Top Gear review...
http://youtu.be/vPgPipm9rFA
At first I was, er, what the...
But I'm really starting to dig it.
I love that instead of a traditional spoiler, the bodywork literally bends.
(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/Gkwe8/s1/mclaren-speedtail.jpg)
(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/nxnqo/s1/mclaren-speedtail.jpg)
(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/wnz6Q/s1/mclaren-speedtail.jpg)
(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/q3NqL/s1/mclaren-speedtail.jpg)
(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/zNZAL/s1/mclaren-speedtail.jpg)
So I guess this is side by side with the Senna in their hierarchy, with the Senna being the ultra track car, and this being a GT? THis is the only one of the modern McLarens (anything else except for the F1) that I find interesting.
That badge made out of a combination of pure gold, and carbon fiber is idiotic though. I mean who would come up with the idea to combine one of the lightest materials, with one of the densest elements?
I noticed an article on this earlier. It's different enough to be interesting.
Can you imagine embarking on a lone 'round-the-country trip in that thing? Ermagherrrrrd.
I can't say I find this or the senna even close to attractive
Amazing. If I were in the market for an exotic McLaren would probably be it. A 540C is more than enough.
I approve. It's no F1 but then nothing is. Crossing my fingers for the return of the V12.
It's 1990s streamline aero. They could do better.
Love it
This thing looks freaking awesome, I love it.
Quote from: r0tor on October 26, 2018, 07:32:20 PM
It's 1990s streamline aero. They could do better.
To what end? Who is buying a car like this that could utilize tons of downforce anyway? This shits all over something like the Senna or even the P1 in terms of desirability.
Quote from: r0tor on October 26, 2018, 07:32:20 PM
It's 1990s streamline aero. They could do better.
Form follows function.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 27, 2018, 10:19:01 AM
To what end? Who is buying a car like this that could utilize tons of downforce anyway? This shits all over something like the Senna or even the P1 in terms of desirability.
Compare to the beautiful and functional (cutting edge) aero of the Valkyeri. McClaren is just being lazy with this and the Senna... Just like their current F1 program
(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/pkbJW/s1/aston-martin-am-rb-001-hybrid-in-toronto.jpg)
This is what... 25 year old design
(https://www.supercars.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Jaguar-XJ220-at-RM-Sothebys-Monterey-Left-Side-Profile-1024x768.jpg)
Valkyeri's aero is anything but beautiful. XJ220 criticism is legit though.
Personally I am all for supercars that put form over function as they are being honest. 1 ton of downforce at 120MPH.... who gives a shit, who is buying these cars and driving them that hard?
I didn't realize physics changed in the past 25 years.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 27, 2018, 03:35:39 PM
I didn't realize physics changed in the past 25 years.
Understanding and design of aero has changed drastically in 25 years
Ok but they wanted a Speedtail.... And the thing goes 250 mph....
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 27, 2018, 07:06:40 PM
Ok but they wanted a Speedtail.... And the thing goes 250 mph....
It is junk tho.
Look at this old POS with it's streamlined aero. Can't even hit 500. pssh
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a22716265/danny-thompson-challenger-ii-bonneville-speed-record/
This guy did, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r-9j_ZM-VI
Streamline aero is THE WORST.
McLaren has already done the hi-tech racer thing with the Senna and the P1. Now they have something that requires air-search radar to maneuver the back end of the car around.
They should rebuild the F1. N/A V12 without hybrid bullshit, modern tires, 6-speed, maybe some of the 720's suspension tech, weight savings, and satellite radio. Like an F1 Evo, evo, evo. Make every little thing about the F1 just a little bit better.
I forget who at McLaren said it but they basically called the V12 doodoo
Quote from: r0tor on October 27, 2018, 02:17:33 PM
This is what... 25 year old design
(https://www.supercars.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Jaguar-XJ220-at-RM-Sothebys-Monterey-Left-Side-Profile-1024x768.jpg)
You see, good design is not a fad, or a season's fashion. Calling something old is the level of criticism one expects from junior high school girls with a new pair of shoes.
Go back a few more years and there was this, the '87 Olds Aerotech ST:
(https://www.supercars.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Screenshot-2015-12-28-14.01.34.png)
Good design is good design, but it is a bit cheap to rehash what's already been done. The XJ220 came from a clean sheet; the Speedtail.... "drew from a source of influences". It won't serve as a reference point like the XJ220 or cars of that era.
But neither will the Senna, because it's fucking hideous. As I said before; aerodynamics are no excuse for ugliness in a street car free of homologation and cost constraints.....
XJ220 definitely had design influences...
This was built in the late 30s:
https://landspeedrecord.org/railton-mobil-special-john-cobb/
(https://landspeedrecord.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/napier-railton-special-john-cobb.jpg)
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 28, 2018, 10:32:50 AM
Good design is good design, but it is a bit cheap to rehash what's already been done. The XJ220 came from a clean sheet; the Speedtail.... "drew from a source of influences". It won't serve as a reference point like the XJ220 or cars of that era.
But neither will the Senna, because it's fucking hideous. As I said before; aerodynamics are no excuse for ugliness in a street car free of homologation and cost constraints.....
The XJ was clearly inspired by a number of things as well, from the classic E-type to many of the mid engined supercars of the '70s and '80s.
The speedtail was probably inspired by its own big brother, the F1 longtail:
(https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/mclaren-f1-gtr-longtail-is-a-fine-racecar-looking-for-a-new-owner-video-photo-gallery_19.jpg)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 28, 2018, 07:58:33 AM
You see, good design is not a fad, or a season's fashion. Calling something old is the level of criticism one expects from junior high school girls with a new pair of shoes.
Getting so personal on the internet is what one expects from a preteen girl
Quote from: r0tor on October 28, 2018, 03:10:11 PM
Getting so personal on the internet is what one expects from a preteen girl
Did you take that personally? I apologize.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEGth4SKv-c
Quote from: Galaxy on October 29, 2018, 02:03:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEGth4SKv-c
Junk. Shit design.
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 29, 2018, 03:27:54 PM
Junk. Shit design.
Not junk, just massively lazy like the Senna
Quote from: r0tor on October 29, 2018, 04:30:37 PM
Not junk, just massively lazy like the Senna
So building a car that is the fastest at 0-300kph is lazy? Sheesh.
The highly publicized aero is lazy. The F1 hit 240 mph with 400 less hp 20 years ago.
The Aston Martin Valkyeri is trying to hit 240-250 mph with the same ~1000hp while also making 4,000 lbs of downforce and being as fast on a track as a LMP1 race car. Now that is impressive.
Quote from: r0tor on October 29, 2018, 07:09:32 PM
The highly publicized aero is lazy. The F1 hit 240 mph with 400 less hp 20 years ago.
The Aston Martin Valkyeri is trying to hit 240-250 mph with the same ~1000hp while also making 4,000 lbs of downforce and being as fast on a track as a LMP1 race car. Now that is impressive.
How many people on Earth can drive an LMP1 car at speed, and how many of them are in the market for this car?
In other words, who cares? Valkyeri vs this demonstrate that (thankfully) people who appreciate good design far outnumber bench racers, which is positive.
The number of people that can handle the car is probably close to the number of people that could afford the car... But not necessarily the same people.
The speedtail and Senna is just plain lazy. McLaren is producing a handful of these types of models without really breaking any new ground. It's just cashing in on their brand with the uber rich.
I don't see anything different than what Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc all do.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 30, 2018, 07:33:38 AM
I don't see anything different than what Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc all do.
For $2 million?
Quote from: r0tor on October 30, 2018, 07:07:15 AM
The number of people that can handle the car is probably close to the number of people that could afford the car... But not necessarily the same people.
The speedtail and Senna is just plain lazy. McLaren is producing a handful of these types of models without really breaking any new ground. It's just cashing in on their brand with the uber rich.
What new ground has a Valkyrie broken, and how is it not Aston Martin cashing in on their brand with the uber rich? :confused:
Speedtail is the first 7 figure car that generates interest with something outside of meaningless specs. "Valkyrie generates more downforce than an LMP1 car!!!!" OK, and? Would be nice to enjoy a car somewhere other than Eau Rouge
Most interesting thing about the Valkyrie is by far the engine, not downforce next to nobody can utilize
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 30, 2018, 11:08:21 AM
What new ground has a Valkyrie broken, and how is it not Aston Martin cashing in on their brand with the uber rich?
Speedtail is the first 7 figure car that generates interest with something outside of meaningless specs. "Valkyrie generates more downforce than an LMP1 car!!!!" OK, and? Would be nice to enjoy a car somewhere other than Eau Rouge
Most interesting thing about the Valkyrie is by far the engine, not downforce next to nobody can utilize
The valkyrei is 1100hp and weighs the same as an Mx5, looks incredible, and will kick the shit out of any road going car thanks to its chassis, aero, and weight.
It's clearly taken road car to the next level.
All the speedtail has is 20+ year old styling and a badge.
Looks, and aero wise I would also prefer the Valkyrie, engine wise the Mercedes-AMG One.
But you are forgetting one thing, McLaren is selling this as a GT car. It will probably still be able to blow anything off the road with the exception of the Valkyrie, One, it's Senna sibling, and perhaps some of the Koenigsegg cars. Yet at the same time, from what I can tell from the McLaren statements, the Speedtail can be comfortably driven from sea to shining sea. I am assuming that the Valkyrie and One can not.
Quote from: Galaxy on October 30, 2018, 03:20:09 PM
Yet at the same time, from what I can tell from the McLaren statements, the Speedtail can be comfortably driven from sea to shining sea.
... At the same speed as the Toyota Camry next to you...
Quote from: r0tor on October 30, 2018, 07:33:24 PM
... At the same speed as the Toyota Camry next to you...
And the same speed as the Valkyrie. :huh:
Valkyrie will make more downforce! Very important in traffic!!!!!
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 31, 2018, 07:13:47 AM
Valkyrie will make more downforce! Very important in traffic!!!!!
It's easier to find a place to go 100-150 mph (most tracks, some countries) and experience downforce then to get time on the 1 or 2 facilities in the world you could actually hit 250mph in the Speedtail
Bruh if you don't want to buy it, that's ok. They're sold out anyway.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 31, 2018, 11:11:41 AM
Bruh if you don't want to buy it, that's ok. They're sold out anyway.
+1
This is a silly argument.
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 31, 2018, 11:14:25 AM
+1
This is a silly argument.
Its an argument over which poster to buy to hang over the bunk bed, that's all.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 31, 2018, 11:11:41 AM
Bruh if you don't want to buy it, that's ok. They're sold out anyway.
If you have nothing to contribute, why post
Quote from: r0tor on October 31, 2018, 11:20:50 AM
If you have nothing to contribute, why post
Nobody is "contributing" anything. This is an argument of opinion/desire and paper racing.
Quote from: r0tor on October 31, 2018, 11:20:50 AM
If you have nothing to contribute, why post
I've contributed a couple posts on page 1 showing the history of aerodynamics and how to go fast. More than you've done.
Quote from: r0tor on October 31, 2018, 11:20:50 AM
If you have nothing to contribute, why post
Odd question to ask; you've done nothing but detract and distract from this thread. Speedtail = looks good. Valkyrie = ugly. Not much else to discuss as looking at these cars is about all anyone here will get to do with them.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 31, 2018, 11:44:41 AM
Odd question to ask; you've done nothing but detract and distract from this thread. Speedtail = looks good. Valkyrie = ugly. Not much else to discuss as looking at these cars is about all anyone here will get to do with them.
It's called expressing an opinion... Pretty much the reason for a web forum
Quote from: r0tor on October 31, 2018, 12:14:07 PM
It's called expressing an opinion... Pretty much the reason for a web forum
Then stop trying to play referee when others do the same, hypocrite.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 31, 2018, 12:29:17 PM
Then stop trying to play referee when others do the same, hypocrite.
Such as... :huh:
Well this thread has been r0tor-rooter'd.
Speedtail is the most desirable car-I'll-never-be-able-to-afford in quite some time
Thats about the only meaningful metric to evaluate such cars
https://www.motor1.com/news/274356/aston-martin-valkyrie-new-images/
Irrelevant to this thread and automotive enthusiasts in general.
Still, beyond gorgeous...
(https://i.postimg.cc/d3FpNCcB/aston-martin-valkyrie.jpg)