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Title: Car theft rings
Post by: Laconian on September 06, 2023, 03:55:08 PM
A hair-raising article!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/auto-theft-canada-1.6953242
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: veeman on September 06, 2023, 09:59:06 PM
My cousin in Toronto had his Mercedes SUV stolen from his driveway a year or two ago. He was up late at night working on his computer when he received a signal that someone was on his driveway.  He saw on his computer via a videocam feed that the lights on his car were on.  He called the police and didn't confront the thieve(s).  In < 5 minutes his car was gone. When police arrived they told him his car was unlikely to be found and was probably going to be sold on the black market overseas.   
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: Rich on September 07, 2023, 05:10:45 PM
These guys must be badass freight forwarders
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: Laconian on September 07, 2023, 05:13:44 PM
The key fob MITM attack is freaky as heck. If I lived in eastern Canada and parked in my driveway I would put my keyfobs in a Faraday cage ASAP.
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 07, 2023, 05:19:54 PM
Quote from: Laconian on September 07, 2023, 05:13:44 PMThe key fob MITM attack is freaky as heck. If I lived in eastern Canada and parked in my driveway I would put my keyfobs in a Faraday cage ASAP.

You can get nice little faraday pouches for phones for <$20.
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 08, 2023, 07:16:02 AM
Quote from: Rich on September 07, 2023, 05:10:45 PMThese guys must be badass freight forwarders

I don't know how any container with a car in it isn't just flagged. Obviously they probably fake the packing list but I thought at least a fraction of all containers were x-rayed. Maybe not in Canada?
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: MrH on September 08, 2023, 07:59:26 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 08, 2023, 07:16:02 AMI don't know how any container with a car in it isn't just flagged. Obviously they probably fake the packing list but I thought at least a fraction of all containers were x-rayed. Maybe not in Canada?

If I remember correctly, it's a tiny, tiny fraction.
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: r0tor on September 08, 2023, 10:20:08 AM
The CAN bus attack is the worst.  There is literally nothing you can do except have your car locked in a garage.  Basically any car with a front radar sensor is vulnerable and the hack takes maybe 2 minutes at most. 
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: FoMoJo on September 08, 2023, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 08, 2023, 07:16:02 AMI don't know how any container with a car in it isn't just flagged. Obviously they probably fake the packing list but I thought at least a fraction of all containers were x-rayed. Maybe not in Canada?
The focus is on incoming containers rather than outgoing containers.
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: Morris Minor on September 08, 2023, 03:29:55 PM
Lax enforcement ("We are all to blame" [wrings hands]) and lazy manufacturers are the perfect storm.
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: Laconian on September 08, 2023, 05:46:29 PM
NHTSA needs to get in the infosec game and mandate the use of security best practices. The agency has been painfully slow to respond over the past several years to big changes and problems in the industry.
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 08, 2023, 06:00:54 PM
Maybe the NHTSA, DOT, EPA, FMCSA, FAA, FCC, FTC, ATF, and Elon Musk can have a lightsaber battle against the car thieves. Yes, that will fix it.
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: Rich on September 08, 2023, 07:24:22 PM
Seems like capitalism would take care of it. If people are worried about a car getting stolen they'd want one with features to prevent it. I'm shocked an automaker hasn't capitalized on it
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 08, 2023, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: Rich on September 08, 2023, 07:24:22 PMSeems like capitalism would take care of it. If people are worried about a car getting stolen they'd want one with features to prevent it. I'm shocked an automaker hasn't capitalized on it

My El Camino has so many anti theft devices nowadays. Manual transmission, carburetor, manual door locks and ignition. No cats to steal either.
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 08, 2023, 08:21:14 PM
Nobody can steal TUNDRA because I will shoot them, then go to jail for murder and won't have to worry about paying bills anymore.
Title: Re: Car theft rings
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 11, 2023, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 08, 2023, 08:14:57 PMMy El Camino has so many anti theft devices nowadays. Manual transmission, carburetor, manual door locks and ignition. No cats to steal either.
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