CarSPIN Forums

Auto Talk => The Fast Lane => Topic started by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 25, 2018, 07:28:09 PM

Title: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 25, 2018, 07:28:09 PM
I can't wait to see how much this thing is gonna cost......  :popcorn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G21UdP_5ww8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oFWjama3YU

http://andoniscars.blogspot.com/2018/03/new-corvette-in-colorado.html



Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on April 25, 2018, 07:44:29 PM
No manual.  :cry:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 25, 2018, 07:49:29 PM
Looks like the Camaro will be the sole survivor with a Manual....
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on April 25, 2018, 07:55:28 PM
I like the silver render, but C&D's not so much.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 25, 2018, 08:10:07 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on April 25, 2018, 07:55:28 PM
I like the silver render, but C&D's not so much.
I like The silver one better also!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on April 26, 2018, 06:53:03 AM
I hope they keep making the Stingray. There's gonna be a huge gap between this and the Camaro
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on April 26, 2018, 08:58:17 AM
I dig it.  Although is the massive air damn in front needed considering there is no actual engine up there? 

Are the no manual rumors confirmed?  That would be a great differentiation for this car vs its competitors and with Europe abandoning the manual, would make this car even more American.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 26, 2018, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: Xer0 on April 26, 2018, 08:58:17 AM
I dig it.  Although is the massive air damn in front needed considering there is no actual engine up there? 

Are the no manual rumors confirmed?  That would be a great differentiation for this car vs its competitors and with Europe abandoning the manual, would make this car even more American.
Yes it's been confirmed. GM is working on a Dual Clutch for it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 26, 2018, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 26, 2018, 06:53:03 AM
I hope they keep making the Stingray. There's gonna be a huge gap between this and the Camaro
It'll will be built alongside the C8 for a few years....
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on April 26, 2018, 10:45:20 AM
Pretty sure there'll always be a front engine Corvette. Although in 10 years it'll be a fucking SUV.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 26, 2018, 10:46:29 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on April 26, 2018, 10:45:20 AM
Pretty sure there'll always be a front engine Corvette. Although in 10 years it'll be a fucking SUV.
:lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on April 26, 2018, 10:55:23 AM
:lol: but also smh
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 68_427 on May 06, 2018, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on April 26, 2018, 10:32:18 AM
Yes it's been confirmed. GM is working on a Dual Clutch for it.

Pretty sure it'll have the M7 available
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 09, 2018, 01:51:37 PM
https://www.motor1.com/news/261838/mid-engined-chevy-corvette-spied/

(https://icdn-0.motor1.com/images/mgl/AYN2N/s3/mid-engine-corvette-c8r-race-car-spy-photos.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on August 09, 2018, 02:07:46 PM
Whoa, that looks good.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 68_427 on August 09, 2018, 03:34:57 PM
Sounds terrible though
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 09, 2018, 04:13:39 PM
That's the racing version. I must say, the side intake design is intriguing.  :hmm:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 09, 2018, 05:32:17 PM
SEXY!

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 13, 2018, 04:17:15 PM
My guess is the red one is the closest, which would be fantastic, IMHO.

https://carbuzz.com/news/this-is-the-best-2020-mid-engine-c8-corvette-rendering-so-far
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 13, 2018, 07:14:01 PM
That Red one is Sexy!!! I want to see how the Soft Top versions will look...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on August 14, 2018, 07:49:14 AM
Wowzers - if it is indeed the red one, GM will have a winner on its hands.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 14, 2018, 08:16:07 AM
I'm partial to the gun metal gray one.  It looks like a Corvette.  The red one looks more like a Ferrari...not that that's a bad thing, but.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on August 14, 2018, 10:02:33 AM
The Yellow one, I think, is closer to the camo one pictured.  The Red one is nice, but has a truncated tail.  The gun metal, imo, looks the nicest.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 14, 2018, 11:55:10 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 14, 2018, 08:16:07 AM
I'm partial to the gun metal gray one.  It looks like a Corvette.  The red one looks more like a Ferrari...not that that's a bad thing, but.

Yeah it's nice, but we know what the side intake shape is, and it ain't that.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 14, 2018, 12:47:00 PM
I'm a little bummed with the move to MR. I feel like part of the Corvette's identity has been lost.

They all look great, but change the fascia on them and they could be anything. Hopefully they keep the C7 around
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 14, 2018, 12:57:04 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 14, 2018, 12:47:00 PM
I'm a little bummed with the move to MR. I feel like part of the Corvette's identity has been lost.

They all look great, but change the fascia on them and they could be anything. Hopefully they keep the C7 around

A mid-engine 'Vette has been teased and appeared as show cars since the '50s. This will complement the front-engine models in the Corvette lineup. Stingray, GrandSport, Z06, ZR-1, and whatever they call this one. Think of Ferrari, which has both FE and ME models in its lineup.

Yes, technically Corvette isn't a separate marque, but it sort of always been one within the industry. Plans were in the works to have Corvette/Cadillac/Hummer premium dealerships, before the '08-'09 recession and bankruptcy.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 14, 2018, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 14, 2018, 12:57:04 PM
Yes, technically Corvette isn't a separate marque, but it sort of always been one within the industry. Plans were in the works to have Corvette/Cadillac/Hummer premium dealerships, before the '08-'09 recession and bankruptcy.
Me and my Uncle Roy (Roberts) who was a big wig at GM (Vice President) for years talked about this last September. He's the one that got the ball rolling on Hummer and he also Had a hand in hiring Ed Wilborn. He said GM was close making Corvette a premium SEPARATE Brand.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 14, 2018, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on August 14, 2018, 01:07:40 PM
Me and my Uncle Roy (Roberts) who was a big wig at GM (Vice President) for years talked about this last September. He's the one that got the ball rolling on Hummer and he also Had a hand in hiring Ed Wilborn. He said GM was close making Corvette a premium SEPARATE Brand.

I'm glad they didn't. Chrysler was dumb to make RAM separate from Dodge
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 68_427 on August 14, 2018, 03:33:14 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 14, 2018, 02:46:48 PM
I'm glad they didn't. Chrysler was dumb to make RAM separate from Dodge

That was to skirt the EPA I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 15, 2018, 06:28:40 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 14, 2018, 02:46:48 PM
I'm glad they didn't. Chrysler was dumb to make RAM separate from Dodge
IDK.... I'm still of the mind that Corvette and Escalade could stand on their own, and be more easily expanded out

Every Cadillac crossover should be a riff off the Escalade
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 15, 2018, 09:53:35 AM
To people that aren't fully educated on vehicles as we are...does putting something like an Escalade on its own as its own "brand" really make a difference?  I mean...do most people understand that an Escalade is a Tahoe?  Splitting everything into its own "brand" doesn't make a lick of difference.  An Escalade is an Escalade, whether it has the word "Cadillac" in front of it or not...it's still built by GM in the same factory.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 15, 2018, 10:41:42 AM
The success of the Mercedes CLA shows the power of branding. Today, "Escalade" means more than "Cadillac", which warrants leveraging IMO.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 15, 2018, 10:46:34 AM
Well, I suppose people are easily duped by branding.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 15, 2018, 11:04:02 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 15, 2018, 10:41:42 AM
The success of the Mercedes CLA shows the power of branding. Today, "Escalade" means more than "Cadillac", which warrants leveraging IMO.

Has that ever worked?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 68_427 on August 15, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
I bet there's more people that know what an Escalade is than people who know it's a Cadillac.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 16, 2018, 06:21:48 AM
So, how are we looking at this...

a) $150,000 (assumption) for a Chevy??? Nobody's going to buy this!

b) This is basically a more reliable, better built, and more fuel efficient Huracan, at half the cost!

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 16, 2018, 06:31:58 AM
$150K would be insane. I could see these starting in the 5 figure range, killing off the C7 Z06 and taking over that space in the Corvette lineup.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 16, 2018, 11:12:18 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 16, 2018, 06:31:58 AM
$150K would be insane. I could see these starting in the 5 figure range, killing off the C7 Z06 and taking over that space in the Corvette lineup.

Why?

The Ford GT is $400k and the ZR-1 is faster than it on some tracks. I would expect this mid engine one will be even faster, so why would it be cheaper?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 16, 2018, 11:18:27 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 16, 2018, 11:12:18 AM
Why?

The Ford GT is $400k and the ZR-1 is faster than it on some tracks. I would expect this mid engine one will be even faster, so why would it be cheaper?

The current Ford GT is a ripoff. With a V6 of all things. The prior '04-'06 had the right price at ~$150,000. I'm with the new ME 'Vette up to this price point, maybe a little more. If it's priced at 488 and Huracan levels, the business model falls apart.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 16, 2018, 11:35:03 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 16, 2018, 11:18:27 AM
The current Ford GT is a ripoff. With a V6 of all things. The prior '04-'06 had the right price at ~$150,000. I'm with the new ME 'Vette up to this price point, maybe a little more. If it's priced at 488 and Huracan levels, the business model falls apart.

My last sentence probably wasn't clear - I meant why would the ME be cheaper than the ZR-1. Definitely shouldn't be $400k like the Ford GT unless it has major performance and limited numbers.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 16, 2018, 11:37:44 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 16, 2018, 11:35:03 AM
My last sentence probably wasn't clear - I meant why would the ME be cheaper than the ZR-1. Definitely shouldn't be $400k like the Ford GT unless it has major performance and limited numbers.

Ah... gotcha.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 16, 2018, 11:41:01 AM
I think starting at $140k and going up to $170k is likely.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2018, 08:38:20 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 16, 2018, 11:12:18 AM
Why?

The Ford GT is $400k and the ZR-1 is faster than it on some tracks. I would expect this mid engine one will be even faster, so why would it be cheaper?
As far as speed goes they're saying the base engine will be a 600HP V8.... a hair less than the Z06 so that seems fair

There are a few problems with the $150K base price outside of that.... for starters it's a 200% increase. I don't think any car has successfully done that in one generation, even something this iconic

Secondly the $150K sports car space is fucking stacked.... GT-R NISMO, AMG GT, 911 GTS/GT3/Turbo, V8 Vantage, etc... most of which will be about as capable while having way more pedigree. This is not a rational space, plus most people can't drive so the added performance is just for dick waving anyway. Now in the $100K space there's a huge opportunity... all you can get there are base 911s and 718s with painted center consoles. But the whole "cheap supercar killer" thing has been done so many times I think GM needs a new angle for this. ZR1 is faster than a lot of more expensive and higher pedigreed cars. Does anyone really care? We know the formula, that problem has been solved.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 08:43:49 AM
:wtf:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 17, 2018, 08:47:47 AM
200% increase over what??? This is the first mid-engine American made supercar besides the current Ford GT since the GT of '04-'06, which also started at $150,000 (more like $175k today). This isn't a tarted up current Corvette. It's an all new exotic using 'Vette mechanicals and branding. In any case, $150k is a guess. It might be $120,000, and it might be Ford GT money.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on August 17, 2018, 09:10:37 AM
I read the base engine will be the Vette's current 6.2L.  At the top end this thing will probably be expensive with the new TT V8, all the active aero they just patented, trick shocks, carbon ceramic brakes, torque vectoring, and whatever GM packages in.  But base probably won't be too bad, imo, I'm guessing around 100K, probably less.  I don't think GM is stupid to price this thing at more than a 911 to start.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2018, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 17, 2018, 08:47:47 AM
200% increase over what??? This is the first mid-engine American made supercar besides the current Ford GT since the GT of '04-'06, which also started at $150,000 (more like $175k today). This isn't a tarted up current Corvette. It's an all new exotic using 'Vette mechanicals and branding. In any case, $150k is a guess. It might be $120,000, and it might be Ford GT money.
It's replacing the Stingray isn't it? And it will be called the Corvette, correct? Yes I know this is going to be all new and mid-engined yadda yadda. But at the end of the day it's still called a Corvette, for better or worse.

This may be an instance in which the Cadillac brand could be put to good use. I think a $150K+ Cadillac will be more palatable than a $150K+ Chevrolet (that isn't a Silverado)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 17, 2018, 11:20:32 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2018, 11:15:13 AM
It's replacing the Stingray isn't it? And it will be called the Corvette, correct? Yes I know this is going to be all new and mid-engined yadda yadda. But at the end of the day it's still called a Corvette, for better or worse.

This may be an instance in which the Cadillac brand could be put to good use. I think a $150K+ Cadillac will be more palatable than a $150K+ Chevrolet (that isn't a Silverado)

What??? No! Who said it's replacing the Stingray, or any of the other 'Vette models? Did you gloss over the entire thread without reading anything?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2018, 11:15:13 AM
This may be an instance in which the Cadillac brand could be put to good use. I think a $150K+ Cadillac will be more palatable than a $150K+ Chevrolet (that isn't a Silverado)

They already tried putting Cadillac on a Corvette.  Barely cracked 15k sales.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--GE72wdqs--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/mtrd8s1dl95jxku2yrxh.jpg)

I don't really understand your obsession with the brand name.  "If it costs $XX, it should be a Cadillac!"  That's silly, man.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on August 17, 2018, 11:43:00 AM
Cadillac has zero brand equity among the demographic that can drop $150k+ on a car.

Chevrolet might be a mass market brand, but Corvettes do have a long and celebrated history that will appeal to rich enthusiasts. But Cadillac? Not classy enough for the snobs, and no H&H for the cognoscenti.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 17, 2018, 11:44:26 AM
Cadillac still hasn't proven it can be a 6-figure car. Corvette has by routinely beating them.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 17, 2018, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: Laconian on August 17, 2018, 11:43:00 AM
Cadillac has zero brand equity among the demographic that can drop $150k+ on a car.

Chevrolet might be a mass market brand, but Corvettes do have a long and celebrated history that will appeal to rich enthusiasts. But Cadillac? Not classy enough for the snobs, and no H&H for the cognoscenti.

You run out of Italian-Americans at that price level, and there's only so many rappers around.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2018, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 17, 2018, 11:20:32 AM
What??? No! Who said it's replacing the Stingray, or any of the other 'Vette models? Did you gloss over the entire thread without reading anything?

The most we got in this thread is that they might keep building the C7 for a few years, and that you "hope" they do.

Being that this is the C8, and previous Corvette chassis' replaced each other, why is it so insane to you to think the C8 will be the C7's replacement? If they were going to be built alongside each other it seems rational that they'd move to a different chassis code (i.e. CM1).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 17, 2018, 12:48:52 PM
Do we even know it's a "C8"? It's just what everyone's calling it AFAIK
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 17, 2018, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 17, 2018, 11:20:32 AM
What??? No! Who said it's replacing the Stingray, or any of the other 'Vette models? Did you gloss over the entire thread without reading anything?
I'm pretty sure it's replacing the C7. GM says the current model will built along side the C8 for 2-3 years but after that the front engine Vette goes away for good. With the Camaro being so close in performance to the C7 I think GM is gonna let it handle "Front Engined Duties". As far as price I'm willing to bet the C8 starts in the 90-100K range.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2018, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 17, 2018, 12:48:52 PM
Do we even know it's a "C8"? It's just what everyone's calling it AFAIK

That's fair, I thought of that as I posted that.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 17, 2018, 01:12:04 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/mid-engine-chevrolet-corvette-c8-wild-active-aero-patents
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on August 17, 2018, 05:03:12 PM
If they want to charge $150k for this thing, I think they would be better calling this a Zora rather than a Corvette... Would be easier to sell starting with a blank slate
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 17, 2018, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: r0tor on August 17, 2018, 05:03:12 PM
If they want to charge $150k for this thing, I think they would be better calling this a Zora rather than a Corvette... Would be easier to sell starting with a blank slate

How? No one knows what a Zora is. Corvette has lots of H&H
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on August 17, 2018, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 17, 2018, 05:59:17 PM
How? No one knows what a Zora is. Corvette has lots of H&H

Corvette has the history and heritage of being a budget performance car... Not what you want to go after the $150k price range
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on August 17, 2018, 06:21:41 PM
ZR-1 is $135k+
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 17, 2018, 06:34:15 PM
Quote from: r0tor on August 17, 2018, 06:20:21 PM
Corvette has the history and heritage of being a budget performance car... Not what you want to go after the $150k price range
The base car won't start that high!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: r0tor on August 17, 2018, 06:20:21 PM
Corvette has the history and heritage of being a budget performance car... Not what you want to go after the $150k price range

Ummm.  A Corvette starts at $55.5k.  It's not exactly "budget."  Chevy has the Camaro for the budget-minded enthusiast.  It's budget in the sense that it can match cars much more expensive than itself.  But to that end, I imagine a $150k Corvette would do the same to its more expensive counterparts.  :huh:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 17, 2018, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 06:40:45 PM
.  But to that end, I imagine a $150k Corvette would do the same to its more expensive counterparts.  :huh:

Exactly
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2018, 08:31:59 PM
I'm just not sold....

Again for $150K... there is a library of serious competitors I imagine a lot of people would choose over this. And if it's at $150K with the LT1 it's going to get its lunch taken by pretty much everything

Even at $100K, 911 C2 is quick with pedigree; GT-R is quick; people who liked that the Z06 won't be happy with the drop in performance with the LT1

Acura tried to play this game with the new NSX and lost. GM already took a huge loss taking advice from auto journalists with the Alpha Caddys. If they do this they should definitely keep the FR Stingray and Grand Sport around as a hedge.

Camaro is no substitute either. Yes they generate the numbers but they are like armored trucks compared to a C7. C7 is the perfect bridge between the Camaro and C8.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on August 17, 2018, 08:55:26 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on August 17, 2018, 06:21:41 PM
ZR-1 is $135k+

and I don't think it sells very well... and it barely out performs the lesser models
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on August 17, 2018, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 06:40:45 PM
Ummm.  A Corvette starts at $55.5k.  It's not exactly "budget."  Chevy has the Camaro for the budget-minded enthusiast.  It's budget in the sense that it can match cars much more expensive than itself.  But to that end, I imagine a $150k Corvette would do the same to its more expensive counterparts.  :huh:

Every time it is compared to a 911 or other supercar, it most certainly is championed as the budget choice.

... also these days $55k isn't exactly super pricey in a world where 4wd pickup trucks are the best sellers and are easily in that neighborhood
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 09:34:43 PM
Quote from: r0tor on August 17, 2018, 08:57:50 PM
Every time it is compared to a 911 or other supercar, it most certainly is championed as the budget choice.

... also these days $55k isn't exactly super pricey in a world where 4wd pickup trucks are the best sellers and are easily in that neighborhood

Did you read what I said?  Apparently not.

Quote from: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 06:40:45 PM
It's budget in the sense that it can match cars much more expensive than itself.

And, no, people on a "budget" aren't spending $55k on a truck.  Unless they're taking 401k loans or leasing.  A double-cab Silvy with 4WD is 37.5.  I dunno what percentage of 'Vettes are leases, but I imagine a lot of them are actually purchased (whether in cash or through a loan).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 18, 2018, 04:15:47 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2018, 08:31:59 PM
I'm just not sold....

Again for $150K... there is a library of serious competitors I imagine a lot of people would choose over this. And if it's at $150K with the LT1 it's going to get its lunch taken by pretty much everything

Even at $100K, 911 C2 is quick with pedigree; GT-R is quick; people who liked that the Z06 won't be happy with the drop in performance with the LT1

Acura tried to play this game with the new NSX and lost. GM already took a huge loss taking advice from auto journalists with the Alpha Caddys. If they do this they should definitely keep the FR Stingray and Grand Sport around as a hedge.

Camaro is no substitute either. Yes they generate the numbers but they are like armored trucks compared to a C7. C7 is the perfect bridge between the Camaro and C8.

I do agree if they phase out the FE Corvette it will be a terrible mistake.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on August 18, 2018, 06:47:14 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 17, 2018, 09:34:43 PM
Did you read what I said?  Apparently not.

And, no, people on a "budget" aren't spending $55k on a truck.  Unless they're taking 401k loans or leasing.  A double-cab Silvy with 4WD is 37.5.  I dunno what percentage of 'Vettes are leases, but I imagine a lot of them are actually purchased (whether in cash or through a loan).

At 150k the thing needs to be the best performing, best put together, and best looking inside and outside... Plus has the public image of being the best.  The competition is huge at this price.

The vette has a great performance image, but always qualified "for its price" and build quality given a pass because of its price.  Why would you try to enter this price range with budget minded baggage?

A clean slate is just better for this
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 18, 2018, 07:59:26 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 18, 2018, 04:15:47 AM
I do agree if they phase out the FE Corvette it will be a terrible mistake.

Agreed 100%.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 18, 2018, 08:00:20 AM
Quote from: r0tor on August 18, 2018, 06:47:14 AM
At 150k the thing needs to be the best performing, best put together, and best looking inside and outside... Plus has the public image of being the best.  The competition is huge at this price.

The vette has a great performance image, but always qualified "for its price" and build quality given a pass because of its price.  Why would you try to enter this price range with budget minded baggage?

A clean slate is just better for this


Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree to be honest. It's gonna be interesting to see where this thing lands itself.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on August 18, 2018, 09:43:20 AM
Quote from: r0tor on August 18, 2018, 06:47:14 AM
At 150k the thing needs to be the best performing, best put together, and best looking inside and outside... Plus has the public image of being the best.  The competition is huge at this price.

The vette has a great performance image, but always qualified "for its price" and build quality given a pass because of its price.  Why would you try to enter this price range with budget minded baggage?

A clean slate is just better for this


If the product is good, none of that will likely matter - look at the resurgence of previous mediocre nameplates - Camaro, Sonata, Fusion, etc., the collapse of others - Taurus, Escort, Neon, etc., and the sustaining of even more - Accord, Camry, Civic, etc., and it all had to do with quality of product.

The Corvette is of this ilk - unlike previous Corvettes, there are no credible systemic critiques of the C7, and given GM's recent huge success with tech and performance the C8 is logically predicted to be an excellent if not world class product.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on August 18, 2018, 10:04:34 AM
No critiques... When was the last time it won a comparo (especially if price was taken out)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 18, 2018, 02:04:24 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on August 18, 2018, 09:43:20 AM
If the product is good, none of that will likely matter - look at the resurgence of previous mediocre nameplates - Camaro, Sonata, Fusion, etc., the collapse of others - Taurus, Escort, Neon, etc., and the sustaining of even more - Accord, Camry, Civic, etc., and it all had to do with quality of product.

The Corvette is of this ilk - unlike previous Corvettes, there are no credible systemic critiques of the C7, and given GM's recent huge success with tech and performance the C8 is logically predicted to be an excellent if not world class product.
At the $150K price point quality and performance are prerequisites. It's about all the irrational intangibles at that price point. I don't know that the V8 rumble and :neverforget: patriotism you can get in a $40K Camaro will be enough.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 18, 2018, 02:44:59 PM
Dude it's not even announced yet and you're discrediting its performance? GM has been killing the performance car game for 5 years, why would you think their halo wouldn't kill it even more?

SCCA CAM Challenge East happened last weekend and some GM engineers showed up and won their class in 4 cylinder Camaro. They know their stuff and know how the make cars go
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 18, 2018, 04:56:28 PM
I am not discounting its performance. GM has a great track record in that arena. I'm questioning the business case of a $150K base Corvette. If this becomes a replacement for the Z06/ZR-1, makes all the sense in the world. If it replaces the C7 altogether, includinng the cheaper Stingrays that make up the bulk of its volume, hell no. C7 Stingray's position is one of its greatest assets for GM... it has no competition in the $50-60K range.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on September 06, 2018, 03:03:08 PM
My buddy that works at GM texted me.  Said he has seen it without camo and physically worked on it himself and that I will cream my jeans when I see it. :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 06, 2018, 06:44:46 PM
I haven't been this excited over a reveal since the Miata some 4 years ago.

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 07, 2018, 09:38:24 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 06, 2018, 03:03:08 PM
My buddy that works at GM texted me.  Said he has seen it without camo and physically worked on it himself and that I will cream my jeans when I see it. :lol:
:cheers:

Quote from: Rockraven on September 06, 2018, 06:44:46 PM
I haven't been this excited over a reveal since the Miata some 4 years ago.
:rage: No Miata talk in Corvette Thread!!!!!  :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on September 07, 2018, 09:42:01 AM
Any speculation on the transmission?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 07, 2018, 09:58:02 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on September 07, 2018, 09:42:01 AM
Any speculation on the transmission?

I bet it'll have one.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 08, 2018, 09:29:41 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on September 07, 2018, 09:42:01 AM
Any speculation on the transmission?
No manual is planned.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on September 13, 2018, 12:10:33 PM
Interesting read...https://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/concepts-prototypes-inspired-mid-engine-c8-corvette#1 (https://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/concepts-prototypes-inspired-mid-engine-c8-corvette#1)

10 Cars That Paved the Way for the Mid-Engined C8 Corvette

The should've listened to Zora sooner.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 13, 2018, 12:43:29 PM
I actually had a dream/nightmare last night that I pre-ordered ser #001, and the asshole at the dealership tore the side off it backing it off the transporter.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on September 13, 2018, 12:44:05 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 07, 2018, 09:58:02 AM
I bet it'll have one.

:lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 09, 2018, 06:24:36 AM
Murmurs of an exotic base price....

https://jalopnik.com/what-if-the-mid-engine-corvette-costs-170-000-1830306168

Hmmm, $170K on a GT3 Touring, McLaren, Lambo, Aston Martin...... or Chevrolet. Tough choice
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 09, 2018, 06:34:48 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 09, 2018, 06:24:36 AM
Murmurs of an exotic base price....

https://jalopnik.com/what-if-the-mid-engine-corvette-costs-170-000-1830306168

Hmmm, $170K on a GT3 Touring, McLaren, Lambo, Aston Martin...... or Chevrolet. Tough choice

Pure speculation. What McLaren or Lambo model comes in at the $170k price point? But yeah. if it ends up being that high it'll be a tough sell against the GT3, NSX and Audi R8.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 68_427 on November 09, 2018, 08:04:15 AM
In the US the 540c is under 200k, and possibly the 2wd huracan if you get it with no options
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 09, 2018, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 09, 2018, 06:24:36 AM
Murmurs of an exotic base price....

https://jalopnik.com/what-if-the-mid-engine-corvette-costs-170-000-1830306168

Hmmm, $170K on a GT3 Touring, McLaren, Lambo, Aston Martin...... or Chevrolet. Tough choice

Or $400k for a Ford!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on November 09, 2018, 10:11:20 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 09, 2018, 09:53:26 AM
Or $400k for a Ford!
Starting at $450k, and worth every penny. :praise:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 09, 2018, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 09, 2018, 10:11:20 AM
Starting at $450k, and worth every penny. :praise:
But it can't out lap a C7 ZR1.....   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 09, 2018, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 09, 2018, 06:24:36 AM
Murmurs of an exotic base price....

https://jalopnik.com/what-if-the-mid-engine-corvette-costs-170-000-1830306168

Hmmm, $170K on a GT3 Touring, McLaren, Lambo, Aston Martin...... or Chevrolet. Tough choice
I still think it'll base right around 70K
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 68_427 on November 09, 2018, 03:37:22 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on November 09, 2018, 03:29:44 PM
I still think it'll base right around 70K

Eventually.  Launch spec cars will probably be Z06 equivalent and be priced far north of 100k.  Eventually it'll base under 100, but not until the C7 is phased out completely in a few years.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 09, 2018, 04:40:47 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on November 09, 2018, 03:29:44 PM
I still think it'll base right around 70K

That would be fantastic, but not realistic IMHO. Unless... your GM sources have let something slip?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 09, 2018, 04:42:38 PM
My guess is $125k-ish model at launch.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 10, 2018, 11:31:58 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on November 09, 2018, 04:40:47 PM
That would be fantastic, but not realistic IMHO. Unless... your GM sources have let something slip?
Ed Welborn (lead designer of the C7) and my Uncle Roy are close friends and my Uncle actually hired him at GM! Although Ed is retired he's still keeps up with the Corvette team. My Uncle said that Ed said the Team hinted at only a slight increase in price for the C8. I highly doubt the C8 will be priced close to the base C7 so I figure 70K which is 5 Grand higher than the C7 GS Base price.

Quote from: 68_427 on November 09, 2018, 03:37:22 PM
Eventually.  Launch spec cars will probably be Z06 equivalent and be priced far north of 100k.  Eventually it'll base under 100, but not until the C7 is phased out completely in a few years.
I willing to bet C7 production is gonna end soon as the C8 goes into production. I've been watching the numbers and GM is pumping out Vettes at a record pace. Actually the market is FLOODED with C7s (excluding the ZR1) right now. I think GM is doing this because it knows not everyone is gonna want the mid engine car. On the flip side it could also be because the price might be too high at launch like you said. I just can't see GM doing that tho......
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 10, 2018, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on November 10, 2018, 11:31:58 AM
Ed Welborn (lead designer of the C7) and my Uncle Roy are close friends and my Uncle actually hired him at GM! Although Ed is retired he's still keeps up with the Corvette team. My Uncle said that Ed said the Team hinted at only a slight increase in price for the C8. I highly doubt the C8 will be priced close to the base C7 so I figure 70K which is 5 Grand higher than the C7 GS Base price.
I willing to bet C7 production is gonna end soon as the C8 goes into production. I've been watching the numbers and GM is pumping out Vettes at a record pace. Actually the market is FLOODED with C7s (excluding the ZR1) right now. I think GM is doing this because it knows not everyone is gonna want the mid engine car. On the flip side it could also be because the price might be too high at launch like you said. I just can't see GM doing that tho......


I see the next C8 as the next front engine conventional Corvette, and the mid-engine model as a distinct lineage. Is that not correct?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 10, 2018, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on November 10, 2018, 11:54:50 AM
I see the next C8 as the next front engine conventional Corvette, and the mid-engine model as a distinct lineage. Is that not correct?
From what I've read/heard front engine production will end. Thats part of the reason for the long model year for '19 C7s. The plant will be shut down and retooled for the C8. So both cars will not be built at the same time.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 10, 2018, 12:19:19 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on November 10, 2018, 11:59:24 AM
From what I've read/heard front engine production will end. Thats part of the reason for the long model year for '19 C7s. The plant will be shut down and retooled for the C8. So both cars will not be built at the same time.

If that's true, then that means a sub $70k mid engine Corvette. I don't think (at least hope) GM will abandon the 'Vette's value playground of $55-75k. This excites me. I'll be able to afford this.

Goddamn it, give me a 7 speed manual stripper model, and I'll make sure I'll afford it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 10, 2018, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on November 10, 2018, 12:19:19 PM
If that's true, then that means a sub $70k mid engine Corvette. I don't think (at least hope) GM will abandon the 'Vette's value playground of $55-75k. This excites me. I'll be able to afford this.

Goddamn it, give me a 7 speed manual stripper model, and I'll make sure I'll afford it.
Exactly! But no manual version is planned.........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on November 10, 2018, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on November 10, 2018, 12:19:19 PM
If that's true, then that means a sub $70k mid engine Corvette. I don't think (at least hope) GM will abandon the 'Vette's value playground of $55-75k.

Maybe it is their plan for the Camaro to take over the lower price point?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 10, 2018, 01:34:49 PM
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb199/TWOBIGHEDZ/3AAEF971-0CE6-4454-A70A-E513D9FEF107_zpse7nrl1wc.jpg)

(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/bb199/TWOBIGHEDZ/E2F30FD0-3F0B-47D6-BAF9-6D46492B878C_zpsboa3emh0.jpg)

(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/bb199/TWOBIGHEDZ/484A939A-96E8-48E4-BECE-E170B08188FA_zpsu3wcghak.jpg)
The rear car looks to be the Vert/Spyder verson to me! Placement of the rear view mirror camera is differant so I'm pretty sure it's vert.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 10, 2018, 01:48:39 PM
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2018/09/05/active-aero-patents-for-corvette-suggest-chevy-is-getting-tricky-with-downforce
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on November 10, 2018, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on November 10, 2018, 01:48:39 PM
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2018/09/05/active-aero-patents-for-corvette-suggest-chevy-is-getting-tricky-with-downforce

Kinda off topic, but I am seeing more and more articles from this Hagerty lately. As far as I can tell it seems to be a US insurance company. I guess they are also getting into journalism.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on November 10, 2018, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 09, 2018, 10:11:20 AM
Starting at $450k, and worth every penny. :praise:

Well...... The Ford GT uses the same transmission as the Mercedes GT, with the exact same gear ratios, but they charge twice as much.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a24794214/ford-gt-gearbox-sharing/

As R&T point it may be because Mercedes buys over 4,000 a year. That may explain the price, but on the other hand it is not as if Ford does not have any pricing power with Getrag. They could probably work out a discount for GT owners,  do to all the Focus DSGs that are failing .
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 10, 2018, 03:31:10 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on November 10, 2018, 03:22:55 PM
Kinda off topic, but I am seeing more and more articles from this Hagerty lately. As far as I can tell it seems to be a US insurance company. I guess they are also getting into journalism.

They're a classic car insurance company. They have a monthly magazine for their customers. Not sure if it's new or if it's just been advertised more recently
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 10, 2018, 06:00:13 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on November 10, 2018, 03:30:13 PM
Well...... The Ford GT uses the same transmission as the Mercedes GT, with the exact same gear ratios, but they charge twice as much.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a24794214/ford-gt-gearbox-sharing/

As R&T point it may be because Mercedes buys over 4,000 a year. That may explain the price, but on the other hand it is not as if Ford does not have any pricing power with Getrag. They could probably work out a discount for GT owners,  do to all the Focus DSGs that are failing .

I question whether it's truly the exact same transmission.  The Ford makes well more power and a bit more torque than the most potent version of the Benz.  Even though the transmissions are of the same product family, and even share ratios, the gears themselves may not be the same.  The Ford version may use stronger and more expensive materials.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 10, 2018, 06:06:32 PM
$70K mid engine Vette is going to be a game changer.

Thinking more about it, Vette is already standalone, so putting the engine in the middle shouldn't cost much more
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 10, 2018, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 10, 2018, 06:06:32 PM
$70K mid engine Vette is going to be a game changer.

Thinking more about it, Vette is already standalone, so putting the engine in the middle shouldn't cost much more

It's actually an easier setup than front engine/rear transaxle. The flaw with mid-engine is it pretty much limits the platform to 2 seats, and there's really nothing to share the platform with.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 10, 2018, 07:16:47 PM
I feel like the last Vette to share its platform was the C5... and the XLR hardly set the world on fire lol.

There's def an appetite for expensive Vettes, so $70K for this feels a lot more reasonable. Just hope they keep the pooprod in the base one
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 10, 2018, 07:26:46 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 10, 2018, 07:16:47 PM
I feel like the last Vette to share its platform was the C5... and the XLR hardly set the world on fire lol.

There's def an appetite for expensive Vettes, so $70K for this feels a lot more reasonable. Just hope they keep the pooprod in the base one
I'm pretty sure the LT1 (500hp) will be in the base car! I've seen some twin turbo set ups mentioned for the big dogs tho......
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: cawimmer430 on November 15, 2018, 04:13:45 PM
2020 Corvette C8: New Renderings Show Mid-Engine Supercar In Greater Detail, New Colors

The 2020 Chevrolet Corvette C8 may turn out to be the world's most speculatively rendered car of the year.

(https://images.carscoops.com/2018/11/2d195774-2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-renderings-7.jpg)

We totally get the hype behind the C8. After all, it's not every day that Chevrolet changes a 55-year-old formula and switches to a mid-engine layout. So until GM finally reveals the eighth-generation Corvette, you can be sure renderings will continue to flow. We've already shown you our own so today we bring you a new set of CGIs that caught our eye.

(https://images.carscoops.com/2018/11/0ec05521-2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-renderings-9.jpg)

We've come across these images on one of the many Corvette forums that populate the internet, the MidEngineCorvetteForum. That's where a user called Björn Daniel Svavarsson posted them. It's the same guy who gave us the spinning 360-degree video of the C8 Corvette about a month ago.

Svavarsson has now come up with several updated renderings that show a lot more detail than his video with the white Corvette C8. Based on spy shots of the mid-engined Vette, the new CGIs offer a clearer (albeit hypothetical) look at the headlights and taillights. The car also gains clearer feature lines on the front hood and roof, as well as a less sharp treatment of the area behind the side air intakes.

(https://images.carscoops.com/2018/11/c04c890b-2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-renderings-3.jpg)

The images also allow us to see the C8 in three different colors, including a vivid red paint that performance cars wear so well. The wheels may be more C7 Stingray than C8 Zora but they sure look good on the mid-engined Vette as well. This virtual mid-engine Corvette looks great but we believe adding one or two contrasting elements on the sides of the car would have made it even more attractive. What do you think?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 68_427 on November 15, 2018, 04:21:13 PM
This car will probably be ugly to be honest
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 15, 2018, 04:29:29 PM
Why is the engine in the trunk? :fogey:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 15, 2018, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on November 15, 2018, 04:21:13 PM
This car will probably be ugly to be honest

Depends on whether or not they try to give it the corporate SUV face, like the latest Camaro
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 15, 2018, 06:33:11 PM
The hips are just so boring compared to something like a Ford GT or McLaren.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on November 15, 2018, 07:03:31 PM
I sincerely hope it looks better than that.  Looks kind of bland.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 15, 2018, 07:11:20 PM
Terrible renders that are probably way off. They didn't even get the shape of the side intakes right.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on November 15, 2018, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 15, 2018, 07:03:31 PM
I sincerely hope it looks better than that.  Looks kind of bland.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 15, 2018, 07:11:20 PM
Terrible renders that are probably way off. They didn't even get the shape of the side intakes right.

It actually kind of bugs me how much automotive "journalism" is just reposting fan renders.

These images look like a generic "supercar" from a 10 year old video game that couldn't afford the rights to any real cars.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 15, 2018, 08:01:15 PM
I hate this era of hype and leaks
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on November 15, 2018, 08:19:31 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on November 15, 2018, 07:11:20 PM
Terrible renders that are probably way off. They didn't even get the shape of the side intakes right.

Quote from: BimmerM3 on November 15, 2018, 07:48:52 PM
These images look like a generic "supercar" from a 10 year old video game that couldn't afford the rights to any real cars.

Agreed. I'll save my final opinion for the official release from GM. I don't believe they wouldn't make it look good. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 15, 2018, 08:56:35 PM
The spy shots haven't thrilled me. That's why I'm worried the fan renders are right.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on November 16, 2018, 07:19:47 AM
The only thing I'm hyped about is driving the value of C7s down.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 16, 2018, 09:23:03 AM
Quote from: MrH on November 16, 2018, 07:19:47 AM
The only thing I'm hyped about is driving the value of C7s down.

If the C8 is priced significantly higher than the C7, C7 prices may actually hold because buyers of lower end Vettes will be priced out and will be looking to used C7s.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on November 16, 2018, 09:39:46 AM
This car's rear end seems to be huge. If all the renderings are correct it will also be pretty boring to look at. One of the reasons I would have chosen a C7 over a Porsche is for the cargo room. With that rear hatch gone, I see little reason to choose the Vette.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 16, 2018, 10:29:46 AM
Quote from: Rich on November 16, 2018, 09:39:46 AM
This car's rear end seems to be huge. If all the renderings are correct it will also be pretty boring to look at. One of the reasons I would have chosen a C7 over a Porsche is for the cargo room. With that rear hatch gone, I see little reason to choose the Vette.

Buy a Camaro if you need versatile trunk space in your performance car...  wait, nevermind...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 16, 2018, 10:49:13 AM
An El Camino is the only good answer for performance + luggage space.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on November 16, 2018, 10:51:07 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 16, 2018, 10:49:13 AM
An El Camino is the only good answer for performance + luggage space.

You know, if the 86 had an El Camino option and only 2 seats I'd have considered it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 16, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
:lol:

https://www.smythkitcars.com/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on November 16, 2018, 11:36:52 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 16, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
:lol:

https://www.smythkitcars.com/

Ha - my friend just shared one of their WRX conversions a few days ago on FB.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 16, 2018, 05:06:03 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 16, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
:lol:

https://www.smythkitcars.com/
Wish they did shooting brakes
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 06, 2018, 02:40:37 PM
So what do you guys think about this hoovering up GM development money in the midst of their mainstream car crisis?

Going where the money is? Or typical GM mismanagement?

Can't even claim halo car status.... you need a full car lineup to bask in the halo's glow.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on December 06, 2018, 02:42:05 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 06, 2018, 02:40:37 PM
So what do you guys think about this hoovering up GM development money in the midst of their mainstream car crisis?

Going where the money is? Or typical GM mismanagement?

Can't even claim halo car status.... you need a full car lineup to bask in the halo's glow.

(https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.297240590.7120/st%2Csmall%2C215x235-pad%2C210x230%2Cf8f8f8.lite-1u2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 07, 2018, 05:04:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6mEGJbFO9s
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 07, 2018, 09:50:32 PM
I'm a bit disappointed with the engine note of the C8.R
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on December 08, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 07, 2018, 09:50:32 PM
I'm a bit disappointed with the engine note of the C8.R
It reminds me a bit of the old Group 7 race cars...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTj8NJMaerk

I changed my mind.  It sounds more like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmsCte3pF4w

Do they have a blown I4 in the C8?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 08, 2018, 10:57:31 AM
Flat plane DOHC V8
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on December 08, 2018, 11:00:42 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 08, 2018, 10:57:31 AM
Flat plane DOHC V8
It does sound like a flat plane crank V8.  I suspect that it's blown as well.

Why doesn't it scream?

Is that the new Cadillac engine that's been modified?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 08, 2018, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 07, 2018, 09:50:32 PM
I'm a bit disappointed with the engine note of the C8.R
I LIKE IT! Here's a lil bit longer video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbUBMpl2DuY
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on December 08, 2018, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on December 08, 2018, 11:39:53 AM
I LIKE IT! Here's a lil bit longer video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbUBMpl2DuY
Where's the howl?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrW-kR2UsMA
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 08, 2018, 12:38:12 PM
The older Corvettes put more hair on your chest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va4o_-kO0Rw
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 68_427 on December 08, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on December 08, 2018, 12:02:31 PM
Where's the howl?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrW-kR2UsMA

The howl is gone because of the twin turbos.  Sounds just like the 488 racecar
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on December 08, 2018, 04:40:17 PM
Actually sounds like a V6 to me.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 09, 2018, 11:25:47 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 08, 2018, 12:38:12 PM
The older Corvettes put more hair on your chest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va4o_-kO0Rw
For American race car the correct answer is always more bore & stroke
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on December 12, 2018, 06:10:54 PM
Uh ohs
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/12/mid-engine-corvette-delayed-six-months-over-electrical-issue-breaking/amp/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 12, 2018, 06:47:16 PM
The sensible comment on that page:

"I would speculate running changes to the vehicle lead to power issues. I am sure things were changed during development and they ran into the limit.

So many of these new cars are using computer power managment systems. Often they manage loads or lack of power since they are limited to 12 volts.

Many models now are starting to go to higher voltage systems now.

This is why today was your battery failed some really crazy things can happen like radios cutting out and even a shut down on the speedometer and AC directing the remaining power to the engine and steering."
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on December 12, 2018, 08:05:18 PM
Quote from: r0tor on December 12, 2018, 06:10:54 PM
Uh ohs
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/12/mid-engine-corvette-delayed-six-months-over-electrical-issue-breaking/amp/
Classic GM :lol:.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 12, 2018, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on December 12, 2018, 08:05:18 PM
Classic GM :lol:.
I see what you did there........... :clap:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on December 14, 2018, 04:36:09 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 12, 2018, 06:47:16 PM
The sensible comment on that page:

"I would speculate running changes to the vehicle lead to power issues. I am sure things were changed during development and they ran into the limit.

So many of these new cars are using computer power managment systems. Often they manage loads or lack of power since they are limited to 12 volts.

Many models now are starting to go to higher voltage systems now.

This is why today was your battery failed some really crazy things can happen like radios cutting out and even a shut down on the speedometer and AC directing the remaining power to the engine and steering."

That doesn't make sense at all.

The reason bad batteries can cause those issues is because of failures in the CAN bus network to maintain a +/- 2.5 volt difference between signal wires, not because 12 volts is too low. The system isn't "redirecting power" to engine and steering. And what vehicles exactly outside of EVs are going to 18 or 24 volt batteries again?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 14, 2018, 08:17:26 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 14, 2018, 04:36:09 AM
That doesn't make sense at all.

The reason bad batteries can cause those issues is because of failures in the CAN bus network to maintain a +/- 2.5 volt difference between signal wires, not because 12 volts is too low. The system isn't "redirecting power" to engine and steering. And what vehicles exactly outside of EVs are going to 18 or 24 volt batteries again?

OK just read the first sentence. That's all that really matters.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: veeman on December 14, 2018, 10:28:55 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 06, 2018, 02:40:37 PM
So what do you guys think about this hoovering up GM development money in the midst of their mainstream car crisis?

Going where the money is? Or typical GM mismanagement?

Can't even claim halo car status.... you need a full car lineup to bask in the halo's glow.

I think, assuming an SUV is considered a car using common vernacular, the Corvette is a great halo brand for GM.  While it's not big numbers, it's the best selling 2 seat 50 plus grand sports car in the US outselling the Porsche 911 and other luxury sports cars.  Plus i don't think GM loses money on it or if they do, it's not a huge amount. 

Shuttering the Cruze and other money losing sedans, shuttering factories, and streamling their work force will allow them to be competitive going forward.  Barra has balls (or brass ovaries) but I think she's right in the direction she's taking the General.  Don't need, IMHO, to shutter a niche halo brand which I don't think they lose a lot of money on and maybe is even profitable.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on December 21, 2018, 04:39:15 PM
C8 may be priced about $5000 more than C7, or under $70,000 to start, according to Bob Lutz.

https://driving.ca/chevrolet/corvette/auto-news/news/the-mid-engined-corvette-c8-wont-debut-at-any-auto-show-report
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 21, 2018, 05:13:37 PM
Big sigh of relief. Makes sense. A FR Corvette is just as bespoke and one-off as an MR one. GM would have been foolish to double the price
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 68_427 on December 21, 2018, 06:03:20 PM
Eventually yes
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 11, 2019, 04:17:15 PM
Interior pics......
https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/exclusive-2020-corvette-interior-revealed-new-tech-improved-design-awaiting-pics/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 11, 2019, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 11, 2019, 04:17:15 PM
Interior pics......
https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/exclusive-2020-corvette-interior-revealed-new-tech-improved-design-awaiting-pics/

Where is the damn shifter?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on January 11, 2019, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 11, 2019, 04:58:05 PM
Where is the damn shifter?
Push buttons.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 11, 2019, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 11, 2019, 05:17:31 PM
Push buttons.

No. This is not an Edsel.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2019, 06:37:50 PM
Looks good
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on January 12, 2019, 06:00:36 AM
Based on that center console layout, anyone who thinks any kind of manual transmission implementation is a future possibility is fooling themselves.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2019, 06:36:39 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 11, 2019, 04:58:05 PM
Where is the damn shifter?
Steering console. 10 on the tree
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on January 12, 2019, 07:57:56 AM
I don't like what I see.  :(
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on January 12, 2019, 08:12:50 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2019, 06:36:39 AM
Steering console. 10 on the tree

Naw you just control it from your iPhone.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 12, 2019, 10:44:33 AM
Someone let me know when we get pictures that don't look like screen captures from Cloverfield.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on January 12, 2019, 11:53:26 AM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 12, 2019, 10:44:33 AM
Someone let me know when we get pictures that don't look like screen captures from Cloverfield.

:lol: +1
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2019, 12:17:41 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on January 12, 2019, 07:57:56 AM
I don't like what I see.  :(

The interior reminds me of the Pontiac Banshee concept from the 80's. Barf.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 12, 2019, 12:20:21 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 12, 2019, 10:44:33 AM
Someone let me know when we get pictures that don't look like screen captures from Cloverfield.
:huh:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2019, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2019, 12:17:41 PM
The interior reminds me of the Pontiac Banshee concept from the 80's. Barf.

Dude, I loved that car. Did a turn as KITT in Knight Rider 2000. It could turn into a boat.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2019, 12:36:25 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2019, 12:31:26 PM
Dude, I loved that car. Did a turn as KITT in Knight Rider 2000. It could turn into a boat.

I haven't seen Knight Rider 2000.
The Banshee exterior was pretty cool, but the interior ... :pee:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2019, 06:57:06 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on January 12, 2019, 07:57:56 AM
I don't like what I see.  :(
Dont know what you were expecting

Supra should have been a Toyota LC500
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on January 12, 2019, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2019, 06:57:06 PM
Dont know what you were expecting

Supra should have been a Toyota LC500

? This is the Corvette C8 thread. I couldn't care less about the Supra.

I don't like the 20" long slope of seat and climate control buttons. There's no handbrake. The janky compartment where the handbrake should be probably hides cupholders. One spill of your coffee looks like it would permanently stain that material. I don't like shift buttons. The display controller handrest material looks like it would wear quickly. The switchgear looks really cheap. This is just from the Cloverfield pictures.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on January 12, 2019, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on January 12, 2019, 07:29:59 PM
? This is the Corvette C8 thread. I couldn't care less about the Supra.

I don't like the 20" long slope of seat and climate control buttons. There's no handbrake. The janky compartment where the handbrake should be probably hides cupholders. One spill of your coffee looks like it would permanently stain that material. I don't like shift buttons. The display controller handrest material looks like it would wear quickly. The switchgear looks really cheap. This is just from the Cloverfield pictures.

Corvette hasn't had a handbrake for 6 years...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on January 13, 2019, 07:37:45 AM
Quote from: MX793 on January 12, 2019, 10:30:09 PM
Corvette hasn't had a handbrake for 6 years...

Don't like that either.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 13, 2019, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on January 13, 2019, 07:37:45 AM
Don't like that either.
How often are you pulling e-brake skids???

Enthusiasts are so rigid in their beliefs, like drivers cars peaked in 1993.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 13, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 13, 2019, 10:44:37 AM
How often are you pulling e-brake skids???

Enthusiasts are so rigid in their beliefs, like drivers cars peaked in 1993.

Specifically with a 1993 Honda Accord.
But the simple manual lever is so simple, reliable, and serviceable. Never mind that. Let's make things more complicated, unreliable, and expensive because we are too lazy to use 2% of our brains.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on January 13, 2019, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 13, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
Specifically with a 1993 Honda Accord.
But the simple manual lever is so simple, reliable, and serviceable. Never mind that. Let's make things more complicated, unreliable, and expensive because we are too lazy to use 2% of our brains.

This. Sporty, is it hilly where you are? And yes, I am rigid in my beliefs. It comes from experience, and what I like in a driver's car.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on January 13, 2019, 11:24:44 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 13, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
Specifically with a 1993 Honda Accord.
But the simple manual lever is so simple, reliable, and serviceable. Never mind that. Let's make things more complicated, unreliable, and expensive because we are too lazy to use 2% of our brains.

Couldn't you make the same argument for power windows and locks?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on January 13, 2019, 11:32:10 AM
Quote from: Submariner on January 13, 2019, 11:24:44 AM
Couldn’t you make the same argument for power windows and locks?

No, and yes. Power windows are actually simple and convenient. Power locks can be annoying, and I prefer manual ones.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on January 13, 2019, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on January 13, 2019, 11:03:27 AM
This. Sporty, is it hilly where you are? And yes, I am rigid in my beliefs. It comes from experience, and what I like in a driver's car.

Pretty sure MT Vettes have a hill-hold feature to keep you from rolling back.  My Mustang has it and it does work pretty well from the little bit I've used it (I turned it off within the first couple of weeks of ownership).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 13, 2019, 11:44:10 AM
Quote from: Submariner on January 13, 2019, 11:24:44 AM
Couldn't you make the same argument for power windows and locks?

But you usually can't physically reach them all from the driver seat. And they are not critical parts of the vehicle.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on January 13, 2019, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: MX793 on January 13, 2019, 11:40:19 AM
Pretty sure MT Vettes have a hill-hold feature to keep you from rolling back.  My Mustang has it and it does work pretty well from the little bit I've used it (I turned it off within the first couple of weeks of ownership).

That's great. Really.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 13, 2019, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: MX793 on January 13, 2019, 11:40:19 AM
Pretty sure MT Vettes have a hill-hold feature to keep you from rolling back.  My Mustang has it and it does work pretty well from the little bit I've used it (I turned it off within the first couple of weeks of ownership).

Even my Fiesta has that. But it has an olde fashioned manual handbrake.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 13, 2019, 12:04:14 PM
Hill hold stuff is for people who haven't learned how to drive an MT. Especially in a high powered car - it's not hard to start up a hill when you have a torquey V8
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on January 13, 2019, 12:14:27 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 13, 2019, 12:04:14 PM
Hill hold stuff is for people who haven't learned how to drive an MT. Especially in a high powered car - it's not hard to start up a hill when you have a torquey V8

Yeah, I shut it off because between the really short gearing and plentiful torque, I really don't need to give it much throttle to get rolling on a hill.  Maybe something really steep like in SF, but not around here.  Even on my 4-banger cars, I got quick enough with the clutch, brake, throttle that I very rarely used the handbrake to start on a hill.  Basically only if the person behind me was pulled right up on my bumper.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 13, 2019, 12:17:32 PM
I like hill hold in Fiesta because it has no torque until the turbo spools up, which requires lots of clutch slipping.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 13, 2019, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 13, 2019, 12:04:14 PM
Hill hold stuff is for people who haven't learned how to drive an MT. Especially in a high powered car - it's not hard to start up a hill when you have a torquey V8

Yeah after I initially learned, I've almost never had to use my handbrake, even when I had my not-so-torquey I4 Accord. I probably could get away with < 1" of rollback on the overwhelmingly majority of hills. I basically used it for getting out of tight parallel parking spots on particularly steep hills.

They can come in handy if you're driving someone else's car and you're not used to where the friction point is. The exit of my step-moms neighborhood is fairly steep, and there have been a few times when I borrowed her Fiesta ST and someone was slightly closer to me than I'd have liked. I'm sure I'd have been fine without the hill hold, but it was nice to be able to take a normal amount of time getting on the power rather than over revving and slipping the clutch to be safe in an unfamiliar car.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 13, 2019, 01:29:56 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on January 13, 2019, 11:45:42 AM
That's great. Really.
God forbid you try something that changes your opinion  :lol:

No power locks  :hammerhead:

Be open minded. Wont kill you
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on January 13, 2019, 02:06:06 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 13, 2019, 01:29:56 PM
God forbid you try something that changes your opinion  :lol:

No power locks  :hammerhead:

Be open minded. Wont kill you

Lol, it's not like I've never driven different types mang! I like automatics and convenience shit for a daily driver or touring car, but for a sportscar, my toy, I want a manual and a motherfucking handbrake! Is that so wrong?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 14, 2019, 05:51:38 AM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 13, 2019, 01:14:03 PM
Yeah after I initially learned, I've almost never had to use my handbrake, even when I had my not-so-torquey I4 Accord. I probably could get away with < 1" of rollback on the overwhelmingly majority of hills. I basically used it for getting out of tight parallel parking spots on particularly steep hills.

They can come in handy if you're driving someone else's car and you're not used to where the friction point is. The exit of my step-moms neighborhood is fairly steep, and there have been a few times when I borrowed her Fiesta ST and someone was slightly closer to me than I'd have liked. I'm sure I'd have been fine without the hill hold, but it was nice to be able to take a normal amount of time getting on the power rather than over revving and slipping the clutch to be safe in an unfamiliar car.

I drove a manual Audi A4 when i lived in Montreal. Lots of steep hills there...I got used to it pretty quickly without ever needing the e-brake.

That being said, most electronic e-brakes work on hill holds too.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on January 15, 2019, 11:52:54 AM
The Mustang GT500 and Mid-Engine Corvette Might Share Gearboxes (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news/the-mustang-gt500-and-mid-engine-corvette-might-share-gearboxes/ar-BBSfCOU?ocid=spartandhp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fLDpfHrC/BBSeu0Z.png)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on January 15, 2019, 12:02:49 PM
And neither will be manuals  :cry:

A manual C7 GS with the Z07 package will probably be a future collectible as the last manual trans Vette.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on January 15, 2019, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: Xer0 on January 15, 2019, 12:02:49 PM
And neither will be manuals  :cry:

A manual C7 GS with the Z07 package will probably be a future collectible as the last manual trans Vette.
You'll still have your flappy little paddles. :huh:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 15, 2019, 12:14:10 PM
Well they shared the T-56 (along with the Camaro and Viper IIRC) for years so that's not too surprising.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 15, 2019, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: Xer0 on January 15, 2019, 12:02:49 PM
And neither will be manuals  :cry:

A manual C7 GS with the Z07 package will probably be a future collectible as the last manual trans Vette.
I think the even rarer ZR1 Manuals will be the big money makers! They'll prolly be even more rare than C2 Split windows......
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on January 15, 2019, 03:12:00 PM
... I see something failed to be at a Detroit auto show yet another year...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 15, 2019, 03:42:53 PM
Quote from: r0tor on January 15, 2019, 03:12:00 PM
... I see something failed to be at a Detroit auto show yet another year...
We all knew it wasn't gonna be there. Things have been pushed back due to Electrical issues. I think the Debut is gonna be at the plant in Bowling Green!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on January 15, 2019, 04:18:25 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 15, 2019, 03:42:53 PM
We all knew it wasn't gonna be there. Things have been pushed back due to Electrical issues. I think the Debut is gonna be at the plant in Bowling Green!

In what... 2025?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 15, 2019, 07:39:29 PM
Fine by me. Long live the front engine
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on February 04, 2019, 06:03:53 PM
https://www.motor1.com/news/303928/mid-engined-corvette-targa-rendering/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 04, 2019, 06:06:19 PM
Looks good!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on February 04, 2019, 06:19:12 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on February 04, 2019, 06:06:19 PM
Looks good!
Yup, it does.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on February 04, 2019, 06:27:47 PM
Very potentially my new car obsession.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 04, 2019, 06:33:43 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on February 04, 2019, 06:27:47 PM
Very potentially my new car obsession.
I'll def own one. But I'll prolly grab a C7 (Hopefully a Z06) until I can afford a C8.....
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 04, 2019, 07:16:03 PM
no more renderings :lockedup:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on February 04, 2019, 07:40:42 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 04, 2019, 07:16:03 PM
no more renderings :lockedup:

I know, I know, but you gotta admit, it's a pretty good one.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 24, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
https://youtu.be/R2wKAh26YdU?t=319
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 08, 2019, 10:07:49 AM
Not too much new but still worth watching.
https://youtu.be/lhcT7Os3CYI?t=198
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 24, 2019, 10:08:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pey85fO3ojI
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on March 25, 2019, 05:38:38 AM
Wasn't it spied being broke down again?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 25, 2019, 09:17:06 AM
Quote from: r0tor on March 25, 2019, 05:38:38 AM
Wasn't it spied being broke down again?

wow it's like it's under development or something

As if no other car manufacturers have any issues during development. The thing hasn't even been announced yet.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 25, 2019, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 25, 2019, 09:17:06 AM
wow it's like it's under development or something

As if no other car manufacturers have any issues during development. The thing hasn't even been announced yet.
:hesaid:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on March 25, 2019, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 25, 2019, 09:17:06 AM
wow it's like it's under development or something

As if no other car manufacturers have any issues during development. The thing hasn't even been announced yet.

This thing was reported to be ready to fight the Ford GT.  The Ford GT will not even be in production when (or if) this thing ever goes on sale.

The development on this thing has to be completely miserable.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 25, 2019, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: r0tor on March 25, 2019, 10:15:33 AM
This thing was reported to be ready to fight the Ford GT.  The Ford GT will not even be in production when (or if) this thing ever goes on sale.

The development on this thing has to be completely miserable.

Reported by who? If it's not a claim from GM, it's just internet people looking for clicks.

I bet the guys developing it are having a great time. The GM performance chassis design team is a dream job.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on March 25, 2019, 01:10:45 PM
4 years ago from the head of GM...
https://mobile.twitter.com/mt_loverman/status/555081772447567872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-25036400252601327917.ampproject.net%2F1903141753530%2Fframe.html


"ours will have a V8"... In what fucking decade?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 25, 2019, 01:44:13 PM
Quote from: r0tor on March 25, 2019, 01:10:45 PM
4 years ago from the head of GM...
https://mobile.twitter.com/mt_loverman/status/555081772447567872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-25036400252601327917.ampproject.net%2F1903141753530%2Fframe.html


"ours will have a V8"... In what fucking decade?

The C7 has only been out since 2014. Chill brah
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 25, 2019, 05:00:22 PM
Quote from: r0tor on March 25, 2019, 10:15:33 AM
This thing was reported to be ready to fight the Ford GT.  The Ford GT will not even be in production when (or if) this thing ever goes on sale.

The development on this thing has to be completely miserable.
Just because Ford hid the developement of their car in the basement for years doesn't mean the GT didn't take as long or longer!


Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 25, 2019, 01:44:13 PM
The C7 has only been out since 2014. Chill brah
RIGHT!

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on March 25, 2019, 10:36:36 PM
Quote from: r0tor on March 25, 2019, 10:15:33 AM
This thing was reported to be ready to fight the Ford GT.  The Ford GT will not even be in production when (or if) this thing ever goes on sale.

The development on this thing has to be completely miserable.

So who reported that?

The current Ford GT is a race car first, and modified (compromised) for the street, with only 250 built per year. GM knows this as well as anyone, and has for a long time.

The Corvette has always been a street car first.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on March 26, 2019, 05:50:54 AM
The person who is now in charge of GM "reported" that... Yeesh
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on March 26, 2019, 06:59:02 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on March 25, 2019, 05:00:22 PM
Just because Ford hid the developement of their car in the basement for years doesn't mean the GT didn't take as long or longer!

RIGHT!



Ford GT publicly debuted in Jan 2015 as a concept.  It had been in development for roughly a year prior to that.  Racing version was competing the following January at Daytona 2016.  Street version went into production December '16.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on March 26, 2019, 08:08:22 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on March 25, 2019, 10:36:36 PM
So who reported that?

The current Ford GT is a race car first, and modified (compromised) for the street, with only 250 built per year. GM knows this as well as anyone, and has for a long time.

The Corvette has always been a street car first.
You're right, the Ford GT is a race car first, as it should be.  The only reason for it's existence is to celebrate the single most iconic moment in American International racing history. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 26, 2019, 09:31:22 AM
Quote from: MX793 on March 26, 2019, 06:59:02 AM
Ford GT publicly debuted in Jan 2015 as a concept.  It had been in development for roughly a year prior to that.  Racing version was competing the following January at Daytona 2016.  Street version went into production December '16.
Show how long before the concept was shown was Ford developing the GT? I'm sure it was WELL along before they showed the car. The GT just hadn't been spotted a Kazillion times like the C8 has.

Quote from: FoMoJo on March 26, 2019, 08:08:22 AM
You're right, the Ford GT is a race car first, as it should be.  The only reason for it's existence is to celebrate the single most iconic moment in American International racing history. 
And fine for a limited run Super Car ( that still got out lapped by a front engine "Street car" called the  ZR1) That NONE of the owners will DD! For a Corvette is has to be a streetcar first!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on March 26, 2019, 11:34:55 AM
Quote from: r0tor on March 26, 2019, 05:50:54 AM
The person who is now in charge of GM "reported" that... Yeesh

Mary Barra? I don't think so. I mean, the C7 ZR1 is one up on the Ford GT but GM didn't plan on that per se.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on March 26, 2019, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on March 26, 2019, 09:31:22 AM
Show how long before the concept was shown was Ford developing the GT? I'm sure it was WELL along before they showed the car. The GT just hadn't been spotted a Kazillion times like the C8 has.
And fine for a limited run Super Car ( that still got out lapped by a front engine "Street car" called the  ZR1) That NONE of the owners will DD! For a Corvette is has to be a streetcar first!

They started development roughly a year before they showed the concept.
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15380257/the-17-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-2017-ford-gt-supercar/ (https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15380257/the-17-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-2017-ford-gt-supercar/)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 26, 2019, 12:00:47 PM
Quick GT development doesn't mean the Corvette is slow. Ford had a deadline to meet so they could win Le Mans for their 50th anniversary
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on March 26, 2019, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 26, 2019, 12:00:47 PM
Quick GT development doesn't mean the Corvette is slow. Ford had a deadline to meet so they could win Le Mans for their 50th anniversary

You're the one who said Ford spent as long or longer on the GT.

The C8 will be done when it's done.  Better to make sure that it's right than have a ton of problems and recalls because it was half-baked.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on March 26, 2019, 01:06:52 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on March 26, 2019, 11:34:55 AM
Mary Barra? I don't think so. I mean, the C7 ZR1 is one up on the Ford GT but GM didn't plan on that per se.

Mark Reuss.... President of GM... Formerly director of the performance division...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on March 26, 2019, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: MX793 on March 26, 2019, 12:57:35 PM
You're the one who said Ford spent as long or longer on the GT.

The C8 will be done when it's done.  Better to make sure that it's right than have a ton of problems and recalls because it was half-baked.
Half-baked may be the operational term.  Gotta make sure it doesn't come limping home after a couple of hot laps :huh:.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 26, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: MX793 on March 26, 2019, 12:57:35 PM
You're the one who said Ford spent as long or longer on the GT.

nuh-uh

Quote
The C8 will be done when it's done.  Better to make sure that it's right than have a ton of problems and recalls because it was half-baked.

Agreed. And it's not the only mid-engined car to take a while. Didn't the NSX get re-started from scratch?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on March 26, 2019, 02:14:48 PM
It's only been a year since magazines started to report on the C8, and little more than that since any of us learned they were going to build it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 26, 2019, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on March 26, 2019, 01:14:52 PM
Half-baked may be the operational term.  Gotta make sure it doesn't come limping home after a couple of hot laps :huh:.
Same way the Mustang GT PP (without a Super Charger) over heated at VIR after 3 laps....... Or how about the gearboxes in the GT350 that over heated so much that a Class Action Lawsuit was brought against Ford?   :huh:

https://jalopnik.com/shelby-gt350-mustang-owners-suing-ford-over-overheating-1793541621
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on March 28, 2019, 01:18:56 AM
Quote from: r0tor on March 26, 2019, 01:06:52 PM
Mark Reuss.... President of GM... Formerly director of the performance division...

Mary Barra is the head (CEO) of GM - she's in charge, and his boss. Neither she, nor he, has reported such a thing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on March 28, 2019, 04:46:44 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on March 26, 2019, 02:45:55 PM
Same way the Mustang GT PP (without a Super Charger) over heated at VIR after 3 laps....... Or how about the gearboxes in the GT350 that over heated so much that a Class Action Lawsuit was brought against Ford?   :huh:

https://jalopnik.com/shelby-gt350-mustang-owners-suing-ford-over-overheating-1793541621

The GTPP suffered from an overheated differential due to the proximity of the exhaust to the diff and limited heat shielding on the exhaust.  I also think it's linked to the active exhaust option, since I can't seem to find any instances of it happening on earlier S550s which didn't have that feature (active exhaust became an option in 2017 or 18).  The issue can be largely mitigated if not resolved with a simple exhaust wrap near the diff.

Non-Track Pack GT350s had the same issue for first year models.  Ford made the track pack's diff cooler standard on 2nd year cars.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on March 28, 2019, 06:22:17 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on March 26, 2019, 02:14:48 PM
It's only been a year since magazines started to report on the C8, and little more than that since any of us learned they were going to build it.

Last year was 2014?
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15110136/c8-chevrolet-corvette-exclusive-what-to-expect-from-the-heart-stopping-mid-engined-zora-feature/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on April 01, 2019, 10:12:50 AM
For the first 6–8 months of C8 production, there will be a single model offered—Corvette Zora XFE, which uses the corporate "LFX" 3.6-liter V-6 in place of the 6.2-liter LT2. A single transmission will be offered—the 6T50 six-speed automatic developed jointly with Ford and found in both the Flex and previous-generation Traverse SUVs. (https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/04/01/c8-corvette-zora-order-guide-leak-april-1)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on April 01, 2019, 10:28:32 AM
Lol
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on April 01, 2019, 10:30:02 AM
Yeah... given what day it is, I ain't clicking on that.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on April 01, 2019, 10:33:05 AM
The first half or so of that article is actually almost believable.  When they talked about dropping a V6 in, it started getting questionable.  The mention of using leftover Cobalt XFE badges...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on April 01, 2019, 10:40:42 AM
I'd be totally onboard with a base model with the Camaro's V6 and 7 speed manual for ~$45,000.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on April 01, 2019, 10:44:09 AM
A livable mid engine $45K is definitely intriguing. Does this thing's engine run north-south? I'd imagine they'd use a shortened version of the current Corvette's transaxle if so.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on April 01, 2019, 11:12:18 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on April 01, 2019, 10:30:02 AM
Yeah... given what day it is, I ain't clicking on that.

I had to disguise the link since it says April 1 at the end. :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 07, 2019, 05:31:17 PM
Makes sense....

https://carbuzz.com/news/new-mid-engine-corvette-and-porsche-911-will-share-one-important-component
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 11, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
7-18-19
https://youtu.be/x7zE4i8_vcM?t=404
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on April 12, 2019, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on April 11, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
7-18-19
https://youtu.be/x7zE4i8_vcM?t=404

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Emg9qPKR5hquI/200.gif)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on April 14, 2019, 05:54:54 PM
Well, this answers a big question. The last front engine Corvette is being built and will be auctioned off in June. The mid-engine C8 will be the only Corvette. But, that pretty much confirms a low $60k starting price.  :dance:

https://jalopnik.com/the-last-front-engine-corvette-will-be-auctioned-for-ch-1834032450
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on April 14, 2019, 06:26:40 PM
Welp, definitely a watershed moment. Building the C7 along side never seemed realistic - the sales volumes just don't seem worth the hassle.

Rumor is the C8 will debut with a base motor that is to be a ~500-550 hp N/A LT(x), which will no doubt find its way into the Camaro.

DCT + 500+ hp N/A V8 will be killer, and literally a thing that no one else is doing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on April 14, 2019, 06:33:55 PM
Also, it got the point that the Camaro was overall the better car, so there's that ;).

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on April 14, 2019, 06:37:51 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on April 14, 2019, 06:26:40 PM
Welp, definitely a watershed moment. Building the C7 along side never seemed realistic - the sales volumes just don't seem worth the hassle.

Rumor is the C8 will debut with a base motor that is to be a ~500-550 hp N/A LT(x), which will no doubt find its way into the Camaro.

DCT + 500+ hp N/A V8 will be killer, and literally a thing that no one else is doing.

But nobody is offering a manual either, and that's a big missed opportunity to snag the few of us left that would love a mid-engine supercar with a stick. For my $65k, I'd still look for an 8-10 yr old R8 because I can get a gated shifter.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 14, 2019, 06:51:02 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on April 14, 2019, 05:54:54 PM
Well, this answers a big question. The last front engine Corvette is being built and will be auctioned off in June. The mid-engine C8 will be the only Corvette. But, that pretty much confirms a low $60k starting price.  :dance:

https://jalopnik.com/the-last-front-engine-corvette-will-be-auctioned-for-ch-1834032450
The auction for the last C7 (Black Z06) will be held in June but it won't be produced till a couple months later. IIRC the last car will be built in August....
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on April 15, 2019, 09:22:59 AM
I am curious to see how this works out. Part of me thinks this will not work out well for GM and this could end disastrously for the Corvette, but of course I do see the performance benefits so maybe it will all work out for the best.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on April 15, 2019, 12:05:53 PM
It sounds like it's going to be a killer. A 500HP mid engine sports car for $70K to start.... should do well, and makes sense now that all the details are out.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 14, 2019, 06:26:40 PM
Welp, definitely a watershed moment. Building the C7 along side never seemed realistic - the sales volumes just don't seem worth the hassle.

Rumor is the C8 will debut with a base motor that is to be a ~500-550 hp N/A LT(x), which will no doubt find its way into the Camaro.

DCT + 500+ hp N/A V8 will be killer, and literally a thing that no one else is doing.
That is a special combo. But nothing can save the Camaro.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 15, 2019, 05:08:51 PM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on April 15, 2019, 09:22:59 AM
I am curious to see how this works out. Part of me thinks this will not work out well for GM and this could end disastrously for the Corvette, but of course I do see the performance benefits so maybe it will all work out for the best.
I think for all the Buyers it loses for not being a "Traditional" Vette AND not having a manual gearbox it'll pick up just as many new (Younger) buyers!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on April 15, 2019, 05:43:56 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on April 15, 2019, 05:08:51 PM
I think for all the Buyers it loses for not being a "Traditional" Vette AND not having a manual gearbox it'll pick up just as many new (Younger) buyers!
It should improve their race programme.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 15, 2019, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 15, 2019, 05:43:56 PM
It should improve their race programme.
Agreed! I can't wait to the C8 do battle with the 911s.....
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on April 16, 2019, 10:16:50 AM
Bleh... Sports car racing has been reduced to a bunch of politicking over restrictor sizes and car weight
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 29, 2019, 01:36:55 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27305426/mid-engine-chevrolet-corvette-c8-video-sound/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on April 29, 2019, 02:01:55 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on April 29, 2019, 01:36:55 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27305426/mid-engine-chevrolet-corvette-c8-video-sound/

Lol, how funny would it be if he cars-n-coffee'd that thing into a tree.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 29, 2019, 02:44:00 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on April 29, 2019, 02:01:55 PM
Lol, how funny would it be if he cars-n-coffee'd that thing into a tree.
:lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on April 29, 2019, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on April 29, 2019, 02:01:55 PM
Lol, how funny would it be if he cars-n-coffee'd that thing into a tree.

This is now a phrase. Well done!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on April 29, 2019, 03:19:07 PM
Cars-n-coffee'd verb - The act of crashing into an object, usually a tree, lamp post, or pedestrians, due to the act of showing off by driving in a manner beyond his/her actual driving skills, usually while entering a street from a parking lot. See douchebaggery, Mustang GT.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 29, 2019, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on April 29, 2019, 03:19:07 PM
Cars-n-coffee'd verb - The act of crashing into an object, usually a tree, lamp post, or pedestrians, due to the act of showing off by driving in a manner beyond his/her actual driving skills, usually while entering a street from a parking lot. See douchebaggery, Mustang GT.

Ah, I get it now.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on April 29, 2019, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on April 29, 2019, 03:19:07 PM
Cars-n-coffee'd verb - The act of crashing into an object, usually a tree, lamp post, or pedestrians, due to the act of showing off by driving in a manner beyond his/her actual driving skills, usually while entering a street from a parking lot. See douchebaggery, Mustang GT.
That's one of the reasons I liked going to the local cruise a few years ago.  The parking lot exited onto highway 12 and around 10:00pm, everyone would start lining up along each side of the highway to see the cars leaving.  The first few years, the cops would basically act as the starter and flag them off; then someone must've complained and they started writing tickets.  Spoiled the whole show.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 29, 2019, 03:39:02 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on April 29, 2019, 03:19:07 PM
Cars-n-coffee'd verb - The act of crashing into an object, usually a tree, lamp post, or pedestrians, due to the act of showing off by driving in a manner beyond his/her actual driving skills, usually while entering a street from a parking lot. See douchebaggery, Mustang GT.
:clap:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 11, 2019, 10:51:06 AM
The party is over for the C7....
https://www.powernationtv.com/post/you-have-a-few-weeks-left-to-get-your-c7-chevrolet-corvette-orders-in
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on June 11, 2019, 01:09:15 PM
It feels like the C7 JUST came out and its already being retired.  At only about 5 years, it feels like a much shorter generation than prior Vettes.  Kinda sad honestly, the Z51 and GS cars of this gen really did feel like the sweet spots in the lineup. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on June 11, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
How did the C7 sell compared to prior generations?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on June 11, 2019, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on June 11, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
How did the C7 sell compared to prior generations?

Well, I didn't buy one.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: RomanChariot on June 11, 2019, 01:35:21 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 11, 2019, 01:26:48 PM
Well, I didn't buy one.

So, pretty much the same as previous generations.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on June 11, 2019, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on June 11, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
How did the C7 sell compared to prior generations?

https://www.corvsport.com/corvette-sales-volume-year/

Looks like it sold pretty average compared to previous generations.  Decent bump up in sales for the first 2-3 years of the generation, followed by a fall-off.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on June 11, 2019, 03:21:48 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on June 11, 2019, 02:19:27 PM
https://www.corvsport.com/corvette-sales-volume-year/

Looks like it sold pretty average compared to previous generations.  Decent bump up in sales for the first 2-3 years of the generation, followed by a fall-off.

Thanks for that.

Interesting that the late 70s early 80s were the peak Corvette years. Did not expect that.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on June 11, 2019, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: RomanChariot on June 11, 2019, 01:35:21 PM
So, pretty much the same as previous generations.

Essentially, yes. Although I did rent a Hertz C6 that one time. :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 11, 2019, 03:31:06 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on June 11, 2019, 03:21:48 PM
Thanks for that.

Interesting that the late 70s early 80s were the peak Corvette years. Did not expect that.

Well I guess a late C3 was better than most everything else available back then?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 11, 2019, 08:01:01 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 11, 2019, 01:26:48 PM
Well, I didn't buy one.
I think Imma grab a C7 Z06........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 11, 2019, 08:03:46 PM
Quote from: Xer0 on June 11, 2019, 01:09:15 PM
It feels like the C7 JUST came out and its already being retired.  At only about 5 years, it feels like a much shorter generation than prior Vettes.  Kinda sad honestly, the Z51 and GS cars of this gen really did feel like the sweet spots in the lineup. 
Yes it had a very short run! Especially compared to the C3 and C4 Generations! But word is the C7 was just a filler till the Mid Engine car came to be.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on June 11, 2019, 08:13:21 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on June 11, 2019, 08:01:01 PM
I think Imma grab a C7 Z06........

Yeah I might grab one, too.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 11, 2019, 10:07:35 PM
C7 Z06 is king of the road. Would be perfect for western highways.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on June 12, 2019, 04:03:42 AM
Brother got a killer deal on a 2019 Z06. I was trying to convince him to wait until the C8, but he couldn't pass this up.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 12, 2019, 06:31:19 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 11, 2019, 10:07:35 PM
C7 Z06 is king of the road. Would be perfect for western highways.
I've been eyeballing 2015 models. I'm hoping to find a nice one next summer.

Quote from: Rockraven on June 12, 2019, 04:03:42 AM
Brother got a killer deal on a 2019 Z06. I was trying to convince him to wait until the C8, but he couldn't pass this up.
GM is giving great deals on all new C7s!! Except the ZR1! They won't budge on those! LOL!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on June 12, 2019, 06:38:35 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on June 12, 2019, 06:31:19 AM
I've been eyeballing 2015 models. I'm hoping to find a nice one next summer.
GM is giving great deals on all new C7s!! Except the ZR1! They won't budge on those! LOL!

I'll jump on it if I can get $20,000 cash back and 0% APR for 144 months.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 12, 2019, 06:46:46 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 12, 2019, 06:38:35 AM
I'll jump on it if I can get $20,000 cash back and 0% APR for 144 months.
:popcorn:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on June 12, 2019, 07:26:51 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on June 12, 2019, 06:31:19 AM
I've been eyeballing 2015 models. I'm hoping to find a nice one next summer.
GM is giving great deals on all new C7s!! Except the ZR1! They won't budge on those! LOL!

What's considered a great deal?  How much are we talking?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on June 12, 2019, 08:30:09 AM
Seems like the standard deal is $10-12K off MSRP

A 2LT GS is selling in the mid 60s. Pretty good deal
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 12, 2019, 12:34:06 PM
Quote from: MrH on June 12, 2019, 07:26:51 AM
What's considered a great deal?  How much are we talking?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 12, 2019, 08:30:09 AM
Seems like the standard deal is $10-12K off MSRP

A 2LT GS is selling in the mid 60s. Pretty good deal
Yup! It's guys getting new C7s up to 15 Grand off! A few guys went to buy Grand Sports but found out they could get a Z06 for less than the GS sticker price........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on June 12, 2019, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on June 11, 2019, 03:21:48 PM
Thanks for that.

Interesting that the late 70s early 80s were the peak Corvette years. Did not expect that.

They were hugely popular - they were everywhere.

By that time the US auto industry had consolidated a fair amount and many performance marques from the late '60s/early '70s heyday, though not explicit competitors to the Corvette, either disappeared (AAR 'Cuda, Hemi Challenger, etc.) or where irrelevant (Pinto-based Mustang), plus there really wasn't any real competition from overseas save for the 911, and at that time Porsche was a boutique brand in the US. It was also peak sales figures (through '78) for the Camaro and Firebird for the same reasons.

And really, doled up it looked good - it would be embarrassed by a modern 4cyl Camry, but hey, it was all pretty bad back then:

(http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2018/041818_3b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on June 12, 2019, 06:37:56 PM
YEs, had a post but forgot to hit send

Even at its absolute worst the Corvette always managed to be a special and high value car. And it got real bad
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 30, 2019, 10:48:38 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27113416/final-chevrolet-c7-corvette-auction/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 08, 2019, 09:07:19 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BzovGZjHhpW/?utm_source=ig_embed
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 08, 2019, 09:14:03 AM
So an elephant sat on the back a squished it? :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 08, 2019, 09:33:08 AM
Well, it does look like a Camaro fucked an Aventador, but that's essentially this car in a nutshell. Looking forward to seeing the whole thing on the 18th.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on July 08, 2019, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 08, 2019, 09:33:08 AM
Well, it does look like a Camaro fucked an Aventador, but that's essentially this car in a nutshell.

:lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 08, 2019, 09:48:35 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 08, 2019, 09:33:08 AM
Well, it does look like a Camaro fucked an Aventador, but that's essentially this car in a nutshell. Looking forward to seeing the whole thing on the 18th.
:lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 08, 2019, 10:51:40 AM
Hate that wing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 08, 2019, 11:54:16 AM
Little wings like that are more for decoration than effect.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 08, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
Little wings make a huge aerodynamic difference - just look at the "little wings" on 200+ mph cars.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 08, 2019, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 08, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
Little wings make a huge aerodynamic difference - just look at the "little wings" on 200+ mph cars.
No one's gonna be driving that 200 mph.  No doubt, their race cars will have proper wings.  Hopefully they can be more competitive without dragging the rest of the field down.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 08, 2019, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 08, 2019, 02:00:34 PM
No one's gonna be driving that 200 mph.  No doubt, their race cars will have proper wings.  Hopefully they can be more competitive without dragging the rest of the field down.

Sure they will - look at the bunches of YouTube videos of the C7 Z06 and ZR1 being driven at ~200 mph.

The automaker is liable for safety at a claimed performance, and aero like "little wings" is 100% necessary to be able to do that.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 08, 2019, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 08, 2019, 10:51:40 AM
Hate that wing.
Everyone on the Vette forum does also. I'll wait to see how it flows with the whole design before I start bitching. As far as the rear looking like a Camaro the C7 does too! I think the rear design here is futher away from the 'Maro than the C7!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 08, 2019, 05:56:10 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 08, 2019, 03:56:40 PM
Sure they will - look at the bunches of YouTube videos of the C7 Z06 and ZR1 being driven at ~200 mph.

The automaker is liable for safety at a claimed performance, and aero like "little wings" is 100% necessary to be able to do that.
I must offer a bit of humble regret.  Yes, cars can be driven at ~200 mph with little wings.  Cars with no wings can be driven at ~200 mph, if the aerodynamics are right.  Functional wings, of course, are most useful for lower speed down force, cornering, et al, braking even.  I would still expect the racing version to have a nice big functional wing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 08, 2019, 08:27:40 PM
10 days and 30 mins.........
https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/next-gen-corvette.html
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 08, 2019, 08:55:07 PM
I'm sure hoping they stick with a N/A motor(s), at least for the base/mid-level trims.

The Z06 and ZR1 (and the Hellcat cars even) have been smash hits but that's a LOT of motor. 550 hp N/A and M/T or DCT, 3,500 lbs, and under $100k and this car will give a hard reboot the sport/performance market desperately needs.

Per the most recent C&D comparo, the Camaro SS 1LE is 100% the performer the Corvette is - something had to be done.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 08, 2019, 09:11:23 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 08, 2019, 08:55:07 PM
I'm sure hoping they stick with a N/A motor(s), at least for the base/mid-level trims.

The Z06 and ZR1 (and the Hellcat cars even) have been smash hits but that's a LOT of motor. 550 hp N/A and M/T or DCT, 3,500 lbs, and under $100k and this car will give a hard reboot the sport/performance market desperately needs.

Per the most recent C&D comparo, the Camaro SS 1LE is 100% the performer the Corvette is - something had to be done.
Looks like the base model will have a 480-500 hp LT2! Starting price may be as low as 60-65k! We shall see.....
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 09, 2019, 04:08:04 AM
Yeah, given that this will be the only Corvette going forward, it's unthinkable now that it'll be priced any more than a few thousand over the C7.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 09, 2019, 08:11:28 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 08, 2019, 08:27:40 PM
10 days and 30 mins.........
https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/next-gen-corvette.html
Looks pretty good from the side view.  I like the snub nose.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 09, 2019, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 09, 2019, 04:08:04 AM
Yeah, given that this will be the only Corvette going forward, it's unthinkable now that it'll be priced any more than a few thousand over the C7.

Times are changing, bruh!

There's so much competition in the space, esp. from the Pony cars (and most notably the Camaro, which IMO is the better car overall), the traditional Corvette's days were numbered.

Move the Corvette upscale, at smaller volumes but higher margin - just enough to keep the program viable, while keeping the tradition alive and keep something interesting for the hotshot engineering folks to work on.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 09, 2019, 09:26:02 AM
The Pony cars play in the 30-50k area, whereas the 'Vette lives in the 60-75k zone, and higher with some trims. The only way the Camaro is a better car is because it comes with a back seat. Even as a Pony car, the Mustang and Challenger are doing it better right now (ie, power and looks, which are what matters most to Pony car buyers).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 09, 2019, 11:01:31 AM
I still think there is a huge opportunity for GM to revive the 3rd gen Camaro's design language and basically make the Camaro a 2+2 Stingray

6th gen was a failure outside of C&D comparos so a total design reboot would not be out of the question. If there's one thing the Camaro design has been... it's inconsistent

I think a well done nod to the 2nd/3rd gen Camaros would be a smash hit
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 09, 2019, 11:28:16 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 09, 2019, 09:26:02 AM
The Pony cars play in the 30-50k area, whereas the 'Vette lives in the 60-75k zone, and higher with some trims. The only way the Camaro is a better car is because it comes with a back seat. Even as a Pony car, the Mustang and Challenger are doing it better right now (ie, power and looks, which are what matters most to Pony car buyers).

The Camaro is 99%+ the performer of the C7, and costs less and is more practical. The Mustang isn't at the level, and the Challenger is one level down from there, but both are still notable alternatives, and are most definitely eating into Corvette sales (esp. the more expensive models - ZL1, GT350, Hellcat, etc.).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 09, 2019, 11:34:39 AM
Hardly. Those willing to shell out $60k+ for a pony car is a very small group, and not one that cross shops a base Stingray. These guys/gals are about the numbers, and for a Vette the high numbers are in 6 digit territory. Conversely, the Stingray shopper generally wants a Stingray, and not a $65,000 Camaro.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 09, 2019, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 09, 2019, 11:34:39 AM
Hardly. Those willing to shell out $60k+ for a pony car is a very small group, and not one that cross shops a base Stingray. These guys/gals are about the numbers, and for a Vette the high numbers are in 6 digit territory. Conversely, the Stingray shopper generally wants a Stingray, and not a $65,000 Camaro.

Might be a small group, but in general, $60k pony car buyers outnumber Corvette buyers as of late.

Individual trim levels production numbers are hard to come by, but from what I can find, the uber pony cars have had some banner sales figures - the peaks figures I can find are in 2017 Ford sold ~7,100 GT350s (https://www.teamshelby.com/topic/94100-2017-gt350-production-numbers/) and in 2016 Mopar sold ~12,000 Hellcat Challengers (https://www.torquenews.com/106/2016-dodge-challenger-hellcat-production-numbers-arrive-online-67) (and note that does not include Hellcat Chargers or GC). That there alone is 19,100 and bests the C7's 2018 sales (18,000, down almost ~50% since the C7 debut). I can't find anything on the ZL1 but let's say it's 5,000 total, and well, that's a lot of $60k+ pony car buyers.

Of course we'll never know the true numbers of C7 sales lost to pony cars, but my bet is it's in the 8k - 12k range, and it'd probably only get worse, as uber pony cars get better, more interesting, and more numerous (GT500). GM knows that the traditional Corvette is going to have a very tough go in such a market and precisely why GM is remaking the Corvette into a different car, esp. price point.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 09, 2019, 03:45:46 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 09, 2019, 11:01:31 AM
I still think there is a huge opportunity for GM to revive the 3rd gen Camaro's design language and basically make the Camaro a 2+2 Stingray

6th gen was a failure outside of C&D comparos so a total design reboot would not be out of the question. If there's one thing the Camaro design has been... it's inconsistent

I think a well done nod to the 2nd/3rd gen Camaros would be a smash hit
I think this is whats gonna happen! I'm pretty sure that why GM said The Camaro wouldn't be continuing on the Alpha Platform! I'd try to utilize the C7 chassis for the 7th Gen Camaro! Then All the guys that are crying about The C8 not having a manual can get their front engine MANUAL sports car!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 10, 2019, 06:25:45 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 09, 2019, 12:42:35 PM
Might be a small group, but in general, $60k pony car buyers outnumber Corvette buyers as of late.

Individual trim levels production numbers are hard to come by, but from what I can find, the uber pony cars have had some banner sales figures - the peaks figures I can find are in 2017 Ford sold ~7,100 GT350s (https://www.teamshelby.com/topic/94100-2017-gt350-production-numbers/) and in 2016 Mopar sold ~12,000 Hellcat Challengers (https://www.torquenews.com/106/2016-dodge-challenger-hellcat-production-numbers-arrive-online-67) (and note that does not include Hellcat Chargers or GC). That there alone is 19,100 and bests the C7's 2018 sales (18,000, down almost ~50% since the C7 debut). I can't find anything on the ZL1 but let's say it's 5,000 total, and well, that's a lot of $60k+ pony car buyers.

Of course we'll never know the true numbers of C7 sales lost to pony cars, but my bet is it's in the 8k - 12k range, and it'd probably only get worse, as uber pony cars get better, more interesting, and more numerous (GT500). GM knows that the traditional Corvette is going to have a very tough go in such a market and precisely why GM is remaking the Corvette into a different car, esp. price point.
People buying performance cars use other criterion besides C&D performance tests and comparo wins

And sports car sales always follow the same trajectory... they sell a shitload the first year and sales trail off precipitously. Corvette is no different
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 10, 2019, 02:58:12 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 10, 2019, 06:25:45 AM
People buying performance cars use other criterion besides C&D performance tests and comparo wins

And sports car sales always follow the same trajectory... they sell a shitload the first year and sales trail off precipitously. Corvette is no different

Correct, and they bought a LOT of uber pony cars, so much so GM had to reinvent the Corvette as a different car.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: cawimmer430 on July 15, 2019, 09:23:38 AM
Six 2020 Corvette Prototypes Spotted Departing The Nurburgring

We're only a few days away from Chevrolet unveiling the all-new 2020 mid-engine Corvette, an event that you'll be able to follow online via livestream.

Proceedings will kick off on July 18 at 7:30 pm PDT / 10:30 pm EDT, and you can get in on the action using this link. Until then, the automaker is apparently calling for all hands to be on deck, as no fewer than six Corvette C8 prototypes were spotted recently departing their testing grounds at the Nurburgring.

(https://images.carscoops.com/2019/07/dc62cef6-2020-corvette-six-prototypes-leaving-ring-2.jpg)

These prototypes, getting loaded onto a transport truck, are all heavily camouflaged and there aren't any new visual cues for us to pick up on, especially since they are the exact same cars that had previously been scooped during track tests in Germany.

Recently, it has been reported that the C8 Corvette's naturally-aspirated 6.2-liter V8 engine will be known as the 'LT2', and that it will initially equip the entry-level Stingray version.

(https://images.carscoops.com/2019/07/ec8af51d-2020-corvette-six-prototypes-leaving-ring-1.jpg)

While largely the same as the current LT1 6.2-liter V8 from the C7, Chevrolet has apparently updated the unit's active fuel management system and also made various valve improvements for the sake of refinement. In terms of power, it could produce somewhere between 480 and 500 horses, giving it a slight edge over the 460 HP currently offered up in the C7 Stingray Z51 and C7 Grand Sport models. As for torque, that should also go up from 465 lb-ft (630 Nm) to around 480 lb-ft (650 Nm).

(https://images.carscoops.com/2019/07/e8bf6e60-2020-corvette-six-prototypes-leaving-ring-5.jpg)

Power will be sent to the rear wheels via an automatic transmission, possibly of the dual-clutch variety. Meanwhile, later models will definitely boast more power and should include a twin-turbo V8 as well as a twin-turbo V8 hybrid with upwards of 1,000 HP.

We've also gotten a better look inside the 2020 Corvette C8 as of recently. Aside from the new two-spoke steering wheel, the mid-engine American supercar will also come with a digital instrument cluster, sleek air vents, electronic parking brake, stylish metallic accents and an infotainment display with thick bezels.


Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/07/six-2020-corvette-prototypes-spotted-departing-the-nurburgring/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 15, 2019, 09:56:02 AM
One of them has a small lip spoiler instead of that sad looking wing. Nice!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 15, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
Interesting to see what the performance numbers are.  Aero is key.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 15, 2019, 10:20:46 AM
Lol, maybe they read all the shitposts against the wing, and they're scrambling to see if it works without one.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 15, 2019, 10:40:43 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 15, 2019, 10:20:46 AM
Lol, maybe they read all the shitposts against the wing, and they're scrambling to see if it works without one.

They've always had different spoiler/wing options. Why would the C8 be different?

I guarantee they're all functional.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 15, 2019, 12:01:06 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 15, 2019, 10:40:43 AM
They've always had different spoiler/wing options. Why would the C8 be different?

I guarantee they're all functional.
No doubt they all do something. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 15, 2019, 12:13:27 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 15, 2019, 10:20:46 AM
Lol, maybe they read all the shitposts against the wing, and they're scrambling to see if it works without one.

No, for many reasons, the chief of them being those that complain on forums do not and will not buy the car.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 15, 2019, 12:25:57 PM
I was joking.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 15, 2019, 12:28:48 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 15, 2019, 12:25:57 PM
I was joking.

Joking is immoral and fascist.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 15, 2019, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on July 15, 2019, 12:28:48 PM
Joking is immoral and fascist.

By definition?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 93JC on July 15, 2019, 01:36:01 PM
Just take the L.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 15, 2019, 01:39:54 PM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on July 15, 2019, 12:28:48 PM
Joking is immoral and fascist.
Only in Bizarro World.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 15, 2019, 01:40:16 PM
Quote from: 93JC on July 15, 2019, 01:36:01 PM
Just take the L.
What is the L?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 15, 2019, 01:53:21 PM
Limelight. Or laurels. Maybe victory Lap?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 15, 2019, 08:19:56 PM
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/07/twin-turbo-v8-lt7-engine-for-c8-corvette-z06-leaks/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 93JC on July 15, 2019, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 15, 2019, 01:40:16 PM
What is the L?

Quote from: Rockraven on July 15, 2019, 01:53:21 PM
Limelight. Or laurels. Maybe victory Lap?

In internetry, as in life, and pro sports, there are Ws and Ls.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 16, 2019, 06:51:57 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 15, 2019, 08:19:56 PM
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/07/twin-turbo-v8-lt7-engine-for-c8-corvette-z06-leaks/
Makes sense.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 16, 2019, 08:42:41 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 15, 2019, 12:25:57 PM
I was joking.

Others have taken the L for you, so I'll let it be ;).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 16, 2019, 09:05:47 AM
Hmmmm. I remain a bit skeptical. GM's 6.2L 755 hp LT5 S/C V8 from a value proposition standpoint (performance/size/weight) can only be challenged by MAYBE the TT V8s in the Ferrari 488 or McLaren whatever (at 3x+ the cost of course). One distinct disadvantage however to a S/C V8 is that its CG (and obviously height) is much higher, and that may have been enough...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 16, 2019, 11:06:27 AM
Wait, the mid-engine Corvette is actually happening?  And there's not going to be a manual?  A mid-engine automatic-only Corvette.


I guess there's no more Corvette. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 16, 2019, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 16, 2019, 09:05:47 AM
Hmmmm. I remain a bit skeptical. GM's 6.2L 755 hp LT5 S/C V8 from a value proposition standpoint (performance/size/weight) can only be challenged by MAYBE the TT V8s in the Ferrari 488 or McLaren whatever (at 3x+ the cost of course). One distinct disadvantage however to a S/C V8 is that its CG (and obviously height) is much higher, and that may have been enough...
Value is irrelevant in this space... I sincerely doubt anyone with the means to buy a Ferrari 488 is cross shopping it against any Corvette

These purchases are 99% right brain
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 16, 2019, 11:39:24 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 16, 2019, 11:35:12 AM
Value is irrelevant in this space... I sincerely doubt anyone with the means to buy a Ferrari 488 is cross shopping it against any Corvette

These purchases are 99% right brain

Value is very important. It basically defines the Corvette. How many units do you think they'd sell if the 'Vette were as much as a 488?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 16, 2019, 12:13:22 PM
Value = advantage, not cost.

But yes, "value" does matter for a Corvette.  Even though GM is moving the Corvette upmarket, and there have been plenty of takers for the C7 Z06 and ZR1, there'll be virtually no buyers at the $250k+ price point.

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 16, 2019, 12:43:40 PM
I said that the wrong way... yes value absolutely defines the Corvette... which is why comparing it to a 488 only makes sense for bench racers

Someone with the means and desire to acquire a 488 might respect a Corvette's abilities but probably has zero desire to own one solely due to what it represents. Cougs relentless bench racing completely misses the actual way people approach buying performance cars
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 16, 2019, 01:04:42 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 16, 2019, 12:43:40 PM
I said that the wrong way... yes value absolutely defines the Corvette... which is why comparing it to a 488 only makes sense for bench racers

Someone with the means and desire to acquire a 488 might respect a Corvette's abilities but probably has zero desire to own one solely due to what it represents. Cougs relentless bench racing completely misses the actual way people approach buying performance cars

How do people approach buying performance cars?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 16, 2019, 01:29:35 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 16, 2019, 01:04:42 PM
How do people approach buying performance cars?
Test drive them? :huh:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 16, 2019, 01:34:22 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 16, 2019, 01:04:42 PM
How do people approach buying performance cars?
For the most part, emotionally and irrationally......... how else can one justify eating six figure depreciation for unusable performance wrapped up in completely impractical packages? You think people buy Ferraris the way we buy mainstreamers?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 16, 2019, 02:20:43 PM
Corvettes are the cars to buy if you want to get into track days, autocross, etc. Ferraris are for posing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on July 16, 2019, 02:24:29 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 16, 2019, 02:20:43 PM
Corvettes are the cars to buy if you want to get into track days, autocross, etc. Ferraris are for posing.

https://youtu.be/UKm-wcxkl5U?t=34
https://youtu.be/8PQ4VGMDMQU?t=19
https://youtu.be/Z-4v4I7Gzk0?t=31
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: veeman on July 16, 2019, 05:42:17 PM
Google searching corvette forums, very few percentage of corvette owners track their cars. Even the high performance ones.  Probably more BMW M owners track their cars than Corvette owners. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 16, 2019, 06:24:29 PM
Quote from: veeman on July 16, 2019, 05:42:17 PM
Google searching corvette forums, very few percentage of corvette owners track their cars. Even the high performance ones.  Probably more BMW M owners track their cars than Corvette owners. 
Hopefully, the C8 will manage more than a couple of laps before limping home wheezing steam. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 16, 2019, 06:44:25 PM
Corvettes and Ferraris are the exact same kind of purchase. The only difference is the financial demographics.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 16, 2019, 07:27:27 PM
Quote from: veeman on July 16, 2019, 05:42:17 PM
Google searching corvette forums, very few percentage of corvette owners track their cars. Even the high performance ones.  Probably more BMW M owners track their cars than Corvette owners. 

But show up an event and there are usually a lot of Corvettes there. They're one of the staples, along with Miatas.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 17, 2019, 05:18:31 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 16, 2019, 06:44:25 PM
Corvettes and Ferraris are the exact same kind of purchase. The only difference is the financial demographics.
Yes, exactly

And I am not knocking either... if I could afford either I'd probably have one.

But the suggestion that anyone is choosing a Corvette over a Ferrari because of specs/stats per $$$ is completely ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 17, 2019, 08:56:40 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 16, 2019, 07:27:27 PM
But show up an event and there are usually a lot of Corvettes there. They're one of the staples, along with Miatas.

New Corvettes are pretty uncommon at such events.  C5s and older C6s are quite popular as trackday toys.  Very capable, huge aftermarket, and pretty inexpensive.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 17, 2019, 09:01:56 AM
So where's the big reveal happening tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 17, 2019, 09:15:44 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 16, 2019, 06:44:25 PM
Corvettes and Ferraris are the exact same kind of purchase. The only difference is the financial demographics.

I don't know.  Maybe I've been driving my Z4 for so long I look at a car like a Corvette and I think "Oh hey, this car is really comfortable and practical, it would make a great daily driver and a pretty good family car".  But I think my perceptions are skewed now. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 17, 2019, 09:17:39 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 17, 2019, 09:01:56 AM
So where's the big reveal happening tomorrow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuKs9BYLXm0

Quote from: FoMoJo on July 16, 2019, 06:24:29 PM
Hopefully, the C8 will manage more than a couple of laps before limping home wheezing steam. :ohyeah:
I'll bet you my Vette that'll it'll do more laps than a GT350 does before the rear dif blows up...........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 17, 2019, 10:02:23 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 17, 2019, 09:17:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuKs9BYLXm0
I'll bet you my Vette that'll it'll do more laps than a GT350 does before the rear dif blows up...........
Should be exciting.  Hope you're able to sleep tonight. :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 17, 2019, 11:32:50 AM
Quote from: MX793 on July 17, 2019, 08:56:40 AM
New Corvettes are pretty uncommon at such events.  C5s and older C6s are quite popular as trackday toys.  Very capable, huge aftermarket, and pretty inexpensive.
There was a C7 GS behind me when I crashed at my track day... a few SSs as well. People take their new cars out
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 17, 2019, 02:40:03 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 17, 2019, 11:32:50 AM
There was a C7 GS behind me when I crashed at my track day... a few SSs as well. People take their new cars out

Sure, I see the odd C7 at an autocross as well, but C5s are way more common at track or amateur competition.  Especially properly race prepped (aero, cage, gutted interior).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 17, 2019, 03:52:00 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 17, 2019, 10:02:23 AM
Should be exciting.  Hope you're able to sleep tonight. :lol:
I got ants in my pants!!!! LOL!!!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on July 17, 2019, 04:49:34 PM
C5s are more common at autocrosses. C7s are more prevalent at showroom stock track days.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 18, 2019, 12:18:50 PM
10:30 pm, what the hell?? :confused:

I'll likely be asleep by then :huh:.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 18, 2019, 12:26:14 PM
Lol yeah, and prolly an hour of history blah blah blah before the actual reveal. I'll be watching it on Youtube on the shitter 5:30 tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 18, 2019, 01:07:51 PM
That doesn't quite add up - to me it says something's off. Probably not with the car, but the venue or PR stunt or ?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 18, 2019, 01:10:04 PM
The reveal is in California - it's at 7:30 PM local time, which is entirely reasonable.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on July 18, 2019, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on July 18, 2019, 01:10:04 PM
The reveal is in California - it's at 7:30 PM local time, which is entirely reasonable.

Did Chevy forget about the entire east coast of America?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 18, 2019, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on July 18, 2019, 01:10:04 PM
The reveal is in California - it's at 7:30 PM local time, which is entirely reasonable.
Great if you're on Pacific time.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 18, 2019, 01:24:24 PM
As if this doesn't happen all the time with major things happening on either coast.  Get over it.

:wtf:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 18, 2019, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: Submariner on July 18, 2019, 01:15:05 PM
Did Chevy forget about the entire east coast of America?

You mean the approximately ten people on the east coast that would actually watch it live? ;)

The event is for journalists, not customers. They just want the story ready for Friday morning's news cycle. It's not like they're going to lose any customers because a few people saw tomorrow morning instead of tonight.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on July 18, 2019, 03:32:02 PM
(https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/attachments/c8-general-discussion/48303785d1563478660-full-interior-shot-photo400.jpg)

I want to push everyone of those buttons.  :lol:

Not sure if the row of buttons is the best in ergonomics, but overall I like this, except for the monitor that looks as integrated as an aftermarket bolt on. Mercedes did this look horribly a few years ago.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 18, 2019, 03:37:12 PM
I must say, that's a bold and badass cockpit.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 18, 2019, 04:20:38 PM
Quick, turn on your rear defroster while driving. No, not the heated seats... oh, now you turned on the passenger seat cooler... fuck, just pull over.

Also, fuck your passenger's left arm.

Terrible design.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 18, 2019, 04:30:52 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 18, 2019, 04:20:38 PM
Quick, turn on your rear defroster while driving. No, not the heated seats... oh, now you turned on the passenger seat cooler... fuck, just pull over.

Also, fuck your passenger's left arm.

Terrible design.

It looks fwd of the passenger's arm, but yeah... not sure I like that button stack. The rest is cool. If a short throw stick was available, I'd be looking over my finances.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 18, 2019, 04:50:08 PM
Uh, that roller coaster of BUTTONS looks sorta like a troll meme...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 18, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
Well, Chevy's going to get trolled hard for it. Might take pressure off the ugly wing.  :lol:

Better than menus/submenus to turn on the wipers though.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 18, 2019, 06:11:17 PM
Those buttons are dreadful
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 18, 2019, 06:14:53 PM
Quote from: r0tor on July 18, 2019, 06:11:17 PM
Those buttons are dreadful
Porsche has done it for years now and nobody complained.........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 18, 2019, 06:27:45 PM
I hope it's not even buttons, but a MBP touchbar. :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 18, 2019, 06:56:42 PM
I won't pass final judgement on the button stack yet. But does anyone else see historic Corvette Easter eggs in the interior? The split dash cover like late C4s, the dash vents resemble the front end of an early chrome bumper C3, etc.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 18, 2019, 07:05:51 PM
Why is the steering wheel square?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 18, 2019, 07:11:29 PM
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--l50muqoh--/c_scale,dpr_2.0,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/qrvkmrmahdl3fbpbvaoy.jpg)

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--d17c_zFc--/c_scale,dpr_2.0,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/gez6podh2hgvptydfz0b.jpg)

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RGRy4Ts4--/c_scale,dpr_2.0,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/zmgzikpttz71qq8hiiha.jpg)

IT doesn't look bad... but it also doesn't look like a Corvette. Even the old mid engine concepts still looked Corvettish.

Now all we need to know is the price
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 18, 2019, 07:20:10 PM
Well the outside looks damn good
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 18, 2019, 07:31:28 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 18, 2019, 06:27:45 PM
I hope it's not even buttons, but a MBP touchbar. :lol:

Looks like real buttons, and zooming in it looks like there are little bumps so one can feel which button it is.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 18, 2019, 07:34:07 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 18, 2019, 07:11:29 PM
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--l50muqoh--/c_scale,dpr_2.0,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/qrvkmrmahdl3fbpbvaoy.jpg)

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--d17c_zFc--/c_scale,dpr_2.0,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/gez6podh2hgvptydfz0b.jpg)

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RGRy4Ts4--/c_scale,dpr_2.0,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/zmgzikpttz71qq8hiiha.jpg)

IT doesn't look bad... but it also doesn't look like a Corvette. Even the old mid engine concepts still looked Corvettish.

Now all we need to know is the price

Is that really it? Looks great! I totally see mid-engine Corvette. I think they nailed the exterior.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 18, 2019, 07:36:00 PM
Quote from: MX793 on July 18, 2019, 07:05:51 PM
Why is the steering wheel square?

Because racing ones are.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 18, 2019, 07:54:32 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 18, 2019, 07:11:29 PM
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--l50muqoh--/c_scale,dpr_2.0,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/qrvkmrmahdl3fbpbvaoy.jpg)

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--d17c_zFc--/c_scale,dpr_2.0,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/gez6podh2hgvptydfz0b.jpg)

Thats still a rendering but I'm willing to bet it's pretty damn close!

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RGRy4Ts4--/c_scale,dpr_2.0,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/zmgzikpttz71qq8hiiha.jpg)

IT doesn't look bad... but it also doesn't look like a Corvette. Even the old mid engine concepts still looked Corvettish.

Now all we need to know is the price
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on July 18, 2019, 07:56:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4TeO9Ht.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 18, 2019, 08:31:43 PM
Fuck it, I'm staying up to watch it. Hope it's better than the Duran Duran Miata reveal.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 18, 2019, 08:34:43 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 18, 2019, 08:31:43 PM
Fuck it, I'm staying up to watch it. Hope it's better than the Duran Duran Miata reveal.  :lol:
:cheers:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 18, 2019, 09:03:06 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 18, 2019, 08:31:43 PM
Fuck it, I'm staying up to watch it. Hope it's better than the Duran Duran Miata reveal.  :lol:

Duran Duran + Miata? How could that be a bad thing?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on July 18, 2019, 09:10:22 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 18, 2019, 08:31:43 PM
Fuck it, I'm staying up to watch it. Hope it's better than the Duran Duran Miata reveal.  :lol:

I got up early to watch it. If there was not Corvette blended into the bottom left, I would have thought I was watching a NASA broadcast.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 18, 2019, 09:32:56 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on July 18, 2019, 09:10:22 PM
I got up early to watch it. If there was not Corvette blended into the bottom left, I would have thought I was watching a NASA broadcast.  :lol:
WORD! That render was dead on!!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 18, 2019, 09:50:27 PM
I think it's merely OK. Mid engine cars aren't that exciting looking to me, except for the top end stuff (P1, Huayra, etc)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 18, 2019, 09:54:09 PM
Front lift system will remember the locations you use it at. Thats dope! I wudda like to see at least 500hp tho!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on July 18, 2019, 09:54:16 PM
0-60 in under 3 seconds, starts at under $60,000. Yikes!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 18, 2019, 09:57:53 PM
Under 60k Base price! WOW!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 18, 2019, 10:00:20 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 18, 2019, 09:54:09 PM
Front lift system will remember the locations you use it at. Thats dope! I wudda like to see at least 500hp tho!

495, right? I bet they'll bump it to just over 500 after 2-3 years
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 18, 2019, 10:01:52 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 18, 2019, 10:00:20 PM
495, right? I bet they'll bump it to just over 500 after 2-3 years
Yup! And faster than a C7 Z06! Damn lemme check my bank account........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 18, 2019, 10:02:39 PM
Goddamn that white one was nice! And the gunmetal gray one with the roof off and tan interior! Under $60k to start!!! Fuck me some big life choices are coming up.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on July 18, 2019, 10:04:20 PM
I like the small spoiler more then something like on a GT2
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 18, 2019, 10:08:26 PM
Supra who?   :lol:  Toyota just got dildoed by a Saturn V moonshot.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 18, 2019, 10:19:37 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 18, 2019, 09:50:27 PM
I think it's merely OK. Mid engine cars aren't that exciting looking to me, except for the top end stuff (P1, Huayra, etc)

Well, mid-engine cars have been done for a while obviously, but few have been production cars with the engineering resources of a full-line automaker intent on making it daily livable; the R8, NSX, maybe one or two others.

The chassis is interesting - getting away from the traditional tub style to a "backbone" style. Other than that, 495 hp pooprod LT2, 8sp DCT by Getrag (probably the smartest decision), 0-60 in under 3 sec., coil spring only, under $60k base MSRP.

Given what Chevy did with the 6the gen Camaro, this stands to be a world beater, not merely "great for the price," a tagline that seems to have always accompanied the Corvette's value proposition. I see a car objectively better than the 911, and pretty much anything else under $150k. You have to get into the R8 and NSX to find competition.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 18, 2019, 10:19:56 PM
 :wub:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 18, 2019, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 18, 2019, 10:19:37 PM
Well, mid-engine cars have been done for a while obviously, but few have been production cars with the engineering resources of a full-line automaker intent on making it daily livable; the R8, NSX, maybe one or two others.

The chassis is interesting - getting away from the traditional tub style to a "backbone" style. Other than that, 495 hp pooprod LT2, 8sp DCT by Getrag (probably the smartest decision), 0-60 in under 3 sec., coil spring only, under $60k base MSRP.

Given what Chevy did with the 6the gen Camaro, this stands to be a world beater, not merely "great for the price," a tagline that seems to have always accompanied the Corvette's value proposition. I see a car objectively better than the 911, and pretty much anything else under $150k. You have to get into the R8 and NSX to find competition.

I was only talking about the styling.

I'd gladly drive one.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on July 18, 2019, 10:41:16 PM
The front end is the weakest part, but it looks good overall.

Under 60k is a killer deal.  I think the new Z06 and ZR1 models will be amazing. Maybe in 8 years you can pick up a used C8 ZR1 for like 50 grand.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 18, 2019, 10:43:15 PM
Also glad to see no turbos and no hybrid stuff.

I would have expected more than 495 hp, but then again, since the rebirth of the small block in 1993, updates have only ever been incremental (save for the LS7, something that hasn't been equaled to this very day).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on July 18, 2019, 10:46:46 PM
Oh also another change for Corvette, coil springs at all 4 corners,  no more leaf springs. 

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 2o6 on July 18, 2019, 10:49:11 PM
It's a little generic looking, but it's really good value. It's kind of like an Aldi brand Ferrari 458.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 2o6 on July 18, 2019, 11:02:50 PM
Also, am I crazy for getting Ferrari 360 Modena vibes?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 18, 2019, 11:17:12 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on July 18, 2019, 11:02:50 PM
Also, am I crazy for getting Ferrari 360 Modena vibes?

no you're just crazy
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 18, 2019, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on July 18, 2019, 11:02:50 PM
Also, am I crazy for getting Ferrari 360 Modena vibes?

Front end definitely. Just more angular.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 2o6 on July 18, 2019, 11:18:13 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 18, 2019, 11:17:12 PM
no you're just crazy


Just very vaguely in how the front fascia is resolved.


Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 18, 2019, 11:17:54 PM
Front end definitely. Just more angular.

See! Not crazy.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 18, 2019, 11:21:12 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on July 18, 2019, 10:49:11 PM
It's a little generic looking, but it's really good value. It's kind of like an Aldi brand Ferrari 458.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 18, 2019, 11:02:50 PM
Also, am I crazy for getting Ferrari 360 Modena vibes?

I think all those V8 MR Ferraris have pretty similar shapes and proportions, and I get a similar vibe from this car. But to some extent, that's just a side effect of an MR layout. The side scoop looks a bit over the top in some angles, so I'll be curious to see it in person, but overall it looks pretty nice, and just about what I expected, really.

It's pretty insane that this is gonna be $60k. Isn't that how much a new Elise cost when they were still around?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on July 19, 2019, 12:12:21 AM
Will ordering one with upholstery knock the price up to $150k?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 19, 2019, 04:21:38 AM
Specifications
2020 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray
VEHICLE TYPE
mid-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 2-passenger, 2-door targa
ENGINE TYPE
pushrod 16-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection
Displacement

376 cu in, 6162 cc
Power
490 or 495 hp @ 6450 rpm
Torque

465 or 470 lb-ft @ 5150 rpm
TRANSMISSION
8-speed dual-clutch automatic with manual shifting mode
CHASSIS
Suspension (F/R): control arms/control arms
Brakes (F/R): 12.6- or 13.3-in vented disc/13.6- or 13.8-in vented disc
Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 ZP or Pilot Sport 4S ZP; F: 245/45ZR-19, R: 305/30ZR-20
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase: 107.2 in
Length: 182.3 in
Width: 76.1 in
Height: 48.6 in
Passenger volume: 51 cu ft
Cargo volume: 13 cu ft
Curb weight (C/D est): 3600 lb
PERFORMANCE (C/D EST)
Zero to 60 mph: 2.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 8.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.0 sec
Top speed: 190 mph
EPA FUEL ECONOMY (C/D EST)
Combined/city/highway: 19/16/26 mpg
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: mzziaz on July 19, 2019, 04:59:29 AM
What an amazing package! No other manufacturer is even close in offering so much for 60k. I wonder how they will price the options.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 05:01:58 AM
GM has a hit. Supra, GT-R and NSX look stupid. Still not crazy about the looks or interior but I could say that about any Corvette in the last 50 years. I'd still buy one
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 05:06:26 AM
Damn, this might be the death of the Camaro too. Why bother with an ugly obese ZL1? What the fuck GM. This is a game changer. Damn near every 60kish performance car looks stupid now.

182" is big for a 2 seater though. But it's still light (for 2020) so it's fine
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 19, 2019, 05:20:08 AM
The hoopla and accolades recall the introduction of the original NSX. I remember the magazines calling it a game changer and all for a starting price under $60,000! That was 30 years ago. What's today's $60K 30 years ago? $35,000?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 19, 2019, 05:27:17 AM
$60,000 in 2019 adjusts to $29,046.27 in 1989.  :confused:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 19, 2019, 05:36:53 AM
Seems like a solid package and good deal... Hopefully it proves to be well sorted out
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 19, 2019, 06:03:48 AM
I am impressed...particularly at the price. Love that they are sticking with the pooprod engine. To be honest I can't see myself buying one now (no where to put it), but I could see myself buying one when I retire.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 19, 2019, 06:18:38 AM
Configurator is up!

https://www.chevrolet.com/upcoming-vehicles/next-generation-corvette
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 06:28:05 AM
$60k?  That is fuckin' unreal, in a really good way.  Think there'll be a lot of dealership markup? :mask:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 06:54:41 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 05:01:58 AM
GM has a hit. Supra, GT-R and NSX look stupid.
The Supra looked stupid against the C7! This blows it out the water!  :lol:

Quote from: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 06:28:05 AM
$60k?  That is fuckin' unreal, in a really good way.  Think there'll be a lot of dealership markup? :mask:
GM said they will cut the allotments of any dealer marking the C8 up!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 06:56:53 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 19, 2019, 06:54:41 AM
GM said they will cut the allotments of any dealer marking the C8 up!

Good.  I can't wait to see these on the road.  I see a decent number of Corvettes...and now they're making a mid-engine near-supercar...for the masses.  Just awesome.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 07:08:40 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 06:56:53 AM
Good.  I can't wait to see these on the road.  I see a decent number of Corvettes...and now they're making a mid-engine near-supercar...for the masses.  Just awesome.
Me too! Now I'm torn between a C7 Z06 and a base C8...........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 07:11:31 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 19, 2019, 07:08:40 AM
Me too! Now I'm torn between a C7 Z06 and a base C8...........

Between those two, I'd probably go C8.  It's a goddamn mid-engine machine of glory...for $60k!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 19, 2019, 07:16:35 AM
Wow.  Incredible value.  They did it completely right too.

Bespoke aluminum, mid engine chassis.  NA V8 Pooprod.  DCT developed for the car.  Can fit 2 golf bags.  Removable targe roof that can fit in the rear trunk.

I don't like how it looks at all, but for what this offers, who cares?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 19, 2019, 07:17:17 AM
The only advantage of a C7 over a C8 is the available manual transmission. But who knows, they might eventually put one in the C8 (if enough buyers actually lobby for it).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 19, 2019, 07:19:04 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 06:28:05 AM
$60k?  That is fuckin' unreal, in a really good way.  Think there'll be a lot of dealership markup? :mask:

Only for the first three years.

And guess how much your C7 trade in is now worth....
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 07:26:52 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 19, 2019, 05:27:17 AM
$60,000 in 2019 adjusts to $29,046.27 in 1989.  :confused:
'89 Corvette started at $31.5K. I think most cars have held steady in price WRT inflation for the last ~40 years

I am tired of people crying about how overpriced cars are
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 19, 2019, 07:28:14 AM
C7 prices are going to tank so hard.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 07:28:50 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 07:11:31 AM
Between those two, I'd probably go C8.  It's a goddamn mid-engine machine of glory...for $60k!
True! But I'm trynna ball on a budget! LOL!!!! I'm sure it'll be some good deals on C7s (especially base models) real soon! I'll wait to see how much a C8 would cost with the options I want! 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 19, 2019, 07:29:46 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 07:26:52 AM
'89 Corvette started at $31.5K. I think most cars have held steady in price WRT inflation for the last ~40 years

I am tired of people crying about how overpriced cars are

Oh I know, was just adding some perspective. The NSX was considered a raging deal 30 years ago. The C8 is equivalent to HALF that.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 19, 2019, 07:30:10 AM
2LT with Z51 package...Over under $74k?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 07:30:47 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2019, 07:30:10 AM
2LT with Z51 package...Over under $74k?

Will there be a Z71 Off Road package tho?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 19, 2019, 07:31:24 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2019, 07:28:14 AM
C7 prices are going to tank so hard.

New ones still on the lot, yeah. Used ones won't be affected much, imho.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 19, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 19, 2019, 07:31:24 AM
New ones still on the lot, yeah. Used ones won't be affected much, imho.


Why buy a C7 used for $45k when C8s will available for $55k with a few thousand miles on them?  It's going to push C7s down hard.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 07:40:17 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Why buy a C7 used for $45k when C8s will available for $55k with a few thousand miles on them?  It's going to push C7s down hard.

Not a bad thing for anyone besides people looking to sell.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 19, 2019, 07:52:29 AM
I don't think it is so obvious that the C7 prices will shrink. Some people prefer the front engine layout (probably for looks).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 07:56:10 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 07:40:17 AM
Not a bad thing for anyone besides people looking to sell.
Good for me! LOL!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 07:56:41 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2019, 07:30:10 AM
2LT with Z51 package...Over under $74k?
I think right around 68 Large!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 19, 2019, 08:03:50 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 19, 2019, 07:56:41 AM
I think right around 68 Large!

There's no way.  That plus a supplier discount code...:mask:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 19, 2019, 08:08:03 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2019, 08:03:50 AM
There's no way.  That plus a supplier discount code...:mask:

I can imagine they might not let customers use those types of discounts, or at least not in the first model year or two.

I know from talking to my brother you can't get an STI with the employee discount.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 19, 2019, 08:11:24 AM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on July 19, 2019, 08:08:03 AM
I can imagine they might not let customers use those types of discounts, or at least not in the first model year or two.

I know from talking to my brother you can't get an STI with the employee discount.

Yeah, probably not for the first year or two.  But the C7 was eligible all the way up to the ZR1.  I would imagine this would eligible once the hype dies down.  So now you're talking another $3k off MSRP?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 93JC on July 19, 2019, 09:07:15 AM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/349e980f40ffa867909c7b6edee3fa76/tenor.gif?itemid=4971283)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 19, 2019, 09:27:19 AM
I like the styling of this one. Can I get this body + C8 underpinnings?

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/20/2048x1024/landscape-1431523094-midenginecorvette.jpg?resize=5760:*)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 09:32:16 AM
Wtf GM

How
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 09:33:12 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2019, 08:03:50 AM
There's no way.  That plus a supplier discount code...:mask:
With a starting price of 60k I fugure at least $3500 for the 2LT package and $4000 for the Z51 Package.........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 19, 2019, 09:42:55 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 09:32:16 AM
Wtf GM

How

They gotta be losing money.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 19, 2019, 09:55:02 AM
I'd say most Vettes will be decently optioned, and an average MSRP more like $70K. Then the hipo versions (Z06, Zora?) will make the program profitable. That GM pulled this off without any partnership (lol Toyota-BMW) is still pretty spectacular.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 19, 2019, 09:55:02 AM
I'd say most Vettes will be decently optioned, and an average MSRP more like $70K. Then the hipo versions (Z06, Zora?) will make the program profitable. That GM pulled this off without any partnership (lol Toyota-BMW) is still pretty spectacular.

Plot twist:  It's actually just a RWD C7 with clever body work and a plastic replica of the engine in the back.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 19, 2019, 10:19:36 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 19, 2019, 09:42:55 AM
They gotta be losing money.

Maybe, but my bet is not. It's a public company after all, with fiduciary duty blah blah blah. But it's an interesting exercise.

Still N/A pooprod V8 (albeit with dry sump). Yes, there's a DCT but gone is the looks-expensive-to-me torque tube and the drama of having to accommodate two disparate transmissions. Coil suspension seems cheaper than composite leaf springs. The Corvette's been on a variation of its current space frame chassis and has used a rear transaxle since 1997 and the body has been some sort of composite since 1953, so GM has these manufacturing processes dialed for maximum $$$ efficiency.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 19, 2019, 09:42:55 AM
They gotta be losing money.
The crazy thing is I don't think this is any less profitable than any previous Corvette. They've all been on standalone platforms (except maybe the C1?). They've had a standalone transaxle for the last 20 years. C7 was a clean sheet design. Only material difference is engine placement (and prob more aero)

Even if they eat some margin I think this will eat so many sales from the competition they'll still come out way ahead

I am getting heartburn having to give GM props here but they fucking nailed it :facepalm: For the money you can't even bitch about the design. Convertible looks like a fucking Ferrari :banghead:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on July 19, 2019, 10:44:28 AM
It's a backwards Chevrolet Trax. I know it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on July 19, 2019, 10:53:12 AM
I'm no GM fan but fuck me.  60k for that is incredible.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 11:05:01 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 10:37:44 AM
I am getting heartburn having to give GM props here but they fucking nailed it :facepalm: For the money you can't even bitch about the design. Convertible looks like a fucking Ferrari :banghead:
:rockon:

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 2o6 on July 19, 2019, 11:09:28 AM
Let's hope they cut this chassis down and make a Nu Fiero with the GM corporate 2.0T
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 19, 2019, 11:10:38 AM
One of the big reasons GM can pull this off is just volume alone.  They're looking to sell 40,000/year C8s.  The previous corvettes all sold in pretty big volume too.  C7 was selling almost 25k-35k the last few years I think.  For comparison, a miata is only selling like 8-11k/year.

So much of the cost of vehicles is the upfront development cost and tooling.  The profitability of a vehicle is hugely dependent on getting enough volume to spread those fixed costs.  Corvettes have a legion of FOGs in New Balances and jorts that give GM a lot of flexibility from a cost standpoint.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 11:49:23 AM
Do you think the FOGs are gonna go for a MR Corvette?  Or is this mostly going to spark the younger buyers into the arena of Corvette?  I can imagine some curmudgeonly old guys bein' like "ahhhh fuck that thing it ain't no Vette!"
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 19, 2019, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 11:49:23 AM
Do you think the FOGs are gonna go for a MR Corvette?  Or is this mostly going to spark the younger buyers into the arena of Corvette?  I can imagine some curmudgeonly old guys bein' like "ahhhh fuck that thing it ain't no Vette!"

Yeah I think this will appeal to a younger crowd. Some old guys, but maybe not all the old guys.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 19, 2019, 12:07:05 PM
Lotus also introduced a new $2 million hybrid supercar. Or something.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 19, 2019, 12:12:52 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 19, 2019, 11:49:23 AM
Do you think the FOGs are gonna go for a MR Corvette?  Or is this mostly going to spark the younger buyers into the arena of Corvette?  I can imagine some curmudgeonly old guys bein' like "ahhhh fuck that thing it ain't no Vette!"

The only issue they'd have with it is there aren't chrome wheels available.  FOGs will still buy these in droves.


I've decided what I dislike about the looks.  It's the stock rear spoiler.  Totally kills the lines.  Without it, it looks 10 times better.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 19, 2019, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2019, 12:12:52 PM
The only issue they'd have with it is there aren't chrome wheels available.  FOGs will still buy these in droves.


I've decided what I dislike about the looks.  It's the stock rear spoiler.  Totally kills the lines.  Without it, it looks 10 times better.

Yes.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 19, 2019, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2019, 12:12:52 PM
The only issue they'd have with it is there aren't chrome wheels available.  FOGs will still buy these in droves.


I've decided what I dislike about the looks.  It's the stock rear spoiler.  Totally kills the lines.  Without it, it looks 10 times better.

Apparently the spoiler is only on the Z51 package.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 19, 2019, 12:34:20 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 18, 2019, 04:20:38 PM
Quick, turn on your rear defroster while driving. No, not the heated seats... oh, now you turned on the passenger seat cooler... fuck, just pull over.

Also, fuck your passenger's left arm.

Terrible design.

Agreed. It's just a wall of buttons between you and the passenger. Also, is the engine in the fucking center console? Why is it so high and wide? This Automatic-Only Mid-Engine Chevrolet (AOMEC, from here on) is going to be a performance monster, but it's not for me.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 19, 2019, 12:39:23 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 05:06:26 AM
Damn, this might be the death of the Camaro too. Why bother with an ugly obese ZL1? What the fuck GM. This is a game changer. Damn near every 60kish performance car looks stupid now.

182" is big for a 2 seater though. But it's still light (for 2020) so it's fine


It's longer than a 911 again.

But the Camaro is already dead, I don't see a reason to kill it again.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 19, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 19, 2019, 12:14:37 PM
Yes.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on July 19, 2019, 12:15:52 PM
Apparently the spoiler is only on the Z51 package.
There's an optional big ole WANG you can get that also looks better.  The stock Z51 one is baaaad.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 19, 2019, 12:40:27 PM
Quote from: Raza  on July 19, 2019, 12:34:20 PM
Agreed. It's just a wall of buttons between you and the passenger. Also, is the engine in the fucking center console? Why is it so high and wide? This Automatic-Only Mid-Engine Chevrolet (AOMEC, from here on) is going to be a performance monster, but it's not for me.

It doesn't have a carbon tub and doesn't use the conventional tub structure idea for it's rigidity.  Has a massive tunnel to keep the body stiff.  That way they have the same chassis for convertible and coupe, and the coupe can have that removable targa top.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 19, 2019, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2019, 07:28:14 AM
C7 prices are going to tank so hard.

Hope so. It's going back on the list of possible Z4 replacements.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on July 19, 2019, 12:43:11 PM
I was thinking about a 718 GT4 but this seems like a much better deal.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 19, 2019, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2019, 12:40:27 PM
It doesn't have a carbon tub and doesn't use the conventional tub structure idea for it's rigidity.  Has a massive tunnel to keep the body stiff.  That way they have the same chassis for convertible and coupe, and the coupe can have that removable targa top.

I wonder if they're still going to do a convertible.

Anyway, I think this thing looks great and will be a huge hit. It's not a Corvette, sure, but it'll be a fucking monster.

The guy who paid 2.7 million for the last C7 probably feels like an idiot now.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
Quote from: Raza  on July 19, 2019, 12:45:29 PM
I wonder if they're still going to do a convertible.

Anyway, I think this thing looks great and will be a huge hit. It's not a Corvette, sure, but it'll be a fucking monster.

The guy who paid 2.7 million for the last C7 probably feels like an idiot now.
Yeah it's getting a power hardtop......


Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
There's an optional big ole WANG you can get that also looks better.  The stock Z51 one is baaaad.
LOL! I saw that one too! The styling of the big Wang might be a lil ricer tho!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on July 19, 2019, 01:48:15 PM
How do you get to the Z51 package?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: NomisR on July 19, 2019, 12:43:11 PM
I was thinking about a 718 GT4 but this seems like a much better deal.
I would have a hard time choosing honestly

GT4 looks better, has 3 pedals, (IMO) sounds better but I'm weird
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 19, 2019, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: Raza  on July 19, 2019, 12:45:29 PM
I wonder if they're still going to do a convertible.


It's still a targa, so structurally, it should be sound as a convertible with little-to-no extra bracing provided they have some space for the top to fold into.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on July 19, 2019, 02:29:22 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 01:52:17 PM
I would have a hard time choosing honestly

GT4 looks better, has 3 pedals, (IMO) sounds better but I'm weird

I don't know about the sound but I agree with the first two.  But the price difference though.  I wish car manufacturers would build sequential transmission cars with a clutch pedal, that would be perfect for me, I don't care too much for rowing but I do prefer a clutch for driveability.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 19, 2019, 02:49:28 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2019, 01:52:17 PM
I would have a hard time choosing honestly

GT4 looks better, has 3 pedals, (IMO) sounds better but I'm weird

I agree with that
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: NomisR on July 19, 2019, 01:48:15 PM
How do you get to the Z51 package?
It's considered an option so all you gotta do is check the box on the order sheet.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on July 19, 2019, 03:59:21 PM
The GPS front lifter is a piece of technology that is brilliant.  I bet everyone is going to steal the idea immediately (Ferrari, lambo etc).

This will certainly put the pressure on the 911, but people who want a 911 will still get one. 

This car will definitely put a absolute beat down on the more alternative sports cars that are already struggling.  Like the NSX for example.  The NSX is screwed.

Sadly I fear the new supra is kinda screwed too, this c8 is just next level for a bit more money.

It also takes the wind out if the sails of the super pony cars.  Even if the gt500 is amazing, I'd be hard pressed to justify spending more money on it.

Looking at the videos of people that went to the event and filmed the cars up close, you can really appreciate the thought that GM put into these cars.  The cargo capacity is really impressive.  Mid engine cars with a rear cargo area tend to have a very shallow one, but the C8 has a very deep one front and rear.

This is going to sell like hot cakes, and it's going to take sales from a wide range of competitors.

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 19, 2019, 04:02:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gTHIYXJ.gif)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on July 19, 2019, 04:04:28 PM
Kids should love all those buttons
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 06:35:01 PM
Quote from: 565 on July 19, 2019, 03:59:21 PM
The GPS front lifter is a piece of technology that is brilliant.  I bet everyone is going to steal the idea immediately (Ferrari, lambo etc).

This will certainly put the pressure on the 911, but people who want a 911 will still get one. 

This car will definitely put a absolute beat down on the more alternative sports cars that are already struggling.  Like the NSX for example.  The NSX is screwed.

Sadly I fear the new supra is kinda screwed too, this c8 is just next level for a bit more money.

It also takes the wind out if the sails of the super pony cars.  Even if the gt500 is amazing, I'd be hard pressed to justify spending more money on it.

Looking at the videos of people that went to the event and filmed the cars up close, you can really appreciate the thought that GM put into these cars.  The cargo capacity is really impressive.  Mid engine cars with a rear cargo area tend to have a very shallow one, but the C8 has a very deep one front and rear.

This is going to sell like hot cakes, and it's going to take sales from a wide range of competitors.


:popcorn: YUP!!!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 19, 2019, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 19, 2019, 07:08:40 AM
Me too! Now I'm torn between a C7 Z06 and a base C8...........
Go for it man :ohyeah:.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 19, 2019, 06:45:07 PM
Go for it man :ohyeah:.
You're a bad influence........ AND I LOVE IT!!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 19, 2019, 07:20:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZGCJu2OaAg
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 19, 2019, 08:27:54 PM
Did Leno really say most cars in this class come with a torque converter and a 3, 4, or 5 speed transsmission
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 19, 2019, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: MX793 on July 19, 2019, 02:02:00 PM
It's still a targa, so structurally, it should be sound as a convertible with little-to-no extra bracing provided they have some space for the top to fold into.

They are doing it:
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/screen-shot-2019-07-18-at-11-58-40-pm-1563508773.png?crop=0.551xw:0.495xh;0.119xw,0.245xh&resize=980:*)
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/screen-shot-2019-07-18-at-11-58-47-pm-1563508770.png?crop=1.00xw:0.891xh;0,0.0489xh&resize=768:*)

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a28442207/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-convertible/


That's hot as fuck.  If it had a manual, I'd buy it.  As it stands, the C7 is still more appealing to me.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 19, 2019, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: 565 on July 19, 2019, 03:59:21 PM
The GPS front lifter is a piece of technology that is brilliant.  I bet everyone is going to steal the idea immediately (Ferrari, lambo etc).

This will certainly put the pressure on the 911, but people who want a 911 will still get one. 

This car will definitely put a absolute beat down on the more alternative sports cars that are already struggling.  Like the NSX for example.  The NSX is screwed.

Sadly I fear the new supra is kinda screwed too, this c8 is just next level for a bit more money.

It also takes the wind out if the sails of the super pony cars.  Even if the gt500 is amazing, I'd be hard pressed to justify spending more money on it.

Looking at the videos of people that went to the event and filmed the cars up close, you can really appreciate the thought that GM put into these cars.  The cargo capacity is really impressive.  Mid engine cars with a rear cargo area tend to have a very shallow one, but the C8 has a very deep one front and rear.

This is going to sell like hot cakes, and it's going to take sales from a wide range of competitors.

Yeah, the Supra, so long gone, being a JV between Toyota and BMW....just got shown up by GM.  Next level is right.

The trunks remind me of my old Boxster. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 19, 2019, 09:53:05 PM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on July 19, 2019, 04:02:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gTHIYXJ.gif)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 20, 2019, 01:36:58 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 19, 2019, 07:08:40 AM
Me too! Now I'm torn between a C7 Z06 and a base C8...........

Brother bought a 2019 C7 Z06 earlier this year. I suggested he wait for the "Zora". Now he's thinking trading.  :facepalm: :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 20, 2019, 03:11:15 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28413258/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-colors-trims-features/

This is all pretty crazy. GM knocked this over the moon. I'm thinking now that they made every other $50K+ sports car an irrational purchase. Why pay $300k for a Huracan? $180k for an R8 or NSX? Only the Boxster/Cayman and low end 911 still remain viable options.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on July 20, 2019, 06:12:01 AM
I think the Supra is still mostly fine, this thing is still 10/15K more expensive and at this price point that does mater.  But man, this thing is really is making the NSX and R8 obsolete, forcing you to really ask if you want the manual of the 718, and takes all the thunder out of the GT500.  Good job GM, at least on paper this thing sounds like an absolute game changer.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on July 20, 2019, 08:12:10 AM
This thing is kinda the NSX of this generation.  Back in the 90s when all the Supercars are unreliable and super expensive, it's the car that brought everything back to the ground.  The C8 is the one doing it this time at a time when all the supercar prices are moving into the million plus. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 09:44:24 AM
I'm really impressed with what they've put together here. 

That said, having lived with a 400+ hp car for a while now, I'm actually more interested in lighter, less powerful cars.  You can't really open a car like this up on the street.  Even for something like auto-x, it's hugely overkill.  And brakes and 19/20" performance tires cost a fortune, especially if you do take it to the track or auto-x it (a set of 200TW "race" tires for my Mustang is close to $1400, and they last just over a season of auto-x, and "street" tires are about a grand a set).  Something that looks like this, but a few hundred lbs lighter (maybe a couple inches shorter in length), 18" wheels, a real stick shift, and a ~300-ish HP N/A V6 for under $50K would be awesome fun on the street, competent on the track, and still turn heads.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on July 20, 2019, 09:52:30 AM
Agreed, for my own tastes I'd prefer a Vette Elise (well, maybe a Vette M2 - I'd rather have a thick turbo torque curve than a schizo VVT cammer). Huge power is illegal and unsafe in most situations.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 20, 2019, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 09:44:24 AM
I'm really impressed with what they've put together here. 

That said, having lived with a 400+ hp car for a while now, I'm actually more interested in lighter, less powerful cars.  You can't really open a car like this up on the street.  Even for something like auto-x, it's hugely overkill.  And brakes and 19/20" performance tires cost a fortune, especially if you do take it to the track or auto-x it (a set of 200TW "race" tires for my Mustang is close to $1400, and they last just over a season of auto-x, and "street" tires are about a grand a set).  Something that looks like this, but a few hundred lbs lighter (maybe a couple inches shorter in length), 18" wheels, a real stick shift, and a ~300-ish HP N/A V6 for under $50K would be awesome fun on the street, competent on the track, and still turn heads.
Aside from the looks you just decsrided a 1LE V6 Camaro.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 20, 2019, 10:02:12 AM
Aside from the looks you just decsrided a 1LE V6 Camaro.

Other than weighing 3400 lbs, having 20" wheels (again, "affordable" performance tires are all 18" or smaller), and not being able to see a damned thing out of it.  Although I suppose the trunk space limitations on the Camaro are about the same as a mid-engine car...

Give me something like a Lotus Evora at half the price.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on July 20, 2019, 10:20:47 AM
Another Lotus Elise
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 20, 2019, 10:21:22 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 19, 2019, 07:20:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZGCJu2OaAg
From the looks of it, they did a really good job.  Love the colour of the one in the video.  I'll be interested in seeing the specs when they drop the little  DOHC V8 engine in it.  If they stretch it out to about 5.0 litire, it should be quite a screamer.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 10:10:05 AM
Other than weighing 3400 lbs, having 20" wheels (again, "affordable" performance tires are all 18" or smaller), and not being able to see a damned thing out of it.  Although I suppose the trunk space limitations on the Camaro are about the same as a mid-engine car...

Give me something like a Lotus Evora at half the price.
Can someone explain why the 370z isn't on anyone's radar

It's only flaw is it's age. A couple grand fixes all its problems
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 20, 2019, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
Can someone explain why the 370z isn't on anyone's radar

It's only flaw is it's age. A couple grand fixes all its problems

Have you driven one? :confused:

It drives like shit.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
Can someone explain why the 370z isn't on anyone's radar

It's only flaw is it's age. A couple grand fixes all its problems

Pretty much everything about that car feels like it's from 15 years ago (because, well, it is).  The interior looks worse/more plasticy than a base Mustang.  Viscous LSD is weak sauce (needs a Torsen or eDiff).  And it's kind of heavy.  For the same money as a 370Z Sport (which you need to get any kind of limited slip, base models are still open), you can get a Mustang Ecoboost Performance pack w/ Magnaride dampers.  Nicer cabin than the Z.  More usable trunk/interior space.  Only about 100 lbs heavier, slightly less power but way more low/midrange torque.  Torsen differential instead of that junk viscous unit in the Z.  Better suspension than the Z.  Much better daily driver while being every bit as capable on the track.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 20, 2019, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: 565 on July 19, 2019, 03:59:21 PM
The GPS front lifter is a piece of technology that is brilliant.  I bet everyone is going to steal the idea immediately (Ferrari, lambo etc).

It's been an option on the Model S for awhile now. As far as I know, they were the first to do the integration with GPS.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 20, 2019, 11:58:57 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 20, 2019, 11:50:57 AM
Have you driven one? :confused:

It drives like shit.

I thought he owned one at some point (350Z).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 93JC on July 20, 2019, 12:01:17 PM
What has Nissan done to put the 370Z on anyone's radar?

Frankly I'm surprised they still make and sell the 370Z, they're a very rare sight. I was even more surprised when I looked at the pricing on nissan.ca just now and found that they've dropped the base price to about $30,500; shocking considering when the car came out ten years ago it was $10,000-$15,000 more. Goes to show how putrid the demand is.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 20, 2019, 12:12:06 PM
I've always liked the 370Z (and no, no "fixes"). These Canucks loved it too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoHO9VFIeXA&t=886s

When the 350Z hit there was little competition - Just think back to the 2003 Mustang :facepalm:. When the 370Z hit in 2009, LOTS of competition - much of it cheaper, and ever more by the year.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 20, 2019, 12:21:11 PM
Also, the 3.7L isn't entirely enjoyable, esp. with a M/T. Sure, the stats are impressive - N/A, 7,600 RPM red line, 330 hp and reliable and low maintenance, but it's buzzy, doesn't sound great, and is slow-ish to rev.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 20, 2019, 12:23:20 PM
I've always liked the 350 and 370.  I'd totally drive one. But would I buy one? I dunno.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 20, 2019, 12:23:53 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
Can someone explain why the 370z isn't on anyone's radar

It's only flaw is it's age. A couple grand fixes all its problems
Not much of a looker.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: 93JC on July 20, 2019, 12:01:17 PM
What has Nissan done to put the 370Z on anyone's radar?

Frankly I'm surprised they still make and sell the 370Z, they're a very rare sight. I was even more surprised when I looked at the pricing on nissan.ca just now and found that they've dropped the base price to about $30,500; shocking considering when the car came out ten years ago it was $10,000-$15,000 more. Goes to show how putrid the demand is.

30,500 Canadian?  That's super cheap (my currency converter says that's about $24K US).  They start at 30,500 US down here south of the border.  The NISMO is $45.8K (~$59.8K CAD, way more than their price in Canada).  At Canadian prices, the Z becomes a far more compelling car.  At north of $30K US, I'll take one of the pony cars any day, every day.  Although Mustangs look to be a fair bit cheaper up in the North, too.  $33.5K CAD vs $35.5K USD for a base GT.  Converting currency, that's only $25K US.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 20, 2019, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 09:44:24 AM
I'm really impressed with what they've put together here. 

That said, having lived with a 400+ hp car for a while now, I'm actually more interested in lighter, less powerful cars.  You can't really open a car like this up on the street.  Even for something like auto-x, it's hugely overkill.  And brakes and 19/20" performance tires cost a fortune, especially if you do take it to the track or auto-x it (a set of 200TW "race" tires for my Mustang is close to $1400, and they last just over a season of auto-x, and "street" tires are about a grand a set).  Something that looks like this, but a few hundred lbs lighter (maybe a couple inches shorter in length), 18" wheels, a real stick shift, and a ~300-ish HP N/A V6 for under $50K would be awesome fun on the street, competent on the track, and still turn heads.

I completely get this. Somebody needs to build me a mid-engine 4 cyl 2 seater for under $35k. Before anyone says Elise, those fuckers were over $60k up here, and the cheapest used ones are in the 30-40k range.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 20, 2019, 01:38:40 PM
I looked up tires in C8 sizes...yeah, even for basic hi-po all seasons in those sizes you're pushing a $grand easy for a set.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 20, 2019, 02:01:27 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 20, 2019, 01:35:59 PM
I completely get this. Somebody needs to build me a mid-engine 4 cyl 2 seater for under $35k. Before anyone says Elise, those fuckers were over $60k up here, and the cheapest used ones are in the 30-40k range.

About the same here, especially after accounting for exchange rate. Cheapest used ones are in the high $20s (though still in good condition at that price), and they were $50-60k new, IIRC.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 93JC on July 20, 2019, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 01:20:42 PM
30,500 Canadian?  That's super cheap (my currency converter says that's about $24K US).  They start at 30,500 US down here south of the border.  The NISMO is $45.8K (~$59.8K CAD, way more than their price in Canada).  At Canadian prices, the Z becomes a far more compelling car.  At north of $30K US, I'll take one of the pony cars any day, every day.  Although Mustangs look to be a fair bit cheaper up in the North, too.  $33.5K CAD vs $35.5K USD for a base GT.  Converting currency, that's only $25K US.

Yeah, like I said I was shocked. When the 350Z came out in 2002 base price was $45,000 (CAD).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on July 20, 2019, 02:02:47 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 20, 2019, 01:35:59 PM
I completely get this. Somebody needs to build me a mid-engine 4 cyl 2 seater for under $35k. Before anyone says Elise, those fuckers were over $60k up here, and the cheapest used ones are in the 30-40k range.

I think you can find an used Pontiac Fiero within that price range :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 20, 2019, 02:22:46 PM
Quote from: NomisR on July 20, 2019, 02:02:47 PM
I think you can find an used Pontiac Fiero within that price range :lol:

Well, I just scored another NA Miata, and I'm always on the lookout for a cheap but good MR2 Spyder. I still might spring for a nice Boxster in the high teens, 2005+. Not a fan of the earlier ones.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 20, 2019, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: 93JC on July 20, 2019, 02:02:21 PM
Yeah, like I said I was shocked. When the 350Z came out in 2002 base price was $45,000 (CAD).

Yeah, I remember seeing one at the dealer ('02 or '03) for $51,000. I had no idea such a deal can be had on a 370.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 93JC on July 20, 2019, 02:39:43 PM
I associate the entire idea of the 370Z with being old, outdated, and far too expensive. Can't shake that perception. I don't even care that it can be had for $30,500 now: it's irrelevant. Too little, too late.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 20, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 20, 2019, 02:22:46 PM
Well, I just scored another NA Miata, and I'm always on the lookout for a cheap but good MR2 Spyder. I still might spring for a nice Boxster in the high teens, 2005+. Not a fan of the earlier ones.
Planning to build a bigger garage?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
Looking at car prices in Canada and current exchange rates, I'm very tempted to run north to Toronto or Kingston and snag a new Mustang GTPP2.  Works out to $33K US.  Same car in the states is $45K!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 20, 2019, 02:51:29 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 20, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
Planning to build a bigger garage?

I can just jam a Cabrio, Miata and Spyder, but there'd be no room to do anything. But no, not planning to build a bigger garage at this property, but I may build a 30x30ish one when we downsize. 800 sq ft house, 900 sq ft garage.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2019, 02:52:54 PM
Quote from: MrH on July 20, 2019, 11:50:57 AM
Have you driven one? :confused:

It drives like shit.
I test drove one but I have like 4 years of ownership experience with the FM platform

Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 11:58:12 AM
Pretty much everything about that car feels like it's from 15 years ago (because, well, it is).  The interior looks worse/more plasticy than a base Mustang.  Viscous LSD is weak sauce (needs a Torsen or eDiff).  And it's kind of heavy.  For the same money as a 370Z Sport (which you need to get any kind of limited slip, base models are still open), you can get a Mustang Ecoboost Performance pack w/ Magnaride dampers.  Nicer cabin than the Z.  More usable trunk/interior space.  Only about 100 lbs heavier, slightly less power but way more low/midrange torque.  Torsen differential instead of that junk viscous unit in the Z.  Better suspension than the Z.  Much better daily driver while being every bit as capable on the track.
Interior is debatable (I prefer the Z). Like I said for a couple grand you can fix all the Z's problems. Get the Sport for the stock BBK and seats... swap the stock 19s for some meaty 18s (they fit- my G had the same brakes on stock 18s), get a proper mechanical LSD, and whatever aftermarket suspension you want. For ~$1500 you can get Tein coilovers with adaptive damping. Z still has a double DIN slot so infotainment is no legit complaint either. FWIW I thought the VLSD was OK on the street. It was spent on my Z (fair after damn near 200K) but it really tied my G down

Plus there's stuff on the Rustang you can't fix. 2.3EB... YUCK. I'll trade some low/midrange for a big, high revving, naturally aspirated V6 any day(which nothing else but the Camaro has... next sports car with an N/A 6 is the 718 GT4). Z is more like 150-200lb less, and more importantly 7" & damn near 2 feet shorter in wheelbase and length. That makes a difference. All aluminum multilink suspension vs the Ford's mix with steel & struts up front (though the Ford does have dual pivot lower ball joints). Obviously if you need 4 seats the Z is no go but again its only unfixable issue is age which I'm not squeamish about. It's own worst enemy are used low mileage ones going for 1/2 MSRP
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 20, 2019, 02:53:08 PM
Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
Looking at car prices in Canada and current exchange rates, I'm very tempted to run north to Toronto or Kingston and snag a new Mustang GTPP2.  Works out to $33K US.  Same car in the states is $45K!

Shit, really? Car prices are a friggin enigma up here. Some are cheaper, most are hella more expensive.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 20, 2019, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 20, 2019, 02:51:29 PM
I can just jam a Cabrio, Miata and Spyder, but there'd be no room to do anything. But no, not planning to build a bigger garage at this property, but I may build a 30x30ish one when we downsize. 800 sq ft house, 900 sq ft garage.  :lol:
30' x 40' so you can have 3 doors and park cars nose to tail.  That way, up to 6 cars will fit.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 03:22:32 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2019, 02:52:54 PM
I test drove one but I have like 4 years of ownership experience with the FM platform
Interior is debatable (I prefer the Z). Like I said for a couple grand you can fix all the Z's problems. Get the Sport for the stock BBK and seats... swap the stock 19s for some meaty 18s (they fit- my G had the same brakes on stock 18s), get a proper mechanical LSD, and whatever aftermarket suspension you want. For ~$1500 you can get Tein coilovers with adaptive damping. Z still has a double DIN slot so infotainment is no legit complaint either. FWIW I thought the VLSD was OK on the street. It was spent on my Z (fair after damn near 200K) but it really tied my G down

Plus there's stuff on the Rustang you can't fix. 2.3EB... YUCK. I'll trade some low/midrange for a big, high revving, naturally aspirated V6 any day(which nothing else but the Camaro has... next sports car with an N/A 6 is the 718 GT4). Z is more like 150-200lb less, and more importantly 7" & damn near 2 feet shorter in wheelbase and length. That makes a difference. All aluminum multilink suspension vs the Ford's mix with steel & struts up front (though the Ford does have dual pivot lower ball joints). Obviously if you need 4 seats the Z is no go but again its only unfixable issue is age which I'm not squeamish about. It's own worst enemy are used low mileage ones going for 1/2 MSRP

Yeah, a few grand and a completely voided warranty later.  Not to mention no longer "stock" class legal for those of us who do Auto-X or whatever.

LOL, those Tein "adaptive" dampers aren't nearly on par as a proper set of Magnerides.  It's cheap because it's one of the most ghetto "adaptive" systems I've ever seen.  For starters, they aren't taking readings and adjusting damping based on suspension inputs (they physically can't with the hardware they have, nor adjust damping quickly enough even if they could).  They look at vehicle speed (using a GPS module) or inputs from an accelerometer and stiffen or soften based on how fast you're going or what G forces you're generating.  They're basically little servo motors that turn the rebound adjustment screws on the dampers.  No way in hell that will react like a Magneride system, which is monitoring actual suspension motion at around a kilohertz sample rate and constantly adjusting both compression and rebound to react.  Hit a patch of choppy, grooved pavement with Tein's system and, unless you change your speed, the damping will stay the same despite changes in surface chop.  A magneride will soften the damping to adjust for the increased suspension activity caused by the choppy pavement.

And having flogged a number of cars well smaller than mine through an auto-x (Miata, M-Roadster, Celica, 944, couple of Mazda3 variants), I can soundly say that the length difference really isn't big of a factor.  Width, yes, but length, not so much.  You need to go much longer (like full size truck) before it starts making that much of a difference.  FWIW, difference in full-lock turning radius between a Mustang and a Z is 2.5 ft.  On a track, or even something tighter like an Auto-X course, that's nothing.  I don't even recall having to put much more steering wheel input into the Mustang to account for all that extra wheelbase (it probably has a faster rack ratio).  All I really noticed with having a shorter wheelbase was that when a car starts to step out of line with oversteer, you need to be much quicker to catch it when you have a shorter wheelbase before it's too late to save it.  That's not necessarily a good trait.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 03:25:16 PM
Back to the Corvette, is it just me or did the car that Leno was showing not sound all that great when he fired it up?  Maybe it was just the sound recording equipment he had, but it sounded kind of like a van...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: ChrisV on July 20, 2019, 03:35:26 PM
Give me an Elkhart Lake Blue with red interior, body colored accents, Z71 package with the high wing and some aftermarket wheels. Probably HRE P101s, not these) but just about this:

(https://rbp.f0e.net/attachments/corvette202002b.jpg)

Hard to justify anything else under $200k.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: ChrisV on July 20, 2019, 03:36:20 PM
Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 03:25:16 PM
Back to the Corvette, is it just me or did the car that Leno was showing not sound all that great when he fired it up?  Maybe it was just the sound recording equipment he had, but it sounded kind of like a van...

They sounded great coming up on stage. Maybe it was just the recording equipment he was using.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: ChrisV on July 20, 2019, 03:35:26 PM
Give me an Elkhart Lake Blue with red interior, body colored accents, Z71 package with the high wing and some aftermarket wheels. Probably HRE P101s, not these) but just about this:

(https://rbp.f0e.net/attachments/corvette202002b.jpg)

Hard to justify anything else under $200k.

Yes.  I also think this car looks really good in white with all of the trim pieces, spoiler/wing, and roof in black/CF.  Silver/Black fender stripes, maybe.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 20, 2019, 04:06:32 PM
I do notice my long car on some tight sections of autocross courses. My region likes to make tight start gates that can be a bit troublesome
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 20, 2019, 04:13:44 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 20, 2019, 04:06:32 PM
I do notice my long car on some tight sections of autocross courses. My region likes to make tight start gates that can be a bit troublesome

So u have a long car now
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 04:16:34 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 20, 2019, 04:06:32 PM
I do notice my long car on some tight sections of autocross courses. My region likes to make tight start gates that can be a bit troublesome

You also have more wheelbase than a Crown Vic and an even larger turning radius.  You have the same wheelbase as and a few more inches in overall length than a Chevy Tahoe.

Looking at the results from the SCCA national championships the past couple of years, the fastest indexed (handicapped) "stock" class car both years was a C6 Corvette with its massive 105.7" wheelbase.  And there was a Street Prepared class 4th gen Camaro (which has a Z-esque ~101" wheelbase, but a massive 193.5" overall length) up near the front as well.  It was the second fastest indexed time for a vehicle that was based on a production car.  Followed close behind by a pair of G35s (112" wheelbase, 5" longer than a Mustang).

Short of parking-lot-tight maneuvers, wheelbase isn't that much of a factor when we're comparing something like a Z and a Mustang.  And overall vehicle length makes no real difference in handling characteristics.  That only matters if you are concerned with street parking or have a very shallow driveway or garage.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on July 20, 2019, 04:57:39 PM
I like this with the body colored wings, side panels and mirror.  I like the lighter color blue more too.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 20, 2019, 05:13:50 PM
Mine.  :wub:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on July 20, 2019, 05:19:27 PM
Does that bronze color look more bronze or brown?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 20, 2019, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on July 20, 2019, 05:19:27 PM
Does that bronze color look more bronze or brown?

Dunno until I see it in the flesh. I imagine it depends on lighting. Brown in the shade, bronze sparkle in the sun.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 20, 2019, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 04:16:34 PM
You also have more wheelbase than a Crown Vic and an even larger turning radius.  You have the same wheelbase as and a few more inches in overall length than a Chevy Tahoe.

Looking at the results from the SCCA national championships the past couple of years, the fastest indexed (handicapped) "stock" class car both years was a C6 Corvette with its massive 105.7" wheelbase.  And there was a Street Prepared class 4th gen Camaro (which has a Z-esque ~101" wheelbase, but a massive 193.5" overall length) up near the front as well.  It was the second fastest indexed time for a vehicle that was based on a production car.  Followed close behind by a pair of G35s (112" wheelbase, 5" longer than a Mustang).

Short of parking-lot-tight maneuvers, wheelbase isn't that much of a factor when we're comparing something like a Z and a Mustang.  And overall vehicle length makes no real difference in handling characteristics.  That only matters if you are concerned with street parking or have a very shallow driveway or garage.

Haha yeah I have a 116" wheelbase and 208" overall :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 20, 2019, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 20, 2019, 06:53:21 PM
Haha yeah I have a 116" wheelbase and 208" overall :lol:

100" hood, 100" bed, 8" cabin.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 07:28:42 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 20, 2019, 05:28:30 PM
Dunno until I see it in the flesh. I imagine it depends on lighting. Brown in the shade, bronze sparkle in the sun.

So like the sparkly stink pickle that follows after Fido eats a bunch of glitter?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 20, 2019, 08:46:03 PM
I think a used C8 might be my 1/3 life crisis car
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 22, 2019, 05:27:42 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 20, 2019, 03:11:15 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28413258/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-colors-trims-features/

This is all pretty crazy. GM knocked this over the moon. I'm thinking now that they made every other $50K+ sports car an irrational purchase. Why pay $300k for a Huracan? $180k for an R8 or NSX? Only the Boxster/Cayman and low end 911 still remain viable options.

It's kind of the Miata of supercars now, the way the NSX was in the 90s.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 22, 2019, 05:29:15 AM
Quote from: MX793 on July 20, 2019, 10:10:05 AM
Other than weighing 3400 lbs, having 20" wheels (again, "affordable" performance tires are all 18" or smaller), and not being able to see a damned thing out of it.  Although I suppose the trunk space limitations on the Camaro are about the same as a mid-engine car...

Give me something like a Lotus Evora at half the price.

Oh yeah, I love the Evora. That's my kind of car.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 22, 2019, 05:31:02 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
Can someone explain why the 370z isn't on anyone's radar

It's only flaw is it's age. A couple grand fixes all its problems

Old. Ugly. Not that good. For me, the convertible is automatic only now. And I think you can only get a manual on the coupe on the lowest or two lowest trims now. It's a dead model that was never that good.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on July 22, 2019, 05:49:08 AM
I thought it was cooler at 3300lbs. But that's dry weight. It'll be 3600ish?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 22, 2019, 05:53:14 AM
It made me think of other cars in the recent past that changed the game...

1964.5 Ford Mustang
1974 VW Rabbit
1984 Pontiac Fiero (initially, but GM bungled a great idea)
1987 Chevy CK Pickup
1990 Mazda Miata
1990 Acura NSX
1990 Nissan 300ZX TT
McLaren F1
1997 Porsche Boxster
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 22, 2019, 06:06:08 AM
Quote from: Rich on July 22, 2019, 05:49:08 AM
I thought it was cooler at 3300lbs. But that’s dry weight. It’ll be 3600ish?

When you consider that more advanced and lighter materials (and their manufacture) could have been used to drive curb weight down another 300 lbs or so, but add unacceptable expense to the car, I think 3600 curb weight is perfectly fine. It's just a number that one shouldn't be hung up on, given the promised performance and driving experience the C8 offers.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 22, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
I tell you hwut

If all V8s sounded like the C7R, I'd choose one over any 6 popper any day. Spent most of yesterday on my sim going through all the GT3 cars... that C7R engine note is head and shoulders above the rest and will put some hair on your chest

I think I would still prefer 3 pedals on the street though
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 22, 2019, 06:46:30 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 22, 2019, 06:06:08 AM
When you consider that more advanced and lighter materials (and their manufacture) could have been used to drive curb weight down another 300 lbs or so, but add unacceptable expense to the car, I think 3600 curb weight is perfectly fine. It's just a number that one shouldn't be hung up on, given the promised performance and driving experience the C8 offers.
:hesaid:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: ChrisV on July 22, 2019, 11:41:28 AM
Here's the actual wheels I'd use, HRE P101s.

(http://rbp.f0e.net/attachments/corvette202003_copy1.jpg)

The rear isn't looking as bad as originally thought. Certainly no worse than a Hurrican.

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 22, 2019, 11:45:31 AM
I like those wheels. Similar to what the '04-'06 Ford GT had.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 22, 2019, 11:45:54 AM
I miss the quad center exhaust. But the rear looks good with the bigger wang.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 22, 2019, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 22, 2019, 11:45:31 AM
I like those wheels. Similar to what the '04-'06 Ford GT had.

HRE is definitely a good brand for this car.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 22, 2019, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 22, 2019, 11:45:54 AM
I miss the quad center exhaust. But the rear looks good with the bigger wang.

Wasn't center diffuser for downforce friendly. I like the quad stack on the C7 too.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 22, 2019, 12:28:32 PM
They should have made a top firing exhaust. Maybe/hopefully that will come with later versions
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 22, 2019, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 22, 2019, 12:28:32 PM
They should have made a top firing exhaust. Maybe/hopefully that will come with later versions

I think that's a gimmick that would have been too much of a packaging PITA.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 22, 2019, 01:02:52 PM
I'm not a fan of the square-ish exhaust tips.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 22, 2019, 01:12:40 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 22, 2019, 11:45:54 AM
I miss the quad center exhaust. But the rear looks good with the bigger wang.
Ditto! The wheel selection is the only thing I'm unhappy about!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 22, 2019, 02:23:53 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 22, 2019, 12:33:55 PM
I think that's a gimmick that would have been too much of a packaging PITA.
:nono: More downforce is never a gimmick

I would bet it's coming for the performance versions... bye bye golf trunk
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 22, 2019, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 22, 2019, 02:23:53 PM
:nono: More downforce is never a gimmick

I would bet it's coming for the performance versions... bye bye golf trunk
I don't think it'll lose the rear trunk but I'm pretty sure that front will be gone on the Z06/ZR1.....
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 23, 2019, 06:07:16 AM
I've been having an argument (started by this car) on another forum about DCTs being automatics.  The argument boils down to

Them: It has a clutch, therefore it's a manual.  It's an automated manual.
Me: When you automate something, doesn't it become automatic?
Them: Yes.
Me: ...
Them: It's a manual.
Me: It shifts automatically, it's an automatic.
Them: It's a manual.
Me: Having a clutch doesn't make it a manual.
Them: You've just never driven one.
Me: I have a car with a DCT.
Them: It's a manual. 
Me: I'm probably going to start insulting you soon. 

It's now turned into memes. 

(https://i.imgflip.com/36b5up.jpg)

I like this next one a lot.  It speaks to the ridiculousness of arguing that a dual clutch automatic with manual mode is different to the average end user from a torque converter automatic with a manual mode.  No one uses manual mode.  I only did before I got a real manual car.  I flick it on sometimes in the S4 when I like am merging into highway traffic and I don't want it to shift up, but then I often put it back in drive.

(https://i.imgflip.com/36b5qj.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 23, 2019, 06:14:07 AM
Something something fully semi-automatic.

Yes, it has a clutch, which is also automatic.

Chances are there's also a clutch on the alternator, and the starter motor. They also work automatically.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on July 23, 2019, 07:31:27 AM
Quote from: Raza  on July 23, 2019, 06:07:16 AM
I've been having an argument (started by this car) on another forum about DCTs being automatics.  The argument boils down to

Them: It has a clutch, therefore it's a manual.  It's an automated manual.
Me: When you automate something, doesn't it become automatic?
Them: Yes.
Me: ...
Them: It's a manual.
Me: It shifts automatically, it's an automatic.
Them: It's a manual.
Me: Having a clutch doesn't make it a manual.
Them: You've just never driven one.
Me: I have a car with a DCT.
Them: It's a manual. 
Me: I'm probably going to start insulting you soon. 

It's now turned into memes. 

(https://i.imgflip.com/36b5up.jpg)

I like this next one a lot.  It speaks to the ridiculousness of arguing that a dual clutch automatic with manual mode is different to the average end user from a torque converter automatic with a manual mode.  No one uses manual mode.  I only did before I got a real manual car.  I flick it on sometimes in the S4 when I like am merging into highway traffic and I don't want it to shift up, but then I often put it back in drive.

(https://i.imgflip.com/36b5qj.jpg)

There is something pathological and immensely draining with people like that.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2019, 07:40:58 AM
Raza loves it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on July 23, 2019, 07:54:40 AM
Quote from: Raza  on July 23, 2019, 06:07:16 AM
I've been having an argument (started by this car) on another forum about DCTs being automatics.  The argument boils down to

Them: It has a clutch, therefore it's a manual.  It's an automated manual.
Me: When you automate something, doesn't it become automatic?
Them: Yes.
Me: ...
Them: It's a manual.
Me: It shifts automatically, it's an automatic.
Them: It's a manual.
Me: Having a clutch doesn't make it a manual.
Them: You've just never driven one.
Me: I have a car with a DCT.
Them: It's a manual. 
Me: I'm probably going to start insulting you soon. 

It's now turned into memes. 

(https://i.imgflip.com/36b5up.jpg)

I like this next one a lot.  It speaks to the ridiculousness of arguing that a dual clutch automatic with manual mode is different to the average end user from a torque converter automatic with a manual mode.  No one uses manual mode.  I only did before I got a real manual car.  I flick it on sometimes in the S4 when I like am merging into highway traffic and I don't want it to shift up, but then I often put it back in drive.

(https://i.imgflip.com/36b5qj.jpg)

Can't believe you're cheating on us with another forum.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 23, 2019, 09:11:06 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2019, 07:40:58 AM
Raza loves it.

Not as much anymore.  It's tiring to go in circles.  I'm older now, I may have softened in my approach, but I do have less patience for just talking in circles anymore.  Endless argument no longer appeals.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 23, 2019, 09:12:02 AM
Quote from: Submariner on July 23, 2019, 07:31:27 AM
There is something pathological and immensely draining with people like that.

It really gets to be.  They won't even concede (it's 3 people) that when you automate something it becomes automatic. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2019, 09:16:03 AM
Why do you need them to concede :lol:

It takes at least two to have a stupid argument
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 23, 2019, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: Xer0 on July 23, 2019, 07:54:40 AM
Can't believe you're cheating on us with another forum.

It's a watch forum, it just has a car thread.  Just like this is a car forum (I think) that has a watch thread. 

It's fun over there, because I get to be all snobby and not feel bad about it.  It's all about luxury items.  Here, it's like "I was thinking about eating ramen for lunch" and the response is "If you put that ramen money into a mutual fund in 10 years you can buy three packs of ramen and retire 1/8th of a minute earlier".
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 23, 2019, 09:26:09 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2019, 09:16:03 AM
Why do you need them to concede :lol:

It takes at least two to have a stupid argument

That's true.  I am right, but it's beginning to feel like this:

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)

It's just a mountain of evidence against them.  I quoted Car and Driver, Road & Track, and Motor Trend, who all call it an automatic.  They said "Oh, like the media has never gotten anything wrong before".  I noted that Audi and VW, the companies that first brought DCTs to market, both call the DSG an automatic and that neither Porsche (the company that essentially invented it) nor Chevrolet call it a manual, but that fell on deaf ears.  I pointed out the logical misstep in saying that once you automate something it remains manual.  Nothing. 

If you go to Target and the automated doors open up, you don't describe the doors as "manual doors that have an automatic mode, but are still manual doors because they can be operated manually if the user so chooses", you call them "automatic doors".  But it's "it has a clutch, therefore it's a manual". 

I'm enjoying making the memes, though. 

(https://i.imgflip.com/36b8o6.jpg)

Shame I'll never be able to use these again. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 23, 2019, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: Raza  on July 23, 2019, 09:26:09 AM

(https://i.imgflip.com/36b8o6.jpg)


:lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 23, 2019, 09:37:19 AM
They're automatics and that's final
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on July 23, 2019, 10:01:54 AM
Manumatics?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 23, 2019, 10:16:17 AM
Semi-automatic?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2019, 10:22:00 AM
You can use them in manual mode
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 23, 2019, 10:28:01 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2019, 10:22:00 AM
You can use them in manual mode

Shit, must be a manual. I was wrong.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 23, 2019, 10:31:18 AM
I guess Taco is a manual.  I can select gears 1-4...manually.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on July 23, 2019, 11:03:38 AM
Apropos Manumatics

The Ferrari Mondial had a strange contraption where the clutch was automated, but one could row through the gears via a gated shifter. That could be an alternative to paddle shifters. The Mondial's transmission was by all accountants horrible, but that was because the technology was not really there to make a good automated clutch.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 23, 2019, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Galaxy on July 23, 2019, 11:03:38 AM
Apropos Manumatics

The Ferrari Mondial had a strange contraption where the clutch was automated, but one could row through the gears via a gated shifter. That could be an alternative to paddle shifters. The Mondial's transmission was by all accountants horrible, but that was because the technology was not really there to make a good automated clutch.

Porsche had a similar transmission they called Sportomatic; it was a manual transmission that could not shift on its own, but it had a torque converter and automatic clutch that activated when you started moving the shifter from gear to gear.  But, as I recall, Porsche still described it as an automatic transmission, even though it was not capable of shifting itself. 

https://www.total911.com/porsche-911-rs-book-volume-2-now-on-sale/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS7p13TdeJw
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 23, 2019, 11:18:37 AM
I just try to be specific about it.

"Traditional Auto" or "torque-converter auto"
"DCT"
"SMG"
"CVT"
"stick shift" or "manual"

If someone in the car world calls a transmission "automatic," I assume they are talking about a traditional, torque converter auto.

I wish manufacturers would do the same. Sometimes it's damn near impossible to find technical details straight from the source.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 23, 2019, 11:26:35 AM
https://jalopnik.com/heres-a-detailed-look-at-the-2020-corvette-c8s-impressi-1836540969
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 23, 2019, 11:27:08 AM
Quote from: Raza  on July 23, 2019, 11:14:24 AM
Porsche had a similar transmission they called Sportomatic; it was a manual transmission that could not shift on its own, but it had a torque converter and automatic clutch that activated when you started moving the shifter from gear to gear.  But, as I recall, Porsche still described it as an automatic transmission, even though it was not capable of shifting itself. 

https://www.total911.com/porsche-911-rs-book-volume-2-now-on-sale/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS7p13TdeJw


I think some VW's had that as well. They're very rare and odd.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 23, 2019, 11:41:02 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 23, 2019, 11:27:08 AM
I think some VW's had that as well. They're very rare and odd.

They did, as the autostick. Mostly found in type-3s.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: ChrisV on July 23, 2019, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 23, 2019, 11:41:02 AM
They did, as the autostick. Mostly found in type-3s.

Type 3s had a regular automatic. The Autostick was in Beetles from '68-on (in fact, the '68 cars with autostick were the first ones with IRS, too instead of swingaxle. The manual trans Beetles didn't get IRS until '69.

the '50s and early '60s Renault 4CV had a similar setup that used an electrically operated clutch that was activated when you moved the shift lever: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/february-1956/22/impressions-renault-750-frelec-automat

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 23, 2019, 11:54:02 AM
And my favorite; the Wilson preselector gearbox.

You had a gear change pedal, instead of a clutch, and you would preselect the next gear you wanted to be in. Pressing the left pedal engaged the (fluid) clutch, changed gears, then released the clutch, considerably faster than most gearboxes of the time.

https://daimlerandlanchester.com/how-to-drive-a-pre-selector/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 23, 2019, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: Raza  on July 23, 2019, 11:14:24 AM
Porsche had a similar transmission they called Sportomatic; it was a manual transmission that could not shift on its own, but it had a torque converter and automatic clutch that activated when you started moving the shifter from gear to gear.  But, as I recall, Porsche still described it as an automatic transmission, even though it was not capable of shifting itself. 

https://www.total911.com/porsche-911-rs-book-volume-2-now-on-sale/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS7p13TdeJw

Sounds a bit like the old Chrysler Fluid Drive, but it had a clutch pedal.  They just stuck a torque converter in front of the clutch and gear box so that you could have it in any gear and stop and start without declutching.  If you wanted a more rapid take off, you could shift it into first by the normal method of depressing the clutch and shifting gears or, if you felt lazy about shifting, just leave it in high gear, usually 3rd, and start and stop without the depressing the clutch.  '40s technology.  3rd gear starts were kinda slow though.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 23, 2019, 05:26:59 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 23, 2019, 06:14:07 AM
Something something fully semi-automatic.

Yes, it has a clutch, which is also automatic.

Chances are there's also a clutch on the alternator, and the starter motor. They also work automatically.

Technically, a torque converter is a type of clutch (viscous clutch).

For me, it's less about whether it has a manual clutch, automated clutch, or torque converter and whether or not you manually have to command a gear change or if the transmission is capable of changing gears on its own based on a set of external parameters (vehicle speed and throttle position, generally).

I would classify the old SMG Toyota MR-Spyder as a manual because the transmission had no automatic mode.  There was no clutch pedal (the clutch was automated), but it would not, under any circumstances, change gears unless the driver moved the gear selector.  I'd put the old VW Beetle Semi-autos in the same bucket.  The clutch was automated, but the transmission would not change gears unless the driver moved the shift lever.

If the gear selector has a "D" and, upon selecting that, the car's computer decides what the appropriate gear for the situation is, then it's an automatic.  Whether it may also be shifted manually is irrelevant.  Tiptronic is an automatic.  DSG is an automatic.  Different mechanical implementations, but the same user interface and basic operation.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 23, 2019, 06:09:54 PM
Agreed. If the transmission has a "D," it's automatic, whether or not it has a manual mode.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 2o6 on July 23, 2019, 06:12:55 PM
I understand why this car can and doesn't have a manual transmission, but am I crazy for feeling like cars now aren't interesting to me anymore?

I know obviously there is so much more to driving than changing gear, but at this point I kind of don't care anymore.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 23, 2019, 06:27:47 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on July 23, 2019, 06:12:55 PM
I understand why this car can and doesn't have a manual transmission, but am I crazy for feeling like cars now aren't interesting to me anymore?

I know obviously there is so much more to driving than changing gear, but at this point I kind of don't care anymore.

Cars keep getting "better", which makes them boring and stupid. I just want a Prius now so I can save gas.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 23, 2019, 06:27:53 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on July 23, 2019, 06:12:55 PM
I understand why this car can and doesn't have a manual transmission, but am I crazy for feeling like cars now aren't interesting to me anymore?

I know obviously there is so much more to driving than changing gear, but at this point I kind of don't care anymore.

Not at all.

I concede the DSG is faster, than manually shifting shouldn't be a deal breaker on a car
so blindingly capable.

I don't care. This doesn't get the blood moving the same way.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 2o6 on July 23, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 23, 2019, 06:27:53 PM
Not at all.

I concede the DSG is faster, than manually shifting shouldn't be a deal breaker on a car
so blindingly capable.

I don't care. This doesn't get the blood moving the same way.



I'm not sure if its the fact it's an automatic transmission, or the people who vehemently argue against manual transmissions. And this is coming from someone who likes CVT automatics.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 23, 2019, 06:39:11 PM
Driving has become a bit too civilized regardless of how capable the car is, unless you take on a track.  I really haven't had any fun driving since I sold my Sunbeam Tiger.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 23, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
I really hate paddle shifters.  After spending some time in a Subaru Outback rental with paddle shifters, I found I hated them being there.  I accidentally activated the downshift paddle at one point.  They were frequently in the way of where I wanted to rest my hand, so I had to hold the wheel differently to avoid accidentally pulling one of the paddles.  Or I'd hit them when maneuvering in a parking lot when I had to do some hand-over-hand steering.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 23, 2019, 06:54:40 PM
Quote from: MX793 on July 23, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
I really hate paddle shifters.  After spending some time in a Subaru Outback rental with paddle shifters, I found I hated them being there.  I accidentally activated the downshift paddle at one point.  They were frequently in the way of where I wanted to rest my hand, so I had to hold the wheel differently to avoid accidentally pulling one of the paddles.  Or I'd hit them when maneuvering in a parking lot when I had to do some hand-over-hand steering.
I have paddle shifters on my Discovery Sport, never intentionally used them though have accidentally pressed them.  Fortunately, they're only activated in sport mode; which I never use.  Kind of silly having them.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 23, 2019, 07:21:58 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 23, 2019, 06:54:40 PM
I have paddle shifters on my Discovery Sport, never intentionally used them though have accidentally pressed them.  Fortunately, they're only activated in sport mode; which I never use.  Kind of silly having them.

On some cars, including the Subie I had, pressing the paddles even in "Drive" engages sport mode temporarily.  I think the idea is that if you want to command a downshift for engine braking down a hill or something, you don't have to engage sport mode, you can just grab the paddle.  Then, after some period of not using the paddles, the car transitions back into regular Drive and puts itself back into whatever gear it thinks it should be in.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2019, 07:28:51 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on July 23, 2019, 06:12:55 PM
I understand why this car can and doesn't have a manual transmission, but am I crazy for feeling like cars now aren't interesting to me anymore?

I know obviously there is so much more to driving than changing gear, but at this point I kind of don't care anymore.
I think part of the excitement around the C8 is that it's the first even remotely new idea in the automotive world in a long time. I think that's part of why people are so crazy about Tesla as well.

Cars have become so predictable and standardized it's understandably hard to get excited. How can one get excited about a formula?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 23, 2019, 07:32:12 PM
"Real" driving will eventually be relegated to off road (and the track).  It's one of the last bastions of actually having to pay attention while driving, automatic transmission or not.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 23, 2019, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2019, 07:28:51 PM
I think part of the excitement around the C8 is that it's the first even remotely new idea in the automotive world in a long time. I think that's part of why people are so crazy about Tesla as well.

Cars have become so predictable and standardized it's understandably hard to get excited. How can one get excited about a formula?
I'm interested in seeing how the race version performs at Le Mans.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 23, 2019, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 23, 2019, 07:32:12 PM
"Real" driving will eventually be relegated to off road (and the track).  It's one of the last bastions of actually having to pay attention while driving, automatic transmission or not.

No no no. Stop it. Go away.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 23, 2019, 07:48:06 PM
I use the paddles in the Giulia pretty often for pretty much no real reason other then they feel nice and I like listening to rev matched downshifts
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 23, 2019, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: r0tor on July 23, 2019, 07:48:06 PM
I use the paddles in the Giulia pretty often for pretty much no real reason other then they feel nice and I like listening to rev matched downshifts

Those are the same reasons that I like using the paddle stick in Dakota.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 23, 2019, 08:22:52 PM
Personally, I care more about being in the right gear at the right time more than I care about pushing a clutch and moving a shifter.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 23, 2019, 08:37:02 PM
Thing is, the manual transmission has gotten only slightly better where as automatics, no matter their flavor, have gotten infinitely better.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 23, 2019, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 23, 2019, 08:37:02 PM
Thing is, the manual transmission has gotten only slightly better where as automatics, no matter their flavor, have gotten infinitely better.
YUP!!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 23, 2019, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 23, 2019, 08:37:02 PM
Thing is, the manual transmission has gotten only slightly better where as automatics, no matter their flavor, have gotten infinitely better.

That simply goes to show that the manual transmission, like the mousetrap or wheel, was pretty much perfect while automatics were warmed over garbage with tons of room to improve.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 23, 2019, 10:26:35 PM
I wasn't excited about the C8 until it came out and I saw it all. I think it's killer. Much more exciting than just about any other new car out there
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: cawimmer430 on July 24, 2019, 05:14:02 AM
2020 C8 Corvette Isn't Getting A Manual Because It Wasn't Worth The Effort

If you belong to those few still hoping for GM to roll out a manual transmission option for the new C8 Corvette, then we have some bad news for you.

Speaking with Corvette lead engineer Tadge Juechter, Motor Authority asked him whether a manual option is coming back. The answer was a rather straight-forward "No."

Juechter added that a manual C8 Corvette would simply not sell good enough to justify a supplier's effort to develop and the costs involved.

"We couldn't find anybody honestly who'd be willing to do it. Because just like the automatic, the DCT, it would have to be a bespoke manual," Juechter said. "It's low volume, very expensive. The reason is it's a low-volume industry. That industry is dying—building manual transmissions."

Fewer and fewer customers opt for the manual in the Corvette, dropping the take-rate to around 15 percent, according to Juechter. "Every year it goes down, down, down, down," he said.

Porsche did try to drop the manual option from its hardcore GT models too, but was met with criticism from customers. They listened and eventually offered the 911 GT3 with a manual transmission again. Since then, two out of three buyers go for the three-pedal version according to Porsche North America CEO Claus Zellmer.

Juechter says that this wouldn't hold for the Corvette. "It's 15 percent on cars like the Z06, which historically have been only a manual. And as soon as we offer the automatic, everybody buys the automatic," Juechter said.

The 2020 C8 Corvette will feature a new eight-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox. GM worked with Tremec to develop it specifically for the new 'Vette. "We don't just find a DCT, an 8-speed DCT that plugs into this architecture with the right dimensions," he added.

The challenge was to create a transaxle-style transmission that could work with the 6.2-liter LT2 V8. Having a dry sump enabled engineers to mount the V8 lower but that created a whole range of other issues for the gearbox during development.

"That puts huge burden on the transmission, too, because it can't have a deep sump either, so all the oil management, everything is super slammed. The belting, the transmission, figuring out how to cool it, there's a ton of complexity around that. That's one of the equations we had to solve," Juechter said.

While the new DCT-equipped C8 is expected to be better in every measurable way, the death of the manual Corvette still makes us feel a bit sad.



Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/07/2020-c8-corvette-isnt-getting-a-manual-because-it-wasnt-worth-the-effort/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 05:22:16 AM
I think the C7 had a take rate of ~40% manuals on its debut, so yea a drop down to 15% over one generation is not good. Bear in mind I think the first C7 autos had the old 6AT... that new 8AT changed the equation

NBD to me... I would like to own one more manual car and I'd like my daughter's first car to be manual... but I'm not stressing or buying a "Save The Manuals" t-shirt
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 24, 2019, 05:23:01 AM
Completely understandable. I'm not even mad it won't offer a manual. The powertrain they've developed sounds perfect for the car, and as long as I can still get my manual fix with a 2nd (third? Lol) used vehicle, like my Miata, I'm fine with it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 05:30:23 AM
It will be interesting to see if and how the manual lives on

I feel like the manual market has hit an equilibrium. There are X people who still want manuals in the US, and probably 2X desirable manual cars (given that many are still depreciating). Cars damn near last forever these days if you take care of them (shown by how many ~15+ year old cars have hit a price floor). So to a degree I'm not worried
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 05:36:44 AM
Ah, heres some fun news... C8 comes with standard all-seasons (for the first time?)

Supposedly they will hit 1.00g, vs 1.03-1.05g of the summer tire option... a staggering 2% drop in max corner speed at most

A damn Altima hit 0.93g on all seasons not too long ago.

Summer tires grow increasingly pointless (IMO)

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28414993/2020-chevrolet-corvette-mid-engine-all-season-tires/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 05:38:40 AM
I with the 8 speed autos would allow you to preselected a multiple gear skip when hitting the paddle... That's really my biggest bitch with trying to use them in manual mode.

In a manual I can skip gears.  In automatic mode an 8 speed will skip gears.  In manual mode your left clicking through 3 or 4 gears until you find a passing gear.  Some I guess have a long hold feature to downshift to the lowest gear possible - but sometimes that's not what you want either
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: mzziaz on July 24, 2019, 05:45:11 AM
I would have preferred a manual, but when the overall package is so good, I guess I can live with a DCT.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 06:08:41 AM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 05:38:40 AM
I with the 8 speed autos would allow you to preselected a multiple gear skip when hitting the paddle... That's really my biggest bitch with trying to use them in manual mode.

In a manual I can skip gears.  In automatic mode an 8 speed will skip gears.  In manual mode your left clicking through 3 or 4 gears until you find a passing gear.  Some I guess have a long hold feature to downshift to the lowest gear possible - but sometimes that's not what you want either
Dont know if this is it for all autos, but I've heard that in some if you hold the paddle down it will jump to the safest lowest gear

Give it a try... I will try it at lunch
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 06:23:58 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 06:08:41 AM
Dont know if this is it for all autos, but I've heard that in some if you hold the paddle down it will jump to the safest lowest gear

Give it a try... I will try it at lunch

Sometimes that sucks though too as it plops you in a gear and it's already near redline.

The alfa just sequentially flips down gears if I hold it.  The autoshit shifter in the Jeep will go to the lowest gear possible when held.  I have issues with each.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 07:02:38 AM
I think this is all much ado about nothing honestly

For me the real driver of control is adequate power... if a car traps 100+ in the quarter, it's pretty much fast enough and most of the time the transmission doesn't even matter. The only time a transmission really killed an otherwise fast enough car for me was the Genesis 3.8. That thing was every bit as fast as my G37 but the throttle + transmission calibration was super lazy

Every now and then if I'm taking the back roads home I might dive into a corner and wish I had downshifted... but that's hardly a deal breaker. We are just commuting + tooling around
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 24, 2019, 07:11:43 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on July 23, 2019, 06:12:55 PM
I understand why this car can and doesn't have a manual transmission, but am I crazy for feeling like cars now aren't interesting to me anymore?

I know obviously there is so much more to driving than changing gear, but at this point I kind of don't care anymore.

I've been feeling that for a few years now, and people call me crazy.  Nowadays when I look how little is left being made that I would want to own, it's usually compact to midsize luxury SUVs that have even the smallest amount of appeal.  In the realm of what I'm basically able to afford, something like an F-Pace is probably the most interesting to me.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 24, 2019, 07:19:23 AM
I mean, I would rather have a manual over any automatic (DSG/DCT or torque converter) all else being, but things are rarely all else equal and in this case I agree the overall package is compelling enough (compared to anything else in this price range) that I would still give it a serious look (if I was buying something in this price range).

The closest direct competitors are probably the Z4 (with the bigger engine) and the Porsche 718 (or whatever it is called now). The Porsche is the only one with a manual...but the Corvette offering a V8 would likely push me toward it, particularly because the 718 is using turbo I4's now.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 07:27:59 AM
I'm probably massively in the minority, but my money would just go to a M2... Manual, massively fun, and fast enough
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 24, 2019, 07:37:09 AM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 07:27:59 AM
I'm probably massively in the minority, but my money would just go to a M2... Manual, massively fun, and fast enough

Forgot about that one...it would be an interesting competitor. But mid-engine/V8 is a hard combo to overcome at the price point.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 24, 2019, 07:43:11 AM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on July 24, 2019, 07:37:09 AM
Forgot about that one...it would be an interesting competitor. But mid-engine/V8 is a hard combo to overcome at the price point.
Exactly! The M2 wouldn't get a second glance.....
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 24, 2019, 07:43:21 AM
This seems utterly pointless. And what's the significance of "42069"?

https://jalopnik.com/you-can-customize-your-c8-corvettes-vin-for-5-000-1836659212
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 24, 2019, 07:47:40 AM
The M2 is exactly the car I'd still have some difficulty choosing the Vette over. Since I'm middle aged, bald and have a beer gut, I'm obligated to choose the Vette.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 24, 2019, 07:52:01 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 24, 2019, 07:43:21 AM
This seems utterly pointless. And what's the significance of "42069"?

https://jalopnik.com/you-can-customize-your-c8-corvettes-vin-for-5-000-1836659212

420- the stoner number

69- you know this, horndog.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 24, 2019, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 05:36:44 AM
Ah, heres some fun news... C8 comes with standard all-seasons (for the first time?)

Supposedly they will hit 1.00g, vs 1.03-1.05g of the summer tire option... a staggering 2% drop in max corner speed at most

A damn Altima hit 0.93g on all seasons not too long ago.

Summer tires grow increasingly pointless (IMO)

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28414993/2020-chevrolet-corvette-mid-engine-all-season-tires/

How did you come up with this? :confused:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 08:09:13 AM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on July 24, 2019, 07:37:09 AM
Forgot about that one...it would be an interesting competitor. But mid-engine/V8 is a hard combo to overcome at the price point.

The mid engine thing is interesting... Front engine cars are normally more forgiving as they have better balance.  Mid engine benefits include sharper steering and engine noises closer to your head and better traction for launching.  With how far the limits have increased in cars, I'm really wondering how much of a benefit mid engine is anymore at anything less than super crazy speeds.

I still think of rather just have the M2 and beat on it and not have to worry about knocking the front spoiler off in normal driving
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 24, 2019, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 24, 2019, 07:52:01 AM
420- the stoner number

69- you know this, horndog.

Well yeah, that's actually the only thing I could come up with. It's just 420 and 69 together? I thought it might be something actually related to the Vette.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2019, 08:00:44 AM
How did you come up with this? :confused:
cornering g's = v^2/r

sqrt(g's*r) = v

r = constant for a given corner

v(summer tires)/v(all seasons) = sqrt(g's(summer tires)/g's(all seasons))
vs/va = sqrt(1.05/1)
vs/va = 1.024 --------------------------> 2.4% higher corner speeds.

So like 61MPH instead of 60MPH around an offramp... at the expense of year round usability. Not really logical for a street car in a place with legit winters. But also off the mark of a real track tire like a Pilot Sport Cup 2... so not really logical for a dedicated track car either (though they do last a little longer). No man's land IMO
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 24, 2019, 09:24:41 AM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 05:38:40 AM
I with the 8 speed autos would allow you to preselected a multiple gear skip when hitting the paddle... That's really my biggest bitch with trying to use them in manual mode.

In a manual I can skip gears.  In automatic mode an 8 speed will skip gears.  In manual mode your left clicking through 3 or 4 gears until you find a passing gear.  Some I guess have a long hold feature to downshift to the lowest gear possible - but sometimes that's not what you want either

When performance driving you (generally) don't skip gears
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 24, 2019, 09:24:41 AM
When performance driving you (generally) don't skip gears

In the actual real world (like a street car drives in) you do...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 09:35:07 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 05:36:44 AM
Ah, heres some fun news... C8 comes with standard all-seasons (for the first time?)

Supposedly they will hit 1.00g, vs 1.03-1.05g of the summer tire option... a staggering 2% drop in max corner speed at most

A damn Altima hit 0.93g on all seasons not too long ago.

Summer tires grow increasingly pointless (IMO)

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28414993/2020-chevrolet-corvette-mid-engine-all-season-tires/

You have to put an asterisk beside this as they are described as 3 season tires.  All seasons aren't great in the snow, but I'd wager these would be fairly useless. It's more of just a summer compound capable of driving in colder temperatures.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 24, 2019, 09:37:47 AM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 09:29:28 AM
In the actual real world (like a street car drives in) you do...

I feel like this part gets overlooked a lot.

There is no question that a DCT/DSG (or a really good TC auto) are faster (given all else being equal) than a manual transmission, but I think most buyers that want a manual are driving for fun. On the street folks like me just enjoy it more, and on the track some people want the extra challenge more than the extra performance.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 24, 2019, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 09:05:35 AM
cornering g's = v^2/r

sqrt(g's*r) = v

r = constant for a given corner

v(summer tires)/v(all seasons) = sqrt(g's(summer tires)/g's(all seasons))
vs/va = sqrt(1.05/1)
vs/va = 1.024 --------------------------> 2.4% higher corner speeds.

So like 61MPH instead of 60MPH around an offramp... at the expense of year round usability. Not really logical for a street car in a place with legit winters. But also off the mark of a real track tire like a Pilot Sport Cup 2... so not really logical for a dedicated track car either (though they do last a little longer). No man's land IMO

It's more than just pure outright grip though IMO.  Feel, transition, sidewall stiffness, etc.  I haven't driven this new Michelin all season developed for the vette obviously, but there is a pretty massive gap in the standard michelin all season and pilot sport 4 S.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 09:47:06 AM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 08:09:13 AM
The mid engine thing is interesting... Front engine cars are normally more forgiving as they have better balance.  Mid engine benefits include sharper steering and engine noises closer to your head and better traction for launching.  With how far the limits have increased in cars, I'm really wondering how much of a benefit mid engine is anymore at anything less than super crazy speeds.

I still think of rather just have the M2 and beat on it and not have to worry about knocking the front spoiler off in normal driving
My buddy has a bone stock 228i with the M-Sport kit and they killed their front lip.

I agree though... GM achieved their goal but I question the goal. GM says they hit the limit of FR and had to move to MR. What % of Corvette buyers hit that limit? Most would probably Yoo Hoo™ their cargo shorts approaching the limits of a 20 year old C5. Whole thing has an emperor's new clothes vibe.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 09:48:54 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2019, 09:39:06 AM
It's more than just pure outright grip though IMO.  Feel, transition, sidewall stiffness, etc.  I haven't driven this new Michelin all season developed for the vette obviously, but there is a pretty massive gap in the standard michelin all season and pilot sport 4 S.
Well that is a different thing then. Though again from what I've seen Michelins have the best feel in most performance tire categories
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 09:54:58 AM
I don't get the whole ultra high performance all season tire segment.  If your driving in snow you will still swap to tires capable of driving in snow.  If you are not dealing with snow, just keep the summer tires on and slow down a bit on cold mornings -shrug-
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 24, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 09:54:58 AM
I don't get the whole ultra high performance all season tire segment.  If your driving in snow you will still swap to tires capable of driving in snow.  If you are not dealing with snow, just keep the summer tires on and slow down a bit on cold mornings -shrug-

But fall is a beautiful season here.  Late September and early October see plenty of "cold mornings" in the 40s and low 50s.  Pretty much all of the mornings are that way in the fall.  And people love driving their Corvettes up here during fall color season.  And probably none of said people are ever pushing their car to a point where they need UHP summer tires.  They're just cruisin' enjoying their car. -shrug-
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 24, 2019, 10:06:15 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 24, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
But fall is a beautiful season here.  Late September and early October see plenty of "cold mornings" in the 40s and low 50s.  Pretty much all of the mornings are that way in the fall.  And people love driving their Corvettes up here during fall color season.  And probably none of said people are ever pushing their car to a point where they need UHP summer tires.  They're just cruisin' enjoying their car. -shrug-

Since moving back to NJ I've generally kept my summer tires on until Thanksgiving...have never had any issues. In the event of an early snow I would just not drive (unless the roads are completely cleared).

When I lived in Montreal and Toronto I generally changed over around Halloween (which is actually after the Canadian thanksgiving, now that I think about it).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 24, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on July 24, 2019, 10:06:15 AM
Since moving back to NJ I've generally kept my summer tires on until Thanksgiving...have never had any issues. In the event of an early snow I would just not drive (unless the roads are completely cleared).

When I lived in Montreal and Toronto I generally changed over around Halloween (which is actually after the Canadian thanksgiving, now that I think about it).

Makes sense.  Thanksgiving is about when I'd swap out, too, if I had dedicated snows (which my mom does on her Q5, and that's about when they swap).  At that point, the daytime - and especially morning/night time - temps are low enough that you can feel a difference between winter and A/S tires, even on normal dry pavement.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 10:09:11 AM
Yea we get about 1-2 days of snow but a good 1-2 months of near freezing temps. But we can have a burst of warm weather inbetween. Def not worth having and swapping between two sets of wheels/tires for
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 24, 2019, 10:10:35 AM
Quote from: MX793 on July 23, 2019, 08:39:49 PM
That simply goes to show that the manual transmission, like the mousetrap or wheel, was pretty much perfect while automatics were warmed over garbage with tons of room to improve.

Not so sure about that - ever drive grandpa's '62 Ford truck with 3 on-on-the tree and no synchros ;) ?

Once the first modern AT hit the (the Chrysler TorqueFlight 904 and 727) in the early '60s, the AT definitely pulled ahead, esp. for the dominant craft of the day (drag racing). To that point M/Ts were basically tractor leftovers. Once more modern and robust M/Ts (4 speeds, synchros) hit the scene it was closer, but still, for the craft of the day, a well prepped AT was always faster and more consistent. Once the 5 speed hit the scene in the '80s the M/T took back the crown until the DCT/ZF 8 speed hit the scene ~10 years ago, it's been the AT since.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 24, 2019, 10:10:51 AM
Yeah, if I were to buy a C8, I'd be happy with the all-seasons they put on it. Can't recall the last time I needed to pull 1.5g around a corner.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 24, 2019, 10:15:52 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 24, 2019, 10:10:51 AM
Yeah, if I were to buy a C8, I'd be happy with the all-seasons they put on it. Can't recall the last time I needed to pull 1.5g around a corner.

+1

It's a silly thing to bitch about.  If somebody is serious about tracking or autocrossing their Corvette, they're highly likely to get different tires, anyways.  And even if it did come with UHP summer tires from the factory, they'd be worn out quickly from such events anyway, so they'd still have to get new shoes.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 10:09:11 AM
Yea we get about 1-2 days of snow but a good 1-2 months of near freezing temps. But we can have a burst of warm weather inbetween. Def not worth having and swapping between two sets of wheels/tires for

If you can skip driving for the 2 snow storms, summer tires would be fine year round
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 24, 2019, 10:18:55 AM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 10:17:35 AM
If you can skip driving for the 2 snow storms, summer tires would be fine year round

So would all-seasons (or, 3-seasons).  Hence the name.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on July 24, 2019, 10:21:07 AM
My summers are starting to wear and I'll be replacing them with a performance A/S like the Pilot Sports in the Fall.  Honestly, baring crazy snow storms that I can just use Uber for if I have to get somewhere, A/S are fine in Chicago year round and swapping out tires is becoming a hassle.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 10:31:11 AM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 10:17:35 AM
If you can skip driving for the 2 snow storms, summer tires would be fine year round
But why? Z was on summers and def drove worse in the winter than the G on UHP A/Ss. Summers also wear a lot faster than UHP A/Ss... I drive 20K miles a year. And then there's the hassle of storage and swapping. For a daily driver that sees zero track time what's the upside?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 24, 2019, 10:33:52 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 10:31:11 AM
But why? Z was on summers and def drove worse in the winter than the G on UHP A/Ss. Summers also wear a lot faster than UHP A/Ss... I drive 20K miles a year. And then there's the hassle of storage and swapping. For a daily driver that sees zero track time what's the upside?

Dick size.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 10:35:51 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 10:31:11 AM
But why? Z was on summers and def drove worse in the winter than the G on UHP A/Ss. Summers also wear a lot faster than UHP A/Ss... I drive 20K miles a year. And then there's the hassle of storage and swapping. For a daily driver that sees zero track time what's the upside?

If you are worried about tire wear, the entire argument is moot.  With the A/S all you are is trading performance when it's cold for performance for most of the time when it's not cold
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 24, 2019, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 10:31:11 AM
But why? Z was on summers and def drove worse in the winter than the G on UHP A/Ss. Summers also wear a lot faster than UHP A/Ss... I drive 20K miles a year. And then there's the hassle of storage and swapping. For a daily driver that sees zero track time what's the upside?

I still think that you're just comparing a bad summer against a good all season. But for a DD where you live, I agree that all-seasons make the most sense. If you had a toy car, I might argue that you should give a better set of summers a chance before you write off the entire category.

Honestly, if I didn't like going into the mountains in the winter, I could get away with all seasons in Boulder. I'm considering all seasons for the S2000 when it needs new tires (I don't drive it in snow, but I'll drive it in temps colder than recommended for summers), but I might just go with a less aggressive summer instead. I don't know yet.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 24, 2019, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 09:54:58 AM
I don't get the whole ultra high performance all season tire segment.  If your driving in snow you will still swap to tires capable of driving in snow.  If you are not dealing with snow, just keep the summer tires on and slow down a bit on cold mornings -shrug-

IIRC, you can void the warranty on some summers if you drive them in temps that are too cold, though I'm not very concerned with tire warranties anyway.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 24, 2019, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on July 24, 2019, 10:43:22 AM
IIRC, you can void the warranty on some summers if you drive them in temps that are too cold, though I'm not very concerned with tire warranties anyway.

Yeah, you're voiding a useless warranty with largely unprovable driving. Tire warranties aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 10:35:51 AM
If you are worried about tire wear, the entire argument is moot.  With the A/S all you are is trading performance when it's cold for performance for most of the time when it's not cold
Do you not care about tire wear? And again what relevance does the difference between 1g and 1.05g have to street driving?

If a certain summer tire has subjective attributes you desire that you're willing to sacrifice wear and usability for that's one thing. But throwing everything else away for the last bit of grip.... on your commute?  :confused:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 24, 2019, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 11:21:33 AM
Do you not care about tire wear? And again what relevance does the difference between 1g and 1.05g have to street driving?

If a certain summer tire has subjective attributes you desire that you're willing to sacrifice wear and usability for that's one thing. But throwing everything else away for the last bit of grip.... on your commute?  :confused:

ALPHA.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 11:27:06 AM
Summer tires have better response (less swirm) then all seasons. On something with a fairly good chassis like the RX8 it's extremely noticeable.

I've driven the Mazda in temps in the 20s with Pilot Super Sports and Potenza RE050As... It's not all that bad
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 24, 2019, 11:43:40 AM
Pilot Super Sports are awful under 40 degrees.  I'm ok with summer tires because it's usually just on my sports car.  I have another car I can jump in if the temperature drops.  Most C8 corvette owners will have the same I'm guessing.  In that case, give me the summer tires.

If it's my only car, my daily driver, and I live in the south?  I'd probably just go all seasons.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 11:50:21 AM
Meh, just a little easier to do power slides -shrug-
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 11:58:13 AM
Where are you doing power slides?

*EDIT* And wouldn't stickier tires make powerslides harder? :confused:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 24, 2019, 12:01:16 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 11:58:13 AM
Where are you doing power slides?

On top of your 12k mile brake pads.  Duh.  ;)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 24, 2019, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 11:58:13 AM
Where are you doing power slides?

*EDIT* And wouldn't stickier tires make powerslides harder? :confused:

When super sports/4S tires are cold, they get hard and slick.  They don't stick in colder weather at all really.

I'm not bold enough to slide the S2000 yet. It's very twitchy.  My old NC I could slide around everywhere.  It was great :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 11:58:13 AM
Where are you doing power slides?

*EDIT* And wouldn't stickier tires make powerslides harder? :confused:


Cold tires can = fun
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 24, 2019, 01:23:58 PM
I can powerslide just about anywhere I wish for 4 months a year.  Slidey Season...right around the corner.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on July 24, 2019, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 01:21:27 PM

Cold tires can = fun

Cold tires on a MR car is scary as shit especially if it doesn't have a lot of nanny controls.  Going sideways on the RX8 was super easy to control though.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 24, 2019, 02:36:42 PM
Quote from: NomisR on July 24, 2019, 02:34:45 PM
Cold tires on a MR car is scary as shit especially if it doesn't have a lot of nanny controls.  Going sideways on the RX8 was super easy to control though.

Yeah, really depends on the car.  Granted, it's not the same, but in Gran Turismo, I was always awful with a Lotus Elise.  I could never play at the limit with it very well.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: NomisR on July 24, 2019, 02:34:45 PM
Cold tires on a MR car is scary as shit especially if it doesn't have a lot of nanny controls.  Going sideways on the RX8 was super easy to control though.

That's why I wonder how many C8s will be in trees
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 24, 2019, 02:40:22 PM
So........the A/S tires are a good choice then.......lol
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 24, 2019, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 02:38:22 PM
That's why I wonder how many C8s will be in trees

Watched an old dude in a C7 pull a Cars And Coffee today trying to get out of Starbucks.

Yeah, can't wait to see the C8 butcher's bill.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on July 24, 2019, 03:52:22 PM
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2019, 02:36:42 PM
Yeah, really depends on the car.  Granted, it's not the same, but in Gran Turismo, I was always awful with a Lotus Elise.  I could never play at the limit with it very well.

I've lost it a few times with the Elise on the track, one time it was not having been on the track in a while and I was lifting on corners on my first run, I spun out on the 3rd corner... went out checked the car, came back and spun out again on the same corner.. it was embarrassing.  :lol: 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on July 24, 2019, 03:53:13 PM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 02:38:22 PM
That's why I wonder how many C8s will be in trees
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 24, 2019, 03:44:01 PM
Watched an old dude in a C7 pull a Cars And Coffee today trying to get out of Starbucks.

Yeah, can't wait to see the C8 butcher's bill.

Might not be as bad with all the electronic assist stuff that these cars has.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2019, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: NomisR on July 24, 2019, 03:53:13 PM
Might not be as bad with all the electronic assist stuff that these cars has.
They shut that shit off before putting on the seat belt

And yeah low polar moment + short wheelbase is no good for drifts. My favorite drift cars on Forza were big sedans
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 24, 2019, 04:08:39 PM
Stability control systems should come with a Cars&Covfefe mode.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 24, 2019, 04:34:41 PM
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2019, 02:36:42 PM
Yeah, really depends on the car.  Granted, it's not the same, but in Gran Turismo, I was always awful with a Lotus Elise.  I could never play at the limit with it very well.

It's the short wheelbase.  Makes things happen a lot faster. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 24, 2019, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2019, 02:38:22 PM
That's why I wonder how many C8s will be in trees

Not that many, I'd bet.  I assume it'll have a pretty advanced stability and traction control system.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 24, 2019, 04:36:54 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 24, 2019, 03:44:01 PM
Watched an old dude in a C7 pull a Cars And Coffee today trying to get out of Starbucks.

Yeah, can't wait to see the C8 butcher's bill.

"Pull a Cars And Coffee"?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 24, 2019, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: Raza  on July 24, 2019, 04:36:54 PM
"Pull a Cars And Coffee"?

I assume it means applying too much throttle, combined with the wrong steering input.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 24, 2019, 05:26:06 PM
Cars-n-coffee'd verb - The act of crashing into an object, usually a tree, lamp post, or pedestrians, due to the act of showing off by driving in a manner beyond his/her actual driving skills, usually while entering a street from a parking lot. See douchebaggery, Mustang GT.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 24, 2019, 05:33:29 PM
https://youtu.be/kgzP__qjxrk
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 24, 2019, 05:47:02 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 24, 2019, 05:26:06 PM
Cars-n-coffee'd verb - The act of crashing into an object, usually a tree, lamp post, or pedestrians, due to the act of showing off by driving in a manner beyond his/her actual driving skills, usually while entering a street from a parking lot. See douchebaggery, Mustang GT.

Now part of my permanent lexicon.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 24, 2019, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 24, 2019, 10:10:35 AM
Not so sure about that - ever drive grandpa's '62 Ford truck with 3 on-on-the tree and no synchros ;) ?

Once the first modern AT hit the (the Chrysler TorqueFlight 904 and 727) in the early '60s, the AT definitely pulled ahead, esp. for the dominant craft of the day (drag racing). To that point M/Ts were basically tractor leftovers. Once more modern and robust M/Ts (4 speeds, synchros) hit the scene it was closer, but still, for the craft of the day, a well prepped AT was always faster and more consistent. Once the 5 speed hit the scene in the '80s the M/T took back the crown until the DCT/ZF 8 speed hit the scene ~10 years ago, it's been the AT since.

Grand dad doesn't have a '62 Ford truck.  He's got a '65 Impala 283 with a 3 on the tree that I've driven.  Wasn't that bad once I figured out the shift pattern.  The lousy brakes and slow steering rack jump out at me more than the transmission.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on July 24, 2019, 09:04:48 PM
Jay Leno is deeeeep into FOG territory now. That video depressed me. :cry:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 24, 2019, 09:31:49 PM
The tirade against UHP A/S is dumb. If you're reaching the limits of those tires on the street you deserve a reckless driving ticket. The only place you're gonna notice the extra grip of good summer tires is AutoX or a track. In which case you should be on better tires than P4Ss or whatever anyway.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 24, 2019, 09:36:23 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 24, 2019, 09:31:49 PM
The tirade against UHP A/S is dumb. If you're reaching the limits of those tires on the street you deserve a reckless driving ticket. The only place you're gonna notice the extra grip of good summer tires is AutoX or a track. In which case you should be on better tires than P4Ss or whatever anyway.

With logic like that, everyone should be driving Geo Metros with 155/80/12 tires.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 24, 2019, 11:21:43 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 24, 2019, 09:31:49 PM
The tirade against UHP A/S is dumb. If you're reaching the limits of those tires on the street you deserve a reckless driving ticket. The only place you're gonna notice the extra grip of good summer tires is AutoX or a track. In which case you should be on better tires than P4Ss or whatever anyway.

I'm not a fan of summer tires at all, but there is a difference beyond grip, even at just 5/10ths. A/S and the like definitely will have tread block squirm for example, and it is noticeable.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on July 25, 2019, 05:03:04 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on July 24, 2019, 05:26:06 PM
Cars-n-coffee'd verb - The act of crashing into an object, usually a tree, lamp post, or pedestrians, due to the act of showing off by driving in a manner beyond his/her actual driving skills, usually while entering a street from a parking lot. See douchebaggery, Mustang GT.

Ah.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 25, 2019, 06:23:16 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 24, 2019, 09:31:49 PM
The tirade against UHP A/S is dumb. If you're reaching the limits of those tires on the street you deserve a reckless driving ticket. The only place you're gonna notice the extra grip of good summer tires is AutoX or a track. In which case you should be on better tires than P4Ss or whatever anyway.

Genuine question: Is this oversimplifying the difference?

For example, you could make the same claim about most parts of the car. If you aren't pushing [x component] past its limits you really don't need anything more. I can see this being the case for some things (alternator, coolant, etc...) but not the case for others (engine, transmission, suspension).

To me, I have always placed tires in the second category. Even if you aren't pushing the maximum adhesion limits, different tires still impact how the car drives. I can certainly imagine a situation in where just the maximum grip doesn't tell the whole story of how a tire will perform on the street...but who knows I could be wrong.

The trick for me, as someone tire shopping right now, is that I can't test drive different tires. I have to pick them based on reviews and expectations combined with my past experience with other tires. IME, all-season tires are squishier and have less grip than summer tires. Maybe the newest A/S tires are better...but since I can't really test them myself I am hesitant to buy them because I KNOW how good summer tires will perform and I KNOW I will be happy. It would be nice to have year round tires that perform as good as summer tires but can also be used safely during the winter...it just seems like one of those things that are "too good to be true" to me.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: ChrisV on July 25, 2019, 08:08:18 AM
I'v spent some time on UHP AS tires (both BMWs have them) and what they offer for the street is better, more progressive breakaway at the limit which is easier to catch, and yes, lower overall limits, but higher than you really need on the street. Along with better grip and feel in lower temps or in the wet. I've driven serious autocross tires on the street as well as UHP Summers, and the snap transition from grip to no grip, while at higher limits, is much more dangerous for most drivers. And I can imagine that in a ME car like the C8, that would be a death sentence on the street.

I'd rather the tires communicate predictably and clearly what's happening, as well as have a much more progressive breakaway at the limit, than just "grip, grip, grip" and then "oh, sorry, you got nothing."

This is also why cars like the Miata have always been considered so much fun on the street vs much higher performance cars. The limits are lower, but they are more approachable and fun to drive at than many more "capable" cars on paper.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 25, 2019, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on July 25, 2019, 06:23:16 AM
Genuine question: Is this oversimplifying the difference?

For example, you could make the same claim about most parts of the car. If you aren't pushing [x component] past its limits you really don't need anything more. I can see this being the case for some things (alternator, coolant, etc...) but not the case for others (engine, transmission, suspension).

To me, I have always placed tires in the second category. Even if you aren't pushing the maximum adhesion limits, different tires still impact how the car drives. I can certainly imagine a situation in where just the maximum grip doesn't tell the whole story of how a tire will perform on the street...but who knows I could be wrong.

The trick for me, as someone tire shopping right now, is that I can't test drive different tires. I have to pick them based on reviews and expectations combined with my past experience with other tires. IME, all-season tires are squishier and have less grip than summer tires. Maybe the newest A/S tires are better...but since I can't really test them myself I am hesitant to buy them because I KNOW how good summer tires will perform and I KNOW I will be happy. It would be nice to have year round tires that perform as good as summer tires but can also be used safely during the winter...it just seems like one of those things that are "too good to be true" to me.

I've had 3 different tires on the El Camino.

Conti AWS
BFG Comp 2 A/S
Bridgestone RE-71R

The Contis had a bit of a squishy sidewall. I liked the BFGs on the front better, since they had a stiffer sidewall and helped the steering feel more direct.

I can't really tell the difference between the BFGs and the RE-71Rs at normal speeds. Steering feel is similar. Except the RE-71Rs are louder, kick up rocks, and wear twice as fast. They are way faster for AutoX, but on the street the BFGs are a better tire. And if the RE-71Rs don't transform the car's street performance, a PSS isn't going to either.

I know a few other people rocking the BFG Comp 2 A/S and they love them as well. They actually do pretty well for AutoX too, given the compound.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 25, 2019, 01:00:37 PM
Only time I really felt the squishiness of the DWS06s was in the hard braking zone of that fated track day (not where I crashed, wasn't braking then)

On the street the squishiness might have explained the vaguish steering feel but they were no worse than the stock tires the S came on

Plus we have to remember in terms of feel tires are one piece in a long chain of components. I suppose they are easier to change than suspension parts, but overall I'd say suspension has a much greater overall effect on feel than tires. Going straight or making light turns all tires prob feel the same outside of bumps and noise. But you feel the suspension all the time.

In any case SJ_GTI already bought his tires and in his case with the R in the garage he can keep summers on the Z3. But for only one car I still think 1 set of tires that can cover the 4 seasons you deal with is ideal
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 25, 2019, 01:46:49 PM
I agree, because switching tires is a PITA. I've kept the RE's on the El Camino because I'm too lazy to switch them for events and switch back after.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 25, 2019, 01:58:47 PM
I mean, maybe because I have the space to keep extra wheels/tires handy in my garage the notion of switching them out never struck me as onerous. Even before I had a garage I kept them in my basement (when I lived in an apartment I kept them in a random corner somewhere). I feel like changing wheels is maybe the easiest of things you can do to a car. Anyone can do it and it isn't particularly time consuming.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 25, 2019, 02:04:22 PM
Especially if your second set of tires is already mounted on its own set of wheels...then you don't have to take it into a shop or anything.  Just swap 'em out in the driveway and make sure they have enough air.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 25, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
If you do a lot of street and event driving, I can see how swapping tires on/off all the time would be annoying. But once every 6 months isn't a big deal.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 25, 2019, 02:56:29 PM
The less fiddling I can do with a car the better

Only time I ever want to take tires off is to do a brake job
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 25, 2019, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 25, 2019, 02:56:29 PM
The less fiddling I can do with a car the better

Only time I ever want to take tires off is to do a brake job

Oh, how times have changed. :lol:

It's definitely area dependent as well. It'd be silly to have dedicated snow tires in NC for like the 3 times a year it actually snows.

I ran summers year round in Georgia. Just gotta take it easy when it's really cold, and stay home for the occasional snow/ice storm.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 25, 2019, 03:51:38 PM
I swap to my race wheels and tires, and back, a couple times per month during the summer.  Can do it in 30 minutes or less without power tools (just a breaker bar, socket, torque wrench and jack).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 25, 2019, 03:56:11 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on July 25, 2019, 03:03:40 PM
Oh, how times have changed. :lol:
I'm OK to do maintenance and make 1 change... but this damn Kia broke my will to tinker

1st requirement for my next car... good aftermarket suspension options
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 25, 2019, 03:56:54 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on July 25, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
If you do a lot of street and event driving, I can see how swapping tires on/off all the time would be annoying. But once every 6 months isn't a big deal.

It's a big deal if you're my mom. She puts on new winter tires somewhere in January, and then drives on them all year. They are worn out by the next winter. One set of tires per year. It's a good system. :muffin: :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 25, 2019, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: MX793 on July 25, 2019, 03:51:38 PM
I swap to my race wheels and tires, and back, a couple times per month during the summer.  Can do it in 30 minutes or less without power tools (just a breaker bar, socket, torque wrench and jack).

I got a DeWalt electric impact. Definitely worth it
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on July 26, 2019, 07:32:19 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 25, 2019, 10:23:16 AM
I've had 3 different tires on the El Camino.

Conti AWS
BFG Comp 2 A/S
Bridgestone RE-71R

The Contis had a bit of a squishy sidewall. I liked the BFGs on the front better, since they had a stiffer sidewall and helped the steering feel more direct.

I can't really tell the difference between the BFGs and the RE-71Rs at normal speeds. Steering feel is similar. Except the RE-71Rs are louder, kick up rocks, and wear twice as fast. They are way faster for AutoX, but on the street the BFGs are a better tire. And if the RE-71Rs don't transform the car's street performance, a PSS isn't going to either.

I know a few other people rocking the BFG Comp 2 A/S and they love them as well. They actually do pretty well for AutoX too, given the compound.

Well, I don't think a 1969 El Camino is necessarily the best platform to test tire responsiveness, turn in and feel :lol:  Is that a recirculating ball steering rack?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 26, 2019, 09:23:52 AM
I put the BFGs on my Mazda too, same feel. Good sidewalls, plenty of grip for street driving. You don't need anything more for the street unless you're driving like a jackass.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 26, 2019, 11:18:32 AM
Eh, if summers feel better I can understand. I mean, a lot of performance cars are overkill for the street. But many feel special even just tooling around. Subjectively good tires can add to that, even if unusably high grip is a consequence.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on July 29, 2019, 12:16:04 PM
The C8 Corvette: You love reading about it, we are okay with writing about it. But if you want to own it, to feel all 495 horsepower humming behind the driver's seat, you'd better hustle down to your local Chevrolet dealership and get your order in as the long-fabled mid-engine Corvette is almost sold out, at least for the first model year anyway.
Michael Simcoe, General Motor's design chief, told Autoblog at the Concours d'Elegance of America (an event held in Plymouth, MI, not to be confused with the Concours d'Elegance in Monterrey, CA) over the weekend that new 'Vette orders are either already at capacity or nearly there.

"It's nearly sold out. It's so close that it's bound to be sold out soon," Simcoe told Autoblog.
It's unclear just how many spots the General has for those looking for a C8 Corvette, though the C7 has sold 30,000 units in a good year. Not only is the engine in a difference place in the C8, but this Corvette is has both a trunk and a frunk—reason for purchasing alone. But who knows, maybe folks are rushing to get their custom VINs in before someone else can snag ASSMN.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Morris Minor on July 29, 2019, 12:47:03 PM
The dealer markups over list for C8s are going to be very chunky - like $20k. If you can drive out for much less than 100k you'll be doing well IMO.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on July 29, 2019, 12:53:47 PM
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 29, 2019, 12:47:03 PM
The dealer markups over list for C8s are going to be very chunky - like $20k. If you can drive out for much less than 100k you'll be doing well IMO.

Someone mentioned earlier that GM wasn't going to allow for such shenanigans, that a dealership could be cut from the chain if they mark up.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 29, 2019, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 29, 2019, 12:53:47 PM
Someone mentioned earlier that GM wasn't going to allow for such shenanigans, that a dealership could be cut from the chain if they mark up.

they'll have their yearly allotment cut.

Not a big deterrent if they're all sold already.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 29, 2019, 01:21:22 PM
Can GM plz now use the C8's platform as the basis for all new cars?  Kthx. I'll take a MR V8 Spark.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 29, 2019, 01:27:44 PM
That is good news for GM if true.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 29, 2019, 01:31:04 PM
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 29, 2019, 12:47:03 PM
The dealer markups over list for C8s are going to be very chunky - like $20k. If you can drive out for much less than 100k you'll be doing well IMO.
There are threads on the Vette Forums listing the dealerships that will be selling the C8 at list price.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Morris Minor on July 29, 2019, 01:31:44 PM
I remember when the PT Cruiser was being marked up just after launch. Difficult to imagine now.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 29, 2019, 01:34:12 PM
Quote from: Morris Minor on July 29, 2019, 01:31:44 PM
I remember when the PT Cruiser was being marked up just after launch. Difficult to imagine now.
RIGHT! Online car sales have put an end to that!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: mzziaz on July 29, 2019, 03:04:53 PM
I'm not surprised. Most exciting new car in a long time.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 01, 2019, 05:52:11 AM
Stingray Roadster may have hardtop that retracts behind the seats, heated rear window that fully retracts or part way to be a wind blocker.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28555428/2020-chevy-corvette-c8-convertible-spy-photos/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 01, 2019, 06:29:58 AM
I have been thinking about it... I need to see the GS/Z's to really form an opinion on the design

The widebody/performance versions always look way better
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on August 01, 2019, 06:53:15 AM
Not sure I can envision a widebody on the C8...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 01, 2019, 06:59:00 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 01, 2019, 05:52:11 AM
Stingray Roadster may have hardtop that retracts behind the seats, heated rear window that fully retracts or part way to be a wind blocker.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28555428/2020-chevy-corvette-c8-convertible-spy-photos/
Yeah I'm thinking the whole roof will "flip back" on top of the engine! Kinda like a Ferrari!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 01, 2019, 07:00:11 AM
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/mid-engined-chevrolet-corvette-c8-spy-photo-edit1-1533851030.jpg)

They are working on the C8.R....
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 01, 2019, 07:06:34 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on August 01, 2019, 06:59:00 AM
Yeah I'm thinking the whole roof will "flip back" on top of the engine! Kinda like a Ferrari!

According to the article, it flips vertically behind the seats and in front of the engine.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 01, 2019, 07:29:18 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 01, 2019, 07:06:34 AM
According to the article, it flips vertically behind the seats and in front of the engine.
I doubt that! The way the frame comes up behind the rear of the passenger compartment won't allow the top to fold vertically.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 01, 2019, 07:45:25 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on August 01, 2019, 07:29:18 AM
I doubt that! The way the frame comes up behind the rear of the passenger compartment won't allow the top to fold vertically.

Oh yeah, the backbone. C&D is out to lunch on this one.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on August 01, 2019, 11:09:24 AM
C&D has turned to "Corvette and Driver" at this point.  Every little detail about the Corvette has an article;

Corvette won't have chrome wheels
Corvette Convertible in the works
Corvette gets tons of attention at car meet, Corvette starts at 60K
Corvette vs other mid engine cars
Why does the Corvette going mid engine mater
What does Mid engine mean?
Corvette gets all season tires
Corvette C8.R camo
Corvette might get a manual
Corvette probably won't get a manual
Corvette gives Camaro room to breathe

And on and on it went.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 01, 2019, 12:08:02 PM
All about them clicks baby

Plus the C8 is the first truly exciting car in forever
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on August 01, 2019, 12:15:48 PM
Problem is, 99.9% of new cars, even performance cars, are farily terrible, so when something comes along that looks interesting, I can't blame 'em for overdoing it. Plus, I also have to think the major auto mags are getting murdered by YouTube reviewers (rightfully so), so dem clicks.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 01, 2019, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 01, 2019, 12:08:02 PM
All about them clicks baby

Plus the C8 is the first truly exciting car in forever

I've given up on new cars. The C8 isn't even exciting to me because it is unattainable. It might as well be a Boogotti.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 01, 2019, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 01, 2019, 01:34:23 PM
I've given up on new cars. The C8 isn't even exciting to me because it is unattainable. It might as well be a Boogotti.

But you can wake up in a new Boogotti. :huh:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 01, 2019, 02:07:18 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 01, 2019, 01:46:59 PM
But you can wake up in a new Boogotti. :huh:

I had to look up this reference to Ace Hood. Apparently, this guy has so much money that he blacked out from smoking so much weed, and then woke up in a new Bugatti that he doesn't remember purchasing. After such a typical day, he decides to make.his way home, wearing a one hundred thousand dollar watch, to beat his wife/girfriend and kick her out of his house that costs $4200 a month. Then he plays basketball. Cool story, bro.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 01, 2019, 02:27:05 PM
I've blacked out on alcohol before.  But weed?  No.  Smoking too much weed means I am HYPER aware of everything around me...I ain't blacking out.  I've even puked once from getting too high (dabs).  In combination with alcohol, though, I can see that happening.  One of the first times I smoked weed was while I was also consuming alcohol...I came to with a pizza box in my hand like fuck yeah, I got pizza.  Walked back to my dorm room and ate the shit out of it.

If I'm already moderately/heavily intoxicated...I know to be careful with weed.  Because it'll put me over the edge and indeed black me out. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 01, 2019, 02:30:14 PM
If you smoke "that much" weed, you don't move.  You get paralyzed in the chair and think about every terrible, petty, stupid thing you've ever done.  And fall asleep.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 01, 2019, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on August 01, 2019, 12:15:48 PM
Problem is, 99.9% of new cars, even performance cars, are farily terrible, so when something comes along that looks interesting, I can't blame 'em for overdoing it. Plus, I also have to think the major auto mags are getting murdered by YouTube reviewers (rightfully so), so dem clicks.
YUP!

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 01, 2019, 02:07:18 PM
I had to look up this reference to Ace Hood. Apparently, this guy has so much money that he blacked out from smoking so much weed, and then woke up in a new Bugatti that he doesn't remember purchasing. After such a typical day, he decides to make.his way home, wearing a one hundred thousand dollar watch, to beat his wife/girfriend and kick her out of his house that costs $4200 a month. Then he plays basketball. Cool story, bro.
LOL!!!

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 01, 2019, 03:45:26 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 01, 2019, 02:30:14 PM
If you smoke "that much" weed, you don't move.  You get paralyzed in the chair and think about every terrible, petty, stupid thing you've ever done.  And fall asleep.

I actually throw up and fall asleep. Not necessarily in that order.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on August 01, 2019, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 01, 2019, 02:30:14 PM
think about every terrible, petty, stupid thing you've ever done. 

:hesaid:

Not pleasant!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 01, 2019, 04:33:57 PM
Quote from: Laconian on August 01, 2019, 04:31:13 PM
:hesaid:

Not pleasant!

Why you guys have guilty conscience? I play video games, play music, play with dogs, build a fort with my couch cushions, etc.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on August 01, 2019, 04:43:14 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 01, 2019, 04:33:57 PM
Why you guys have guilty conscience? I play video games, play music, play with dogs, build a fort with my couch cushions, etc.

Don't you wish you felt existential dread instead? You're missing out!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 01, 2019, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: Laconian on August 01, 2019, 04:43:14 PM
Don't you wish you felt existential dread instead? You're missing out!

Yeah, maybe I'll give it a try next time.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: ChrisV on August 02, 2019, 09:03:45 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 01, 2019, 01:34:23 PM
I've given up on new cars. The C8 isn't even exciting to me because it is unattainable. It might as well be a Boogotti.

I always pay attention to new cars because they BECOME used cars and thus attainable. By already knowing about them I don't have to ask questions before buying them. ;)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 02, 2019, 09:09:53 AM
Quote from: ChrisV on August 02, 2019, 09:03:45 AM
I always pay attention to new cars because they BECOME used cars and thus attainable. By already knowing about them I don't have to ask questions before buying them. ;)

My used car attainability age is about 15 years and older, so I have plenty of time. Once C8s are going for under $25K, I might start drooling. For now, I will drool over used C5s and Camaro SSsess.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 02, 2019, 10:24:54 AM
I found an online loan company that doesn't have year/mileage limitations so now my car buying options have opened up...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 02, 2019, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 02, 2019, 10:24:54 AM
I found an online loan company that doesn't have year/mileage limitations so now my car buying options have opened up...

Please share. I need a loan

https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbia-1966-pontiac-gto-for-sale/6946298973.html
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 02, 2019, 01:30:26 PM
https://www.lightstream.com/classic-car-financing
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 02, 2019, 01:30:59 PM
Also lawl at putting that tiny air cleaner on a 502.

But the 2nd engine picture has a normal sized one. Weird.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 02, 2019, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 02, 2019, 01:30:59 PM
Also lawl at putting that tiny air cleaner on a 502.

But the 2nd engine picture has a normal sized one. Weird.

Over $100,000 invested! Thousands in multiple sets of air cleaners to suit your mood!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 10, 2019, 10:13:42 AM
First crash.  :facepalm:

https://jalopnik.com/this-looks-like-the-first-public-c8-corvette-crash-1837127259
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 10, 2019, 10:23:30 AM
I was gonna say Lambo kit car owners are watching with interest, but seriously, I wonder if GM will offer the engine/trans package separately? You can buy almost every other powertrain, including Ford's Voodoo and Mopar's Hellcat/Demon/Helliphant Hemis.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on August 10, 2019, 10:55:49 AM
This would be a perfect car to make into other cars.. :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 10, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
Quote from: NomisR on August 10, 2019, 10:55:49 AM
This would be a perfect car to make into other cars.. :lol:

It does seem to make "exotic" kit cars silly and moot. Why invest $60+K in a Factory Five GTM or a terrible Lambo kit when you can just go down to the Chevy store and get something a bajillion times better.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on August 10, 2019, 11:02:13 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 10, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
It does seem to make "exotic" kit cars silly and moot. Why invest $60+K in a Factory Five GTM or a terrible Lambo kit when you can just go down to the Chevy store and get something a bajillion times better.

Only "exotic" kit car that I would want is the BAC Mono.  It's not like my wife ever wants to ride in the Elise anyways, I might as well get a single seater.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 10, 2019, 11:09:44 AM
Quote from: NomisR on August 10, 2019, 11:02:13 AM
Only "exotic" kit car that I would want is the BAC Mono.  It's not like my wife ever wants to ride in the Elise anyways, I might as well get a single seater.

Yeah. Now that trikes are legal in Ontario (with a helmet, ugh) I'd like something like a Morgan Trike.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 10, 2019, 12:18:05 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 10, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
It does seem to make "exotic" kit cars silly and moot. Why invest $60+K in a Factory Five GTM or a terrible Lambo kit when you can just go down to the Chevy store and get something a bajillion times better.
Because...
... you want something different  :huh:
... sports cars are just as much about feelings as they are about numbers :huh:
... in base trim, this thing is kind of ugly :mask:

For someone who wants revs and manual shifts this is a no go, no matter how much it kills in bench racing series. Not to say it's bad but it's not for everyone
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on August 11, 2019, 09:25:36 AM
I really want an Exocet, bac mono, maybe an Ariel atom. But yeah, no way would I do a factory five car over something like a vette.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on August 11, 2019, 09:31:42 AM
I saw a super dope, white, C7 ZedOhSix parked on the street last night. And it almost made me sad. But in a good way. FE/RWD Vettes will one day be highly sought after. Not that they aren't now, but you know what I mean.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on August 11, 2019, 09:40:33 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 10, 2019, 10:13:42 AM
First crash.  :facepalm:

https://jalopnik.com/this-looks-like-the-first-public-c8-corvette-crash-1837127259

Driver was probably texting because it's an automatic and he had nothing better to do.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on August 11, 2019, 10:41:03 AM
Quote from: Raza  on August 11, 2019, 09:40:33 AM
Driver was probably texting because it's an automatic and he had nothing better to do.

:lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 11, 2019, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: MrH on August 11, 2019, 09:25:36 AM
I really want an Exocet, bac mono, maybe an Ariel atom. But yeah, no way would I do a factory five car over something like a vette.

Oh, I still want a FFR Cobra. They can be built under $30k, and under 40 with a new 302 and Tremec T5. The GTR would be silly, and it's ugly anyway.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 11, 2019, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: Raza  on August 11, 2019, 09:40:33 AM
Driver was probably texting because it's an automatic and he had nothing better to do.

:clap:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 11, 2019, 12:25:32 PM
Quote from: MrH on August 11, 2019, 09:25:36 AM
I really want an Exocet, bac mono, maybe an Ariel atom. But yeah, no way would I do a factory five car over something like a vette.
I almost feel like this and a kit car are too different to compare. I can't see people genuinely cross shopping them

For my money a V6 RX8 or Miata sounds more interesting... especially the RX8 at like 1/3 the price. But I can't afford a C8 anyway so my opinion is skewed
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 11, 2019, 12:39:39 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 11, 2019, 12:25:32 PM
I almost feel like this and a kit car are too different to compare. I can't see people genuinely cross shopping them

For my money a V6 RX8 or Miata sounds more interesting... especially the RX8 at like 1/3 the price. But I can't afford a C8 anyway so my opinion is skewed

Or this

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/charlotte-97-e36-ti-with-m3-engine/6949506105.html
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 11, 2019, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 11, 2019, 12:25:32 PM
I almost feel like this and a kit car are too different to compare. I can't see people genuinely cross shopping them

For my money a V6 RX8 or Miata sounds more interesting... especially the RX8 at like 1/3 the price. But I can't afford a C8 anyway so my opinion is skewed

For the general public, yeah. Kit cars live in a tiny niche, which is why I'm speaking for myself.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 12, 2019, 08:13:30 PM
Allocation break down!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y9A5g5YQ0Y
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 15, 2019, 05:30:55 AM
Pricing!
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28699755/2020-chevy-corvette-pricing/

From GM!
https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/chevrolet/na/us/english/index/vehicles/2020/performance/zerv-reveal/02-pdfs/C8_Pricing_PDF.pdf
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 15, 2019, 05:45:05 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on July 19, 2019, 09:33:12 AM
With a starting price of 60k I fugure at least $3500 for the 2LT package and $4000 for the Z51 Package.........
I was waaaay off on the 2LT package ($7300) wich is a must have for me. I could do without the 5K Z51 (Plus Mag Ride and Performance Exhaust) package tho..........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 15, 2019, 07:30:26 AM
No real surprises here. I'll take a 1LT with the Z51 package in bronze. $65,000 US, probably about $72K up here. Considering my brother paid almost $100K for his '19 Z06, and the C8 is faster and probably better in every way, it's still quite a deal.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 15, 2019, 07:42:53 AM
Holy crap, a quick search of a few dealers shows 2019 Z06s with discounts up to $11,000, and still priced at $80 – 95,000.  I can't imagine how these can sell.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 15, 2019, 09:17:44 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 15, 2019, 07:30:26 AM
No real surprises here. I'll take a 1LT with the Z51 package in bronze. $65,000 US, probably about $72K up here. Considering my brother paid almost $100K for his '19 Z06, and the C8 is faster and probably better in every way, it's still quite a deal.
Yeas it is a deal! I'd go 2LT with the Performance exhaust and tall rear spoiler in White,Black or Yellow. Sadly I can't justify buying one new (equipped the way I want) right now! So I'm torn between keeping the GS a couple more years or picking up a C7 for a few years.........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on August 15, 2019, 01:41:10 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 15, 2019, 07:30:26 AM
I'll take a 1LT with the Z51 package in bronze. $65,000 US.

So 65K for a car that will do 0-60 in under 3s.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: mzziaz on August 16, 2019, 02:27:33 AM
Quote from: Galaxy on August 15, 2019, 01:41:10 PM
So 65K for new a car mid engined track monster that will do 0-60 in under 3s with full warranty.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on August 18, 2019, 08:05:19 AM
Sales will suffer with no chrome wheel option for the core audience
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on August 18, 2019, 08:37:42 AM
Quote from: r0tor on August 18, 2019, 08:05:19 AM
Sales will suffer with no chrome wheel option for the core audience

The chrome wheel crowd is the same group who complained that they wouldn't buy a mid-engine Vette anyway.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 18, 2019, 05:49:47 PM
Quote from: MX793 on August 18, 2019, 08:37:42 AM
The chrome wheel crowd is the same group who complained that they wouldn't buy a mid-engine Vette anyway.
LOL! WORD!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on August 19, 2019, 06:33:48 AM
Meh, I imagine it is pretty easy to get your wheels chromed on the aftermarket if you really want it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 19, 2019, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on August 19, 2019, 06:33:48 AM
Meh, I imagine it is pretty easy to get your wheels chromed on the aftermarket if you really want it.
I don't get the hate for chrome! If you don't like it don't order it! It's just that simple.......
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 19, 2019, 10:55:19 AM
It's too look-at-me flashy. So says the guys with widebody kits, double airfoil wings, stanced 22" wheels, and Monster Energy decals. Must be legit.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on August 19, 2019, 12:15:42 PM
Quote from: MX793 on August 18, 2019, 08:37:42 AM
The chrome wheel crowd is the same group who complained that they wouldn't buy a mid-engine Vette anyway.

Doomed
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 19, 2019, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 19, 2019, 10:55:19 AM
It's too look-at-me flashy. So says the guys with widebody kits, double airfoil wings, stanced 22" wheels, and Monster Energy decals. Must be legit.
:clap:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on August 26, 2019, 05:48:22 PM
https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-corvette-z06-flat-plane-crank-twin-turbo-v-8


Supposedly the Z06 is going to get a twin turbo flat crank V8.  It's going to be insane.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2019, 05:50:17 PM
Quote from: 565 on August 26, 2019, 05:48:22 PM
https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-corvette-z06-flat-plane-crank-twin-turbo-v-8


Supposedly the Z06 is going to get a twin turbo flat crank V8.  It's going to be insane.

You forgot to mention the dual overhead cams. BLASPHEMY!!!   :rage:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on August 26, 2019, 05:56:02 PM
That's good news.  Now Ford doesn't have to restrict the GT for Le Mans; one would hope.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on August 26, 2019, 06:11:38 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2019, 05:50:17 PM
You forgot to mention the dual overhead cams. BLASPHEMY!!!   :rage:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/0/08/Winn_adami.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120407203952&path-prefix=en)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 26, 2019, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: Laconian on August 26, 2019, 06:11:38 PM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/0/08/Winn_adami.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120407203952&path-prefix=en)

Chevrolet has angered The Prophets! :heated:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 26, 2019, 06:27:55 PM
Leaked performance specs at 3:41. This further lets me know I don't need the Z51 Package!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yowdv_hxazA
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 27, 2019, 04:18:13 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on August 26, 2019, 06:27:55 PM
Leaked performance specs at 3:41. This further lets me know I don't need the Z51 Package!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yowdv_hxazA

Unless you plan to track it, nobody really needs anything beyond the base car, except for personalization options.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 27, 2019, 05:42:33 AM
I still wanna see how the GS looks... base car just looks a little slab sided, they held back
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 27, 2019, 06:38:49 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 27, 2019, 04:18:13 AM
Unless you plan to track it, nobody really needs anything beyond the base car, except for personalization options.
My money would go towards the 2LT option package!

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 27, 2019, 05:42:33 AM
I still wanna see how the GS looks... base car just looks a little slab sided, they held back
I don't think it'll be a drastic change like it was in the C6/C7 models! I'm thinking it'll be more Aero changes than (wider) body changes! We shall see!  :popcorn:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: afty on August 28, 2019, 10:31:23 AM
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/28/chevy-corvette-c8-quarter-mile-0-to-60/

QuoteAmong the interesting stats, the booklet shows the Corvette with a quarter-mile time of 11.3 seconds at 121 miles per hour. For context, GM's official quarter-mile estimate for the C7 Corvette with the Z51 package was 12 seconds at 119 mph, the C7 Z06 was listed at 10.95 seconds at 127 mph, and the C7 ZR1 did the quarter in 10.6 seconds at 134 mph.

In the same section with the drag-strip numbers, figures are broken out for the entry model and the Z51 package: 0 to 60 mph takes 3.0 seconds with the entry-level model, 2.9 seconds with the Z51 package. The 2019 Corvette with the Z51 package took 3.8 seconds to reach 60 mph, the C7 Corvette Z06 with the eight-speed automatic and Z07 package took 2.95 seconds, and the the C7 Corvette ZR1 needed 2.85 seconds.

Man, this thing is looking good.  For context, these are almost exactly the same numbers as C&D got on a 911 Carrera S 992 (https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a28352278/2020-porsche-911-carrera-s-by-the-numbers/).  The 911 trapped a bit higher at 125 mph.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on August 28, 2019, 12:33:18 PM
It all sounds great. I am still baffled though why they are replacing a amazing, unique engine with a general TT DOHC engine that will likely sound and feel just like everyone else's engine.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 29, 2019, 07:04:51 AM
Especially after the stigma of Northstar!

Are they going to bring back the V8-6-4 diesel too? :lol:

The SBC is GM's crown jewel. I would put it in any and every car possible.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 29, 2019, 07:16:37 AM
The SBC has a deep rumble; perfect for muscle cars, but a little out of place for a mid-engine exotic. A twin turbo, flat plane V8 is going to be wicked in the Z06, with a high rpm, high pitch wail not unlike a Ferrari. Going by current Z06's, and following the price increase formula of the regular C8 over the C7, we may see this car in the $85k range, or at least under $100k. Amazing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 29, 2019, 09:10:11 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 29, 2019, 07:16:37 AM
The SBC has a deep rumble; perfect for muscle cars, but a little out of place for a mid-engine exotic. A twin turbo, flat plane V8 is going to be wicked in the Z06, with a high rpm, high pitch wail not unlike a Ferrari. Going by current Z06's, and following the price increase formula of the regular C8 over the C7, we may see this car in the $85k range, or at least under $100k. Amazing.
:hesaid:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on August 29, 2019, 09:21:08 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 29, 2019, 07:04:51 AM
Especially after the stigma of Northstar!

Are they going to bring back the V8-6-4 diesel too? :lol:

The SBC is GM's crown jewel. I would put it in any and every car possible.
Northstar was rated as a world class engine.  It was discontinued to GM's detriment.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on August 29, 2019, 09:25:55 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 29, 2019, 07:16:37 AM
The SBC has a deep rumble; perfect for muscle cars, but a little out of place for a mid-engine exotic. A twin turbo, flat plane V8 is going to be wicked in the Z06, with a high rpm, high pitch wail not unlike a Ferrari. Going by current Z06's, and following the price increase formula of the regular C8 over the C7, we may see this car in the $85k range, or at least under $100k. Amazing.
I agree.  The C8/SBC may well be considered a semi-exotic, on a par with the Ford GT gen 2.  With a high-revving flat plane crank and DOHC screaming up close to 9000 rpm, it would be on a level with most exotics.  It should sound wicked.  About time GM did something special.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 29, 2019, 09:26:23 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 29, 2019, 09:21:08 AM
Northstar was rated as a world class engine.  It was discontinued to GM's detriment.

It leaked oil like a Rover.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on August 29, 2019, 09:53:38 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 29, 2019, 09:26:23 AM
It leaked oil like a Rover.   

It was a bit finicky.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 29, 2019, 10:51:53 AM
I had a 2001 STS for 2 years, zero issues. It was a terrific car and smooth highway cruiser.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on August 29, 2019, 11:26:04 AM
I can't imagine driving this new corvette and saying "you know what? I want to spend another $30k+ to get the Z06 version instead".  The base is going to hit 60 in under 3 seconds...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 29, 2019, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: MrH on August 29, 2019, 11:26:04 AM
I can't imagine driving this new corvette and saying "you know what? I want to spend another $30k+ to get the Z06 version instead".  The base is going to hit 60 in under 3 seconds...

That's how I feel, but I won't be mad at a direct Aventador/McLaren competitor for less than a quarter the price.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 29, 2019, 11:34:05 AM
Quote from: MrH on August 29, 2019, 11:26:04 AM
I can't imagine driving this new corvette and saying "you know what? I want to spend another $30k+ to get the Z06 version instead".  The base is going to hit 60 in under 3 seconds...

Yeah, but then you're treated like a pleb at the next Corvette club meeting...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 29, 2019, 11:39:01 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 29, 2019, 11:34:05 AM
Yeah, but then you're treated like a pleb at the next Corvette club meeting...

If you feel the need to join one of those douche clubs, you deserve it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 29, 2019, 12:04:02 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on August 29, 2019, 11:39:01 AM
If you feel the need to join one of those douche clubs, you deserve it.

They won't let me in.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 29, 2019, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: MrH on August 29, 2019, 11:26:04 AM
I can't imagine driving this new corvette and saying "you know what? I want to spend another $30k+ to get the Z06 version instead".  The base is going to hit 60 in under 3 seconds...
HELL! I don't need the 5K Z51 package!  :cheers:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on August 30, 2019, 04:06:32 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on August 29, 2019, 12:41:50 PM
HELL! I don't need the 5K Z51 package!  :cheers:

Does Z51 not swap the all seasons for performance tires though?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on August 30, 2019, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on August 30, 2019, 04:06:32 PM
Does Z51 not swap the all seasons for performance tires though?

I'd rather have the all seasons. Staying on the road in different weather is more important to me than an extra 0.02g of lateral cornering force.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 30, 2019, 10:14:53 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on August 30, 2019, 04:06:32 PM
Does Z51 not swap the all seasons for performance tires though?
YUP!  :ohyeah:

Quote from: Rockraven on August 30, 2019, 04:21:50 PM
I'd rather have the all seasons. Staying on the road in different weather is more important to me than an extra 0.02g of lateral cornering force.
YUP!  :cheers:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 30, 2019, 10:19:07 PM
I'll take the a extra .02 G of grip. It could mean the difference between winning and losing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on August 31, 2019, 09:33:15 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 30, 2019, 10:19:07 PM
I'll take the a extra .02 G of grip. It could mean the difference between winning and losing.

Might make it harder for DUHKOTA to break traction under hard acceleration.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 31, 2019, 09:35:04 AM
Quote from: Submariner on August 31, 2019, 09:33:15 AM
Might make it harder for DUHKOTA to break traction under hard acceleration.

This is a serious problem. It is always spinnning the wheels, even in fifth gear.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on August 31, 2019, 08:43:40 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 31, 2019, 09:35:04 AM
This is a serious problem. It is always spinnning the wheels, even in fifth gear.

Lots of oil leaks?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on August 31, 2019, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: r0tor on August 31, 2019, 08:43:40 PM
Lots of oil leaks?

No leaks. Just raw, unbridled power.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on September 01, 2019, 10:06:53 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 27, 2019, 05:42:33 AM
I still wanna see how the GS looks... base car just looks a little slab sided, they held back

The base car looks slab sided?

Slab sided?

Where?

(https://the-drive-3.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.thedrive.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F08%2F2020-Chevrolet-Corvette-Stingray-056-e1565876242575.jpg%3Fquality%3D85?w=1440&auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=js-1.4.1&s=7d2d684e6753b280fcbd4dd5e65cf349)

Please point at the slab. 

The side profile of this car can hardly get busier than it already is.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 01, 2019, 12:40:45 PM
Quote from: Raza  on September 01, 2019, 10:06:53 AM
The base car looks slab sided?

Slab sided?

Where?

(https://the-drive-3.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.thedrive.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F08%2F2020-Chevrolet-Corvette-Stingray-056-e1565876242575.jpg%3Fquality%3D85?w=1440&auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=js-1.4.1&s=7d2d684e6753b280fcbd4dd5e65cf349)

Please point at the slab. 

The side profile of this car can hardly get busier than it already is.

Lol yeah. Was trying to figure that one out myself.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 01, 2019, 12:42:21 PM
I honestly can't tell it apart from a 1st gen xB.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on September 01, 2019, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 01, 2019, 12:42:21 PM
I honestly can't tell it apart from a 1st gen xB.

I was thinking Ford Transit, but yeah, I can see the xB.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 01, 2019, 04:01:56 PM
I got yo slabs right here...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 01, 2019, 06:29:53 PM
I don't know how else to put it. The back 1/3 of it + wheels look like a base Camaro.  There just seems to be a huge span of metal spanning from behind the doors to the back of the car

(https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/xqyiYj7J3qmUlF74MFbP9Q--~B/aD0xMzY1O3c9MjA0ODtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/car_and_driver_581/3f013d2e2ec8fb33c1dde89801e7f208)

Its competitors either have better proportions (by not having a trunk, which I guess is unavoidable), or by being smarter about design with stuff like black roof pillars, lower shoulder lines and more curved corners to mask the car's length.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/2011_Ferrari_458_Italia_DCT_S-A_4.5_Front.jpg)
(https://blog.dupontregistry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Mclaren-600LT-Orange-Feature.jpg)
(https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/780/520/cms/content/articles/oversteer/2017/11-nov/11-09/270741.jpg)

The more I see the base C8 the less I like it and I'm just hoping the GS/Zwhatever remedies what I don't like.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on September 01, 2019, 07:15:44 PM
The 720 does nothing for me
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on September 01, 2019, 07:19:21 PM
Still not seeing slab sided.  High-waisted, maybe, but that's not the same as slab sided.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 02, 2019, 05:02:23 AM
It needs more glass and less rear overhang.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on September 02, 2019, 07:02:39 AM
I see what you're saying, but I think "slab" is the wrong word.  But anyways.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on September 02, 2019, 07:44:15 AM
The McLarens have just as much, if not more, rear overhang as the C8 when viewed in profile.  And a hell of a lot more front overhang.  The bigger question is, what is the detriment of having a bit of rear overhang?

(https://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2019/07/2020-Chevrolet-Corvette-5.jpg)
(https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/ca0818/ca0818-336736/images/02-1531917043745.jpg?1534869435000)
(https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/ca0819/ca0819-381028/images/02-1559051625249.jpg?1565885462000)

The Vette does look to have a higher beltline and less glass, particularly near the A pillars.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 02, 2019, 08:39:16 AM
None. There is, however, detriment to increasing the wheelbase just to push the wheels further out to the corners.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on September 02, 2019, 10:06:23 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 01, 2019, 06:29:53 PM
I don't know how else to put it. The back 1/3 of it + wheels look like a base Camaro.  There just seems to be a huge span of metal spanning from behind the doors to the back of the car

(https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/xqyiYj7J3qmUlF74MFbP9Q--~B/aD0xMzY1O3c9MjA0ODtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/car_and_driver_581/3f013d2e2ec8fb33c1dde89801e7f208)

Its competitors either have better proportions (by not having a trunk, which I guess is unavoidable), or by being smarter about design with stuff like black roof pillars, lower shoulder lines and more curved corners to mask the car's length.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/2011_Ferrari_458_Italia_DCT_S-A_4.5_Front.jpg)
(https://blog.dupontregistry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Mclaren-600LT-Orange-Feature.jpg)
(https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/780/520/cms/content/articles/oversteer/2017/11-nov/11-09/270741.jpg)

The more I see the base C8 the less I like it and I'm just hoping the GS/Zwhatever remedies what I don't like.

I honestly do not see what you're trying to show me.  Although it's shocking how much better looking the Corvette is than the Ferrari.

By comparison, this is a Camaro:
(https://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2016/11/2017-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-1LE-side-profile.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 02, 2019, 10:06:55 AM
I can see that the rear fenderline is high on the 'Vette, but it also has a useful trunk.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 02, 2019, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 02, 2019, 07:44:15 AM
The McLarens have just as much, if not more, rear overhang as the C8 when viewed in profile.  And a hell of a lot more front overhang.  The bigger question is, what is the detriment of having a bit of rear overhang?
I guess it's not the overhang, but the way it's curved. In the front 3/4 view the bumpers of the Ferraris/McLarens basically disappear. Not the case with the Vette. They also minimize the visual mass of the greenhouse better. So they prob are every bit as big as the Vette, but they def don't look it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: ChrisV on September 04, 2019, 07:11:44 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 02, 2019, 03:29:01 PM
I guess it's not the overhang, but the way it's curved. In the front 3/4 view the bumpers of the Ferraris/McLarens basically disappear. Not the case with the Vette. They also minimize the visual mass of the greenhouse better. So they prob are every bit as big as the Vette, but they def don't look it.

You need lasik, don't you? The rear of the Corvette looks nothing like a Camaro, the overhangs are short, and the proportions are spot on, without being a clone of any other mid engine car.

And you really need to get over the overhang stuff. Yes, some cars (like Minis) have no overhang, but real sports cars and most of the most beautiful/purposeful cars ever made have overhang.

(https://the-drive-3.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.thedrive.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F07%2Fa-f40-1920.jpg%3Fquality%3D85?w=1440&auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=js-1.4.1&s=37097f67a8fb44c776270575f5fe1dd0)

(https://www.sportscarmarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/2003-ferrari-enzo-front.jpg)

(https://cdn.dealeraccelerate.com/gkm/1/630/74380/790x1024/1965-buick-riviera)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2019, 08:12:51 AM
Asks if I need Lasik, compares a C8 to an F40 lol. Never change dude
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on September 04, 2019, 08:15:13 AM
Alright, now I'm questioning your reading comprehension :confused:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 04, 2019, 08:26:06 AM
Omigawd, he also said the C8 is exactly like a '66 Buick Riviera!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 04, 2019, 08:26:52 AM
I get his point about overhangs; but in all honesty, neither the Enzo nor the F40 are particularly good looking Ferraris.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2019, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: MrH on September 04, 2019, 08:15:13 AM
Alright, now I'm questioning your reading comprehension :confused:
You aren't doing anything.

The F40 having overhang doesn't make the C8's rear half any less ugly.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on September 04, 2019, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2019, 08:49:27 AM
You aren't doing anything.

The F40 having overhang doesn't make the C8's rear half any less ugly.

He didn't compare the cars at all.  He just said a lot of sports cars that he thinks are good looking have big overhangs.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2019, 10:36:13 AM
Quote from: MrH on September 04, 2019, 08:54:51 AM
He didn't compare the cars at all.  He just said a lot of sports cars that he thinks are good looking have big overhangs.
Again car A's beautiful overhang doesn't make car B's ugly overhang any better.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: NomisR on September 04, 2019, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2019, 10:36:13 AM
Again car A's beautiful overhang doesn't make car B's ugly overhang any better.

Or the fact that...

Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 04, 2019, 08:26:52 AM
but in all honesty, neither the Enzo nor the F40 are particularly good looking Ferraris.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 04, 2019, 10:58:37 AM
It's September. Why aren't there any published road tests, or even first drives yet?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 04, 2019, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on September 04, 2019, 10:58:37 AM
It's September. Why aren't there any published road tests, or even first drives yet?

Cuz the C7 beats it. I assume.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2019, 11:59:12 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on September 04, 2019, 10:58:37 AM
It's September. Why aren't there any published road tests, or even first drives yet?
Production delays?

Do we even need to know how it drives though? I thought the specs were good enough.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 04, 2019, 12:15:09 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2019, 11:59:12 AM
Production delays?

Do we even need to know how it drives though? I thought the specs were good enough.

I know two people who have ordered theirs already, so I guess the answer there is "no."
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 04, 2019, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on September 04, 2019, 10:58:37 AM
It's September. Why aren't there any published road tests, or even first drives yet?
Regular Production doesn't start till December. All the cars we've seen are pre production units......
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on September 04, 2019, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on September 04, 2019, 02:09:04 PM
Regular Production doesn't start till December. All the cars we've seen are pre production units......

When has that stopped magazines from posting reviews or first impressions of pre-pros?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 04, 2019, 02:31:18 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 04, 2019, 02:10:09 PM
When has that stopped magazines from posting reviews or first impressions of pre-pros?
Never. But I don't GM has supplied any Pre Production cars to the magazines!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 04, 2019, 07:31:08 PM
Looks like MT has one that they're testing as we speak!
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2AJyrNFUAE/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 04, 2019, 08:11:07 PM
Nice interior vids......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyaVwZiUWbw
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CALL_911 on September 05, 2019, 12:05:28 PM
I could totally see myself buying a used one in a few years. I love it
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 05, 2019, 01:33:48 PM
Its a lot of "new" for a first year car; especially for one made by GM.

That would be the only caveat I would have.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 05, 2019, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on September 05, 2019, 12:05:28 PM
I could totally see myself buying a used one in a few years. I love it
I WILL be buying one. Might put off my C7 purchase until these get into my comfort zone!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 05, 2019, 03:12:21 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 05, 2019, 01:33:48 PM
Its a lot of "new" for a first year car; especially for one made by GM.

That would be the only caveat I would have.
The only thing that's really "new" is the Tranny and Axle Lift. Everything else GM has done in other vehicles already.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 05, 2019, 03:51:55 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on September 05, 2019, 03:12:21 PM
The only thing that's really "new" is the Tranny and Axle Lift. Everything else GM has done in other vehicles already.

They've been able to screw up struts and window switches on first year vehicles.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 05, 2019, 09:27:06 PM
Aaaaannnd, brother ordered one. Same colours as his '19 Z06. April delivery.

3LT, Z51.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on September 06, 2019, 08:30:22 AM
NICE!  What color is that exactly?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 06, 2019, 08:51:09 AM
Quote from: MrH on September 06, 2019, 08:30:22 AM
NICE!  What color is that exactly?

Blade Silver Metallic, red interior.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on September 06, 2019, 10:10:49 AM
Is he giving his old, inferior Z06 away?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 06, 2019, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: MrH on September 06, 2019, 10:10:49 AM
Is he giving his old, inferior Z06 away?

Nope. He'll have a matched set.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on September 06, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Is your brother Bill Murray?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 06, 2019, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: Submariner on September 06, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
Is your brother Bill Murray?

Lol, I don't see the resemblance. But he's a good guy.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2019, 11:47:47 AM
Your brother or Bill Murray???
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 12, 2019, 02:53:03 PM
C8 will have a Burn Out Mode.....  :confused:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/how-to-use-launch-control-burnout-mode-2020-c8-corvette-video
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 12, 2019, 03:06:17 PM
Countdown to major transmission problems begins....


Now.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2019, 04:10:20 PM
Silly GM... 12 year olds don't buy cars
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 12, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2019, 04:10:20 PM
Silly GM... 12 year olds don't buy cars
I don't mind the Factory LIne Locks on the Mustangs and Camaros. Seems silly on a this tho!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 12, 2019, 04:20:39 PM
I don't see the problem. Everything is just software now. You could program it to do automated donuts or reverse 180s.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 12, 2019, 04:26:13 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 12, 2019, 04:20:39 PM
I don't see the problem. Everything is just software now. You could program it to do automated donuts or reverse 180s.

LOL. Like the "360" and "barrel roll" buttons on drones.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 12, 2019, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 12, 2019, 04:26:13 PM
LOL. Like the "360" and "barrel roll" buttons on drones.

They have those now? I need to get into droning. :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 02, 2019, 08:02:53 PM
Drop Top.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vqnNJ6J1dY

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29342131/mid-engine-chevy-corvette-convertible/

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on October 03, 2019, 04:14:12 AM
Pretty slick. I love that you can power the rear window down with the top up or down.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 03, 2019, 06:08:20 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 03, 2019, 04:14:12 AM
Pretty slick. I love that you can power the rear window down with the top up or down.
YUP! It looks damn good But I'm just gonna get the Targa! I'll get 90% of the open air experience and keep the see through engine cover.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 03, 2019, 09:15:22 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on October 03, 2019, 06:08:20 AM
YUP! It looks damn good But I'm just gonna get the Targa! I'll get 90% of the open air experience and keep the see through engine cover.
Have you put your order in yet?

Sharp looking Chevy.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 03, 2019, 10:27:35 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on October 03, 2019, 06:08:20 AM
YUP! It looks damn good But I'm just gonna get the Targa! I'll get 90% of the open air experience and keep the see through engine cover.

+1
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on October 03, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
I'm a little skeptical, but I read the waiting time is up to 3 years now. But would that mean all the cars coming to dealers are presold? Wouldn't Bowling Green just add another shift? I mean shit, if you could sell 100,000 'Vettes a year wouldn't they accommodate that?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 03, 2019, 10:32:12 AM
Yeah that's def not true
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on October 03, 2019, 10:58:09 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 03, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
I'm a little skeptical, but I read the waiting time is up to 3 years now. But would that mean all the cars coming to dealers are presold? Wouldn't Bowling Green just add another shift? I mean shit, if you could sell 100,000 'Vettes a year wouldn't they accommodate that?

They're already running 3 shifts :huh:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on October 03, 2019, 11:05:36 AM
Are there any major manufacturing plants, especially automotive, that aren't running 24/7?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on October 03, 2019, 11:16:11 AM
Quote from: MrH on October 03, 2019, 10:58:09 AM
They're already running 3 shifts :huh:

Duh, yeah. I guess there's a finite amount of capacity.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on October 03, 2019, 11:17:57 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 03, 2019, 11:16:11 AM
Duh, yeah. I guess there's a finite amount of capacity.

Its not just that.  This is a sports car and all demand almost always comes from the first couple years, after that it dies down considerably.  No point in adding capacity/shifts/$$ when you will just have to get rid of it next year as demand wanes.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 03, 2019, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 03, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
I'm a little skeptical, but I read the waiting time is up to 3 years now. But would that mean all the cars coming to dealers are presold? Wouldn't Bowling Green just add another shift? I mean shit, if you could sell 100,000 'Vettes a year wouldn't they accommodate that?

I'm totally skeptical too; probably some PR shins.

Planning for peak capacity is part-n-parcel of manufacturing operations, and the auto industry has been doing so for many years. Looking back the last ~20 years, peak sales/year were ~35,000, maybe add in a bit for the hype. There's no way 120,000+ Corvettes have been ordered/presold.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on October 03, 2019, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 03, 2019, 11:05:36 AM
Are there any major manufacturing plants, especially automotive, that aren't running 24/7?

Yeah, some.  When demand totally falls off a cliff, they'll cut shifts.  Lordstown was running 2 and then 1 shift for quite awhile.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on October 03, 2019, 12:39:57 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 03, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
I'm a little skeptical, but I read the waiting time is up to 3 years now. But would that mean all the cars coming to dealers are presold? Wouldn't Bowling Green just add another shift? I mean shit, if you could sell 100,000 'Vettes a year wouldn't they accommodate that?

Can they make any Corvettes right now?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on October 03, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
They're doing production trial builds right now I believe.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 03, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 03, 2019, 11:05:36 AM
Are there any major manufacturing plants, especially automotive, that aren't running 24/7?
I was gonna say any GM plant that's not building anything Silverado adjacent

But right now, all of them :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on October 03, 2019, 02:03:58 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 03, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
I was gonna say any GM plant that's not building anything Silverado adjacent

But right now, all of them :lol:

That is actually a good point. I wonder how the strike will screw up their preparation.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 03, 2019, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 03, 2019, 09:15:22 AM
Have you put your order in yet?

Sharp looking Chevy.
Nope! I was planning on a C7 Z06 but those ('15-'16) are in spitting distance of a base C8! I want to make a move by summer tho! If the C8 kills the resale on Z06s I might grab one of those for a couple years! But as of now I really leaning towards skipping the C7 and getting a slightly used C8.

Quote from: Submariner on October 03, 2019, 12:39:57 PM
Can they make any Corvettes right now?


I just saw that GM is not taking orders on ANY cars as we speak! I'm thinking they figure the Walk Out will be over in time to start building C8s! They're cutting it close tho!!!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 03, 2019, 03:52:37 PM
Maybe that's why someone said the first 3 years of production are already pre-ordered. Because they assume the strike will reduce production to 3 cars. :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 04, 2019, 06:29:11 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 03, 2019, 03:52:37 PM
Maybe that's why someone said the first 3 years of production are already pre-ordered. Because they assume the strike will reduce production to 3 cars. :lol:
:cheers:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 10, 2019, 11:36:48 PM
C8R confirmed to have a 5.5L flat plane DOHC V8. Around 500 hp depending on BOP. It'll have to be in a road car. Wouldn't be surprised if the road version is 6.2L or 7.0L with 600+ hp and then they supercharge it for 700 hp.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 11, 2019, 05:26:22 AM
Wonder what it's gonna be based on. Blackwing is too small. DOHC heads on the LT is gonna prompt a Lotus Europa rear end

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CQox-XZG6QQ/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 11, 2019, 07:02:33 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 10, 2019, 11:36:48 PM
C8R confirmed to have a 5.5L flat plane DOHC V8. Around 500 hp depending on BOP. It'll have to be in a road car. Wouldn't be surprised if the road version is 6.2L or 7.0L with 600+ hp and then they supercharge it for 700 hp.
From what I've read the street car will have twin turbos.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 11, 2019, 05:26:22 AM
Wonder what it's gonna be based on. Blackwing is too small. DOHC heads on the LT is gonna prompt a Lotus Europa rear end

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CQox-XZG6QQ/maxresdefault.jpg)
The Corvette Team says the new motor is not based on the Blackwing but we shall see..........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on October 11, 2019, 07:28:26 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 10, 2019, 11:36:48 PM
C8R confirmed to have a 5.5L flat plane DOHC V8. Around 500 hp depending on BOP. It'll have to be in a road car. Wouldn't be surprised if the road version is 6.2L or 7.0L with 600+ hp and then they supercharge it for 700 hp.

:rockon:

Everyone watched Matt Farah's video of him driving the C8 and said he was short shifting.  Pooprods just don't rev very high, which is very counter intuitive to every other mid engine sports car.  I'd love for them to put a high revving DOHC in it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2019, 09:54:41 AM
Quote from: MrH on October 11, 2019, 07:28:26 AM
:rockon:

Everyone watched Matt Farah's video of him driving the C8 and said he was short shifting.  Pooprods just don't rev very high, which is very counter intuitive to every other mid engine sports car.  I'd love for them to put a high revving DOHC in it.

Everyone is shocked when I tell them I set the redline on my SBC all the way to 6500. :lol: That's what the cam and intake are designed to make power up to, though.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 11, 2019, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2019, 09:54:41 AM
Everyone is shocked when I tell them I set the redline on my SBC all the way to 6500. :lol: That's what the cam and intake are designed to make power up to, though.

How's it idle?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 11, 2019, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: MrH on October 11, 2019, 07:28:26 AM
:rockon:

Everyone watched Matt Farah's video of him driving the C8 and said he was short shifting.  Pooprods just don't rev very high, which is very counter intuitive to every other mid engine sports car.  I'd love for them to put a high revving DOHC in it.
That was short shifting even for a poop rod. He was upshifting like 4 times on a short straight. Something was up
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2019, 11:21:36 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 11, 2019, 10:12:33 AM
How's it idle?

Normal. It's a street engine.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 11, 2019, 11:23:21 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2019, 09:54:41 AM
Everyone is shocked when I tell them I set the redline on my SBC all the way to 6500. :lol: That's what the cam and intake are designed to make power up to, though.
How about the connecting rods? :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 11, 2019, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 10, 2019, 11:36:48 PM
C8R confirmed to have a 5.5L flat plane DOHC V8. Around 500 hp depending on BOP. It'll have to be in a road car. Wouldn't be surprised if the road version is 6.2L or 7.0L with 600+ hp and then they supercharge it for 700 hp.
Race car only, or will there be a street version?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on October 11, 2019, 11:36:33 AM
Some pictures here https://twitter.com/hoonable/status/1182665649664991232?s=21
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 11, 2019, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 11, 2019, 11:23:21 AM
How about the connecting rods? :lol:

They will let you know what the redline really is.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 11, 2019, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 11, 2019, 11:23:21 AM
How about the connecting rods? :lol:
Con rods are no problem in SBCs

It's the valvetrains you gotta watch out for.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2019, 12:08:30 PM
Valve float is just a built-in rev limiter.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 11, 2019, 12:10:20 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2019, 11:21:36 AM
Normal. It's a street engine.

"Street engine" can mean a lot of different things.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2019, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 11, 2019, 12:10:20 PM
"Street engine" can mean a lot of different things.

I run a normal brake booster without issues.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 11, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2019, 12:43:47 PM
I run a normal brake booster without issues.
I thought you had a 3/4 race cam with higher compression pistons and, hopefully, stouter bottom end.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 11, 2019, 01:09:42 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2019, 12:08:30 PM
Valve float is just a built-in rev limiter.
As is valve-to-piston contact :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on October 11, 2019, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 11, 2019, 10:57:07 AM
That was short shifting even for a poop rod. He was upshifting like 4 times on a short straight. Something was up

Yes, some shift testing by a journalist.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2019, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 11, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
I thought you had a 3/4 race cam with higher compression pistons and, hopefully, stouter bottom end.

Custom grind Erson roller cam to match the Dart heads and Edelbrock Performer RPM intake. Good stuff, but not a racing SBC with a single plane intake and crazy cam profile with no manifold vacuum and crappy idle.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 11, 2019, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2019, 01:49:03 PM
Custom grind Erson roller cam to match the Dart heads and Edelbrock Performer RPM intake. Good stuff, but not a racing SBC with a single plane intake and crazy cam profile with no manifold vacuum and crappy idle.
The crappy idle is what makes it sound special.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 11, 2019, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 11, 2019, 07:28:26 AM
:rockon:

Everyone watched Matt Farah's video of him driving the C8 and said he was short shifting.  Pooprods just don't rev very high, which is very counter intuitive to every other mid engine sports car.  I'd love for them to put a high revving DOHC in it.

He was short shifting.  I think he even put in his video description that he was short shifting because it was his sighting lap and the very first lap in the car, cold tires, etc... so he was taking it easy.

Modern SBCs will rev to 6500.  More for certain versions (like the LS7).  I don't think he was taking it past 4500.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 11, 2019, 11:36:52 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 11, 2019, 11:23:21 AM
How about the connecting rods? :lol:

There's a reason why it's common to use Chevy rods in a Ford Windsor ;).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 11, 2019, 11:59:38 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 11, 2019, 07:28:26 AM
:rockon:

Everyone watched Matt Farah's video of him driving the C8 and said he was short shifting.  Pooprods just don't rev very high, which is very counter intuitive to every other mid engine sports car.  I'd love for them to put a high revving DOHC in it.

The Ford Voodoo is sorta interesting but still can't outperform the ancient LS7, plus the Voodoo is bigger, heavier and more complex, because it was chasing revs. IMO you have to bump up to the $190k 911 GT3 RS to find a better N/A motor (and then we'll see how durable it is) than the GM LT2.

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 07:22:20 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 11, 2019, 11:36:52 PM
There's a reason why it's common to use Chevy rods in a Ford Windsor ;).
That'd be kinda silly. :nutty:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 07:29:13 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 11, 2019, 11:59:38 PM
The Ford Voodoo is sorta interesting but still can't outperform the ancient LS7, plus the Voodoo is bigger, heavier and more complex, because it was chasing revs. IMO you have to bump up to the $190k 911 GT3 RS to find a better N/A motor (and then we'll see how durable it is) than the GM LT2.
I'm glad that Corvette is developing a proper race engine.  Not sure if Ford will continue racing the GT, but it should be fun to see them compete against each other on a more equal footing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 12, 2019, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 07:22:20 AM
That'd be kinda silly. :nutty:

No, not really. I mean, one wouldn't to it just because (most Ford blocks are too short for the longer Chevy rod), but using Chevy rods (or, Chevy-design) is a common thing for Ford stroker kits. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2019, 12:24:02 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 11, 2019, 11:59:38 PM
The Ford Voodoo is sorta interesting but still can't outperform the ancient LS7, plus the Voodoo is bigger, heavier and more complex, because it was chasing revs. IMO you have to bump up to the $190k 911 GT3 RS to find a better N/A motor (and then we'll see how durable it is) than the GM LT2.
Sure, from a pure, bench racing, engineering brief POV the SBC is superior.

But in real life, 8K+ RPMS >>>> much of what the SBC FR cars have to offer.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2019, 12:40:20 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2019, 12:24:02 PM
Sure, from a pure, bench racing, engineering brief POV the SBC is superior.

But in real life, 8K+ RPMS >>>> much of what the SBC FR cars have to offer.

Get yourself a Lingenfelter destroked LS7 and enjoyed 8200 rpms all day long.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2019, 12:40:20 PM
Get yourself a Lingenfelter destroked LS7 and enjoyed 8200 rpms all day long.
Or just get a GT350 :huh:.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 12, 2019, 02:29:48 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2019, 12:40:20 PM
Get yourself a Lingenfelter destroked LS7 and enjoyed 8200 rpms all day long.

Or, maybe just pursue performance (i.e., size, weight, simplicity, power band) rather than qualitative nonsensical metrics (like RPM).

The Ford Voodoo would've been really something had Ford invested in chasing said performance (i.e., powerband, likely via VVL) rather than RPM.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 12, 2019, 02:29:48 PM
Or, maybe just pursue performance (i.e., size, weight, simplicity, power band) rather than qualitative nonsensical metrics (like RPM).

The Ford Voodoo would've been really something had Ford invested in chasing said performance (i.e., powerband, likely via VVL) rather than RPM.
You do realize that RPM is where power is, all else being equal, providing you can get there.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 12, 2019, 04:59:00 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 02:53:39 PM
You do realize that RPM is where power is, all else being equal, providing you can get there.

Only if you can breath at that RPM.  And breathing at that RPM with a fixed cam profile compromises power elsewhere in the RPM band.  High lift is no bueno at lower RPM.  It's why a regular Mustang GT will actually walk a GT350 in a top gear roll-on, despite the 350 having a slightly shorter effective gear ratio.

The Voodoo is a special motor, but Cougs is right.  It's compromised.  It sacrifices low and to some degree midrange power for top end.  With VVL, it would have been more than special.  It would have had power everywhere in the band.  Low end grunt, midrange punch, and top end.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 12, 2019, 04:59:00 PM
Only if you can breath at that RPM.  And breathing at that RPM with a fixed cam profile compromises power elsewhere in the RPM band.  High lift is no bueno at lower RPM.  It's why a regular Mustang GT will actually walk a GT350 in a top gear roll-on, despite the 350 having a slightly shorter effective gear ratio.

The Voodoo is a special motor, but Cougs is right.  It's compromised.  It sacrifices low and to some degree midrange power for top end.  With VVL, it would have been more than special.  It would have had power everywhere in the band.  Low end grunt, midrange punch, and top end.
GT350s have, traditionally, been road racers vs stoplight racers.  Ford doesn't use VVL.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 12, 2019, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 05:51:29 PM
GT350s have, traditionally, been road racers vs stoplight racers.  Ford doesn't use VVL.

Hence why I pointed out not that the regular GT will beat it from a stoplight, but from a roll.  Since effectively all acceleration in a road-race scenario happens from a roll (e.g. accelerating out of a corner), breadth of powerband matters.  Voodoo sacrifices low end breathing for top end, and its powerband lacks breadth as a result.  It's a very old-school solution to big NA horsepower on a limited displacement.  The kind of approach you'd have seen 30+ years ago.

Why Ford (and the rest of the Detroit automakers) seems so afraid of VVL is beyond me.  Every other major auto manufacturer has a VVL system in their parts bin.  A Voodoo fitted with a VVL system like BMW's Valvetronic would have been beyond epic.  8300 RPM and a torque curve that was a plateau from 2500 RPM to 7000 RPM.

But with everyone going to turbochargers and ultimately aiming for electrification, probably not much point investing in it at this point.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2019, 06:10:32 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 12, 2019, 02:29:48 PM
Or, maybe just pursue performance (i.e., size, weight, simplicity, power band) rather than qualitative nonsensical metrics (like RPM).
Yes, god forbid manufacturers actually focus on making performance cars enjoyable to drive. :rolleyes: If all that matters is performance, why bother with either? A Model 3 Performance will consistently wipe the floor with any ICE car in its price range plus 20%, at least in a straight line, and with ease. Its 2 motors are even smaller and simpler than the SBC. Tesla wins :praise:

And an engine is only one of many components in a car. The SBC is prob 20% smaller + lighter than the Coyote/Voodoo, yet the Rustang has a much lower cowl height, more practical interior/trunk and generally lower curb weights. I'd wager that's why it generally beats the Camaro in head to heads by people who have actually driven them, as well as in sales. Despite costing the same and (barely) outperforming the GT350, the ZL1 is not the performance car measuring stick in its segment; the GT350R is. So you're missing something in your assessment.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 06:11:33 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 12, 2019, 06:01:03 PM
Hence why I pointed out not that the regular GT will beat it from a stoplight, but from a roll.  Since effectively all acceleration in a road-race scenario happens from a roll (e.g. accelerating out of a corner), breadth of powerband matters.  Voodoo sacrifices low end breathing for top end, and its powerband lacks breadth as a result.  It's a very old-school solution to big NA horsepower on a limited displacement.  The kind of approach you'd have seen 30+ years ago.

Why Ford (and the rest of the Detroit automakers) seems so afraid of VVL is beyond me.  Every other major auto manufacturer has a VVL system in their parts bin.  A Voodoo fitted with a VVL system like BMW's Valvetronic would have been beyond epic.  8300 RPM and a torque curve that was a plateau from 2500 RPM to 7000 RPM.

But with everyone going to turbochargers and ultimately aiming for electrification, probably not much point investing in it at this point.
Investment was likely a key.  Since Ford had developed  VVT, it covered a range of breathing and emissions concerns at a lesser cost than a more complex system which incorporates both VVL an VVT.  The more advanced Ti-VCT, used in the Voodoo engine helps a bit more.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 12, 2019, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 06:11:33 PM
Investment was likely a key.  Since Ford had developed  VVT, it covered a range of breathing and emissions concerns at a lesser cost than a more complex system which incorporates both VVL an VVT.  The more advanced Ti-VCT, used in the Voodoo engine helps a bit more.

Cam phasing (VVT) has been around for ages.  Patents for it have been around since the 1920s.  It's been used in production automobiles since 1980.  Ford was using it in the 90s (and they were pretty late to the party).  It also can only do so much to broaden the powerband and optimize breathing.  At the end of the day, you need to be able to also adjust lift and duration to truly widen out the powerband.  Low RPMs prefer lower valve lift for optimal volumetric efficiency and power production.  One of the reasons why 2-valve motors actually work really well for low-RPM grunt.  Higher RPMs want higher lift cams for more valve area.  If you don't have VVL, you need to sacrifice power at one end to make power at the other.  You either have an engine that's a bit of a dog until it gets up to higher RPMs (think classic, high-output 2-stroke powerband that needs to be "on the pipe") or you get an engine that makes gobs of low end but then runs out of steam up top (most of your big-block pushrods).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 06:51:19 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 12, 2019, 06:27:09 PM
Cam phasing (VVT) has been around for ages.  Patents for it have been around since the 1920s.  It's been used in production automobiles since 1980.  Ford was using it in the 90s (and they were pretty late to the party).  It also can only do so much to broaden the powerband and optimize breathing.  At the end of the day, you need to be able to also adjust lift and duration to truly widen out the powerband.  Low RPMs prefer lower valve lift for optimal volumetric efficiency and power production.  One of the reasons why 2-valve motors actually work really well for low-RPM grunt.  Higher RPMs want higher lift cams for more valve area.  If you don't have VVL, you need to sacrifice power at one end to make power at the other.  You either have an engine that's a bit of a dog until it gets up to higher RPMs (think classic, high-output 2-stroke powerband that needs to be "on the pipe") or you get an engine that makes gobs of low end but then runs out of steam up top (most of your big-block pushrods).
If we consider steam engines, it does go back a long way.  Ford's version VCT was developed in the '90s and Ti-VCT came a bit later 2010s.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  Although the Voodoo is a great engine, it could've been better with additional technology.  For what it is, however, at it's price range, nobody's complaining that much.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2019, 11:04:39 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a29462701/2020-chevy-corvette-by-the-numbers/

Bravo GM :clap:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on October 15, 2019, 11:20:25 AM
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2020/2020-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-c8-first-test-review/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 15, 2019, 11:20:36 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2019, 11:04:39 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a29462701/2020-chevy-corvette-by-the-numbers/

Bravo GM :clap:
Ahh, they finally got it right. :ohyeah:

Anxious to see how the 'R' version does in competition.  Hopefully, they make a street version of the race car.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 15, 2019, 12:42:14 PM
It's interesting to see how not that much faster it is around a track... May the front engine vs mid engine vs rear engine debate live on
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2019, 12:42:14 PM
It's interesting to see how not that much faster it is around a track... May the front engine vs mid engine vs rear engine debate live on

According to C&D it's much, much easier to drive fast. C7 could probably match its laptimes but it's just too scary at the limit

I think the gap between the C7/C8 will grow with the special editions.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 15, 2019, 01:37:25 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 12, 2019, 02:53:39 PM
You do realize that RPM is where power is, all else being equal, providing you can get there.

Sure - the world's top motor sports - Top Fuel drag racing, F1, MotoGP - begin at 10,000 RPM ;).

But there's no sense in chasing RPM in and of itself, IMO.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 15, 2019, 01:41:01 PM
Jesus holy hell 0-60 in 2.8 sec and 11.1 sec 1/4 mile, and look at those passing times. It's probably a ringer car, but still, the production car isn't going to be super far off from that.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 15, 2019, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
According to C&D it's much, much easier to drive fast. C7 could probably match its laptimes but it's just too scary at the limit

I think the gap between the C7/C8 will grow with the special editions.

They say that, yet despite even having better tires its close to a wash.  The Vette has always been jittery from chassis flex but front engine cars are more forgivable when you overcook it so it's easier to push too far.  So now it's easier to drive fast in the C8, but is the mid engine death spin threat limiting them from pushing as hard and turning faster laps?

Is this a case where the C7 was at 10/10 but the C8 is pushed at 9/10
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 15, 2019, 01:46:00 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2019, 12:42:14 PM
It's interesting to see how not that much faster it is around a track... May the front engine vs mid engine vs rear engine debate live on

Official Ring times haven't been released, but it was hinted unofficially that it was a good 20-30 seconds faster than the C7.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2019, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2019, 01:42:18 PM
They say that, yet despite even having better tires its close to a wash.  The Vette has always been jittery from chassis flex but front engine cars are more forgivable when you overcook it so it's easier to push too far.  So now it's easier to drive fast in the C8, but is the mid engine death spin threat limiting them from pushing as hard and turning faster laps?

Is this a case where the C7 was at 10/10 but the C8 is pushed at 9/10
1 second over a 90 second lap. And overcooking a ~450HP RWD car is going to be an o shit moment no matter where the engine is. The new car has a much bigger tire stagger and a lot of understeer baked into the stock suspension tune. So if they pushed any car less it would have been the C7.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 15, 2019, 01:54:45 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2019, 12:42:14 PM
It's interesting to see how not that much faster it is around a track... May the front engine vs mid engine vs rear engine debate live on

Huh? The C8 is much more capable on a test track. C&D has a lap battle article. 1 second at those speeds on that track is ~122 feet per lab, so per the article, after but 6 laps, the C8 is more than two football fields ahead.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on October 15, 2019, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 15, 2019, 01:41:01 PM
Jesus holy hell 0-60 in 2.8 sec and 11.1 sec 1/4 mile, and look at those passing times. It's probably a ringer car, but still, the production car isn't going to be super far off from that.

C&D and M/T got identical times in different Z51 spec'd cars.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 15, 2019, 02:56:34 PM
C&D's complaints that it's not brash enough is weird. They finally like a Corvette interior and then ding it for being too refined.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on October 15, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2019, 01:42:18 PM
They say that, yet despite even having better tires its close to a wash.  The Vette has always been jittery from chassis flex but front engine cars are more forgivable when you overcook it so it's easier to push too far.  So now it's easier to drive fast in the C8, but is the mid engine death spin threat limiting them from pushing as hard and turning faster laps?

Is this a case where the C7 was at 10/10 but the C8 is pushed at 9/10

I'm not sure if the PS4S is actually any stickier than the PSS tires. I recently had the PSS on the G37 and just replaced them with PS4S as they are discontinuing the PSS in the G37's size, and the PSS was probably stickier and more aggressive at the limit, but the PS4S supposedly wears better and has better everyday manners (feels very similar around town). 

In addition I wouldn't be surprised if Chevy toned down the aggressiveness of the GM specific tire compounds for the new PS4s compared to the PSS for the C7s, as people experienced tire cracking in the PSS tires when moving C7s around at cold temperatures.  It is somewhat tolerated for Cup 2s for the Z06 and ZR1, but less okay for the supposedly street PSS tires for daily driver C7s.  It would explain the lower lateral G's achieved by the C8 compared to the C7.

That said, off the self, non GM OEM PSS like the one on my C5 Z06 and the G37 never experienced any cracking even down to very low temps (temps in the teens) in my experience.

I think part of the big complaints of the Z06 ZR1 C7s was their tail happy nature and inability to put their power down, while the C7 grand sport was the sweet spot in the C7 line-up.  I think GM this time shifted to optimize the chassis for the higher HP cars rather than the base cars.  Supposedly this new C8 structure feels extremely solid and stiff, and it can definitely put the power down.  Expect to see some ridiculous performance numbers with the higher HP versions.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 15, 2019, 03:00:00 PM
Quote from: 565 on October 15, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
I think GM this time shifted to optimize the chassis for the higher HP cars rather than the base cars.  Supposedly this new C8 structure feels extremely solid and stiff, and it can definitely put the power down.  Expect to see some ridiculous performance numbers with the higher HP versions.

That's what I'm thinking. Base C8 might not be a huge amount faster than the C7, but I bet the Z06/ZR1 are gonna be insanely quick.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 15, 2019, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2019, 01:48:51 PM
1 second over a 90 second lap. And overcooking a ~450HP RWD car is going to be an o shit moment no matter where the engine is. The new car has a much bigger tire stagger and a lot of understeer baked into the stock suspension tune. So if they pushed any car less it would have been the C7.

Don't forget about the different tires

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/m2/2017/2017-bmw-m2-review-long-term-update-4/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 15, 2019, 03:21:32 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 15, 2019, 01:37:25 PM
Sure - the world's top motor sports - Top Fuel drag racing, F1, MotoGP - begin at 10,000 RPM ;).

But there's no sense in chasing RPM in and of itself, IMO.
If you're going to track it occasionally it is.  Why get a GT350 otherwise.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 15, 2019, 03:35:41 PM
Quote from: 565 on October 15, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
I'm not sure if the PS4S is actually any stickier than the PSS tires. I recently had the PSS on the G37 and just replaced them with PS4S as they are discontinuing the PSS in the G37's size, and the PSS was probably stickier and more aggressive at the limit, but the PS4S supposedly wears better and has better everyday manners (feels very similar around town). 

In addition I wouldn't be surprised if Chevy toned down the aggressiveness of the GM specific tire compounds for the new PS4s compared to the PSS for the C7s, as people experienced tire cracking in the PSS tires when moving C7s around at cold temperatures.  It is somewhat tolerated for Cup 2s for the Z06 and ZR1, but less okay for the supposedly street PSS tires for daily driver C7s.  It would explain the lower lateral G's achieved by the C8 compared to the C7.

That said, off the self, non GM OEM PSS like the one on my C5 Z06 and the G37 never experienced any cracking even down to very low temps (temps in the teens) in my experience.

I think part of the big complaints of the Z06 ZR1 C7s was their tail happy nature and inability to put their power down, while the C7 grand sport was the sweet spot in the C7 line-up.  I think GM this time shifted to optimize the chassis for the higher HP cars rather than the base cars.  Supposedly this new C8 structure feels extremely solid and stiff, and it can definitely put the power down.  Expect to see some ridiculous performance numbers with the higher HP versions.


My understanding when I was looking into the PSS vs newer PS4S is that the dry performance is essentially the same, but the 4S has noticeably improved wet performance and longer wear/life.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on October 15, 2019, 04:22:33 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2019, 03:12:29 PM
Don't forget about the different tires

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/m2/2017/2017-bmw-m2-review-long-term-update-4/

Different days for those lap times so they are not comparable.  the PSS times were in 95+ degree weather so the M2 probably was way down on power that day.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/m2/2017/2017-bmw-m2-review-long-term-update-2/

The PS4S test was posted in Dec so temps were probably more reasonable.

The numbers don't lie. The PSS pulled the same .99Gs and the PSS was just barely faster in the figure 8 than the PS4S.  The PS4s aren't any better in the dry than the PSS. 
As someone that had PSS and PS4s on the same car, I can tell you the PS4s are no better than the PSS for dry performance.

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 15, 2019, 04:26:10 PM
Ps4s isn't better laterally - they are much better longitudinally (ie braking/acceleration) which is suspiciously where C&D notes the biggest C8 advantages
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 15, 2019, 04:27:58 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 15, 2019, 04:26:10 PM
Ps4s isn't better laterally - they are much better longitudinally (ie braking/acceleration) which is suspiciously where C&D notes the biggest C8 advantages

Except braking was worse than the C7 as recorded by both C&D and MT.  Might have been brake system calibration (ABS, and the C8 is brake-by-wire) rather than tire limited, though.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on October 15, 2019, 04:56:35 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2019, 11:04:39 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a29462701/2020-chevy-corvette-by-the-numbers/

Bravo GM :clap:


"But normal driving also is where the C8 gets tripped up by elevated expectations. More than a few of us were hoping for more character, more drama, and more personality when we weren't hammering it. Ferraris and Lamborghinis snarl at you like caged tigers even when you're just moseying through downtown. "

Actually, I would rate that as a positive that it does not pretend to be flying down the straight at Le mans if in stop and go traffic in LA.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2019, 07:15:22 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 15, 2019, 03:21:32 PM
If you're going to track it occasionally it is.  Why get a GT350 otherwise.
You can enjoy RPMs on the street
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on October 15, 2019, 07:24:53 PM
Corvettes have always been pretty tame at normal road speeds.  Those big American V8s don't have to work their asses off like the Ferraris and Lambos do to drive normally. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 15, 2019, 07:32:01 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2019, 07:15:22 PM
You can enjoy RPMs on the street
Yes you can, but by the time you're in second you're over most speed limits.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 15, 2019, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 15, 2019, 07:32:01 PM
Yes you can, but by the time you're in second you're over most speed limits.

Unless you're driving a 4 cylinder Dakota
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 15, 2019, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 15, 2019, 07:34:44 PM
Unless you're driving a 4 cylinder Dakota
Yes, I should've qualified that...if you're driving a GT350.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 15, 2019, 08:10:49 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 15, 2019, 07:32:01 PM
Yes you can, but by the time you're in second you're over most speed limits.

The El Camino is that way too.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on October 15, 2019, 08:13:57 PM
Less then a second doesn't seem that impressive considering it has the newer chassis, about 40 extra hp, better tires, and presumably a better transmission.  We'll see what the higher spec cars look like.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on October 15, 2019, 08:16:10 PM
That 0-60 time is insane. I guess going midengine was the only way to keep the Camaro from cannibalizing Corvette sales.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 15, 2019, 09:03:49 PM
Quote from: Xer0 on October 15, 2019, 08:13:57 PM
Less then a second doesn't seem that impressive considering it has the newer chassis, about 40 extra hp, better tires, and presumably a better transmission.  We'll see what the higher spec cars look like.

Except it doesn't have better tires (unless the track is wet).  It's also heavier, which offset most of that power increase.  Power to weight ratio is only 1.9% higher for the new car.  And while I'm sure the DSG is "better", the 8AT (which is what C&D's C7 was fitted with) was no slouch.

The brakes are also reportedly weaker.  Might be a calibration issue with the ABS sensitivity.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 15, 2019, 09:59:54 PM
Performance, smurformance. So it's fast. But the interior is ugly as hell.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on October 15, 2019, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 15, 2019, 09:03:49 PM
Except it doesn't have better tires (unless the track is wet).  It's also heavier, which offset most of that power increase.  Power to weight ratio is only 1.9% higher for the new car.  And while I'm sure the DSG is "better", the 8AT (which is what C&D's C7 was fitted with) was no slouch.

The brakes are also reportedly weaker.  Might be a calibration issue with the ABS sensitivity.

Nothing I've read says the PS4S is a worse tire than the PSS.  Plus, the C8 is running more tire at 305s vs 285s in the rear.  That the 8A is no slouch doesn't mean the DCT isn't better and worth precious time.

I kinda was expecting more.  We'll see what happens at LL2020.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on October 16, 2019, 04:22:51 AM
 M/T:

"Severe understeer will help prevent the overeager owners from pulling a Mustang exit at their local cars and coffee."

:lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 16, 2019, 05:02:28 AM
Quote from: Xer0 on October 15, 2019, 11:02:36 PM
Nothing I've read says the PS4S is a worse tire than the PSS.  Plus, the C8 is running more tire at 305s vs 285s in the rear.  That the 8A is no slouch doesn't mean the DCT isn't better and worth precious time.

I kinda was expecting more.  We'll see what happens at LL2020.

P4S isn't worse, but it doesn't provide more dry grip either.  PSS vs P4S on dry pavement is a wash.  And more tire on the rear doesn't necessarily mean more corner grip.  The fronts are the same width.  Too much tire at the rear can lend to an understeery setup, hurting balance.

The difference between shift times in a DCT and an MT are huge, which is where a lot of the performance gains come from.  An MT typically takes about 500 ms to shift.  A DSG will be closer to 100-150 ms (some as quick as 60, but most are between 100 and 150).  A good AT can be as quick as a DSG, and the 8AT in the C7 was benchmarked against Porsche's PDK and actually shift more quickly.  So shift times probably aren't meaningfully different between the two gearboxes.  There may, in fact, be no difference in shift time, and therefore no measurable performance advantage.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 16, 2019, 05:24:52 AM
Quote from: Xer0 on October 15, 2019, 08:13:57 PM
Less then a second doesn't seem that impressive considering it has the newer chassis, about 40 extra hp, better tires, and presumably a better transmission.  We'll see what the higher spec cars look like.
You are looking at the change the wrong way. It's 25% faster to 60, which is a shitload given the minimal changes made.  It's like if a truck goes from 12MPG to 18MPG. "Thats only 6MPG, what's the big deal"... bro that's a 50% improvement, that's huge. And in the context of performance cars, it's a rocket.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 16, 2019, 05:55:47 AM
Quote from: MX793 on October 16, 2019, 05:02:28 AM
P4S isn't worse, but it doesn't provide more dry grip either.  PSS vs P4S on dry pavement is a wash.  And more tire on the rear doesn't necessarily mean more corner grip.  The fronts are the same width.  Too much tire at the rear can lend to an understeery setup, hurting balance.



Every comparison I have seen points to the Ps4s putting up better stopping and acceleration numbers.  Lateral grip is about the same but longitudinal is significantly improved.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on October 16, 2019, 07:41:24 AM
I just hope this kicks off a new era of mid engine cars.  Bring back the MR2!  Next gen S2000, make it midengine!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on October 16, 2019, 08:07:16 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 16, 2019, 05:24:52 AM
You are looking at the change the wrong way. It's 25% faster to 60, which is a shitload given the minimal changes made.  It's like if a truck goes from 12MPG to 18MPG. "Thats only 6MPG, what's the big deal"... bro that's a 50% improvement, that's huge. And in the context of performance cars, it's a rocket.

Its 25% faster to 60 but only 1% faster on track?  This isn't helping your argument.

Quote from: MX793 on October 16, 2019, 05:02:28 AM
P4S isn't worse, but it doesn't provide more dry grip either.  PSS vs P4S on dry pavement is a wash.  And more tire on the rear doesn't necessarily mean more corner grip.  The fronts are the same width.  Too much tire at the rear can lend to an understeery setup, hurting balance.

The difference between shift times in a DCT and an MT are huge, which is where a lot of the performance gains come from.  An MT typically takes about 500 ms to shift.  A DSG will be closer to 100-150 ms (some as quick as 60, but most are between 100 and 150).  A good AT can be as quick as a DSG, and the 8AT in the C7 was benchmarked against Porsche's PDK and actually shift more quickly.  So shift times probably aren't meaningfully different between the two gearboxes.  There may, in fact, be no difference in shift time, and therefore no measurable performance advantage.

This is a car that's heavier, more powerful, and has more weight on the rear in general.  I doubt GM would put more rubber on there to dull the car and 305s is what Porsche is running in its 911s so while more rubber can make your car a bit of mess this isn't the same as a kid putting 245s on the front of his base Civic.  Also, the track article mentioned how the car was secure and planted, going so far as to say its boring (car reviewers are never happy man) while the C7 was twitchy.  Maybe the C7 needed more tire in the rear to keep it in check  :huh:

As for the DCT vs 8A, even assuming the 8A is a decent transmission, the DCT would presumably be better since its a newer design and there would be no point in it if it didn't provide some improvement.  Its worth time on a track and all of these add up.

The C8 accelerated faster, hit faster top speeds, and braked later into turns but it couldn't really shake the C7.  Z51 to Z51 just doesn't seem like that big of an improvement from a pure performance standpoint, and this was a track that looked to favor higher hp cars anyway.  We'll see when they take it to Lightning Lap next year how it does and how it compares, but right now the big performance improvement of this new chassis might just be at the higher spec Z06/ZR1 cars.

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 16, 2019, 08:46:21 AM
Quote from: Xer0 on October 16, 2019, 08:07:16 AM
Its 25% faster to 60 but only 1% faster on track?  This isn't helping your argument.

This is a car that's heavier, more powerful, and has more weight on the rear in general.  I doubt GM would put more rubber on there to dull the car and 305s is what Porsche is running in its 911s so while more rubber can make your car a bit of mess this isn't the same as a kid putting 245s on the front of his base Civic.  Also, the track article mentioned how the car was secure and planted, going so far as to say its boring (car reviewers are never happy man) while the C7 was twitchy.  Maybe the C7 needed more tire in the rear to keep it in check  :huh:

As for the DCT vs 8A, even assuming the 8A is a decent transmission, the DCT would presumably be better since its a newer design and there would be no point in it if it didn't provide some improvement.  Its worth time on a track and all of these add up.

The C8 accelerated faster, hit faster top speeds, and braked later into turns but it couldn't really shake the C7.  Z51 to Z51 just doesn't seem like that big of an improvement from a pure performance standpoint, and this was a track that looked to favor higher hp cars anyway.  We'll see when they take it to Lightning Lap next year how it does and how it compares, but right now the big performance improvement of this new chassis might just be at the higher spec Z06/ZR1 cars.



MT noted that the car understeers heavily at the limit.  I'm sure the father rear tires contribute and that trait was intentional since mid-engine cars tend to be prone to snap oversteer otherwise.

As to DCT vs 8AT, the advantage of a DCT vs a fast shifting AT is not quantifiable in singular lap times or drag strip runs.  The advantage is in sustained performance.
One big advantage of a DCT is heat.  ATs generate more heat, which can be a problem in sustained lapping because the trans can overheat unless you carry a bunch of extra coolers.  The advantage of the DCT is much the same as oversized brake rotors.  If you have enough brake power to lock the tires, a bigger rotor won't help you stop any faster.  It will, however, handle harder sustained use before overheating.  Hence why many performance packs include bigger rotors as an upgrade.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 16, 2019, 09:47:44 AM
I think the fact that the base C8 isn't much faster than the C7 is more of a testament to how well they engineered the FR C7, not that they screwed up with the MR C8.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 16, 2019, 10:07:01 AM
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2020/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/

I think it's telling that the Vette is new and has room for a bit more improvement in future years/models.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 16, 2019, 10:07:43 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 16, 2019, 09:47:44 AM
I think the fact that the base C8 isn't much faster than the C7 is more of a testament to how well they engineered the FR C7, not that they screwed up with the MR C8.

This... It's a maxed out platform vs one that's still in development
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 16, 2019, 10:20:22 AM
Quote from: Xer0 on October 16, 2019, 08:07:16 AM
Its 25% faster to 60 but only 1% faster on track?  This isn't helping your argument.
I thought you were talking about 0-60 times. But yea 1 second over a ~90s lap is still pretty big considering how evenly matched the cars are in spec.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on October 16, 2019, 08:02:34 PM
Quote from: Xer0 on October 15, 2019, 11:02:36 PM
Nothing I've read says the PS4S is a worse tire than the PSS.

Actually people have noted the PS4S is a worse track tire than the OEM PSS in C7 Vettes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X18tjycJoqI

This guy went from OEM PSS to PS4S on his C7 and had significantly worse performance.

Its a discussion that comes up in the Vette forums.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-general-discussion/4200073-pilot-super-sport-vs-pilot-sport-4s.html

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-general-discussion/4018012-michelin-pilot-sport-4s-4.html

"It's actually a downgrade, and no ZP. Multiple folks have reported slower track times on the PS4S. I know there are tire site reviews out there saying PS4S is an improvement over the PSS, but those are reviews pertaining to many different types of vehicles and are not usually performance-oriented. It just so happens that the special version of the PSS ZP Michelin and GM engineered for the C7 works better in terms of handling and grip."

"I think others are seeing the opposite, AKA an advantage of the PSS ZP on race tracks. There was a detailed account here within the last couple of months where someone w/ significant track experience was reporting worse laps times on the PS4S."

"Any one else seeing less grip from the MP4S on the street compared to the stock MPSS's? Granted I only have about 300 miles on them since the install on my 14 Z51 but I'm getting the TC system kicking on around corners that really worn stock MPSS's had no problem with. Does it take about 1k miles for the tires to get broken in?"



The reason is that the C7 runs vette specific PSS compounds, that allows it to achieve 1.11gs while non Vette specific PSS tires don't achieve the same grip.  The trade off is that the same Vette specific PSS tires will crack at low temps while the regular PSS tires do not crack at these low temps.

GM often specifies special more aggressive compounds for their OEM tires, and this puts this prone to cracking.  There is a service bulletin for it, and you are not supposed to even move these cars under 20F.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10082862-5448.pdf

I'm not sure if the C8 also runs special aggressive compounds as well on the PS4s, however I would not be surprised if they decreased the compound aggressiveness to closer to a stock PS4S tire given the number of complaints that people had with the OEM PSS runflats cracking in the winter.

That, and the purposeful understeer would explain the reduced lateral G's pulled by the C8 compared to the C7.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 17, 2019, 06:24:24 AM
Umm "ZP" in Michelin land isn't some super secret compound - it's a "zero pressure" run flat

:confused:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on October 17, 2019, 06:57:52 AM
Quote from: r0tor on October 17, 2019, 06:24:24 AM
Umm "ZP" in Michelin land isn't some super secret compound - it's a "zero pressure" run flat

:confused:

What's your point?  A run-flat is going to have some sort of different construction than a non-RF, presumably affecting performance in some way.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 17, 2019, 07:39:46 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 17, 2019, 06:57:52 AM
What's your point?  A run-flat is going to have some sort of different construction than a non-RF, presumably affecting performance in some way.

The comments were surrounding "no ZP" and acting like it was some sort of performance advantage... When actually it's just the designation for run flat which in and of itself is a disadvantage.


There is some credible argument that GM was using an extremely softer than normal PSS compound for performance.  Mercedes actually used it in the GTR because it was much sticky (and worse in the rain) then what they or BMW/Porsche/ect was speccing from Michelin.

In the end its just down again to it being a car still in development.  They haven't gotten the snap oversteer under control so it's tuned to understeer, the new braking system still needs to be baked, and then they can focus more on smaller things like cheater compounds.  I'm sure over the next 10 years they will get there.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on October 17, 2019, 07:44:43 AM
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/m2/2017/2017-bmw-m2-review-long-term-update-4/

:huh:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 17, 2019, 09:27:36 AM
Quote from: MrH on October 17, 2019, 07:44:43 AM
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/m2/2017/2017-bmw-m2-review-long-term-update-4/

:huh:

If those were BMW PSS's and Chevy was using a slightly different compound, the comparison isn't super relevant.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on October 17, 2019, 09:56:32 AM
For a forum that always complains about how there's too much focus on numbers and not enough on experience, you guys sure are riled up over something very very minor :lol:

It's a better driving car, that's substantially faster off the line, looks better, and has more room to move up the performance ladder without being hampered by it's chassis layout.  And none of you are buying it anyways. Not sure why any of you are complaining. I welcome the new vette with open arms.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: afty on October 17, 2019, 10:59:12 AM
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2020/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Quote from: MrH on October 17, 2019, 09:56:32 AM
For a forum that always complains about how there's too much focus on numbers and not enough on experience, you guys sure are riled up over something very very minor :lol:

It's a better driving car, that's substantially faster off the line, looks better, and has more room to move up the performance ladder without being hampered by it's chassis layout.  And none of you are buying it anyways. Not sure why any of you are complaining. I welcome the new vette with open arms.
r0tor is a complainer :huh:

I agree, this is meaningless, nobody here is going from a C7 to a C8 as a track car, or anything for that matter.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 22, 2019, 04:48:17 AM
Apparently MT put their press car on a dyno and it made well over 500 hp at the wheels.  Ringer?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 22, 2019, 05:31:21 AM
Definitely ringer...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 22, 2019, 05:53:50 AM
That's what my gut says
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 22, 2019, 07:06:14 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 22, 2019, 05:53:50 AM
That's what my gut says

... and if that was the car C&D tested?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 22, 2019, 07:19:59 AM
Quote from: r0tor on October 22, 2019, 07:06:14 AM
... and if that was the car C&D tested?
My mortgage and other bills will still come next month :huh: It's of zero consequence to me.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 22, 2019, 07:20:53 AM
Quote from: r0tor on October 22, 2019, 07:06:14 AM
... and if that was the car C&D tested?

They had different cars (mfr plates were different, looked like different colors as well), though both recorded the same acceleration times.  C&D's car was most likely in the same state of tune.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on October 22, 2019, 09:55:28 AM
No comparison can be made from the dyno to the SAE number. It's not a ringer and doesn't make more power than advertised.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 22, 2019, 09:59:14 AM
It would be foolish for Chevy to supply a ringer these days with every hot rod shop in the country owning their own dyno.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 22, 2019, 10:25:34 AM
Quote from: Rich on October 22, 2019, 09:55:28 AM
No comparison can be made from the dyno to the SAE number. It's not a ringer and doesn't make more power than advertised.

Not necessarily true.  An inertial or brake chassis dyno can accurately measure how much power is applied directly to the dynamometer from the wheels of the car.  How much, precisely, is at the crankshaft is a matter of speculation since there will be friction losses, plus the inertia of the rotating components from the flywheel to the tires (in the case of an inertial dyno) that would need to be quantified.

What is certain, however, is that the amount of power put into the chassis dyno by the wheels must be less than what is at the crankshaft.  If a chassis dyno is reporting 50 more horsepower at the wheels than the engine is rated to at the crank, then the engine is making more than 50 hp above its factory rating at the crank.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 22, 2019, 10:29:34 AM
Didn't they say the HP number advertised was the minimum number "on a bad day"?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 22, 2019, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 22, 2019, 10:29:34 AM
Didn't they say the HP number advertised was the minimum number "on a bad day"?

IIRC, SAE certified ratings require you fall within a statistical range of the reported number.  I believe the reported number is a minimum value, but you also can't grossly under-report.  Unless there was something wrong with that dyno, based on the numbers reported, that car is making at least 20% more power than stated (I'm assuming only 5% driveline loss, which I'm sure is unreasonably low).  I don't recall the exact % variation SAE requires, but it's pretty small.  Like 5%.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 22, 2019, 01:22:04 PM
Chassis dynos are terrible for accuracy, because they don't measure power directly. The only way to do it is how they do it to get the SAE number (engine dyno, which measures power directly).

I have no doubt that each of this first batch of C8 press cars have been meticulously gone over but a ringer making 600 hp net would be unconscionable in that it would grossly skew buyer perception and would invite engine failures, which would be a PR catastrophe. Such an action would jeopardize the SAE certification as well.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: afty on October 22, 2019, 01:30:39 PM
The MT article has some possible explanations (https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-power-dyno/)

QuoteA couple of days later, engineers provide us two reasons for the discrepancy of power. The first one is that when the Corvette is cold, it actually produces more horsepower than when it's hot. But that doesn't make sense—we saw similar numbers after six runs, and the car was pretty hot by the end of the second run. The other explanation is that Chevrolet certifies most of its engines through the SAE, the Society of Automotive Engineers, which follows a strict set of rules and standards to determine the horsepower and torque ratings. In other words, the SAE acts as an independent party that's present during the engine tests and is the one who determines the final output ratings. Their testing does not involve a simple pull from idle to redline, either. Rather, rpm are slowly ramped up and allowed to stabilize before accelerating further. This process results in significantly more heat generation than any single pull from our six dyno runs. For that reason, the engineers say, it's not uncommon for single chassis dyno pulls to register higher output (and it is extremely unlikely any car will ever generate less than rated output). According to Chevy engineers, this is an expensive process, given that someone from the SAE has to be present, but the automaker has done this for years, and it's a procedure that it continues to follow with most of its engines in the U.S.

Chevy engineers also say that the drivetrain loss of a dual-clutch transmission, like the one in the Corvette, is less than 15 percent—but hesitated to give us an exact number (and even if it was zero loss, we still measured more wheel-horsepower than rated crank horsepower).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 22, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 22, 2019, 01:22:04 PM
Chassis dynos are terrible for accuracy, because they don't measure power directly. The only way to do it is how they do it to get the SAE number (engine dyno, which measures power directly).

I have no doubt that each of this first batch of C8 press cars have been meticulously gone over but a ringer making 600 hp net would be unconscionable in that it would grossly skew buyer perception and would invite engine failures, which would be a PR catastrophe. Such an action would jeopardize the SAE certification as well.


Chassis dynos cannot accurately measure crank horsepower.  They can accurately measure wheel horsepower.  If your chassis dyno says you are making more at the wheels than the rating at the crank, either the engine is under-rated or the dyno is broken.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 22, 2019, 02:04:15 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 22, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
Chassis dynos cannot accurately measure crank horsepower.  They can accurately measure wheel horsepower.  If your chassis dyno says you are making more at the wheels than the rating at the crank, either the engine is under-rated or the dyno is broken.

Chassis (inertial) dynos are terrible at accurately measuring wheel horsepower. Chassis dynos derive torque from acceleration, so if vehicle A has more drivetrain inertia than vehicle B, it will dyno lower than vehicle B, despite having identical wheel horsepower. As one can imagine, virtually no two vehicles have the same drivetrain inertia, and the dyno and/or operator has to account for vehicle-to-vehicle drivetrain inertia differences (and it/they don't). This is why absolute chassis dyno measurements rarely add up.

Chassis dyons are good a relative measurement however (i.e., fairly precise) for gauging changes on a particular vehicle (assessing the affect of tuning/mods).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on October 22, 2019, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 22, 2019, 02:04:15 PM
Chassis (inertial) dynos are terrible at accurately measuring wheel horsepower. Chassis dynos derive torque from acceleration, so if vehicle A has more drivetrain inertia than vehicle B, it will dyno lower than vehicle B, despite having identical wheel horsepower. As one can imagine, virtually no two vehicles have the same drivetrain inertia, and the dyno and/or operator has to account for vehicle-to-vehicle drivetrain inertia differences (and it/they don't). This is why absolute chassis dyno measurements rarely add up.

Chassis dyons are good a relative measurement however (i.e., fairly precise) for gauging changes on a particular vehicle (assessing the affect of tuning/mods).

I imagine that aftermarket companies that make cold air intakes, chips, turbos, etc use this to advertise that their product adds more hp than it actually does. When they dyno the car with their chip and it shows 595 hp, they can claim ZOMG IT ADDS 100 HORSEPOWER! over the SAE rated 495 hp. But if you actually dyno'd the car before you added the chip, the difference is probably more like a 20 hp increase, if any at all.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 22, 2019, 02:17:22 PM
The dyno will accurately measure (or calculate, since it actually measures acceleration) the power applied to the dyno roller.

They cannot accurately account for friction losses or the inertia of the driveline (which essentially shows up as a "loss" on an inertial dyno even though it technically is not a loss).  Hence, they are rubbish for establishing crank power with any accuracy and will report that lighter driveline components or wheels result in more power.  However, the laws of physics make it very clear that the drive wheels cannot impart more power to the dyno roller than is available at the crank. 

If an inertial chassis dyno registers more power at the wheels than is supposed to be at the crank, either the engine is under-rated or the dyno is broken (either mechanically or the equations that run in the background to compute power).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 22, 2019, 02:34:39 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 22, 2019, 02:17:22 PM
The dyno will accurately measure (or calculate, since it actually measures acceleration) the power applied to the dyno roller.

They cannot accurately account for friction losses or the inertia of the driveline (which essentially shows up as a "loss" on an inertial dyno even though it technically is not a loss).  Hence, they are rubbish for establishing crank power with any accuracy and will report that lighter driveline components or wheels result in more power.  However, the laws of physics make it very clear that the drive wheels cannot impart more power to the dyno roller than is available at the crank. 

If an inertial chassis dyno registers more power at the wheels than is supposed to be at the crank, either the engine is under-rated or the dyno is broken (either mechanically or the equations that run in the background to compute power).

Inertia is not a loss. If vehicle A and Vehicle B both have identical crank horsepower and identical drivetrain losses, yet vehicle A has 10% more drivetrain inertia, vehicle A and vehicle B will have identical constant speed wheel horsepower, yet vehicle A will show 10% less wheel horsepower on an inertial chassis dyno. This is why chassis dynos are generally terrible at accuracy. Some sophisticated chassis dynos can account for drivetrain inertia beyond simple estimate (they actually run in reverse to measure both drive train losses (torque to drive the drivetrain at constant speed) and drivetrain inertia (torque to accelerate the drivetrain)), but these are not widely available AFAIK, esp. for run-of-the-mill tuner shops.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 22, 2019, 03:30:00 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 22, 2019, 02:34:39 PM
Inertia is not a loss. If vehicle A and Vehicle B both have identical crank horsepower and identical drivetrain losses, yet vehicle A has 10% more drivetrain inertia, vehicle A and vehicle B will have identical constant speed wheel horsepower, yet vehicle A will show 10% less wheel horsepower on an inertial chassis dyno. This is why chassis dynos are generally terrible at accuracy. Some sophisticated chassis dynos can account for drivetrain inertia beyond simple estimate (they actually run in reverse to measure both drive train losses (torque to drive the drivetrain at constant speed) and drivetrain inertia (torque to accelerate the drivetrain)), but these are not widely available AFAIK, esp. for run-of-the-mill tuner shops.


I specifically said inertia is not a loss.  On an inertial dyno, however, increasing drivetrain inertia (e.g. heavier wheels) will register on the dyno as a reduction in power, because the acceleration of the drum slows due to there being more rotating mass for the engine to accelerate.

I think we are in violent agreement on the limitations of a chassis, and especially inertial, dyno.

That said, an inertial dyno cannot and will not report more power "at the wheels" than is available at the crankshaft.  It can't report the same power as the crank.  If you put a 300 hp (crank) car on an inertial chassis dyno and it says you spun the drum up with 350 hp, either your car makes more than 350 hp, or the dyno is broken/malfunctioning.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on October 22, 2019, 07:52:09 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B35pm7Yge5g/?igshid=1hsulevfqrie7
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 22, 2019, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 22, 2019, 02:13:49 PM
I imagine that aftermarket companies that make cold air intakes, chips, turbos, etc use this to advertise that their product adds more hp than it actually does. When they dyno the car with their chip and it shows 595 hp, they can claim ZOMG IT ADDS 100 HORSEPOWER! over the SAE rated 495 hp. But if you actually dyno'd the car before you added the chip, the difference is probably more like a 20 hp increase, if any at all.
Yea, it's generally best to reference independent tests. Truthfully, a lot of bolt ons are just good for noise (which is fine)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 22, 2019, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 22, 2019, 10:36:55 AM
IIRC, SAE certified ratings require you fall within a statistical range of the reported number.  I believe the reported number is a minimum value, but you also can't grossly under-report.  Unless there was something wrong with that dyno, based on the numbers reported, that car is making at least 20% more power than stated (I'm assuming only 5% driveline loss, which I'm sure is unreasonably low).  I don't recall the exact % variation SAE requires, but it's pretty small.  Like 5%.

Yeah there's no way it's making that much more than advertised.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 23, 2019, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 22, 2019, 08:25:44 PM
Yeah there's no way it's making that much more than advertised.

Dat inertia, and the flaw of "wheel" horsepower. Engine dyno or no dyno IMO (but a course of PITA if you're testing-n-tuning).

To get those accel numbers it's likely a highly violent launch control (though no mention of such a thing AFAIK).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 23, 2019, 01:36:51 PM
Yea, the magical "inertia" issue that only happens when a C8 is on it...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 23, 2019, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 23, 2019, 01:36:51 PM
Yea, the magical "inertia" issue that only happens when a C8 is on it...

No driveshaft bruh.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 23, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 23, 2019, 01:47:39 PM
No driveshaft bruh.

And your point is?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 23, 2019, 04:09:40 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 23, 2019, 01:35:09 PM
Dat inertia, and the flaw of "wheel" horsepower. Engine dyno or no dyno IMO (but a course of PITA if you're testing-n-tuning).

To get those accel numbers it's likely a highly violent launch control (though no mention of such a thing AFAIK).

An inertial dyno cannot read more or even the same power at the wheels than the engine is actually making unless something is broken/faulty.  That violates the 1st and 2nd laws of thermo.  In addition to driveline friction loss, the presence of rotating mass/inertia in the driveline only reduces the amount of power than an inertial dyno reads (hence why I called it a pseudo "loss" as far as inertial dynos are concerned), so "inertia" cannot be to blame for the dyno reading high.

I believe this is a faulty dyno.  Either something was physically broken (e.g. bad sensor) or there were some incorrect parameters entered into the software (perhaps some kind of adjustment factor to account for driveline inertia in the final results file wasn't input correctly, or some other adjustment parameter).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 23, 2019, 06:59:11 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 23, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
And your point is?

Inertial dynos are terrible and should be ignored.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on October 23, 2019, 07:14:46 PM
It's obviously a Dyno error.  Anyone with any shred of automotive knowledge would clearly see that.  MT was just trying to get more clicks after they didn't get to be all alone to publish C8 test times like they were promised (and after they advertised the crap out of their *exclusive* test).  Their sensationalist C8 Dyno backfired on them and that's why they pretty much scrubbed the C8 Dyno article from their front page and there are no links to it from the other C8 articles anymore.

Here is the article in question, which now you can pretty much only get to from a google search:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-power-dyno/

There are three obvious issues with this result.  First off a 602-615 lb/ft of torque rating for a 6.2 NA pushrod motor not tuned and cammed to be unstreetable is unheard of.  This isn't a turbo motor that they can just turn up the boost for easy power.  To get 600+lb/ft torque means this Chevy SBC would need to be exceeding the NA production car record for torque/liter.  The 458 Italia made 89 lb/ft per liter.  This magical pushrod would be making 99 lb/ft per liter.  It's impossible.  This engine is supposedly super refined, almost too refined and quiet, so there is no way it's running some ridiculous race cam, or running essentially an unrestricted exhaust.  The options to generate this sort of torque would be Chevy fitting  secret turbo or supercharger, which would be detected, or fitting some secret large displacement engine for these tests, which is highly unlikely.

Second is that this supposedly 660hp 3600lb car is only running 123mph traps.  That would be an abysmal trap speed for a car that has a similar or better power to weight ratio than the  C7 Z06 that ran 127-128mph traps.  122-123mph traps is exactly what you'd expect a 3600lb 495HP car to be running with a fast shifting DCT. 

Third, this was a Mustang Dyno (it says so right on the read out).  Having to run closest to 1:1 gearing is really only an issue with inertial dynos like a DynoJet, due to the way it works of measuring how fast you can accelerate the drums of a known mass.  A Mustang Dyno does not need to be run at 1:1 gearing to get close to accurate data due to the way it measures load.  At higher gears you get slightly lower readings on Mustang Dyno because there is more gear train resistance, but this is a small effect.

Look what happened when MT ran the C8 in 6th gear instead of 5th.  HP dropped by 90 HP and torque actually went up.  The graph on those runs looks super messed up too. 

(https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2019/10/2020-Chevrolet-Corvette-C8-RUN-6.jpg?fit=around%7C875:492)

But Motortrend didn't mention this messed up graph at all in their article.

This makes no sense unless changing gears on the C8 massively changed the engine mapping to make more torque at low RPMS and have it drop off at higher RPMs.  This should have been there biggest red flag that they weren't running this test correctly.  Mustang Dynos again have very little variation between gears due to the way they work.

Overall this was just poor automotive reporting.  When they got these nonsensical numbers they should have investigated why running a different gear on a Mustang Dyno resulted in such a vastly different reading, rather than just publishing it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 23, 2019, 08:12:53 PM
They should have had the engine masters guy do the test, they actually know what they're doing and know SBCs.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 23, 2019, 08:23:57 PM
This is an embarrasment for Motor Trend, but it's to be expected. Johnny Lieberman's whole MO is fleecing manufacturers out of cars and trips.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 24, 2019, 09:07:52 AM
Most automotive reporting is poor.

'Tis nothing new - most, include auto mags - get snookered by the snake oil of chassis dynos. It's simply not how to even remotely accurately measure engine power.

Dat inertia.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 24, 2019, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 23, 2019, 08:23:57 PM
This is an embarrasment for Motor Trend, but it's to be expected. Johnny Lieberman's whole MO is fleecing manufacturers out of cars and trips.
More like they intentionally faked the results for clicks
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on October 24, 2019, 10:30:48 AM
How reliable are hub dynos?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 24, 2019, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: r0tor on October 24, 2019, 09:31:36 AM
More like they intentionally faked the results for clicks
Auto enthusiasts are dumb but they aren't that dumb

The discussion over at TCL is quite robust with similar concerns.

Plus I feel like ANY dyno results from the C8, even if they were spot on, would generate big buzz. Instead, MT's credibility is shot, possibly because the dyno operator didn't know what they were doing? What a shame.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 24, 2019, 12:43:21 PM
The only dyno that matters is the butt dyno.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 24, 2019, 01:14:59 PM
Nah, M/T is smart enough to know that any sort of fakery would get called out.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 24, 2019, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on October 24, 2019, 10:30:48 AM
How reliable are hub dynos?

Much, much better, as they can test power at constant RPM or thereabouts, as a hub dyno relies a constant load like from hydraulics, rather than accelerating a large mass.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 24, 2019, 09:45:23 PM
There I go over to M/T and on their front page they have a blurb about X car making Y (i.e., "lots") of torque.

So painful.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 25, 2019, 03:58:37 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 24, 2019, 11:50:21 AM
Auto enthusiasts are dumb but they aren't that dumb

The discussion over at TCL is quite robust with similar concerns.

Plus I feel like ANY dyno results from the C8, even if they were spot on, would generate big buzz. Instead, MT's credibility is shot, possibly because the dyno operator didn't know what they were doing? What a shame.

Their fake news probably got them 1000x more clicks then a real dyno. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 25, 2019, 05:45:14 AM
Quote from: r0tor on October 25, 2019, 03:58:37 AM
Their fake news probably got them 1000x more clicks then a real dyno.
Getting clicks for incompetence = frontloading

I imagine a lot of people won't be going back.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 25, 2019, 07:33:53 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 24, 2019, 09:45:23 PM
There I go over to M/T and on their front page they have a blurb about X car making Y (i.e., "lots") of torque.

So painful.

Yeah, but that's a manufacturer's claim.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 06, 2019, 06:40:22 PM
Like I said earlier. There is no way I'd spend 5 Grand on the Z51 package! Unless I HAD to have Mag Ride! The base car is just as fast and is carrying a couple extra MPHs in the 1/4 Mile!
https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2019/nov/1106-corvette.html
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 08, 2019, 04:00:52 AM
Yup. The base car is the one to get.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 08, 2019, 05:36:33 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on November 08, 2019, 04:00:52 AM
Yup. The base car is the one to get.
Without a second thought......
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 10, 2019, 06:45:57 AM
For drag racing, the cheapest, simplest trim that gets you the most potent engine is usually the best.  That's been the case for a long time (old LX 5.0 notch back Mustangs?).  If you only intend to drive on the street and the local drag strip, base car is your best value.  If you intend to do any roadcoarse driving, or even autox, I suspect the Z51 will be worth the investment.  Besides the MagRide, it also gets the ediff, bigger brakes, and additional cooling for the powertrain.  The first two will be useful for both autocrossers and road racers.  The latter two are geared more toward handling the rigors of sustained hard driving/lapping.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 10, 2019, 07:27:06 AM
It would be stupid to buy a C8 for drag racing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on November 10, 2019, 07:31:00 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 10, 2019, 07:27:06 AM
It would be stupid to buy a C8 for drag racing.
Especially since it's slower than a GT500 in the quarter.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 10, 2019, 07:55:06 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 10, 2019, 07:27:06 AM
It would be stupid to buy a C8 for drag racing.

Yeah, but there are plenty of Vette owners for whom the strip is the only "closed course" or performance driving their car sees.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on November 10, 2019, 08:09:05 AM
Quote from: MX793 on November 10, 2019, 07:55:06 AM
Yeah, but there are plenty of Vette owners for whom the strip is the only "closed course" or performance driving their car sees.

True. Mashing the gas pedal with launch control for 12 seconds is a far cry below hitting a road course and doing some "real" race driving. Takes balls to make that leap, I imagine.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 10, 2019, 09:13:14 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 10, 2019, 08:09:05 AM
True. Mashing the gas pedal with launch control for 12 seconds is a far cry below hitting a road course and doing some "real" race driving. Takes balls to make that leap, I imagine.

That's part of it.  Also, drag strips are generally more accessible than road courses.  There are a lot more of them, for starters.  And it's generally much less expensive to go to the local strip and do a couple of runs than to pay for a track day.  Local drag strip has an event every week, $25 to enter the "street" class.  $50 if you just want to do time trials.  Nearest road course, which is a very small course, is a Monticello-esque country club deal (though much less expensive, it's still not cheap), though they do sell individual track days to non-members.  Single track day pass for a non-member is $350.  You can buy a 3-pack for a discounted per diem rate, but it's still over $200 a track day.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 10, 2019, 09:17:08 AM
Quote from: MX793 on November 10, 2019, 09:13:14 AM
That's part of it.  Also, drag strips are generally more accessible than road courses.  There are a lot more of them, for starters.  And it's generally much less expensive to go to the local strip and do a couple of runs than to pay for a track day.  Local drag strip has an event every week, $25 to enter the "street" class.  $50 if you just want to do time trials.  Nearest road course, which is a very small course, is a Monticello-esque country club deal (though much less expensive, it's still not cheap), though they do sell individual track days to non-members.  Single track day pass for a non-member is $350.  You can buy a 3-pack for a discounted per diem rate, but it's still over $200 a track day.

If I could get onto road course for the price of a drag strip, I'd be there every weekend. But I can't even afford one track day ever.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 10, 2019, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: MX793 on November 10, 2019, 06:45:57 AM
For drag racing, the cheapest, simplest trim that gets you the most potent engine is usually the best.  That's been the case for a long time (old LX 5.0 notch back Mustangs?).  If you only intend to drive on the street and the local drag strip, base car is your best value.  If you intend to do any roadcoarse driving, or even autox, I suspect the Z51 will be worth the investment.  Besides the MagRide, it also gets the ediff, bigger brakes, and additional cooling for the powertrain.  The first two will be useful for both autocrossers and road racers.  The latter two are geared more toward handling the rigors of sustained hard driving/lapping.
Actually Mag Ride is NOT included in the Z51 package. It an ADDITIONAL $1895! The performance exhaust IS included in the $5000 Z51 package tho! So you actually have to spend 7 Grand for the set up! And you can only get MagRide with the Z51 upgrade! It's not available as a stand alone option like it has been in the past! 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 12:31:13 AM
Yowzers. M/T tests a C8 at 0-60 in 2.8 sec and 1/4 mile in 11.1 sec @ 123 mph: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2020/2020-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-c8-first-test-review/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 11, 2019, 05:15:51 AM
Going to wait for more reputable rags to chime in with times
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: afty on November 11, 2019, 12:18:41 PM
C/D got nearly identical numbers (https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a29462701/2020-chevy-corvette-by-the-numbers/):

Quote
C/D
TEST RESULTS
Rollout, 1 ft: 0.2 sec
Zero to 60 mph: 2.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 13.2 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 19.4 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 3.5 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 1.9 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 2.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.2 sec @ 122 mph
Top speed (drag limited, mfr's claim): 184 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 149 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.03 g
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on November 11, 2019, 12:47:11 PM
God damn.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 12:53:39 PM
Hmm. Thus far, the C8 punches above its weight, and the GT500 below.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out in future tests and comparos. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 11, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 12:53:39 PM
Hmm. Thus far, the C8 punches above its weight, and the GT500 below.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out in future tests and comparos. 
Yup!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on November 11, 2019, 01:26:33 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 12:53:39 PM
Hmm. Thus far, the C8 punches above its weight, and the GT500 below.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out in future tests and comparos. 

More like just performs as expected
https://www.motor1.com/news/378121/2020-chevrolet-corvette-dyno-test-exclusive/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on November 11, 2019, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 12:53:39 PM
Hmm. Thus far, the C8 punches above its weight, and the GT500 below.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out in future tests and comparos. 
We also know that the GT500 punches harder. ;)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2019, 02:03:27 PM
Quote from: r0tor on November 11, 2019, 01:26:33 PM
More like just performs as expected
https://www.motor1.com/news/378121/2020-chevrolet-corvette-dyno-test-exclusive/


That was a ringer. All the magazine test cars are ringers too. In fact, Chevy has decided to only produce ringers, but rest assured normal C8s won't be that fast.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on November 11, 2019, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2019, 02:03:27 PM

That was a ringer. All the magazine test cars are ringers too. In fact, Chevy has decided to only produce ringers, but rest assured normal C8s won't be that fast.

I guess you didn't read where Camissa threw the cars parameters into a performance program and came up with identical times posted by the mags... There, you no longer need to read it
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on November 11, 2019, 02:46:50 PM
This Corvette kills a lot of interest in other vehicles.  Why look at a Mustang GT500 when this exists?  A base Corvette will demolish the new Supra too.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2019, 03:21:30 PM
Quote from: r0tor on November 11, 2019, 02:33:59 PM
I guess you didn't read where Camissa threw the cars parameters into a performance program and came up with identical times posted by the mags... There, you no longer need to read it

Gods, how can you be so dense and yet reasonably intelligent?

Read what I posted again.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 03:26:06 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 11, 2019, 01:54:27 PM
We also know that the GT500 punches harder. ;)

No, we don't know that. Even if we did, I'd be careful with boasting about $100k besting a $60k car.

For example, the ZR1, with the same power, RWD, and weighing ~500-550 lbs less, is a certified 10.6-10.8 car off the showroom floor. The Ferarri 812 Superfast is slightly more advantageous. Thus, by these extensions, the GT500 at ~4,200 lbs is a low/mid 11 sec car,

What we do know is the quickest non "Ford private" test (i.e., independent test) we/I can find thus far; burnout + prepared/pro track + launch control; is 11.379 sec @129 mph (see 4:21 in this video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIk7dtbKnTE
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on November 11, 2019, 04:00:17 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2019, 03:21:30 PM
Gods, how can you be so dense and yet reasonably intelligent?

Read what I posted again.

Your quote was useless for the subject at hand
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 11, 2019, 04:22:17 PM
Quote from: MrH on November 11, 2019, 02:46:50 PM
This Corvette kills a lot of interest in other vehicles.  Why look at a Mustang GT500 when this exists?  A base Corvette will demolish the new Supra too.
THIS....
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2019, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: r0tor on November 11, 2019, 04:00:17 PM
Your quote was useless for the subject at hand

O FFS.

If all they make are "ringers," what is a normal vette?

It was a joke ya numpty.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on November 11, 2019, 05:14:42 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 03:26:06 PM
No, we don't know that. Even if we did, I'd be careful with boasting about $100k besting a $60k car.

For example, the ZR1, with the same power, RWD, and weighing ~500-550 lbs less, is a certified 10.6-10.8 car off the showroom floor. The Ferarri 812 Superfast is slightly more advantageous. Thus, by these extensions, the GT500 at ~4,200 lbs is a low/mid 11 sec car,

What we do know is the quickest non "Ford private" test (i.e., independent test) we/I can find thus far; burnout + prepared/pro track + launch control; is 11.379 sec @129 mph (see 4:21 in this video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIk7dtbKnTE
i know it must hurt, but it's 10.6  ;). 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEsted6S8kg

I'm not taking anything away from the C8, it's a lighter car with better traction off the line and better gearing for 0 to 60, but the base C8 just doesn't have to ponies to match the GT500 quarter mile times.

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on November 11, 2019, 05:16:42 PM
Okay, I really want one now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH49n-4zuIc
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on November 11, 2019, 06:15:09 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2019, 04:33:58 PM
O FFS.

If all they make are "ringers," what is a normal vette?

It was a joke ya numpty.


Reaching black hole level of density
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: r0tor on November 11, 2019, 06:15:09 PM

Reaching black hole level of density

Do you know how a chassis (inertial) dyno works?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 06:57:13 PM
Quote from: MrH on November 11, 2019, 02:46:50 PM
This Corvette kills a lot of interest in other vehicles.  Why look at a Mustang GT500 when this exists?  A base Corvette will demolish the new Supra too.

More than a few GT350 and GT500 orders have been converted to C8 orders.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on November 11, 2019, 07:24:40 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 06:39:39 PM
Do you know how a chassis (inertial) dyno works?

Relevancy lacking is
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on November 11, 2019, 07:28:26 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 06:57:13 PM
More than a few GT350 and GT500 orders have been converted to C8 orders.
So now we're just saying stuff :lol:.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on November 11, 2019, 08:42:57 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 11, 2019, 05:14:42 PM
i know it must hurt, but it's 10.6  ;). 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEsted6S8kg

I'm not taking anything away from the C8, it's a lighter car with better traction off the line and better gearing for 0 to 60, but the base C8 just doesn't have to ponies to match the GT500 quarter mile times.



Oh, man ;)

1:57 - video cuts just before the ET and mph are displayed
3:20 - time slip covers up the display as the the car crosses
4:15 - display too small to read
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 11, 2019, 09:49:46 PM
Quote from: MrH on November 11, 2019, 02:46:50 PM
This Corvette kills a lot of interest in other vehicles.  Why look at a Mustang GT500 when this exists?  A base Corvette will demolish the new Supra too.

The used entry-exotic market must be devastated. That 8 yr old, $60,000 Audi R8 doesn't make sense anymore. Unless you really want that gated shifter.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on November 12, 2019, 07:53:07 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on November 11, 2019, 09:49:46 PM
The used entry-exotic market must be devastated. That 8 yr old, $60,000 Audi R8 doesn't make sense anymore. Unless you really want that gated shifter.

Yep.

Honestly, I think a Z51 package is enough too.  Even when the Z06 and ZR1 comes out, 495 horsepower and <3 sec to 60 is plenty, plenty fast for me.  Not worth doubling the price.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on November 12, 2019, 08:16:29 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on November 11, 2019, 09:49:46 PM
The used entry-exotic market must be devastated. That 8 yr old, $60,000 Audi R8 doesn't make sense anymore. Unless you really want that gated shifter.

That gated shifter is sweet though and, IMO, first gen R8s still look absolutely stunning.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 12, 2019, 08:39:58 AM
Quote from: MrH on November 11, 2019, 02:46:50 PM
This Corvette kills a lot of interest in other vehicles.  Why look at a Mustang GT500 when this exists?  A base Corvette will demolish the new Supra too.
This narrative is wearing thin. There's more to a car like this than bench racing specs. Looks, sound, engagement, character, brand etc all matter just as much if not more. GT500 & Zupra are maybe off the mark on value but I wouldn't fault anybody for buying a GT350, GT4 or something like a used R8 or 911 over this. It's not like a Corvette is a rational purchase to begin with
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on November 12, 2019, 08:53:22 AM
I wouldn't fault anyone either, but I think the value proposition here is big enough that it pulls the sports car market quite a bit.

I wish there were more cars playing in the miata size/weight/price category  :(

You have to be a pretty big baller to throw $70k around on just a fun car.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2019, 08:58:22 AM
Quote from: MrH on November 12, 2019, 08:53:22 AM
I wouldn't fault anyone either, but I think the value proposition here is big enough that it pulls the sports car market quite a bit.

I wish there were more cars playing in the miata size/weight/price category  :(

You have to be a pretty big baller to throw $70k around on just a fun car.

What I want is to see a lot of pristine C5s and 6s go on the market, as Vette guys trade in their garage queens.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on November 12, 2019, 09:20:37 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2019, 08:58:22 AM
What I want is to see a lot of pristine C5s and 6s go on the market, as Vette guys trade in their garage queens.

C5s and C6s?  I want C7s!

A pristine Z51, manual C7 for under $30k would be a killer deal.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2019, 09:36:34 AM
Quote from: MrH on November 12, 2019, 09:20:37 AM
C5s and C6s?  I want C7s!

A pristine Z51, manual C7 for under $30k would be a killer deal.

Ok, but I'm aiming at sub-$20k and there are a lot of clean low mileage Z06s out there like this:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=502317253&zip=48306&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D48306%26listingTypes%3DUSED%26startYear%3D1981%26sortBy%3Drelevance%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26marketExtension%3Don%26endYear%3D2010%26modelCodeList%3DCORV%26makeCodeList%3DCHEV%26searchRadius%3D50%26transmissionCodes%3DMAN&listingTypes=USED&startYear=1981&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2010&modelCodeList=CORV&makeCodeList=CHEV&searchRadius=50&makeCode1=CHEV&modelCode1=CORV&clickType=listing
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on November 12, 2019, 09:43:07 AM
Yeah, there are a lot of clean (maybe not as clean as that one) C5 Z06s going for <$20k.

I can't take that interior though.  Makes me want to cry.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on November 12, 2019, 10:14:17 AM
Quote from: MrH on November 12, 2019, 08:53:22 AM
I wouldn't fault anyone either, but I think the value proposition here is big enough that it pulls the sports car market quite a bit.

I wish there were more cars playing in the miata size/weight/price category  :(

You have to be a pretty big baller to throw $70k around on just a fun car.

Not sure how much value comes into the equation on making a purchase like this... There is more of an unquantifiable desirability factor at play
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 12, 2019, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: MrH on November 12, 2019, 08:53:22 AM
I wouldn't fault anyone either, but I think the value proposition here is big enough that it pulls the sports car market quite a bit.

I wish there were more cars playing in the miata size/weight/price category  :(

You have to be a pretty big baller to throw $70k around on just a fun car.
You have to be a big baller to throw $70K on a daily driver... especially one with new car depreciation. Even our forum's richest couldn't push that button :lol:

And anything in the Miata price category is going to get mauled by the used market unfortunately. It's a negative feedback loop

Quote from: MrH on November 12, 2019, 09:43:07 AM
Yeah, there are a lot of clean (maybe not as clean as that one) C5 Z06s going for <$20k.

I can't take that interior though.  Makes me want to cry.
It dawned on me that I only need a back seat for the ~10 or so minutes I'm picking up my daughter. I didn't mind the Z's interior, even at 190K miles. Only thing that would drive me crazy about a C5 is the squeaks. Everything else (seats, infotainment, lighting) can be fixed....................................
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: afty on November 12, 2019, 10:54:41 AM
Motor Trend posted an update on their C8 dyno: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2020/2020-chevrolet-c8-corvette-dyno-results-followup/

"Now we've learned that our dyno operator selected two dyno settings that were incorrect. One is a key parameter that had yet to be released for the C8 and so was estimated from C7 data. That is road-load horsepower at 50 mph. This factor incorporates friction and aero drag, and it can be measured empirically by conducting coast-down tests, but because dyno-testing the C8 was a last-minute fill-in to our schedule when Real MPG testing proved impossible on our last day with the C8, we had no opportunity to measure it. The dyno operators used 12.6, when Chevrolet has informed us that the correct factor for our Z51 should have been 15.4. But the bigger boo-boo was that the dynamometer was also set to assume all-wheel drive."

They don't have updated dyno numbers yet as they need to get another C8 to test.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on November 12, 2019, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 12, 2019, 10:21:39 AM
You have to be a big baller to throw $70K on a daily driver... especially one with new car depreciation. Even our forum's richest couldn't push that button :lol:

And anything in the Miata price category is going to get mauled by the used market unfortunately. It's a negative feedback loop
It dawned on me that I only need a back seat for the ~10 or so minutes I'm picking up my daughter. I didn't mind the Z's interior, even at 190K miles. Only thing that would drive me crazy about a C5 is the squeaks. Everything else (seats, infotainment, lighting) can be fixed....................................

Used car market destroys the miata in terms of outright performance, but I think the miata still wins in overall driving experience.

Even if C7s drop to $35k used, I think I'd still get a slightly used 2019 Miata for $25k.  It's all performance you can't use, wrapped in a more numb package for the most part.  Granted, I haven't driven a C7, but I would definitely take a miata over a C5 or C6.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on November 12, 2019, 12:59:57 PM
Quote from: afty on November 12, 2019, 10:54:41 AM
Motor Trend posted an update on their C8 dyno: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2020/2020-chevrolet-c8-corvette-dyno-results-followup/

"Now we've learned that our dyno operator selected two dyno settings that were incorrect. One is a key parameter that had yet to be released for the C8 and so was estimated from C7 data. That is road-load horsepower at 50 mph. This factor incorporates friction and aero drag, and it can be measured empirically by conducting coast-down tests, but because dyno-testing the C8 was a last-minute fill-in to our schedule when Real MPG testing proved impossible on our last day with the C8, we had no opportunity to measure it. The dyno operators used 12.6, when Chevrolet has informed us that the correct factor for our Z51 should have been 15.4. But the bigger boo-boo was that the dynamometer was also set to assume all-wheel drive."

They don't have updated dyno numbers yet as they need to get another C8 to test.

I loved that the first assumption is that Chevy is sandbagging instead of Joe Blow on the dyno machine screwing something up. :lol:

Yes guys, Chevy is purposely under reporting SAE horsepower numbers to....make it harder for their marketing team to sell cars?  I don't understand what the incentive would be exactly.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on November 12, 2019, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: MrH on November 12, 2019, 12:59:57 PM
I loved that the first assumption is that Chevy is sandbagging instead of Joe Blow on the dyno machine screwing something up. :lol:

Yes guys, Chevy is purposely under reporting SAE horsepower numbers to....make it harder for their marketing team to sell cars?  I don't understand what the incentive would be exactly.

No logical incentive. If anything, it'd be very risky, letting the first batch of press cars out as tuner specials; jeopardizing the SAE cert, risking engine failure or an emissions problem, or for a media outlet to discover the shens (anything from an emissions test to putting a dial indictator on a rocker arm).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 12, 2019, 01:16:50 PM
Quote from: MrH on November 12, 2019, 12:58:01 PM
Used car market destroys the miata in terms of outright performance, but I think the miata still wins in overall driving experience.

Even if C7s drop to $35k used, I think I'd still get a slightly used 2019 Miata for $25k.  It's all performance you can't use, wrapped in a more numb package for the most part.  Granted, I haven't driven a C7, but I would definitely take a miata over a C5 or C6.

There's no better car for the reality of speed limits.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 12, 2019, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: MrH on November 12, 2019, 09:20:37 AM
C5s and C6s?  I want C7s!

A pristine Z51, manual C7 for under $30k would be a killer deal.
They're getting close! I want a C7 Z06 but is it really 20K better than a Base C7 or 10K better than a C7 GS? I was really tempted by the C8 but mine would be close to 70K and I just can't do that! Nice Z06s are 50-55K but I'm just not sure if it's worth the extra coin............  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 12, 2019, 03:45:53 PM
I feel like the C7 GS is kind of a sweet spot.  Z06 is beyond overkill for a street car.  GS gives you a lot of the aero and handling from the Z06 and is still blazing fast.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 12, 2019, 04:26:03 PM
Quote from: MX793 on November 12, 2019, 03:45:53 PM
I feel like the C7 GS is kind of a sweet spot.  Z06 is beyond overkill for a street car.  GS gives you a lot of the aero and handling from the Z06 and is still blazing fast.
Yes it's most likely the best Bang for the buck!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 12, 2019, 04:31:14 PM
Quote from: MrH on November 12, 2019, 12:58:01 PM
Used car market destroys the miata in terms of outright performance, but I think the miata still wins in overall driving experience.

Even if C7s drop to $35k used, I think I'd still get a slightly used 2019 Miata for $25k.  It's all performance you can't use, wrapped in a more numb package for the most part.  Granted, I haven't driven a C7, but I would definitely take a miata over a C5 or C6.
I guess it depends on what you want. The Miata is def a better sports car, but the Vette is a very usable GT, which is what I'd be looking for in a car like this. I don't have the time or roads to enjoy something like a Miata

And yea, I'd gladly take a C7 or C6 GS anyday, though the regular C7 looks good enough (just can't get into the narrow body C6)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on November 12, 2019, 07:38:15 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on November 12, 2019, 01:16:50 PM
There's no better car for the reality of speed limits.

And traffic. And fuel prices (good now, but one conflict away from $5 a gallon gas)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on November 12, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
Bah, GM can add a first to 8th skip shift default mode to their AT :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 12, 2019, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: Laconian on November 12, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
Bah, GM can add a first to 8th skip shift default mode to their AT :lol:

:(
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 14, 2019, 10:39:59 AM
I rode in a C7 Stingray around an autox course and it was amazing. Great chassis.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on November 17, 2019, 03:30:47 PM
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-comparison-tests/a29640493/2020-performance-car-of-the-year/

A lot of fluff in the writing.

Unfortunately the C8 didn't win.  Supposedly the preproduction gearbox sunk it, though GM says the production cars have a better gearbox now.  Scroll to the bottom for the winner.

Interesting are the lap times

1) Huracan Evo 1:20
2) Mclaren 600LT 1:20.42
3) C8 1:22.85
4) 911 Carrera S 1:23.08
5) GT-R Nismo 1:23.8
then the others

The C8 beats out the Carrera S, despite similar straight line speed and generally less lateral grip in prior testing.  Both beat the Nismo GT-R by a considerable margin which is surprising considering all the upgrades they made to this new Nismo.  Time has taken it's toll on the GT-R, and even with all these upgrades and a 200K+ price tag, it won't run close to the C8.

Which gives some perspective into performance cars of today.  The GT-R is a nice benchmark as it has been in production since the 2009 model year, and has been around nearly 12 years now.  When the old GT-R came out and offered the performance it did for 69K back then, it was a miracle car beating cars costing many times more.  The new Nismo is a vast improvement on the original with more power, grip, carbon brakes, etc, and yet now a C8 starting at 60K will beat the top dog GT-R.

Everyone says it, but it doesn't make it less true.  Forget whatever golden age of performance cars people were thinking of for decades past.  This is the golden age of performance.  Never has performance been so abundant, so affordable, or so accessible.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 17, 2019, 03:47:28 PM
Did those hacks even test the Veloster N?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on November 17, 2019, 03:51:45 PM
True, objective performance of new cars today is at levels utterly thought impossible just 10 years ago, but then again most cars these days are fairly terrible - turbos, infotainment, drive modes, fake exhaust sound, dearth of manual transmissions, etc.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 17, 2019, 04:28:39 PM
Yea.... all that performance is definitely coming at the expense of character.  And much of it is beyond what's even useful on the street. Something that gets to 60 in the 3s but has a turbo 4 popper is not exciting to me.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 17, 2019, 04:42:48 PM
Quote from: 565 on November 17, 2019, 03:30:47 PM
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-comparison-tests/a29640493/2020-performance-car-of-the-year/

A lot of fluff in the writing.

Unfortunately the C8 didn't win.  Supposedly the preproduction gearbox sunk it, though GM says the production cars have a better gearbox now.  Scroll to the bottom for the winner.

Interesting are the lap times

1) Huracan Evo 1:20
2) Mclaren 600LT 1:20.42
3) C8 1:22.85
4) 911 Carrera S 1:23.08
5) GT-R Nismo 1:23.8
then the others

The C8 beats out the Carrera S, despite similar straight line speed and generally less lateral grip in prior testing.  Both beat the Nismo GT-R by a considerable margin which is surprising considering all the upgrades they made to this new Nismo.  Time has taken it's toll on the GT-R, and even with all these upgrades and a 200K+ price tag, it won't run close to the C8.

Which gives some perspective into performance cars of today.  The GT-R is a nice benchmark as it has been in production since the 2009 model year, and has been around nearly 12 years now.  When the old GT-R came out and offered the performance it did for 69K back then, it was a miracle car beating cars costing many times more.  The new Nismo is a vast improvement on the original with more power, grip, carbon brakes, etc, and yet now a C8 starting at 60K will beat the top dog GT-R.

Everyone says it, but it doesn't make it less true.  Forget whatever golden age of performance cars people were thinking of for decades past.  This is the golden age of performance.  Never has performance been so abundant, so affordable, or so accessible.


I posted this elsewhere, but the notion of complaining that an automated manual gearbox hit the rev limiter instead of automatically upshifting when in MANUAL mode is so preposterous that whomever at R&T filed that complaint should lose their enthusiast card and be relegated to testing minivans.  Not too long ago, auto journalists would have outright panned a car with any sort of automated gearbox that didn't let you ride the rev limiter when set in manual mode.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 17, 2019, 08:04:40 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 17, 2019, 03:47:28 PM
Did those hacks even test the Veloster N?

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 17, 2019, 08:37:19 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on November 12, 2019, 01:16:50 PM
There's no better car for the reality of speed limits.

I greatly enjoy driving Miata hard, but it amuses me also that if I were to keep the accelerator to the floor in other cars I'd be going way too fast...
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on November 17, 2019, 09:01:39 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 17, 2019, 04:28:39 PM
Yea.... all that performance is definitely coming at the expense of character.  And much of it is beyond what's even useful on the street. Something that gets to 60 in the 3s but has a turbo 4 popper is not exciting to me.

I was just in LA visiting with my wife visiting her friend.  He gave us his CLS63 S to drive for the week we were there.  Except for late at night on a weekday on the PCH, using that much power on the street is just not possible.  Even on the PCH you have a split second at WOT before you have to slow back down because you're already going wayyyyyyyy too fast for that particular stretch of highway.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 18, 2019, 10:27:17 PM
https://youtu.be/nvTzcNtaSLU
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on November 19, 2019, 08:33:00 PM
https://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-corvette-c8-2020-car-of-the-year

MT car of the year
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 19, 2019, 09:40:23 PM
Quote from: 565 on November 19, 2019, 08:33:00 PM
https://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-corvette-c8-2020-car-of-the-year

MT car of the year
I like how they explained the understeer issue!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on November 20, 2019, 09:13:21 AM
2020 COTY?  It's not even December 2019 yet.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on November 20, 2019, 09:20:48 AM
11.1 @123 mph in the 1/4 mile? Jesus. Pretty much beats all the s/c American stuff except the ZR1 and Dodge Demon.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 20, 2019, 12:00:14 PM
Dakota can do 22.2 @ 61.5, so it is half as fast as a C8. :muffin:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on November 20, 2019, 12:59:11 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 20, 2019, 09:13:21 AM
2020 COTY?  It's not even December 2019 yet.

All the MY2020 product is out.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 20, 2019, 01:29:53 PM
Mazda may still have some 2020.75 stuff up its sleeve
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on November 20, 2019, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 20, 2019, 01:29:53 PM
Mazda may still have some 2020.75 stuff up its sleeve

I don't think a new bumper on the CX-5 is going to do the trick :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 22, 2019, 08:41:06 PM
https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-hybrid-twin-turbo-dohc-v-8-with-900-hp/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=&utm_source=

Source: C8 Corvette ZR1 to Get Hybrid Twin-Turbo DOHC V-8 With 900 HP!
Halo model will also be the first-ever AWD Corvette
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on November 22, 2019, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 22, 2019, 08:41:06 PM
https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-hybrid-twin-turbo-dohc-v-8-with-900-hp/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=&utm_source=

Source: C8 Corvette ZR1 to Get Hybrid Twin-Turbo DOHC V-8 With 900 HP!
Halo model will also be the first-ever AWD Corvette
About time :ohyeah:.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on November 23, 2019, 06:19:48 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 22, 2019, 08:41:06 PM
https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-hybrid-twin-turbo-dohc-v-8-with-900-hp/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=&utm_source=

Source: C8 Corvette ZR1 to Get Hybrid Twin-Turbo DOHC V-8 With 900 HP!
Halo model will also be the first-ever AWD Corvette

Skeptical, esp. since 495 hp of pooprod magic already puts the C8 ahead of any car south of ~$150k. Counterpoint is that supercharger fitment would be a problem.

The uplevel Corvettes have done wonders for the brand and GM in general, but IMO putting those resources into further developing the "base" C8 would pay immense dividends. Imagine a C8 with say 600 hp of N/A pooprod magic? Sure, it's not going to "compete" with a lower range McLaren or Ferrari, but it would be close, and a far more interesting car.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 23, 2019, 09:26:20 AM
No sense in that when they can charge more for badges. As before the Grand Sport will probably be the sweet spot
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 23, 2019, 10:38:03 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 23, 2019, 06:19:48 AM
Skeptical, esp. since 495 hp of pooprod magic already puts the C8 ahead of any car south of ~$150k. Counterpoint is that supercharger fitment would be a problem.

The uplevel Corvettes have done wonders for the brand and GM in general, but IMO putting those resources into further developing the "base" C8 would pay immense dividends. Imagine a C8 with say 600 hp of N/A pooprod magic? Sure, it's not going to "compete" with a lower range McLaren or Ferrari, but it would be close, and a far more interesting car.

Twin turbo hybrid seems like a huge reason they switched to mid engine.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 23, 2019, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 23, 2019, 10:38:03 AM
Twin turbo hybrid seems like a huge reason they switched to mid engine.
And there's plenty of room up front where the Frunk is......
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on November 27, 2019, 12:26:50 PM
So will rental car companies stock the C8? I'd like to drive one for a couple days..
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 27, 2019, 05:04:25 PM
Quote from: Laconian on November 27, 2019, 12:26:50 PM
So will rental car companies stock the C8? I'd like to drive one for a couple days..
Doubt it.......
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on November 27, 2019, 05:10:51 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on November 27, 2019, 05:04:25 PM
Doubt it.......

The C6 was available in the Hertz "fun" category. :huh:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 27, 2019, 05:33:56 PM
Quote from: Laconian on November 27, 2019, 05:10:51 PM
The C6 was available in the Hertz "fun" category. :huh:

I've seen C7s on rental lots as well.  I think Avis rents them.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 27, 2019, 06:30:37 PM
Yeah in San Diego back in '94 I rented a C4 roadster from Hertz.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on November 27, 2019, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: MX793 on November 27, 2019, 05:33:56 PM
I've seen C7s on rental lots as well.  I think Avis rents them.
Right.. Hertz is Ford.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on November 27, 2019, 06:49:48 PM
Must have been Avis then.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 27, 2019, 06:51:04 PM
Quote from: Laconian on November 27, 2019, 06:34:43 PM
Right.. Hertz is Ford.

Not anymore.  Ford sold them a dozen or so years ago.

The Hertz "Adrenaline" collection offers late model Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, and Challengers.  Including the recently released Hertz/Hendrick Black and Yellow special edition Camaro SS and ZL1.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 27, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on November 27, 2019, 06:49:48 PM
Must have been Avis then.

Naw, it was Rent-A-Wreck
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 27, 2019, 09:12:00 PM
I said I doubt it because of the Allotment crap! Maybe a few years down the line. I can't see them being in rental fleets anytime soon.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on November 27, 2019, 09:21:38 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 27, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
Naw, it was Rent-A-Wreck

I totally forgot Rent A Wreck existed.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 28, 2019, 06:20:58 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 27, 2019, 09:21:38 PM
I totally forgot Rent A Wreck existed.

I once rented a Mazda B2300 with manual steering and a stick shift from them. The exhaust fell down on a dirt road, but I hung it back up. It was a good truck.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on November 29, 2019, 06:35:17 PM
Apparently GM will lose money on every Vette sold for under $80K.  If that's true, expect the 60K base price to rise sharply after 2020.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 30, 2019, 04:46:12 AM
They just won't sell anything less than a 3LT

That's only gonna keep C7 prices steady :facepalm: I need one at like 30K
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 30, 2019, 08:29:35 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 30, 2019, 04:46:12 AM
They just won't sell anything less than a 3LT

That's only gonna keep C7 prices steady :facepalm: I need one at like 30K
The C8 sweet spot is 2LT non Z51 models! 67-70K with Performance exhaust and axle lift! I'm still eye balling C7 prices too! I've been tempted by a few in the High 30s.........
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 30, 2019, 08:33:18 AM
Quote from: MX793 on November 29, 2019, 06:35:17 PM
Apparently GM will lose money on every Vette sold for under $80K.  If that's true, expect the 60K base price to rise sharply after 2020.
I'm willing to bet 95% will be under 80K. I can't see the Bean Counters leaving that much money on the table.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on November 30, 2019, 08:34:31 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on November 30, 2019, 08:29:35 AM
The C8 sweet spot is 2LT non Z51 models! 67-70K with Performance exhaust and axle lift! I'm still eye balling C7 prices too! I've been tempted by a few in the High 30s.........
Might be worth considering the C8 at the reduced price if you can get one.  It might start appreciating afterwards.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 30, 2019, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 30, 2019, 08:34:31 AM
Might be worth considering the C8 at the reduced price if you can get one.  It might start appreciating afterwards.
I'm all over the place! I wanna just buy a C8 New but the C7 is a steal at 35-40K! I really want a C7 Z06 but I keep asking myself if it's really 15-20 grand better than a Base C7! C7 GS (2017) prices are so close Z06 prices (2015) that I would go with the Z06. A 2LT C8 is 20 grand MORE than a used Z06/GS! I think I'm gonna go C7 for a couple years then get the C8.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 30, 2019, 10:34:34 AM
Bro you don't need a damn Z06 to cruise with the honeys with the top out :lol: . A C7 Z51 is a big upgrade. Especially with the 8AT.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 30, 2019, 10:46:35 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 30, 2019, 10:34:34 AM
Bro you don't need a damn Z06 to cruise with the honeys with the top out :lol: . A C7 Z51 is a big upgrade. Especially with the 8AT.
this is true!!! LMAO!!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on December 01, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on November 30, 2019, 08:33:18 AM
I'm willing to bet 95% will be under 80K. I can't see the Bean Counters leaving that much money on the table.

It is interesting that the C8 costs about 80K to build.

Compare that to the 911, which is apparently has the highest profit margins.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/porsche-911-most-profitable-car-2019

47% profit margin and it sounds like most of it is in options.  It's very likely in terms of pure cost to make, the C8 costs more than the 911.  It makes sense as the C8 is an all new platform and was built to accommodate the future, including a twin turbo V8, hybrid AWD drivetrains etc.  The 911 is mostly an evolution of things that have come before it.


Also something interesting, the 911 only makes up 11%! of Porsche sales.  The majority are Macans and Cayennes.  I see those things everywhere

https://www.motor1.com/news/300557/porsche-best-selling-models-2018/

It looks like in 2018 the Macan more than doubled 911 sales, and the Cayenne also doubled 911 sales.  Its kinda sad when the iconic sports car of a sports car maker only amounts to about 10% of its sales.  Porsche is mainly an SUV maker now.  I guess now I know why Lambo made an SUV and Ferrari wants to make one.  SUVs are where the sales are.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 02, 2019, 03:51:30 PM
Randys take on the C8 with Track Alignment!
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2020/c7-vs-c8-chevrolet-corvette-track-review/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Morris Minor on December 18, 2019, 04:09:44 AM
The C8 is great (just watched the Jay Leno episode on the convertible) but I don't think it's great-looking - too much overwrought-Batmobile fussiness. I'd like more simple purity of line. Amazing achievement though.
https://youtu.be/nvTzcNtaSLU
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 05, 2020, 07:22:13 PM
I really love the looks of the current and the next Vettes.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 10, 2020, 05:58:03 PM
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/gm-employees-jailed-racing-c8-corvettes-street/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on January 10, 2020, 06:10:07 PM
I wonder if cops look the other way when Ferraris fly around Maranello.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 10, 2020, 07:33:55 PM
Article says it's embarrassing for GM but I think it's more embarrassing for the cops for being such lame-o's.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on January 10, 2020, 10:01:23 PM
Quote from: Laconian on January 10, 2020, 06:10:07 PM
I wonder if cops look the other way when Ferraris fly around Maranello.

Yes. It is interesting with the Mille Miglia how the Italian Police shoe traffic away.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on January 11, 2020, 05:06:06 AM
This is good publicity if anything. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: veeman on January 11, 2020, 07:46:23 AM
[quote author=565 link=topic=34538.msg2452829#msg2452829 date=1575221316


Also something interesting, the 911 only makes up 11%! of Porsche sales.  The majority are Macans and Cayennes.  I see those things everywhere

https://www.motor1.com/news/300557/porsche-best-selling-models-2018/

It looks like in 2018 the Macan more than doubled 911 sales, and the Cayenne also doubled 911 sales.  Its kinda sad when the iconic sports car of a sports car maker only amounts to about 10% of its sales.  Porsche is mainly an SUV maker now.  I guess now I know why Lambo made an SUV and Ferrari wants to make one.  SUVs are where the sales are.

[/quote]

I remember reading that Porsche would have gone under if they hadn't made the Cayenne and the Cayenne not only saved the company but made them very profitable.  All the Porsche purists who were crying when the Cayenne came out didn't realize the Cayenne allowed Porsche to still build their 911s for the few who can afford a limited use sports car costing 100 grand.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 11, 2020, 10:26:09 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30471824/c8-corvette-z06-winter-testing-spied/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on January 11, 2020, 11:53:10 AM
The purists are aging out and are being replaced by poseurs that only care about the badge and the status.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2020, 01:29:09 PM
Quote from: Laconian on January 11, 2020, 11:53:10 AM
The purists are aging out and are being replaced by poseurs that only care about the badge and the status.

There are a lot of old poseurs out there as well.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on January 11, 2020, 01:36:21 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2020, 01:29:09 PM
There are a lot of old poseurs out there as well.

Of course, but the replacement rate of "enthusiasts" is lower, and the neo-Gilded age has plumped up demand for status junkies at the very high end of the market (esp. places like China). So of course Ferrari's going to make a truck; nobody who matters really gives a shit anymore.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on January 11, 2020, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 10, 2020, 05:58:03 PM
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/gm-employees-jailed-racing-c8-corvettes-street/

A friend of mine that works for GM knows one of the guys who got fired...they both have CTS V's and cruise together as part of a group on weekends.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on January 11, 2020, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 11, 2020, 10:26:09 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30471824/c8-corvette-z06-winter-testing-spied/

Looks like an El Camino.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 16, 2020, 07:16:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0XUkui3LM8
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on January 21, 2020, 01:33:55 PM
C&D insists/confirms the C8 Z06 will be powered by a 5.5L flat-plane DOHC V8 rated at 8,600 RPM and 600 hp: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30607956/c8-corvette-testing-video/

One should hope it has some measure of VVL, to avoid driveability/performance issues of other similar, recent motors (*cough* GT350 *cough*). We'll see!

Either way, if GM sticks with this, they could really make some headway with reputation. N/A are simply better across the board, if they can be designed to perform.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on January 21, 2020, 01:57:52 PM
That's ridiculous. It'll sound amazing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on January 21, 2020, 02:17:09 PM
The base 'Vette does 0-60 in 2.8. What the hell will this do, with that high revving 600hp engine? And what do Z06's start at, $85-90,000? Incredible.  :rockon:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 21, 2020, 03:26:37 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on January 21, 2020, 02:17:09 PM
The base 'Vette does 0-60 in 2.8. What the hell will this do, with that high revving 600hp engine? And what do Z06's start at, $85-90,000? Incredible.  :rockon:
Yup! Can't wait for the Comparos!!!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on January 27, 2020, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on January 21, 2020, 02:17:09 PM
The base 'Vette does 0-60 in 2.8. What the hell will this do, with that high revving 600hp engine? And what do Z06's start at, $85-90,000? Incredible.  :rockon:

Probably 2.7 unless they have VVL, which to my knowledge GM does not have in their bag of tricks.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on January 27, 2020, 06:46:03 PM
GM has VVL on some of its 4 cylinder engines.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 27, 2020, 07:39:09 PM
My balls have VVL.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on January 27, 2020, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on January 27, 2020, 06:46:03 PM
GM has VVL on some of its 4 cylinder engines.

Which ones?

EDIT:  Found it.  One version of the Ecotec has (had, it's no longer in production) a stepped, 2-stage variable lift on the intake vales, sort of like OG V-TEC.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on January 27, 2020, 10:44:18 PM
GM's (Chevy) been killing hi-po engine development since the introduction of the LT1 in 1992, so I'm guessing this will work itself out. Exactly how? I'm not sure. VVL has been a known thing for a long time, but GM didn't have any need for it for the majority of its business (i.e., pooprod power). If GM doesn't go with VVL, sky high CR, low weight and DCT helps tons. My bet is GM follows in the footsteps of the R8 or F458 that have a VTEC (two step cam) like process for a simplistic VVL.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on January 28, 2020, 04:52:07 AM
Neither the R8 (it's Lambo mechanical twin) nor the F458 use any VVL.  Audi's AVS VVL system is ill suited to higher revving platforms and only used in their 4 and 6 cylinder engines.  Both had continuous VVT.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on January 28, 2020, 03:23:26 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on January 27, 2020, 06:46:03 PM
GM has VVL on some of its 4 cylinder engines.
VVL pretty redundant on a boosted engine.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: ChrisV on January 29, 2020, 07:34:35 AM
I'm really wanting a convertible version, in this blue, with the optional body colored parts. But I HATE every wheel that's factory available. These BBS's are what I'd like, but so far only HRE will make you a set of the P101s in this style.

(https://rbp.f0e.net/attachments/corvetteconvertible2020_01.jpg)

I'd still prefer an Aston over one as a dream ride, but for modern performance cars, this is rapidly rising to the top of my wish list.

Even the coupe would be fine...

(https://rbp.f0e.net/attachments/corvette202004.jpg)

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on January 29, 2020, 08:43:06 AM
Wow.  That looks great.  I might skip on the red stripe though.

The only thing I can't stand about them is the spoiler options.  They're both bad.  The tall one is just the lesser of two evils.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 29, 2020, 09:45:48 AM
I agree about the factory wheel selections! They're all terrible! Those HRE's make the car look 100 times better!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 29, 2020, 10:04:24 AM
Those HREs plus a duckbill spoiler instead of the factory wing could look dope
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: ChrisV on January 29, 2020, 10:40:04 AM
Yeah, wheels make a lot of difference. Stock wheels and some dirt make the same color car look like a cheap wannabe kit car:

(https://preview.redd.it/cih27cu5xjd41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=acc4e0bbc4ed4c67df9997fa15fba2949789fa0a)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on January 29, 2020, 10:44:02 AM
:cry:  Those are so bad.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 29, 2020, 11:15:48 AM
lol those look like crappy plastidip curb-rashed wheels. eww
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on January 29, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
Those are factory wheels...???
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 29, 2020, 11:33:57 AM
Those wheels are ugly but it is still a nice looking car.

For me I have always pretty much ignored the wheels when buying a car because I almost always end up buying aftermarket wheels.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: ChrisV on January 29, 2020, 11:36:45 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 29, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
Those are factory wheels...???

Yup. Look at the Jay Leno video on pg 38 here. That convertible has them on it. The options are the silver 5 spokes, the same 5 spokes (pictured there) in black with silver lips, and some funky lacy spoke wheels that look like utter garbage, too.

(http://smokedtires.com/forums/C8/C8_13_08142019.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 29, 2020, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: ChrisV on January 29, 2020, 11:36:45 AM
Yup. Look at the Jay Leno video on pg 38 here. That convertible has them on it. The options are the silver 5 spokes, the same 5 spokes (pictured there) in black with silver lips, and some funky lacy spoke wheels that look like utter garbage, too.

(http://smokedtires.com/forums/C8/C8_13_08142019.jpg)




Those Trident Spoke Wheels (Pewder Open Spoke also) actually cost a couple grand to upgrade to! I'd just go aftermarket!

Quote from: giant_mtb on January 29, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
Those are factory wheels...???
GM dropped the ball BIG TIME in the wheel department!!!

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on January 30, 2020, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 28, 2020, 03:23:26 PM
VVL pretty redundant on a boosted engine.

Probably, or close to it, if one factors in CVTs and 8+ speed transmissions.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: afty on February 04, 2020, 07:09:13 PM
https://jalopnik.com/a-le-mans-winner-ripped-the-c8-corvette-around-the-nurb-1841459406
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 22, 2020, 10:48:17 AM
I finally saw a C8 in person last night. The Z51 spoiler (White spoiler on white car) is not as bad as it looks in pictures. Still not a fan but I don't dislike it as much as I did in the beginning! 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on February 22, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on February 22, 2020, 10:48:17 AM
I finally saw a C8 in person last night. The Z51 spoiler (White spoiler on white car) is not as bad as it looks in pictures. Still not a fan but I don't dislike it as much as I did in the beginning! 

Where did you see it?  Does that mean they are now on the street? 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 22, 2020, 02:46:58 PM
Quote from: 565 on February 22, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
Where did you see it?  Does that mean they are now on the street? 
No customer cars have been delivered yet. I saw it at the Cleveland Auto Show!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 25, 2020, 03:08:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcki33z9HPQ
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on March 01, 2020, 02:17:28 PM
That light blue color looks pretty good.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 01, 2020, 03:44:37 PM
Yeah I really like it. It's called Rapid Blue.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on March 01, 2020, 04:00:13 PM
Looks kind of like a slightly lighter shade from Ford's Grabber Blue.  Not a fan (also don't like Grabber Blue).  Bright, non-metallics like that just look kind of cheap to me.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on March 01, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
It looks almost exactly like Porsche Miami Blue, which is stunning.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 01, 2020, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on March 01, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
It looks almost exactly like Porsche Miami Blue, which is stunning.

Almost BMW Laguna Seca Blue.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Galaxy on March 01, 2020, 08:30:07 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 01, 2020, 06:12:56 PM
Almost BMW Laguna Seca Blue.

I wonder if they are the same or slight modifications. Automotive OEM paints are all BASF, DuPont, maybe one or two other companies.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 01, 2020, 08:49:47 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on March 01, 2020, 08:30:07 PM
I wonder if they are the same or slight modifications. Automotive OEM paints are all BASF, DuPont, maybe one or two other companies.

Oh, I'm pretty sure they'd all look significantly different if painted side by side.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on March 01, 2020, 10:02:12 PM
Tons of IP protections around paint colors.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 06, 2020, 08:46:18 PM
Some guys have their cars as of today!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 06, 2020, 08:58:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYJX1c9vRY
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on March 09, 2020, 06:03:59 PM
This somehow is looking worse and worse to me... The design appears to have a lot of very unflattering camera angles
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on March 09, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
The front is too high. Looks like a speedboat. Slap big neon Sea Doo stickers on the side.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 09, 2020, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on March 06, 2020, 08:58:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYJX1c9vRY

I'm trying not to let my hatred of Corvette Youtubers bleed through to the hatred of actual Corvettes.

I don't know if I can.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 09, 2020, 11:08:52 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 09, 2020, 09:31:35 PM
I'm trying not to let my hatred of Corvette Youtubers bleed through to the hatred of actual Corvettes.

I don't know if I can.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: mzziaz on March 11, 2020, 08:26:40 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 09, 2020, 09:31:35 PM
I'm trying not to let my hatred of Corvette Youtubers bleed through to the hatred of actual Corvettes.

I don't know if I can.

Oh, yes. That is a tough one.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on March 11, 2020, 08:59:44 AM
That dude has posted four videos in four days about his Corvette. Holy Christ.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 11, 2020, 09:13:47 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 11, 2020, 08:59:44 AM
That dude has posted four videos in four days about his Corvette. Holy Christ.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ptR4dR0tg

This is a good friend if mine. I swear in person he's likable, interesting, even humble. Somehow, he does these videos and channels the spirit of the Corvette Bro.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on March 11, 2020, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 11, 2020, 08:59:44 AM
That dude has posted four videos in four days about his Corvette. Holy Christ.

And he's raking in the 'Tube $$$. I'm sure it's how he affords his cars.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on March 11, 2020, 10:42:18 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on March 11, 2020, 10:17:12 AM
And he's raking in the 'Tube $$$. I'm sure it's how he affords his cars.

Most likely.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on March 11, 2020, 10:43:20 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 11, 2020, 09:13:47 AM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ptR4dR0tg

This is a good friend if mine. I swear in person he's likable, interesting, even humble. Somehow, he does these videos and channels the spirit of the Corvette Bro.

You either have to be very genuine or an insufferable prick to get big on YouTube. There's hardly an inbetwixt.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 11, 2020, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 11, 2020, 09:13:47 AM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ptR4dR0tg

This is a good friend if mine. I swear in person he's likable, interesting, even humble. Somehow, he does these videos and channels the spirit of the Corvette Bro.
I follow him too.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 11, 2020, 07:17:16 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 11, 2020, 08:59:44 AM
That dude has posted four videos in four days about his Corvette. Holy Christ.
Thats why he has such a big fleet of cars! IIRC he brings in 25-30K a month from Youtube!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 11, 2020, 07:55:47 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on March 11, 2020, 07:15:35 PM
I follow him too.

He'll be happy to hear that!

Honestly, he's a stand up guy; I just can't stand his videos (he used to do disc golf drone stuff, which I liked better)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 13, 2020, 08:45:20 AM
Pretty good video showing Museum Delivery of the C8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJrfZGgNjRg
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 17, 2020, 11:36:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZT3hyhao-o
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 21, 2020, 11:42:43 AM
My boy got his a few days ago!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IwT5BF3c1E
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 21, 2020, 12:26:53 PM
Looks good in white!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on April 20, 2020, 01:32:56 PM
I've not warmed up to the side and rear end shaping of the C8.  When sitting next to a Civic coupe at a light I saw some similarities in the slab side, the boxy upper rear overhang, which makes it seem boxy.

(https://di-uploads-pod1.s3.amazonaws.com/fisherhonda/uploads/2014/06/IMG_0221.jpg)
(http://bestride.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IMG_1194.jpg)
(http://assets.superstreetonline.com/uploads/sites/5/2020/01/2020-C8-Corvette-Passenger-Side-Rear-View.jpg?width=&height=)

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on April 20, 2020, 01:51:06 PM
Some markup to show it.  I know having a trunk is a big selling point on the C8, but it ruins the rear end for me. 

(https://static.tcimg.net/vehicles/primary/890fb7542b95340d/2020-McLaren-720S-silver-full_color-driver_side_front_quarter.png)

I know it's much more expensive and less practical but it looks so much better in the rear than this

(https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/img/nw8FPTsm8fSNgTs7L2ahuuOiL3c=/2019/07/19/c8d4fb60-adfa-4f60-ad48-e15dc411f5be/2020-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-15.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 20, 2020, 02:21:57 PM
Quote from: Rich on April 20, 2020, 01:32:56 PM
I've not warmed up to the side and rear end shaping of the C8.  When sitting next to a Civic coupe at a light I saw some similarities in the slab side, the boxy upper rear overhang, which makes it seem boxy.

(https://di-uploads-pod1.s3.amazonaws.com/fisherhonda/uploads/2014/06/IMG_0221.jpg)
(http://bestride.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IMG_1194.jpg)
(http://assets.superstreetonline.com/uploads/sites/5/2020/01/2020-C8-Corvette-Passenger-Side-Rear-View.jpg?width=&height=)


I see more Camaro than Civic.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on May 10, 2020, 01:47:05 PM
https://www.hagerty.com/media/people/a-corvette-race-against-time/

Nice story, beautiful car. The dark red is fantastic.

(https://media.hagerty.com/media/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/a-Larry-2-Vettes-2-Thumbs-Up-2048x1365.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on May 10, 2020, 01:58:41 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 10, 2020, 01:47:05 PM
https://www.hagerty.com/media/people/a-corvette-race-against-time/

Nice story, beautiful car. The dark red is fantastic.

(https://media.hagerty.com/media/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/a-Larry-2-Vettes-2-Thumbs-Up-2048x1365.jpg)
I hope he gets to enjoy it for a long time.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on May 11, 2020, 05:11:26 PM
Man, I think my brother's C7 Zo6 is the nicest Corvette I've seen.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on May 11, 2020, 06:02:35 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on May 11, 2020, 05:11:26 PM
Man, I think my brother's C7 Zo6 is the nicest Corvette I've seen.
nice!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on May 11, 2020, 10:45:17 PM
That's a nice specimen.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on May 12, 2020, 07:59:21 AM
I still haven't seen a C8 in person, but damn it looks oddly proportioned in so many camera angles.  Hope it's better in real life.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Xer0 on May 12, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
Quote from: r0tor on May 12, 2020, 07:59:21 AM
I still haven't seen a C8 in person, but damn it looks oddly proportioned in so many camera angles.  Hope it's better in real life.

The Z06 renderings that I've seen look a lot better with all the aero on, but generally I agree. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on May 12, 2020, 08:30:50 AM
Quote from: Rich on April 20, 2020, 01:51:06 PM
Some markup to show it.  I know having a trunk is a big selling point on the C8, but it ruins the rear end for me. 

(https://static.tcimg.net/vehicles/primary/890fb7542b95340d/2020-McLaren-720S-silver-full_color-driver_side_front_quarter.png)

I know it's much more expensive and less practical but it looks so much better in the rear than this

(https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/img/nw8FPTsm8fSNgTs7L2ahuuOiL3c=/2019/07/19/c8d4fb60-adfa-4f60-ad48-e15dc411f5be/2020-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-15.jpg)

IIRC, the McClaren has the same amount of rear overhang as the C8.  It's just the way the rear fenders curve that, from that angle, makes the rear overhang look shorter.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on May 12, 2020, 10:32:13 AM
The 720 is probably my least favorite McLaren design... 650, 570, and P1 all look better.  720 looks awkward comparatively.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on May 12, 2020, 11:35:58 AM
Quote from: r0tor on May 12, 2020, 07:59:21 AM
I still haven't seen a C8 in person, but damn it looks oddly proportioned in so many camera angles.  Hope it's better in real life.
Trust me! It looks better in person! I can only vouch for Arctic White tho!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: 565 on May 14, 2020, 01:59:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kzfBW1a9g

Kinda what was expected, the GT500 doesn't pass the C8 until the C8 reaches about 122mph or so, which happens to be where they trap in the 1/4 mile.  So basically its a tie by the 1/4 mile.  C8 stomps to the GT500 to 60,  GT500 pulls hard from a roll.

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on May 14, 2020, 03:22:29 PM
This is consistent with many many tests - the C8 is a 11.2-11.3 car and the GT500 is a 11.3-11.4 car.

As with presumably many other tests, here, they walked the GT500 off the line at ~1,700 RPM, so given its lack of VVL + 7,500 rpm red line, 4,200 lb weight and tall gearing, it's not going to launch well.

Much like the Hellcat cars, if a factory vehicle needs drag slicks and/or a prepped track to hit the advertised performance, does that performance really exist? IMO, no, unless it's a specific track only car like the not-street-legal NHRA Stock Eliminator COPO Camaro, Mustang Cobra Jet and Challenger Drag Pack.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Raza on May 15, 2020, 09:39:20 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on May 14, 2020, 03:22:29 PM

Much like the Hellcat cars, if a factory vehicle needs drag slicks and/or a prepped track to hit the advertised performance, does that performance really exist? IMO, no, unless it's a specific track only car like the not-street-legal NHRA Stock Eliminator COPO Camaro, Mustang Cobra Jet and Challenger Drag Pack.

That's fair.  If you can't reach the quoted performance in a road legal setting, than those shouldn't be the quoted performance numbers.  It's different if you're marketing a car that isn't street legal or if you advertise both the street numbers and the race setup numbers.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on May 15, 2020, 10:17:47 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 11, 2020, 10:43:20 AM
You either have to be very genuine or an insufferable prick to get big on YouTube. There's hardly an inbetwixt.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=r9VbdXiagb0&fbclid=IwAR1lS27NB6j6s66OMIb91aYaY7CGl7f0IvSYrqtYOiBBnHbw8BNYrk9qHMk

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on May 15, 2020, 10:27:58 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 15, 2020, 10:17:47 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=r9VbdXiagb0&fbclid=IwAR1lS27NB6j6s66OMIb91aYaY7CGl7f0IvSYrqtYOiBBnHbw8BNYrk9qHMk



Yeahhhh not even gonna give that a chance based on the title alone. A quick glance at the comments indicates it's a 20 minute video...only to reveal he got his C8 vinyl wrapped or something.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on May 15, 2020, 10:31:00 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on May 15, 2020, 10:27:58 AM
Yeahhhh not even gonna give that a chance based on the title alone. A quick glance at the comments indicates it's a 20 minute video...only to reveal he got his C8 vinyl wrapped or something.

Yep.

Its a Capt. America theme.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: giant_mtb on May 15, 2020, 10:37:07 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 15, 2020, 10:31:00 AM
Yep.

Its a Capt. America theme.

WOW. SHOCKER. CRAZIEST C8 MOD EVER.

I don't know what I hate more...the hustle of the dumbass YouTubers or the fact that their even-more-dumbass fans eat it up.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: RomanChariot on May 15, 2020, 10:38:58 AM
I listened to his intro where he basically stated that he was going to drag it out as long as possible without saying anything important so I skipped to about 80% of the way into the video and watched the last of the time lapse. The wrap is cool but that guy enjoys listening to himself talk too much.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on May 15, 2020, 10:45:39 AM
The funny thing is, its so much an act.

He's not like that at all.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on May 18, 2020, 11:21:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71ILQvrXz_Y
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 08, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iF_MnFdXdQ
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 08, 2020, 05:14:26 PM
First the vette faithful doesn't know where to find the engine... Now they will have to concede to driving a Prius
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 04, 2020, 04:47:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soB-xrUSQEU
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 12, 2020, 05:28:34 PM
LOL I do like the motto on the back but that's silliness. (Vette wrap video)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on December 14, 2020, 06:03:54 AM
I had my Z3 out and about yesterday because of the nice weather. Came across a C8 Corvette (army green type color). It looked really good driving around, very aggressive.

Still like the front engine design more (C7 particularly), but I don't dislike the C8.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on December 14, 2020, 06:22:34 AM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on December 14, 2020, 06:03:54 AM
I had my Z3 out and about yesterday because of the nice weather. Came across a C8 Corvette (army green type color). It looked really good driving around, very aggressive.

Still like the front engine design more (C7 particularly), but I don't dislike the C8.

Yeah that's how I feel too. I want to love the C8, but there's some design cues that put me off.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 12, 2021, 12:01:35 PM
This is test I've been waiting on!
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2020/2020-chevrolet-corvette-1lt-first-test-review/?wc_mid=4035:20604&wc_rid=4035:713184&_wcsid=182D9307EC5193F02E39377C1D9156F2422E71B852346714
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 12, 2021, 12:15:59 PM
Crazy amount of performance for 60k. Why hasn't dazzleman bought one yet??  :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on January 12, 2021, 12:20:49 PM
Cliff notes: If you are already at $60k for an awesome sportscar (at a screaming deal, btw), another $5k is a no-brainer for how much better a sportscar it makes.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on January 12, 2021, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 12, 2021, 12:15:59 PM
Crazy amount of performance for 60k. Why hasn't dazzleman bought one yet??  :lol:

Wait, what the fuck? Why did I think the C8 was $80k+? Maybe my brain just can't reconcile "midengine supercar" and "stripper spec E-class MSRP".
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on January 12, 2021, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Laconian on January 12, 2021, 12:46:01 PM
Wait, what the fuck? Why did I think the C8 was $80k+? Maybe my brain just can't reconcile "midengine supercar" and "stripper spec E-class MSRP".

It can very easily hit 80k if you add any options.  I think the Z51 package is like 12k.  Don't think I've seen one tested that was under 75k.

IIRC, big price bump coming for the base car.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: RomanChariot on January 12, 2021, 02:27:06 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 12, 2021, 01:27:00 PM
It can very easily hit 80k if you add any options.  I think the Z51 package is like 12k.  Don't think I've seen one tested that was under 75k.

IIRC, big price bump coming for the base car.

This is a quote from the article on Z51 pricing.

QuoteTo truly unlock the C8's performance potential, the Z51 package is a must-have option and a relative bargain at just $5,000 (and about 75 percent of 2020 Corvette customers have done just that). The same goes for the magnetic dampers ($1,895 over and above Z51), which really help keep things planted. But if your C8 is destined to be a casual weekend cruiser that occasionally wanders off into twisty canyon roads, then you can do no better for less than $60,000. And, as of this writing, the low base price will carry over to model-year 2021 C8s (though the Z51 option price has jumped by $995). Better snag one soon before Chevy changes its mind.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on January 12, 2021, 04:30:31 PM
you're not gonna realize the difference on the street except for a stiffer ride.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on January 12, 2021, 05:36:58 PM
Quote from: Rich on January 12, 2021, 04:30:31 PM
you're not gonna realize the difference on the street except for a stiffer ride.

E diff might be noticeable.  I can definitely feel the difference between Torsen and regular slippy diff.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 12, 2021, 08:13:48 PM
Quote from: Rich on January 12, 2021, 04:30:31 PM
you're not gonna realize the difference on the street except for a stiffer ride.
This is how I feel! My C7 is a non Z51 car and I'd rather spend that 5K (6K for 2021) for the Z51 and 2K for Mag Ride on the 2LT package. The good thing for 2021 is you don't to buy the Z51 Package to be able to spec Mag Ride! I won't be buying new so if I come across a Z51 at a good price I will buy it but it's not a necessity.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 13, 2021, 06:42:10 AM
Seems like you get 80-90% of the performance at the base level?

Sure that 10% matters for some but I'm pretty sure I'd be content with ANY brand new Corvette. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on January 13, 2021, 07:31:17 AM
I would say mag-ride is probably the must-have option for a street-driven car.  Supple in normal driving, firm when you want to play.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: RomanChariot on January 13, 2021, 08:31:45 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 12, 2021, 08:13:48 PM
This is how I feel! My C7 is a non Z51 car and I'd rather spend that 5K (6K for 2021) for the Z51 and 2K for Mag Ride on the 2LT package. The good thing for 2021 is you don't to buy the Z51 Package to be able to spec Mag Ride! I won't be buying new so if I come across a Z51 at a good price I will buy it but it's not a necessity.

The good thing for you is that 75% of buyers are opting for the Z51 package so most used cars you look at will have it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 13, 2021, 05:37:48 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 13, 2021, 06:42:10 AM
Seems like you get 80-90% of the performance at the base level?

Sure that 10% matters for some but I'm pretty sure I'd be content with ANY brand new Corvette. :thumbsup:
Yup! And the base model has a higher top speed. The other up side is it comes with all season tires.

Quote from: MX793 on January 13, 2021, 07:31:17 AM
I would say mag-ride is probably the must-have option for a street-driven car.  Supple in normal driving, firm when you want to play.
Everyone that's had it swears by it!

Quote from: RomanChariot on January 13, 2021, 08:31:45 AM
The good thing for you is that 75% of buyers are opting for the Z51 package so most used cars you look at will have it.
This is true. I'm wondering what the rate will be from 2021 on since you don't have to get the Z51 Package to get Mag Ride. Lots of guys on the Vette forums say that's the only reason they went Z51.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 20, 2021, 07:50:17 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35269354/lottery-winner-corvette-prize-cant-redeem/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 20, 2021, 10:06:41 PM
I don't feel too bad for him :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 20, 2021, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 20, 2021, 10:06:41 PM
I don't feel too bad for him :lol:
:lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on January 21, 2021, 06:11:47 AM
Dude needs a little patience. He could still go in and order the exact Corvette he wants. Getting lawyers involved was dumb.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 21, 2021, 09:11:10 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on January 21, 2021, 06:11:47 AM
Dude needs a little patience. He could still go in and order the exact Corvette he wants. Getting lawyers involved was dumb.
Yup! That's what I'd do!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on February 20, 2021, 08:33:14 AM
While I'm a Foose fan, he's off the mark here.

https://www.motor1.com/news/489429/chip-foose-redesigned-c8-corvette/

Love the comment "There's not enough 'Corvette' mojo in the new Corvette". So he sketched a modernized 1999 Camaro.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on February 20, 2021, 09:26:54 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on February 20, 2021, 08:33:14 AM
While I'm a Foose fan, he's off the mark here.

https://www.motor1.com/news/489429/chip-foose-redesigned-c8-corvette/

Love the comment "There's not enough 'Corvette' mojo in the new Corvette". So he sketched a modernized 1999 Camaro.  :lol:
He's got a point, the C8 doesn't have much in the way of "corvette design," but he needs to keep working at it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on February 20, 2021, 03:31:59 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 20, 2021, 09:26:54 AM
He's got a point, the C8 doesn't have much in the way of "corvette design," but he needs to keep working at it.

I disagree. I think it looks exactly like a mid-engine Corvette should. If there was no badging, people who know Vette design language should have no trouble.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 20, 2021, 03:43:16 PM
A black C6 Z06 or Grand Sport is still my favorite modern Corvette design. C8 is cool for the chassis but I'm a bit lukewarm on the styling.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 22, 2021, 06:52:12 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 20, 2021, 03:43:16 PM
A black C6 Z06 or Grand Sport is still my favorite modern Corvette design. C8 is cool for the chassis but I'm a bit lukewarm on the styling.
Those are still sexy!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on February 23, 2021, 04:29:41 AM
C7 Zo6 is peak Corvette for me. This is my brother's.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 23, 2021, 07:55:04 AM
I like the front end of the C7 but the rear end of the C6
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 02, 2021, 07:06:35 PM
Red C8 parks at (one of) the Waffle house(s) on the way to work at 8:15am-ish. Very handsome!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on March 02, 2021, 08:05:22 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on March 02, 2021, 07:06:35 PM
Red C8 parks at (one of) the Waffle house(s) on the way to work at 8:15am-ish. Very handsome!

There's at least a bronze one, a silver one and a blue one around here.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 12, 2021, 07:13:12 PM
https://youtu.be/59McJS-7vSg
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 12, 2021, 08:08:15 PM
The performance Porsche gets from it's cars is massively impressive
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 13, 2021, 06:58:50 AM
https://youtu.be/OG9GGu1jIQU
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 13, 2021, 07:25:55 AM
The official test stats say the C8 should walk both these cars as if they were standing still. Alas, with all these actual real-world tests; here and otherwise; the C8 never comes close to performing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 13, 2021, 10:08:49 AM
The replacement for displacement is obviously sauerkraut
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 13, 2021, 11:15:04 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 13, 2021, 07:25:55 AM
The official test stats say the C8 should walk both these cars as if they were standing still. Alas, with all these actual real-world tests; here and otherwise; the C8 never comes close to performing.
I wouldn't say that! The C8 was the cheapest car in both test and had LESS HP than the BMW. It looks like it's punching waaaay above its weight class to me!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on July 13, 2021, 11:19:56 AM
Relatively speaking they were all the same price.  The BMW ran away from it and there is no way a 4.0L NA boxster should match the C8 times.  The C8 is just not the performance bargain the C7 was - at least in current trims
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on July 13, 2021, 11:31:47 AM
Plus it doesn't look nearly as good.

Much nicer interior and a trick roof, though.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 13, 2021, 01:00:53 PM
Perhaps the Vette's lackluster performance has something to do with the fact that it has 5 overdrive gears (4th gear is .88:1) whereas the BMW has 2?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 13, 2021, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: MX793 on July 13, 2021, 01:00:53 PM
Perhaps the Vette's lackluster performance has something to do with the fact that it has 5 overdrive gears (4th gear is .88:1) whereas the BMW has 2?

It's overall drive ratio (transmission + differential) that matters. The C8 may have lots of overdrive gears but it has decently steep gearing overall, plus legit DCT launch control, rear/mid engine traction, weighs ~100 lbs less and is much smaller. The new M3/M4 is now a slushie AT so no legit launch control, and when in launch control starts in 2nd gear. (no joke). Owing to its turbo nature the M3/M4 has a meatier power band though, and when under way, the M3/M4 has bit steeper gearing. Max speed in mph in each gear - I'm guessing in those two vids max speed was 120-130 mph, which would be 5th gear for each car:

C8 (Z51):
1st: 35
2nd: 58
3rd: 83
4th: 116
5th: 157
6th: 200

G80 M3:
1st: N/A
2nd: 57
3rd: 81
4th: 103
5th: 133
6th: 175

So, it's not gearing, or if it is, it's because there's too much (i.e., C8 can't get good traction, but that doesn't seem likely). Either way, I've yet to see the C8 perform remotely close to published specification (0-60 in ~2.8s and 1/4 mile in 11.2 @ 122 mph). Such specs would utterly destroy any Cayman or new M3/M4.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 13, 2021, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 13, 2021, 01:37:54 PM
It's overall drive ratio (transmission + differential) that matters. The C8 may have lots of overdrive gears but it has decently steep gearing overall, plus legit DCT launch control, rear/mid engine traction, weighs ~100 lbs less and is much smaller. The new M3/M4 is now a slushie AT so no legit launch control, and when in launch control starts in 2nd gear. (no joke). Owing to its turbo nature the M3/M4 has a meatier power band though, and when under way, the M3/M4 has bit steeper gearing. Max speed in mph in each gear - I'm guessing in those two vids max speed was 120-130 mph, which would be 5th gear for each car:

C8 (Z51):
1st: 35
2nd: 58
3rd: 83
4th: 116
5th: 157
6th: 200

G80 M3:
1st: N/A
2nd: 57
3rd: 81
4th: 103
5th: 133
6th: 175

So, it's not gearing, or if it is, it's because there's too much (i.e., C8 can't get good traction, but that doesn't seem likely). Either way, I've yet to see the C8 perform remotely close to published specification (0-60 in ~2.8s and 1/4 mile in 11.2 @ 122 mph). Such specs would utterly destroy any Cayman or new M3/M4.

The M4 walked the C8 from a roll, so no traction issues.  It's pretty clear that the M4's gearing from 3rd gear and beyond is what allows it to pull the Vette at speed.  Similarly telling is that while the Vette is quicker to 60 (combination better launch and similar gearing for the first 3 gears), the M4 starts reeling it in by the end of the 1/4, including trapping 3 mph faster.  It's clear that the BMW is pulling on the Vette at speeds >60 mph, despite the Vette having a significant peak P/W advantage and a decently fat torque curve.  Meaning that the BMW is putting significantly more power to the road, average, when accelerating at higher speeds. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 13, 2021, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: MX793 on July 13, 2021, 01:55:05 PM
The M4 walked the C8 from a roll, so no traction issues.  It's pretty clear that the M4's gearing from 3rd gear and beyond is what allows it to pull the Vette at speed.  Similarly telling is that while the Vette is quicker to 60 (combination better launch and similar gearing for the first 3 gears), the M4 starts reeling it in by the end of the 1/4, including trapping 3 mph faster.  It's clear that the BMW is pulling on the Vette at speeds >60 mph, despite the Vette having a significant peak P/W advantage and a decently fat torque curve.  Meaning that the BMW is putting significantly more power to the road, average, when accelerating at higher speeds.

Correct - not explained by over drive gearing or any other readily available stat, vs. the M4 or Cayman. Something else is going on here, and many other similar comparos whereby the C8 underperforms its stats.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 13, 2021, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 13, 2021, 02:17:04 PM
Correct - not explained by over drive gearing or any other readily available stat, vs. the M4 or Cayman. Something else is going on here, and many other similar comparos whereby the C8 underperforms its stats.

No, the rolling drag race results against the M4 are pretty clearly explained by gearing, particularly 4th gear and beyond.

EDIT:  Just ran some quick and dirty math in excel.  If the Vette had the same overall gearing (top speed @ redline) as the Bimmer in 4th and 5th gears, it would generate ~3.5% more average power on a 58-133 mph pull.

EDIT 2:  Looking at a dyno plot for the M4, the power curve is much flatter within the RPM ranges used than the Corvette's.  Over that 60-133 mph range, the Vette operates between ~4500 and 6500 RPM for 3rd gear, ~4700 to 6500 in 4th, and then ~4700 to 5500 in 5th.  The BMW runs from 5000-7000 in 3rd, 5700-7000 in 4th, ~5500-7000 in 5th.

The BMW's power curve is flat (and at peak) from 6000-7000 and at 5000 it's making ~84% of peak.  From 5500 RPM, the BMW is making at least 90% of peak power.  So outside of the first 6 mph of the pull, the BMW is averaging over 90% peak power.

The Vette makes ~75% of peak power at 4500 RPM where it starts the pull from, and from 4700 RPM up (where it starts each successive gear) it's making about 80%.  For the Vette to maintain the same 90%+ peak power in the pull, the gearing would need to be such that it never dropped below 5400 RPM.  And to start at the same 84% peak, 3rd would need to be 10% shorter so that the Vette started at 5000 RPM.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 13, 2021, 08:58:16 PM
Stats = aforementioned test stats, not car tech stats. By those C8 test stats, both the M4 and Cayman GTS get complete walked in any aspect, esp. the Cayman. Jesus, C&D shows the C8 time of 30-50 under 2 seconds. See the myriad C8 vs. 911 real-world test by many of the same channels - despite virtually identically test stats the 911 walks the C8 in the real world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVNWWBnQek

C8 wringers? I dunno. I don't intent to be too critical. All told, the C7->C8 leap is something no other automaker on the planet could pull off, and same with some of the rumored hi-po versions (i.e., ~625 hp N/A V8).



Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on July 13, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
The poor Supra is just hunched over in the corner thinking "hey guys what about me?"
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on July 14, 2021, 05:27:06 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 13, 2021, 08:58:16 PM
Stats = aforementioned test stats, not car tech stats. By those C8 test stats, both the M4 and Cayman GTS get complete walked in any aspect, esp. the Cayman. Jesus, C&D shows the C8 time of 30-50 under 2 seconds. See the myriad C8 vs. 911 real-world test by many of the same channels - despite virtually identically test stats the 911 walks the C8 in the real world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVNWWBnQek

C8 wringers? I dunno. I don't intent to be too critical. All told, the C7->C8 leap is something no other automaker on the planet could pull off, and same with some of the rumored hi-po versions (i.e., ~625 hp N/A V8).





And what do "test stats" say about the Vette's acceleration performance at super-legal (>70 mph) speeds as compared to M4s, Coxsters, 911s, etc?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 20, 2021, 05:10:36 PM
https://youtu.be/iipgIt5lXAY
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 27, 2021, 06:05:43 PM
Naturally aspirated 5.5 litre flat plane V8, 600+ hp, 8500-9000 rpm! Ohhhhh myyyyyy....

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37755007/2023-chevrolet-corvette-z06-official-photo-released/


(https://i.postimg.cc/jL4rVqk7/2023-chevrolet-corvette-z06-001-1632751895.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jL4rVqk7)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on September 27, 2021, 06:08:40 PM
Like the coffin spoke wheels, and the spoiler.  :wub:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 27, 2021, 07:37:32 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on September 27, 2021, 06:08:40 PM
Like the coffin spoke wheels, and the spoiler.  :wub:
Me too! The subtle styling upgrades make s big difference!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 20, 2021, 11:04:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I2EiacT0qQ
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 21, 2021, 12:16:06 AM
If that's the real engine/exhaust sound, that is beyond legit. At 600+ hp N/A, no one is doing V8s like that right now, and even in recent times, no one really did it. The F458 peaked at well less than 600 hp, and the Ford Voodoo barely beat the 15+ year-old LS7. This sounds like it will rival the N/A V10s of Lamborghini and Audi. Will be very interesting.

Two things I REALLY don't - squar-cle steering wheel and exhaust tips. Bugs me to no end. I have a feeling that on the Z06 the latter will be different, but still.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 21, 2021, 09:51:35 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 21, 2021, 12:16:06 AM
If that's the real engine/exhaust sound, that is beyond legit. At 600+ hp N/A, no one is doing V8s like that right now, and even in recent times, no one really did it. The F458 peaked at well less than 600 hp, and the Ford Voodoo barely beat the 15+ year-old LS7. This sounds like it will rival the N/A V10s of Lamborghini and Audi. Will be very interesting.

Two things I REALLY don't - squar-cle steering wheel and exhaust tips. Bugs me to no end. I have a feeling that on the Z06 the latter will be different, but still.
Yeah the Z06 will get round center mounted exhaust! I like the steering wheel in a weird kinda way! LOL!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on October 26, 2021, 02:11:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3NTAImpNBQ&ab_channel=Chevrolet
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on October 26, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
sweet ginger galvanized Jesus.  :wub:

That candy orange one with the blacked out C pillar.  :vapors:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 26, 2021, 03:00:57 PM
WTF... Everyone knows there is no replacement for displacement.  Why the small girly engine  :popcorn:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on October 26, 2021, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 26, 2021, 03:00:57 PM
WTF... Everyone knows there is no replacement for displacement.  Why the small girly engine  :popcorn:

Sez the guy with the puny Wanker engine.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 26, 2021, 05:01:48 PM
This is the sort of engine the C8 always should have had.  The low-revving pushrod SBC just seems out of character in such an exotic body.

That said, without VVL, this thing is going to have the same "problem" as the GT350.  Big power on paper, but peaky. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 26, 2021, 05:38:25 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 26, 2021, 05:01:48 PM
This is the sort of engine the C8 always should have had.  The low-revving pushrod SBC just seems out of character in such an exotic body.

That said, without VVL, this thing is going to have the same "problem" as the GT350.  Big power on paper, but peaky. 
Yes, it brings it up to a whole new level.  A true exotic.  Every exotic needs to scream rather than rumble.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 26, 2021, 05:42:01 PM
The GT350 couldn't maximize Voodoo performance because it was heavy with tall, widely spaced gears all with only a ~10% power bump over the Coyote.

The C8 Z06 with 670 hp and 8sp DSG is following in the footsteps of high-revving N/A vehicles such as the 911 GT3, R8 V10, F458 (i.e., lighter weight, more power and many-speed DSG such that there are no material powerband flat spots that need to be mitigated via VVL - i.e., acceleration is huge anywhere in the tach).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: afty on October 26, 2021, 06:23:00 PM
This thing looks like a beast. A high revving, naturally aspirated, flat-plane crank V8 is just what you want in these days of turbos and EVs.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on October 26, 2021, 07:18:35 PM
Good article...How Chevrolet Created the Most Powerful Naturally Aspirated V-8 Ever For the New Z06 (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/enthusiasts/how-chevrolet-created-the-most-powerful-naturally-aspirated-v-8-ever-for-the-new-z06/ar-AAPYDSW?ocid=winp1taskbar)

(https://i.postimg.cc/NMWjc4QR/AAPYPtE.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 26, 2021, 08:06:01 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 26, 2021, 05:42:01 PM
The GT350 couldn't maximize Voodoo performance because it was heavy with tall, widely spaced gears all with only a ~10% power bump over the Coyote.



Wow, the only remark you were remotely correct about was that the GT350 was a bit portly.

GT350 did not have widely spaced gears.

1st to 2nd: 1.457:1
2nd to 3rd: 1.385:1
3rd to 4th:  1.298:1
4th to 5th:  1.240:1

For comparison, a Honda S2K (another screamer)

1st to 2nd: 1.532:1
2nd to 3rd: 1.381:1
3rd to 4th:  1.276:1
4th to 5th:  1.232:1

Shorter 1-2 jump and the remainder are pretty much the same.  Unless you want to argue the S2k had "widely spaced gear ratios".

526 hp is a shade more than a 10% bump over the 435 that the Coyote made at the time the Voodoo came out.  And despite having shorter overall gearing and 90 more hp, the 435 hp Mustang GT would walk a GT350 in a top gear roll-on from 40 mph up to well into the triple digits.  Because a screamer FPC motor with no VVL will be peaky.

QuoteThe C8 Z06 with 670 hp and 8sp DSG is following in the footsteps of high-revving N/A vehicles such as the 911 GT3, R8 V10, F458 (i.e., lighter weight, more power and many-speed DSG such that there are no material powerband flat spots that need to be mitigated via VVL - i.e., acceleration is huge anywhere in the tach).

The regular C8 has a curb weight of nearly 3600 lbs with the go-fast package.  It's no feather weight (only 150 lbs lighter than a GT350).  Don't see the Z06 being appreciably lighter.

Gearboxes don't eliminate dips and deadspots in the powerband.  Assuming GM selects ratios correctly, they can make it so the car stays in the power once it clears first gear, but we'll see how that works out.  The C8 gets walked by heavier and/or less powerful Euro cars like the M4 at speed because despite having an 8 spd DSG, 5 of those ratios are overdrives and widely spaced.  Even with a very short final drive, it hits terminal velocity at the top of 6th gear, leaving 2 gears on the table.  A 911 GT3RS, in contrast, hits its terminal velocity in top gear.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 26, 2021, 08:14:41 PM
They just released a 1000 hp big block so when is someone gonna swap that in?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 26, 2021, 08:26:28 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 26, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
sweet ginger galvanized Jesus.  :wub:
:hesaid:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 26, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 26, 2021, 08:06:01 PM


Wow, the only remark you were remotely correct about was that the GT350 was a bit portly.

GT350 did not have widely spaced gears.

1st to 2nd: 1.457:1
2nd to 3rd: 1.385:1
3rd to 4th:  1.298:1
4th to 5th:  1.240:1

For comparison, a Honda S2K (another screamer)

1st to 2nd: 1.532:1
2nd to 3rd: 1.381:1
3rd to 4th:  1.276:1
4th to 5th:  1.232:1

Shorter 1-2 jump and the remainder are pretty much the same.  Unless you want to argue the S2k had "widely spaced gear ratios".

526 hp is a shade more than a 10% bump over the 435 that the Coyote made at the time the Voodoo came out.  And despite having shorter overall gearing and 90 more hp, the 435 hp Mustang GT would walk a GT350 in a top gear roll-on from 40 mph up to well into the triple digits.  Because a screamer FPC motor with no VVL will be peaky.

The regular C8 has a curb weight of nearly 3600 lbs with the go-fast package.  It's no feather weight (only 150 lbs lighter than a GT350).  Don't see the Z06 being appreciably lighter.

Gearboxes don't eliminate dips and deadspots in the powerband.  Assuming GM selects ratios correctly, they can make it so the car stays in the power once it clears first gear, but we'll see how that works out.  The C8 gets walked by heavier and/or less powerful Euro cars like the M4 at speed because despite having an 8 spd DSG, 5 of those ratios are overdrives and widely spaced.  Even with a very short final drive, it hits terminal velocity at the top of 6th gear, leaving 2 gears on the table.  A 911 GT3RS, in contrast, hits its terminal velocity in top gear.

It's not about comparisons but results (here, acceleration). The GT350 underperformed per its (peak) power/weight ratio per the facts I listed; relatively heavy car (resistance to acceleration), wide gear spacing (less average power = less acceleration per gear) and M/T (no legit launch control and big RPM drops between shifts which exacerbates the first two issues). IMO the Voodoo was an exercise rooted mostly in theatrics and GT350 acceleration suffered a bit for it. Of course, address these issues and it's no longer a $60k car...

There are other details to consider. The Voodoo dates back ~30 years and is more or less stuck with the bore, stroke and fundamental head design of a past era; notably the Voodoo has but a 3.70" bore (and 3.66" stroke). The LT6 has a 4.1" bore and 3.15" stroke which speaks to likely (much) larger valves and as a result my bet is a meatier power band. The LT6 also has a 12.5:1 CR, which will also help, which is a byproduct from the LT6 being a modern, clean sheet design.

The C8 Z06 may suffer the from the same maladies (first two - heavy, wide gear spacing) that limited GT350 acceleration expectations but indications per the other vehicles listed are that it probably will not even come close to it.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 26, 2021, 09:11:29 PM
Also of note, the LT6 uses cam fingers followers rather than traditional lifters, which affords shorter cam duration (for low RPM performance) and greater cam lift, less friction and lighter valve train weight (for high RPM performance). News to me, and likely also explains why there is no VVL.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 26, 2021, 09:13:56 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 26, 2021, 08:53:41 PM
It's not about comparisons but results (here, acceleration). The GT350 underperformed per its (peak) power/weight ratio per the facts I listed; relatively heavy car (resistance to acceleration), wide gear spacing (less average power = less acceleration per gear) and M/T (no legit launch control and big RPM drops between shifts which exacerbates the first two issues). IMO the Voodoo was an exercise rooted mostly in theatrics and GT350 acceleration suffered a bit for it. Of course, address these issues and it's no longer a $60k car...

There are other details to consider. The Voodoo dates back ~30 years and is more or less stuck with the bore, stroke and fundamental head design of a past era; notably the Voodoo has but a 3.70" bore (and 3.66" stroke). The LT6 has a 4.1" bore and 3.15" stroke which speaks to likely (much) larger valves and as a result my bet is a meatier power band. The LT6 also has a 12.5:1 CR, which will also help, which is a byproduct from the LT6 being a modern, clean sheet design.

The C8 Z06 may suffer the from the same maladies (first two - heavy, wide gear spacing) that limited GT350 acceleration expectations but indications per the other vehicles listed are that it probably will not even come close to it.

Big valves tend to hurt low RPM power and breathing.  Honda uses VTEC on the VFR800 sportbike to actually deactivate half the valves at lower RPMs because they get better VE and power production at lower RPMs that way.  At higher RPM they re-engage the valves for better breathing up top.  The result is a fatter overall power band.  Likewise, any motor with VVL will reduce lift, and effective valve area, at lower RPM to foster better VE and power production.  Fixed valve lift on a motor tuned to make peak power at high RPM is going to come at the expense of lower end power.

Short stroke and, presumably, long rods are essential for a FPC motor of this displacement not wanting to shake itself apart from the secondary vibration mode inherent to that configuration.  I'll put money on the LT6 being smoother than Voodoo in the NVH department.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 26, 2021, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 26, 2021, 09:11:29 PM
Also of note, the LT6 uses cam fingers followers rather than traditional lifters, which affords shorter cam duration (for low RPM performance) and greater cam lift, less friction and lighter valve train weight (for high RPM performance). News to me, and likely also explains why there is no VVL.

Voodoo also used cam finger followers.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 27, 2021, 12:37:32 AM
Quote from: MX793 on October 26, 2021, 09:13:56 PM
Big valves tend to hurt low RPM power and breathing.  Honda uses VTEC on the VFR800 sportbike to actually deactivate half the valves at lower RPMs because they get better VE and power production at lower RPMs that way.  At higher RPM they re-engage the valves for better breathing up top.  The result is a fatter overall power band.  Likewise, any motor with VVL will reduce lift, and effective valve area, at lower RPM to foster better VE and power production.  Fixed valve lift on a motor tuned to make peak power at high RPM is going to come at the expense of lower end power.

Short stroke and, presumably, long rods are essential for a FPC motor of this displacement not wanting to shake itself apart from the secondary vibration mode inherent to that configuration.  I'll put money on the LT6 being smoother than Voodoo in the NVH department.

By definition, for the most power at any given RPM one always wants as much flow as possible (so goes flow, so goes VE, and so goes power). However, in practical terms beyond valve size it's also about cam, intake/exhaust port and combustion chamber design to properly support flow at the various RPMs, and that is where all engines are limited for various reasons, and not all mitigations will work equally across all engines. Look to the LS7, probably the power band dyno chart king, and it had no VVT or VVL - just big valves, big cam, big ports and big CR - and had an epic power band to 7,000 RPM.

The dyno charts and road tests will be out soon enough - will the LT6 drive more like the 911 GT3 RS/Audi R8 V10 or the GT350?

Also, GM has already released LT6 specs, and indeed, LT6 (intake) valves are much larger:

LT6: 1.654"/1.378"
Voodoo: 1.504"/1.300"
Gen 3 Coyote: 1.484"/1.300"
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 27, 2021, 05:26:06 AM
With all these gear spacing problems, it sounds like the C8 needs a CVT.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 27, 2021, 05:32:23 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 27, 2021, 12:37:32 AM
By definition, for the most power at any given RPM one always wants as much flow as possible (so goes flow, so goes VE, and so goes power). However, in practical terms beyond valve size it's also about cam, intake/exhaust port and combustion chamber design to properly support flow at the various RPMs, and that is where all engines are limited for various reasons, and not all mitigations will work equally across all engines. Look to the LS7, probably the power band dyno chart king, and it had no VVT or VVL - just big valves, big cam, big ports and big CR - and had an epic power band to 7,000 RPM.

The dyno charts and road tests will be out soon enough - will the LT6 drive more like the 911 GT3 RS/Audi R8 V10 or the GT350?

Also, GM has already released LT6 specs, and indeed, LT6 (intake) valves are much larger:

LT6: 1.654"/1.378"
Voodoo: 1.504"/1.300"
Gen 3 Coyote: 1.484"/1.300"

LS7 revved to 7 grand, but output peaked at 6300.  It's sibling the LS3 peaked at 6500, also without VVT or other wizardry.  LS3's torque peaked a few hundred RPM earlier than LS7 as well.  So LS7's powerband wasn't any wider than other performance SBC variants of the time.  90% torque band for LS7 was from 3600-6200, or about 40% of usable RPM ("peaky" Voodoo's 90% torque band is also 40% of usable RPMs).  For comparison, a BMW S65 in the M3 of that time makes 90% torque from 3100 to 7900 RPM, or 61.5% of usable RPMs (and without VVL, so it is technically possible to do revs, and flat torque w/out VVL).

And with a specific output of only 72 hp/L, LS7 is not really in the same league as other motors we're talking about.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 27, 2021, 05:33:28 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 27, 2021, 05:26:06 AM
With all these gear spacing problems, it sounds like the C8 needs a CVT.

A transmission so capable it was banned by F1.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Payman on October 27, 2021, 05:49:57 AM
The Z06 looks so much better than the Stingray to me. Something about the designed bugged me, but seems to be fixed on the Z06.


(https://i.postimg.cc/xqCmRVdz/2023-z06-vs-stingray-side-1635265878.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xqCmRVdz)
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 27, 2021, 09:16:19 AM
Quote from: MX793 on October 27, 2021, 05:32:23 AM
LS7 revved to 7 grand, but output peaked at 6300.  It's sibling the LS3 peaked at 6500, also without VVT or other wizardry.  LS3's torque peaked a few hundred RPM earlier than LS7 as well.  So LS7's powerband wasn't any wider than other performance SBC variants of the time.  90% torque band for LS7 was from 3600-6200, or about 40% of usable RPM ("peaky" Voodoo's 90% torque band is also 40% of usable RPMs).  For comparison, a BMW S65 in the M3 of that time makes 90% torque from 3100 to 7900 RPM, or 61.5% of usable RPMs (and without VVL, so it is technically possible to do revs, and flat torque w/out VVL).

And with a specific output of only 72 hp/L, LS7 is not really in the same league as other motors we're talking about.

The LS7 is leagues beyond the LS3 - simply look at the area under the curves from 4000 - 6500 rpm. The LT1 hangs in there better but the LS7 walks after 5000 rpm:

(https://www.camaro6.com/forums/attachment.php?s=18dfd6c01038be60b710be35373cd3db&attachmentid=742544&d=1441639146)

Here's engine dyno comparison of the LS7 and Voodoo, and the differences are even more stark - the LS7 makes more power and torque virtually everywhere, especially 4000-6500 rpm, with an average of 40-50 hp:

(https://www.svtperformance.com/attachments/image-jpg1_4-jpg.644865/)

The LS7's advantage, beyond performance, was size, weight, simplicity and cost. To get a materially better, albeit not hugely so (~50-60 hp bump) performing N/A V8, one had to bump up ginormously $$$ to the AMG 6.2L or Ferrari 4.5L (with of course also a huge bump up in size, weight and complexity):

(https://www.streetmusclemag.com/image/2016/04/2016-04-05_01-04-50.jpg)

Even 15 years later, the LT2, Voodoo and 6.4L Hemi all fall short of the LS7, and TBH, the aforementioned AMG and Ferrari V8s are marginal in their advantages - so, really, it took the LT6 and 17 years to materially best the LS7. Not too shabby.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 27, 2021, 09:30:08 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 27, 2021, 09:16:19 AM
The LS7 is leagues beyond the LS3 - simply look at the area under the curves from 4000 - 6500 rpm. The LT1 hangs in there better but the LS7 walks after 5000 rpm:

(https://www.camaro6.com/forums/attachment.php?s=18dfd6c01038be60b710be35373cd3db&attachmentid=742544&d=1441639146)

Here's engine dyno comparison of the LS7 and Voodoo, and the differences are even more stark - the LS7 makes more power and torque virtually everywhere, especially 4000-6500 rpm, with an average of 40-50 hp:

(https://www.svtperformance.com/attachments/image-jpg1_4-jpg.644865/)

The LS7's advantage, beyond performance, was size, weight, simplicity and cost. To get a materially better, albeit not hugely so (~50-60 hp bump) performing N/A V8, one had to bump up ginormously $$$ to the AMG 6.2L or Ferrari 4.5L (with of course also a huge bump up in size, weight and complexity):

(https://www.streetmusclemag.com/image/2016/04/2016-04-05_01-04-50.jpg)

Even 15 years later, the LT2, Voodoo and 6.4L Hemi all fall short of the LS7, and TBH, the aforementioned AMG and Ferrari V8s are marginal in their advantages - so, really, it took the LT6 and 17 years to materially best the LS7. Not too shabby.

Breadth of powerband is the flatness of the curve against itself (e.g. % of usable revs the engine is making at least 90% peak torque), not the comparative area under curves of 2 different engines.  "Peakiness" is the relative lack thereof.  An engine can both be "peakier" than another and present far more area under the torque curve.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 27, 2021, 10:32:50 AM
I'll need popcorn for Cougs story when dyno plots are released for the LT6 since it has only 20ftlbs more torque than the voodoo but comes much later... Meaning it would also be inferior to the LS7
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 27, 2021, 12:43:16 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 27, 2021, 05:33:28 AM
A transmission so capable it was banned by F1.

As long as you don't let Jatco build it, sure.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SJ_GTI on October 27, 2021, 01:19:38 PM
Sounds impressive, but since I don't race for a living I'd rather have a pooprod and a manual.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 27, 2021, 01:43:29 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 27, 2021, 10:32:50 AM
I'll need popcorn for Cougs story when dyno plots are released for the LT6 since it has only 20ftlbs more torque than the voodoo but comes much later... Meaning it would also be inferior to the LS7

lol wut - 670 hp tells you the LT6 will be vastly superior to either the LS7 or Voodoo at anything you ask it to do.

Beyond that the MathSPIN is easy, actually: peak torque of 460 lb-ft at 6300 rpm and 420 lb-ft at 8400 rpm (peak power rpm). That is flatter than both the Voodoo and LS7 (that is, relatively speaking; between peak torque and peak power rpms).

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MX793 on October 27, 2021, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 27, 2021, 01:43:29 PM
lol wut - 670 hp tells you the LT6 will be vastly superior to either the LS7 or Voodoo at anything you ask it to do.

Beyond that the MathSPIN is easy, actually: peak torque of 460 lb-ft at 6300 rpm and 420 lb-ft at 8400 rpm (peak power rpm). That is flatter than both the Voodoo and LS7 (that is, relatively speaking; between peak torque and peak power rpms).



Slightly flatter than Voodoo between peaks.  Voodoo makes 90.4% peak torque at peak power RPM.  LT6 is 91.3%.  On Voodoo there's a bigger RPM spread between peak torque and peak power (2750 vs 2100).  But peak numbers don't tell the whole picture.  LT6 may be very flat leading up to peak torque.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 27, 2021, 02:30:57 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 27, 2021, 05:49:57 AM
The Z06 looks so much better than the Stingray to me. Something about the designed bugged me, but seems to be fixed on the Z06.


(https://i.postimg.cc/xqCmRVdz/2023-z06-vs-stingray-side-1635265878.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xqCmRVdz)

The smaller rear vents below the lights and center exhaust fix the rear for me!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 28, 2021, 11:01:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsCIDefL27o
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Morris Minor on November 01, 2021, 08:37:14 AM
Jason weighs in...

https://youtu.be/1q6p5vlAWEs
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 09, 2021, 04:20:39 PM
https://youtu.be/mRU3UDvhF0s
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 25, 2022, 02:36:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6IKAhdnmxM
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on April 25, 2022, 09:12:54 PM
Hmmm. AWD too.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 31, 2022, 02:45:43 PM
GM is trying to cut the car flippers out the loop.......
https://youtu.be/E8jWrqOYESA
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on October 03, 2022, 11:58:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJP6oXfZkFo
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on October 03, 2022, 11:58:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAZNnMrWA1M
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on October 03, 2022, 03:56:33 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a41411338/2023-chevrolet-corvette-z06-by-the-numbers/

QuoteC/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 2.6 sec
100 mph: 5.9 sec
130 mph: 10.3 sec
1/4-Mile: 10.5 sec @ 131 mph
150 mph: 15.2 sec
170 mph: 24.9 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.2 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 3.1 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 2.0 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 2.2 sec
Top Speed (mfr's claim): 189 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 139 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 274 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 1.16 g
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 03, 2022, 03:57:36 PM
Quote from: Rich on October 03, 2022, 03:56:33 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a41411338/2023-chevrolet-corvette-z06-by-the-numbers/

Nice!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 03, 2022, 04:45:29 PM
So it's basically a space ship.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 03, 2022, 07:52:39 PM
Sounds like they are finally getting the performance out of the chassis.

...the flying mustache wing though - yikes
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 03, 2022, 08:26:46 PM
Another fantastic (Canadian!) channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn6gmBQUTdg

Gonna go so far to say that this is the most thrilling vehicle ever produced by Detroit, esp. that it gets the entire package 100% correct (unlike the GT500, Ford GT, Hellcat cars).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 04, 2022, 07:08:53 AM
Quote from: r0tor on October 03, 2022, 07:52:39 PM
Sounds like they are finally getting the performance out of the chassis.

...the flying mustache wing though - yikes
I would go with a Base Z06. That would have more than enough performance for me!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on October 04, 2022, 08:07:53 AM
Yeah, the rear wing and front aero all looks so silly.  The base one looks so much better.  Still kind of an odd looking car, but this is probably the most important performance car from the last 20 years?  Essentially a 458 Speciale for substantially less?

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 04, 2022, 08:17:06 AM
The price savings is reflected in the weight unfortunately.  It has performance, but I would never put it in the category of some of the elite supercars that weigh almost 1,000 lbs less.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 04, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: r0tor on October 04, 2022, 08:17:06 AM
The price savings is reflected in the weight unfortunately.  It has performance, but I would never put it in the category of some of the elite supercars that weigh almost 1,000 lbs less.

The often-mentioned-in-the-same-breath F458 (Speciale) weighed 3,075 lb and that car had a lot less power, smaller engine, one fewer gear, and was physically smaller, plus of course absent daily-driving creature comforts. The vanilla F458, and the its modern incarnation (F8 Tributo) and others of line (Huracan SVO) tip the scales at ~3,300-3,400 lbs vs. 3,666 lbs for the C8 Z06. The Corvette has always tended somewhat toward GT, even the C8.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 04, 2022, 01:22:22 PM
Z06 awesomeness is to be expected. The switch to mid engine was for the Z06/ZR1 level. Base C8 is kinda cool but the Z06 is what we've been waiting for since the switch.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: MrH on October 04, 2022, 01:28:02 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 04, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
The often-mentioned-in-the-same-breath F458 (Speciale) weighed 3,075 lb and that car had a lot less power, smaller engine, one fewer gear, and was physically smaller, plus of course absent daily-driving creature comforts. The vanilla F458, and the its modern incarnation (F8 Tributo) and others of line (Huracan SVO) tip the scales at ~3,300-3,400 lbs vs. 3,666 lbs for the C8 Z06. The Corvette has always tended somewhat toward GT, even the C8.

You can fit 2 sets of golf clubs in the corvette.  I don't think I can physically fit in a Huracan convertible :lol:  It's a pretty massive difference between the two.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 04, 2022, 02:13:29 PM
It looks a lot better with center exhaust. I don't care for the base C8 exhaust location and square tips.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 04, 2022, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 04, 2022, 02:13:29 PM
It looks a lot better with center exhaust. I don't care for the base C8 exhaust location and square tips.
This!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 04, 2022, 04:51:17 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 04, 2022, 01:28:02 PM
You can fit 2 sets of golf clubs in the corvette.  I don't think I can physically fit in a Huracan convertible :lol:  It's a pretty massive difference between the two.

Why is that a good thing?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: SVT_Power on October 04, 2022, 05:38:26 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 04, 2022, 04:51:17 PM
Why is that a good thing?

Having some kind of minimally practical storage in a car? That's a bad thing?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on October 04, 2022, 05:56:24 PM
Quote from: SVT_Power on October 04, 2022, 05:38:26 PM
Having some kind of minimally practical storage in a car? That's a bad thing?

Will the new Porsche GT3RS's lack of a trunk make it any less desirable? 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on October 06, 2022, 08:00:40 AM
Quote from: MrH on October 04, 2022, 01:28:02 PM
You can fit 2 sets of golf clubs in the corvette.  I don't think I can physically fit in a Huracan convertible :lol:  It's a pretty massive difference between the two.

How GM pulled this off is a head scratcher. The General is woefully inconsistent in its endeavors but this is historic.

Sadly, this is where Camaro $$$ went no doubt, though the coin could have gone to worse places but still (LT6 Z28 >>> C8 Z06 for me).
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: veeman on October 07, 2022, 08:55:00 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 06, 2022, 08:00:40 AM
How GM pulled this off is a head scratcher. The General is woefully inconsistent in its endeavors but this is historic.

Sadly, this is where Camaro $$$ went no doubt, though the coin could have gone to worse places but still (LT6 Z28 >>> C8 Z06 for me).

I would have loved to daily drive the latest generation manual stick shift V6 Camaro. It's a great deal priced just under 30 thousand dollars.  I've rented automatic V6 Camaros in the past.  2 things.  Can't see out of it (front or rear) to be able to park without anxiety.  Should come with an around car visual camera.  That itself was a deal breaker.  Also the rear seats are too small even for kids. 
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 07, 2022, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: veeman on October 07, 2022, 08:55:00 AM
I would have loved to daily drive the latest generation manual stick shift V6 Camaro. It's a great deal priced just under 30 thousand dollars.  I've rented automatic V6 Camaros in the past.  2 things.  Can't see out of it (front or rear) to be able to park without anxiety.  Should come with an around car visual camera.  That itself was a deal breaker.  Also the rear seats are too small even for kids. 

A lot of Chevys come with the 360 parking cameras now. I'm surprised the Camaro doesn't
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 07, 2022, 09:35:50 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on October 06, 2022, 08:00:40 AM
How GM pulled this off is a head scratcher. The General is woefully inconsistent in its endeavors but this is historic.

Sadly, this is where Camaro $$$ went no doubt, though the coin could have gone to worse places but still (LT6 Z28 >>> C8 Z06 for me).

GM employs some very smart and capable people, and then generally hamstrings them with layers of bureaucracy and ridiculous performance metrics. If GM stays out of its own way, it can do some stuff.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 10, 2022, 02:35:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7YfAlDYMVE
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 11, 2022, 08:10:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqLpfkVm1d4
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 24, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q--HZ_iM5KA
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 01, 2022, 02:02:48 PM
https://youtu.be/aXdwnA7RyZ0
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on December 01, 2022, 03:06:19 PM
haha. Monster. I think the Z06 looks best in black. Be sure that the markups and secondary market is going to be insane (i.e., MSRP will be a pipe dream).

Not sure the point of drag racing a super bike though.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Rich on December 01, 2022, 05:00:43 PM
I love cammisa

I figured the wheelie would have slowed the bike down, but apparently, the rider knew what they were doing.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on December 04, 2022, 09:26:03 AM
Fun video... Select a Porsche that has turbos and it stomps the vette.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on December 05, 2022, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: r0tor on December 04, 2022, 09:26:03 AM
Fun video... Select a Porsche that has turbos and it stomps the vette.

lol no. Only one ICE turbo Porsche made today will do that. No Cayman. No Macan. No Cayenne. No Panamera. And no to all 911s (no Carrera/T/S/GTS/Turbo) except for the $200k+ 911 Turbo S.

Of course it must be said vs. the 911 Turbo S what really/mostly counts is the Z06 has the far superior motor - more power, simpler, and probably smaller/lighter all said.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 18, 2022, 04:22:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIzi90-MG9c
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on December 18, 2022, 09:34:48 PM
Great vid, love that channel.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 24, 2022, 06:19:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBagFtYZa0U&list=LL&index=1
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 24, 2022, 06:39:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eagCjOmgtP0
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on December 27, 2022, 11:03:36 AM
The C8 is a nice design, but it really does look bloated when parked next to real supercars
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on December 27, 2022, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 24, 2022, 06:19:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBagFtYZa0U&list=LL&index=1

Another fantastic vid.

Dat Ford GT is a looker kinda too bad about the V6.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 10, 2023, 08:06:08 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42444136/2024-corvette-e-ray-release-date/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 17, 2023, 01:26:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4t2OyeEds&t=181
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2023, 01:56:21 PM
Hints of the ZR1 to come, I assume.

I don't know that I'd want to buy a C8 until I see all of the variants come out.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on January 17, 2023, 02:38:38 PM
Hmmm. Not sure who would buy this. Still uses gasoline but same base MSRP and (acceleration) performance as the Z06. I thought it was going to be ALL electric. Seems like a waste of effort TBH.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on January 17, 2023, 03:18:58 PM
Sort of missing the actual advantage of this unless you are really hell bent on driving a convertible vette in the snow?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 17, 2023, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on January 17, 2023, 02:38:38 PM
Hmmm. Not sure who would buy this. Still uses gasoline but same base MSRP and (acceleration) performance as the Z06. I thought it was going to be ALL electric. Seems like a waste of effort TBH.
Yeah! The Base Price is suprising. I was figuring it would be starting around 85-90 Grand.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2023, 03:51:56 PM
Ditch the fancy brakes and the base price could come down a lot. I wonder why they made the carbon ceramic standard?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 17, 2023, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2023, 03:51:56 PM
Ditch the fancy brakes and the base price could come down a lot. I wonder why they made the carbon ceramic standard?
Exactly! Especially with All Season Tires standard!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 28, 2023, 06:47:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voEB7B1NbiY
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 29, 2023, 07:16:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ag9b8BWzI
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 07, 2023, 11:14:02 AM
5th fastest time ever.........
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a42387101/2023-chevrolet-corvette-z06-lightning-lap-2023/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 07, 2023, 03:13:49 PM
The Z06's 2:38.6 time is the fifth fastest in Lightning Lap history, and it's also the best lap time for a car with a naturally aspirated engine. Everything quicker is considerably faster down the straights and costs more than twice as much. Please don't think the engine is a weak point—far from it. Out on the street, this Z06 is all motor, screaming at 8500 rpm, startling pedestrians with its wail.

:rockon:

As much as the Z06 story is one of power and chassis equilibrium, it is also one of temperature. Run the LT6 hard for 10 laps, and the oil temp is barely fazed. During the development of the LT6, the engine team found hot spots in the main bearings that it attributed to cavitation near redline when the oil thinned out at higher temperatures. To combat that, the Z06's nose has a number of heat exchangers that keep oil temps below 200 degrees. Those coolers are what other cars on the track see in their rearview, but the Corvette Z06 never lingers there long.

Nice to see they fixed any heat issues from the C7!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 16, 2023, 08:40:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n1ih21fYqA
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on February 18, 2023, 04:51:09 PM
Classic case of even if you are in a really fast car there will always be someone faster
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 23, 2023, 05:26:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNR0TdnbW8
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 28, 2023, 06:11:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNkM-z3cPW8
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 09, 2023, 02:50:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEBxx8Dbzdk
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 23, 2023, 05:29:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQlOBwaOTvI
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 07, 2023, 11:04:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crTlPO6tHyI
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: r0tor on April 07, 2023, 04:32:35 PM
I saw recently the Z06 take down a Lucid in the U-Drag...

Predictably the EV couldn't stop, couldn't turn, and only seemed to get slower times in later runs... But yea, it can go like hell for a few seconds in a straight line -yippee-
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 08, 2023, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: r0tor on April 07, 2023, 04:32:35 PM
I saw recently the Z06 take down a Lucid in the U-Drag...

Predictably the EV couldn't stop, couldn't turn, and only seemed to get slower times in later runs... But yea, it can go like hell for a few seconds in a straight line -yippee-
I just watched! LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCDwIRCXdz4
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 16, 2023, 05:36:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krbZP-AnsD8
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Laconian on April 16, 2023, 06:16:13 PM
253 mile range for a full tank in the Z06?! What about range anxiety?

The second run on the Z06 was very impressive.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 16, 2023, 06:21:29 PM
Quote from: Laconian on April 16, 2023, 06:16:13 PM
253 mile range for a full tank in the Z06?! What about range anxiety?

That's about what TUNDRA gets. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 25, 2023, 03:50:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTDAG6KXLio
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on May 19, 2023, 01:07:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCQlLa36-0c&t=619
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on May 26, 2023, 08:06:09 AM
Finally a non Z07 review!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O01z8yNEjGg
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on May 26, 2023, 09:12:18 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C7 on May 26, 2023, 08:06:09 AMFinally a non Z07 review!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O01z8yNEjGg

Next level, both the review and the Z06. I would mos def pass on the Z07 package.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on May 27, 2023, 12:06:02 PM
I need to build a second garage so I can get one someday.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on May 28, 2023, 10:25:09 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on May 26, 2023, 09:12:18 PMNext level, both the review and the Z06. I would mos def pass on the Z07 package.
Me too! I don't even have the Z51 Package on my C7!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 13, 2023, 10:55:02 PM
I think I need to get one of these things.

Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 15, 2023, 11:05:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiU7qgoWyLA
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 05, 2023, 01:20:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCVbW4FEzbg
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 05, 2023, 05:19:56 PM
The Shelby sounds better. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 05, 2023, 05:53:41 PM
Haha, not even close, let alone fair. Dat LT6. The C8 Z06 rivals the GT3 RS for the best performance vehicle ever built.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: FoMoJo on July 05, 2023, 06:16:54 PM
The LT6 is an impressive engine.  About time.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 06, 2023, 01:36:08 PM
Z06/911 GT3 comparo at C&D: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a44302932/2023-chevrolet-corvette-z06-2022-porsche-911-gt3-compared/
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Submariner on July 07, 2023, 09:06:34 AM
The LT6 isn't a pooprod?!?!?!?
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: GoCougs on July 07, 2023, 10:16:15 AM
Quote from: Submariner on July 07, 2023, 09:06:34 AMThe LT6 isn't a pooprod?!?!?!?

Nope, and GM killed it. The LT6 is unmatched in the world. That GM green lit the project is just as amazing and the actual motor itself as the LT6, unlike the ubiquitous pooprod LT engines, will only be used in the Corvette.
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 07, 2023, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 06, 2023, 01:36:08 PMZ06/911 GT3 comparo at C&D: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a44302932/2023-chevrolet-corvette-z06-2022-porsche-911-gt3-compared/
As usual The Vette outperforms the 911 but the Porsche gets the win! LOL!!
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 19, 2024, 09:38:15 AM
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 03, 2024, 11:47:35 AM
Title: Re: The Official C8 Corvette Thread...
Post by: afty on March 03, 2024, 02:36:59 PM
Lightning lap E-Ray: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a46594704/2024-chevrolet-corvette-e-ray-lightning-lap-2024/