off-road ability", but it's a start I suppose. <_<
ifcar you have to understand that theres as many people who like to go rock crawling,mudding,etc... as the people who would put turbos on their cars to go fast. its the same but different. and while lifting isnt a neccesity it double how far offroad you can take it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat sort of activities are these trucks used for, even in rural areas? Where are they taken past their stock abilities?
Have you ever seen some good old fashioned mudding or mud racing?
Nope. Where do they do that, and why can't a stock 4WD pickup handle it?
Here are some photos from a mud bogging event. Some of the trucks I'm sure are running without a lift, but you get a good idea of how deep it can get.
http://www.4wheelingplus.com/mud_bogging/default.asp (http://www.4wheelingplus.com/mud_bogging/default.asp)
Quoteifcar you have to understand that theres as many people who like to go rock crawling,mudding,etc... as the people who would put turbos on their cars to go fast. its the same but different. and while lifting isnt a neccesity it double how far offroad you can take it.
Which is nice, if you actually do. But from what I've read, a stock 4WD pickup should be capable of handling any normal off-road conditions, and probably a bit more. Just like someone who supercharges their Eclipse won't do anything that needs that extra power.
im pretty sure that a new f-150 wouldnt be able to get over 1 4ft boulder without out A) popping a tire or B) hitting the rock with the trucks bumber before the wheels even touch it, thus making it imposible to do anything without a proper lift kit and tires.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat sort of activities are these trucks used for, even in rural areas? Where are they taken past their stock abilities?
Have you ever seen some good old fashioned mudding or mud racing?
Nope. Where do they do that, and why can't a stock 4WD pickup handle it?
Here are some photos from a mud bogging event. Some of the trucks I'm sure are running without a lift, but you get a good idea of how deep it can get.
http://www.4wheelingplus.com/mud_bogging/default.asp (http://www.4wheelingplus.com/mud_bogging/default.asp)
Doesn't look so bad, and none of those look outrageously lifted either.
well that weird i did a b and a smiley came up...
This truck probably has a 4-6 inch lift:
(http://www.shilohridge.com/New-Photos/Halloween2004_files/Photos/PA230012%20(web).jpg)
Quoteim pretty sure that a new f-150 wouldnt be able to get over 1 4ft boulder without out A) popping a tire or B) hitting the rock with the trucks bumber before the wheels even touch it, thus making it imposible to do anything without a proper lift kit and tires.
How many people actually drive over four-foot boulders in their trucks? In my area, I can positively assure you that not a single one does (no boulders here).
Quotewell that weird i did a b and a smiley came up...
I've done that. :P
QuoteThis truck probably has a 4-6 inch lift:
(http://www.shilohridge.com/New-Photos/Halloween2004_files/Photos/PA230012%20(web).jpg)
The Bronco in the background appears to be lower and still ready to tackle the same mudpit.
well, you do live in the D.C. area....its pretty flat there isnt it. And you do live in the city dont you. I personally know guys who have taken there lifted trucks over boulders. off roading is huge iffy, its just as big as the performance segment. Just because YOU dont PERSONALLY know anyone who has take a lifted truck off roading doesnt mean that everyone who gets there truck lifted does it for looks only. A bit singleminded eh?
" The Bronco in the background appears to be lower and still ready to tackle the same mudpit."
That's a Ramcharger ;). And, he isn't in deep mud like the Bronco is.
Minpin, not at all. I'm in the suburbs, and very close to serious pickup-driving areas of Southern Maryland. I just have more confidence in the abilities of stock pickups than everyone else seems to in handling whatever anyone will actually be using them for.
Quote" The Bronco in the background appears to be lower and still ready to tackle the same mudpit."
That's a Ramcharger ;). And, he isn't in deep mud like the Bronco is.
You may be right, it's hard to tell with the entire front end invisible.
And it's not in deep mud yet, but it looks like it's preparing to follow the same route as the Bronco (that one is definitely a Bronco). No reason it shouldn't manage.
well, im done arguing about this heh, ill end it with people put turbos on there car for a reason and people lift there trucks for a reason as well. Now not everyone is gonna agree with those reasons (thats a given) but there is a reason i promise. Hasta Luego Senor
We put a 4 inch lift kit on our '92 F150. Along with 33" tires, whole new front end basically, new tie rods and pitman arm and steering box and all, and we're getting it regeared for the bigger tires too. ^_^
QuoteWe put a 4 inch lift kit on our '92 F150. Along with 33" tires, whole new front end basically, new tie rods and pitman arm and steering box and all, and we're getting it regeared for the bigger tires too. ^_^
awesome. :praise:
QuoteWe put a 4 inch lift kit on our '92 F150. Along with 33" tires, whole new front end basically, new tie rods and pitman arm and steering box and all, and we're getting it regeared for the bigger tires too. ^_^
That's small town Missouri, Kevin. I've lived in an import only area of Arkansas, so it's not as common here (most people are from Chicago, where you only lift a truck if you want to drive over people when you're stuck on the Interstate), but I've noticed people who live here don't need a reason to lift their trucks, they just do it for the hell of it. If you use it for off-roading frequently, or it's a play truck, I can understand, but otherwise, it just makes normal people worry what would happen if they got into a wreck with you.
A guy in my neighborhood has a lifted F350 CC, and he has tractor trailer wheels on it. Honest. Something like 22" wheels. Looks pretty badass.