McLaren Speedtail

[r0tor]

You see, good design is not a fad, or a season's fashion. Calling something old is the level of criticism one expects from junior high school girls with a new pair of shoes.

Getting so personal on the internet is what one expects from a preteen girl

[Soup DeVille]

Getting so personal on the internet is what one expects from a preteen girl

Did you take that personally? I apologize.

[Galaxy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEGth4SKv-c

[giant_mtb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEGth4SKv-c

Junk.  Shit design.

[r0tor]

Junk.  Shit design.

Not junk, just massively lazy like the Senna

[giant_mtb]

Not junk, just massively lazy like the Senna

So building a car that is the fastest at 0-300kph is lazy?  Sheesh.

[r0tor]

The highly publicized aero is lazy.  The F1 hit 240 mph with 400 less hp 20 years ago.

The Aston Martin Valkyeri is trying to hit 240-250 mph with the same ~1000hp while also making 4,000 lbs of downforce and being as fast on a track as a LMP1 race car.  Now that is impressive.

[12,000 RPM]

The highly publicized aero is lazy.  The F1 hit 240 mph with 400 less hp 20 years ago.

The Aston Martin Valkyeri is trying to hit 240-250 mph with the same ~1000hp while also making 4,000 lbs of downforce and being as fast on a track as a LMP1 race car.  Now that is impressive.

How many people on Earth can drive an LMP1 car at speed, and how many of them are in the market for this car?

In other words, who cares? Valkyeri vs this demonstrate that (thankfully) people who appreciate good design far outnumber bench racers, which is positive.

[r0tor]

The number of people that can handle the car is probably close to the number of people that could afford the car... But not necessarily the same people.

The speedtail and Senna is just plain lazy.  McLaren is producing a handful of these types of models without really breaking any new ground.   It's just cashing in on their brand with the uber rich.

[CaminoRacer]

I don't see anything different than what Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc all do.

[r0tor]

I don't see anything different than what Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc all do.

For $2 million?

[12,000 RPM]

The number of people that can handle the car is probably close to the number of people that could afford the car... But not necessarily the same people.

The speedtail and Senna is just plain lazy.  McLaren is producing a handful of these types of models without really breaking any new ground.   It's just cashing in on their brand with the uber rich.

What new ground has a Valkyrie broken, and how is it not Aston Martin cashing in on their brand with the uber rich?

Speedtail is the first 7 figure car that generates interest with something outside of meaningless specs. "Valkyrie generates more downforce than an LMP1 car!!!!" OK, and? Would be nice to enjoy a car somewhere other than Eau Rouge

Most interesting thing about the Valkyrie is by far the engine, not downforce next to nobody can utilize

[r0tor]

What new ground has a Valkyrie broken, and how is it not Aston Martin cashing in on their brand with the uber rich?

Speedtail is the first 7 figure car that generates interest with something outside of meaningless specs. "Valkyrie generates more downforce than an LMP1 car!!!!" OK, and? Would be nice to enjoy a car somewhere other than Eau Rouge

Most interesting thing about the Valkyrie is by far the engine, not downforce next to nobody can utilize

The valkyrei is 1100hp and weighs the same as an Mx5, looks incredible, and will kick the shit out of any road going car thanks to its chassis, aero, and weight.

It's clearly taken road car to the next level.

All the speedtail has is 20+ year old styling and a badge.

[Galaxy]

Looks, and aero wise I would also prefer the Valkyrie, engine wise the Mercedes-AMG One.

But you are forgetting one thing, McLaren is selling this as a GT car. It will probably still be able to blow anything off the road with the exception of the Valkyrie, One, it's Senna sibling, and perhaps some of the Koenigsegg cars. Yet at the same time, from what I can tell from the McLaren statements, the Speedtail can be comfortably driven from sea to shining sea. I am assuming that the Valkyrie and One can not.

[r0tor]

Yet at the same time, from what I can tell from the McLaren statements, the Speedtail can be comfortably driven from sea to shining sea.

... At the same speed as the Toyota Camry next to you...

[Galaxy]

... At the same speed as the Toyota Camry next to you...

And the same speed as the Valkyrie. 

[12,000 RPM]

Valkyrie will make more downforce! Very important in traffic!!!!!

[r0tor]

Valkyrie will make more downforce! Very important in traffic!!!!!

It's easier to find a place to go 100-150 mph (most tracks, some countries) and experience downforce then to get time on the 1 or 2 facilities in the world you could actually hit 250mph in the Speedtail

[CaminoRacer]

Bruh if you don't want to buy it, that's ok. They're sold out anyway.

[giant_mtb]

Bruh if you don't want to buy it, that's ok. They're sold out anyway.

+1

This is a silly argument.

[Soup DeVille]

+1

This is a silly argument.

Its an argument over which poster to buy to hang over the bunk bed, that's all.

[r0tor]

Bruh if you don't want to buy it, that's ok. They're sold out anyway.

If you have nothing to contribute, why post

[giant_mtb]

If you have nothing to contribute, why post

Nobody is "contributing" anything.  This is an argument of opinion/desire and paper racing.

[CaminoRacer]

If you have nothing to contribute, why post

I've contributed a couple posts on page 1 showing the history of aerodynamics and how to go fast. More than you've done.

[12,000 RPM]

If you have nothing to contribute, why post

Odd question to ask; you've done nothing but detract and distract from this thread. Speedtail = looks good. Valkyrie = ugly. Not much else to discuss as looking at these cars is about all anyone here will get to do with them.

[r0tor]

Odd question to ask; you've done nothing but detract and distract from this thread. Speedtail = looks good. Valkyrie = ugly. Not much else to discuss as looking at these cars is about all anyone here will get to do with them.

It's called expressing an opinion... Pretty much the reason for a web forum

[Soup DeVille]

It's called expressing an opinion... Pretty much the reason for a web forum

Then stop trying to play referee when others do the same, hypocrite.

[r0tor]

Then stop trying to play referee when others do the same, hypocrite.

Such as... 

[AutobahnSHO]

Such as... 

If you have nothing to contribute, why post

[Payman]

Well this thread has been r0tor-rooter'd.